BEC has consistently lost top players over the last few years. she is prob the last of the original players to move. parent very involved in NJ stallions.great kid!
BEC parent group was dysfunctional. Hence why their players constantly left and coaches were replaced and now are totally defunct.As for the PDA C team, lost their best striker after her being there for 2 months. Chose to go back to her town team (says a lot). And their best defender joined the PDA South team. They now don't score goals and the defender held them together at the back. Should be an interesting season for the PDA Kool Aid drinkers.
I suppose you are talking about the Blues when you say C. You are wrong about a couple of things. They are not A/B etc, they are separate teams. You also are wrong about "their best striker". If you ever saw the Blues play you would immediately realize that they had no scoring option up top and that was their biggest problem. So, Dad or Mom, if you took your daughter back to her town team good luck there.
It sounds like a parent or two have it in for the Blues. I wonder why?
Their best striker played for them last Fall. Big, quick, strong. And she went back to FC Premier in Westfield.
Somebody has a ton of old info about the Blues. Why is that?Why do they keep mentiniong the Blues? hmmm...
Dr detective it does not take a brain surgeon to figure out it is the forwards parent.
if you think YOUR parent group is not dysfunctional then you are delusional. LOL
My daughter plays for the Blues, and I will be clear, I have no idea who this so called star forward is. I don't remember seeing one. Blues are a good team, looking to get better. The girls and parents all seem to get along, I have not seen a single incident to prove otherwise.
I have seen them play and they seemed to be ok to solid all around. Nothing special. Maybe a good defender and some decent foot skills. Just a team to play on as all of these are fairly equal.
Let's go Wildcats!!!!!!!
Half of Blues roster is new... so who knows. I know 2 other solid players who are new, plus the BEC ODP National player, you never know.
Yes, Blues parents are not on here because just anyone has that information.
Dont worry about PDA Blues, all is just fine. Some good left, some good coming aboard. No one believes we are a Nationally ranked team, we know who we are.
That's good.. PDA B or C teams should know what they are..and what PDA means for them!PayDemanded Amount
PDA-Players Developed Already
Actually all the PDA Girls teams should REALLY know who they are.......they provide the cashflow to the boys teams which are FREE. PDA says thank you girls.
Wildcats are on the move!!! Watch out. Here we come!!!!!
Move out of nj. Thanks
Let's go Wildcats ! Wildcats are on the move !!! Watch out. Here we come!!!Intelligent comments are always welcome ?You've got to be kidding me.What parent would write this ?Even the 15-16 year olds on the Wildcats team would be ashamed to post something so adolescent.What are you trying to prove, Wildcats ? And to whom ?For now, just be quiet, practice hard and wait for your games to start. Prove it on the field.
Are wildcats playing anywhere noteworthy this fall.
Sting will dominate the Wildcats, the Crew and PDA Magic and remanin the # 1 team in the shore area
Sting? Do they have enough players? I do know their coach is still making the phone calls and looking for players. Why so confident? Your coach isn't. PDA Magic? Never even played a game. What makes you think they are any good?
A coach with a team of 15 would naturally look to bring on a few players for the following reasons.. Money in his pocket.. Injuries.. Competition writin team.. Overall squad depthNone of these things mean he is not confident with the 15 he does have. Not sure what the case is with njsa.What do we know about their coach ?
Many of the girls from mf ecnl are from the shore area. I would think they would have Something to say to the 112 blogger. Is njsa really in mfs league.I do agree they Should remain better than wildcats for sure.
if you are not sure about NJSA then how do you know they have 15 players? Looks like the coach is on this site.
NJSA is notorious for reaching out to players (with this coach). He is very honest in his approach and what he would expect out of a player. He will let you know what he can do for you in getting you into college. Will spend an hour on the phone with you if you like, and will walk you through the strengths and weaknesses of the team to make sure it would be a fit. Not bad.
You can go to Disney and not play soccer you know.
so true but this child thought they were playing soccer at Disney.
Nice fields at disney. But does a coach, any coach, need to spend that much parent money for no better competition than u can get more regionally? Maybe coach attendance is so much better there.
Are there college coaches there? Yes. Will they be at your site, or at your field? It is VERY expensive to go, flights are a joke and hotels are the least expensive item. Food, entertainment, VERY crowed this time of year. Most students go to college within 2 hours of where they live. Disney is a waste of money. For that matter, so is this ridiculous PDA tournament in Florida. WASTE of money. PDA is doing this to market their brand, simple as that! Newsflash to PDA, you go get the coaches to show up to your event and dont ask your players to do so.
Disney has VERY good competition. There are MANY college coaches in attendance every year, from all over the country. If your child is in a lower bracket, possibly not as many coaches at the games as at the higher bracket games, but still a great showing by the colleges. Yes it is expensive, but it is one of the best showcases around if your child wants to play in college. Granted, NOT the only place to be seen, but a great place to be seen if you want to pay.
To 742 ... What u wrote is correct. But the point I'm making is that the level of competition and the college coaches present is not far enough superior to what one can find within 6-8 hour drive of our area to warrant a coaches decision to drag 18 girls and a parent to an experience, that while an adventure and hopefully a good one, will improve the chances of being noticed that dramatically. If all parents were as we'll off as the top 20 pct. on each team, then no problem. But I think the reason coaches and clubs drag their teams there is more for the ego of the coach, the promotion of the club or team and to be used as leverage in recruiting. This is like a fisherman looking for worms turning over a whole acre of soil when a square foot would have done the trick. All this travel benefit the very few and not the many, while at the same time feeding a system that thrives on our aspirations for our girls. So we are dropping thousands of tourist dollars to airlines, hotels, restaurants and providing a living and free trips for mostly jackass coaches that we put our faith in .. That's right ... They expense all this to you. Don't get me wrong ... The kids love it. I enjoy and will probably do it again. You don't hold your daughter back from something the entire team is doing. Find a different team instead. But let's at least be honest about what actual benefit is being derived and by whom.
8:30 I couldn't agree with you more. I have done the Disney thing.....just not worth it. 700 per plane ticket, if you are lucky. Did I see college coaches, sure but they were few and far between. (I was there for the top bracket also). Teams, save your money you will need it for college. Some clubs mandate tournaments you have to go to and at first it sounds great but then you realize that they are making you go to promote themselves. Cost them ZERO.
dude if you're paying 700.00 per ticket to get there then you need to either get out of first class or drive. our tickets were 350.00 (still 100.00+ more than I have ever paid before).agree it is not worth it unless you can make a vacation out of it. the extra surcharge for hotel and having to PAY to watch your kid play is expensive. luckily we have family in the area and the rest of the family will just hang by the pool during the tournament. no cost there!
Dude, if you are paying 35o then you booked it a LOOOOONG time ago, or you are flying from NJ to Chicago to Atlanta to Orlando. Either way, at 350 plus luggage it just isnt worth it. Bringing your family? Costs just went through the roof. Exposure? Only to the sun.
Use it as vacation......
Vacation? Not if you are on a truly competitive team. No time to walk the parks, need to save energy. Should be in team meetings. Why are you going to this Disney Tournament, to be seen by college coaches right. Treat it like a business trip. Sorry..............NOT worth the money.
there is time for both. business and pleasure, but the soccer comes first. you're not gonna be in team meetings every hour you are not playing.use the pools.parks - that's another story - if you have the time and the $$, but up goes your cost dramatically.We didn't go to the parks and 90% of the team's time was spent with each other, even if not in a team meeting, but it was enjoying and relaxing.While you are there, make the best of it. And the last thing you want to do is take the enjoyment out of the trip - soccer or otherwise not forgetting you are there for one reason. You want a family vacation, plan a family vacation. Nonetheless, it is all too much, too expensive and imo, unnecessary as compared to the potential benefit derived.
1:16 BINGO just NOT worth it
Easy to get sucked in. And you find yourself traveling the country at the whims of a less than stellar coach who lines his pockets regardless of what is done for your daughter. Good for the wealthy and the top couple players. All else .. We are just along for the ride, but we do help make other people good money
dude, booked it last week. direct flight.
Dude = Liar
Very wrong to throw out the liar accusation. You don't know what he paid. Could be that he couldn't leave on the dates or times or airports where the 350 flights were available. Maybe there were cheaper flights but this person chose to pay more for convenience factors.Why are some people so quick to assume the worst and throw out insults. Your not face to face, let alone know where thiserson looked.Maybe the person is not savvy or made a costly mistake. That doesn't make the dude a liar.
Newark to Orlando non stop is going for 675-770 per ticket, now.It is worth it though, you MIGHT be at a field where there is a coach and he MIGHT happen to be watching while you are playing and he MIGHT be interested or he MIGHT just be an assistant who really doesnt know what he wants. MAYBE.
Funny how when people "can't" find things they assume others are lying. You couldn't have looked very well.Found this JUST NOW. Spirit. Leaving 12/30. returning 1/2. Total Due $336 without seat assignment and bags. direct flight both ways. I also paid $350.00 for my daughter but that included bag and seat assignment. I booked (3 weeks ago?) as soon as the roster was released. If you regularly search for the best cost per flight, you will find that search/purchase earlier in the week (best day is tuesday) is ALWAYS cheaper than later in the week. booking/purchase on fri-sat-sun is ALWAYS more expensive.
and yes, out of AC but isn't a 1-2 hour ride (cheaper parking as well) worth saving $350? it is for me.
I've heard that Copa lost a lot of players?
2:32 You heard wrong.
No one is sure if the "beans" are true or not. Could just be an angry ex-coach spewing trash about former employer.
I pulled my kid from Copa,not happy with what happen there!!!
What "happen" there?
8:42 "beans" was in reference to a deleted post about someone "spilling the beans" about something.
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Since when is this a site for free advertising!
NJ rush needs all the help they can get it looks like. It's scary they promote gotsoccer like its actually true rankings. Most academies and club would banish gotsoccer if they could. I know my daughters coach hates it. Another money grab in south!!
not all soccer talent comes from academies, whatever they are. Most talent (not all) will come from the clubs that are not town based. The ones that have names that are not a town and draw from a regional part of the state.PDA is one club I would put above this, only in terms of O'Reilly and their other better teams at the various ages.We need a gotsoccer (or something like it) for the following:- colleges to use as a guideline for non ECNL type teams (yes my friends, not all talent is found in ECNL either).- to establish some sense of relative strength of teams for flighting for tournamentsI can see why a team like O'Reilly doesn't like it - it gives the impression to some that they might not be the best team in NJ. I think they are the best team. But let's not dare think they are not. Before you pick on GS to banish, there are just so many more other things to target. Gotsoccer is not even in the top 10 of the list of problems with youth soccer, although I do think that GS goes exist as a result of some of the other evils surrounding the game.
Your coach hates it because it doesnt help his cause. Is it perfect? No, but it acts as a fairly decent guide.
3:39 here saying to 10:11 .... Bingo.
I think PDA parents get a little ruffled when someone says their team is not in the top spot in NJ.They feel the need to write about the PDA superiority. If its true and your confident of it, sit back and enjoy your success.
LOL, OR could be listed as #20 on GS and they are the top team in NJ. tell me another team from NJ that has beaten them? come on', just one team.
12:32 sounds just like someone that 4:32 was referring to.Can't the OR gang just leave it alone and bask quitely with pride that their daughter is in the right place ?Why the need to make sure no one can say anything that might give question to OR being tops in NJ ?
So now the HS Season is almost over who are we predicting to be the top 5 in NJ?
1 PDA OR2 Matchfit3 Wildcats4 PDA Blues5 ?
10:45am Must be joking. Blue and Wildcats aren't even top 101. PDA O'Reilly2. MF ECNL3. NJ Crush4. STA5. PDA Impact
PDA Impact - now you are joking.
So 12:18, you know who these teams have added? You know.
Looking at the last games that the Impact has played, they don't belong in the top 5. But they are still adding players - so who knows. Up to 23 or 24? as of now.
The coach will go up to 30 if he could. The stampede of players will start right after their first tournament when 5 or 6 don't make the game day roster and another 7 don't see any playing time.
Stampede of players to where ?Is there any place left to go that has a quality program that PDA refugees would be looking for?And btw - I agree about the top two teams being O'Reilly and MF ECNL. But there is talent on lots of other teams, and in the end, its not how good the team is. Its how good the player is that matters, assuming it is college we are talking about. Sure there is the thought that PDA and MF, being who they are will attract more collegiate attention, but there are a lot more spots open in colleges around the country than these two teams can fill, and I am quite certain there are many players on 10-15 other NJ teams that will be seen as more desirable than some on PDA, just based on the subjective eyes of each college coach and specifically what they are looking for in a given recruiting class. In the end, the college coach wants players that will be able to play in his/her system and win games. PDA/MF are not the only tickets there.My daughter would not make OR or MF ... well - I highly doubt it. But I do expect her to garner college coach attention and play in college. Wildcats is just another of those 10-15 teams that has some talent that colleges may want. But if you are talking teams - please don't make me laugh putting them in the top 5.
Stampede to where ever team they will get some playing time. Anything is better than sitting. Bottom line is - kids just want to play
You dont think that other teams carry more than 18? Blues do, its not just the Impact. Wildcats do, I am sure the new PDA shore team does. Matchfit does, heck even town teams do it now.
The most important thing is playing time. "Hey coach, come watch me play. I will be the one on the end of bench with the blanket to keep warm." I might play 5-10 if we are winning big, but really, I am gooooooood. Sorry , still cold. But the team is top 10 and I train almost everyday with the really good ones. you know, they need practice players, and MONEY.
still waiting for someone to explain how carrying more than 20 is beneficial to player development.
If you are of the mindset that a bigger roster means more competition for playing time, then to an extent I agree. But it works better at the higher levels like college and pros who are either paid or better equipped to deal with the ego hit. For teens I think the negatives far outweigh any positives and I believe it is just for the money, and also perhaps the sustenance of the team in the event some players leave. All in all it's a lousy thing to do to a kid ... Bull about learning lifes lessons ... They will surely learn them in other places along the way and don't need a soccer club to give them these lessons while paying for something else. Finally the parents of the top players should be happy that the bottom third players exist. Otherwise they would be paying more for their experience. 18 is a good number. Everyone dresses for every game. Everyone gets some chance to shine that game. Next year coach can cut u for a better player. While u are on the team, you play. But not necessarily equal minutes because effort, attitude and game performance must count for something. The better players should play more. If that is not enough incentive for your bottom third to elevate their game, look to replace them in the off season.
I bet MF is happy they have 22 rostered right now. Heard 9 starters can't go to Betheseda because of state tournament finals. Hope they don't get blown out.
I am thinking the question to ask is: Why is a high-level tournament scheduled at a time when many high-level players would naturally be otherwise committed, or forced to make a rough decision that could hurt her standing with either school or club team ?
Why cant they go to Bethesda. Finals are not this weekend.
Finals are on Friday. Bethesda runs Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I wonder if some will make it down for Saturday and Sunday.
Why wouldnt they? These "high level" players wouldnt make the trip to a college showcase? It is 100% inexcusable for a player to NOT go for the Sat/Sun games. NO excuses.
Roster size of 16,18 or 23..the bottom line is...... is my kid enjoying herself ? is she getting better/learning? is she getting prepared to play at the college level and getting exposure? If a team carried 20+ plus players, so be it. OMG. Some parents unfortunately have a since of entitlement for there kid. Unfortunately thats not soccer/sports at the college level( played field hockey) or soccer at a high club level. Knowing that you need to be accountable for everything you do on and off the field helps create a environment to produce and develop players because if they don’t maintain a level, try hard, then they have consequences. You are guaranteed nothing and you have to compete, work hard to play. I like that enviroment for my kid to become the best player she want to become . Some players and parents aren’t built for that or understand the bigger picture. Its a shame because you see those under developed players all the time. “Would of, could of should of” players that stayed in a comfortable or guaranteed playing time environment. As a parent and athlete myself, i prefer the more challenging environment for my kid. No.... right or wrong, just what you prefer I suppose
Cost of clubsClub CostFC Delco 2,500FC Buck, 2,300PDA, 2,400FC Coppa, 1,800SJ Barons 2,000MFC 2,700STA 1,900RUSH 2,100PFC 2,000?
That is base price, dont forget about the 5 dollars here and 10 dollars there for god knows what. It never ends.
NEWSS Brackets are out. Top 2 are belowShowcase RedBRENTWOOD SC FREEDOM 98 (NYE)WHITBY 1999A (CND)PDA O'REILLY (NJ)NJ CRUSH FC CHARGE (NJ)AJAX FC 1999 GIRLS RED (CND)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 98 (NJ)ALBERTSON SC ALBERTSON FURY ECNL U16 (NYE)JERSEY UNITED SPARTANS 98/99G ASL (NJ) Showcase White WORLD CLASS FC WORLD CLASS '98 ECNL U16 (NYE)PDA IMPACT 98/99 NPL (NJ)ALBERTSON FURY NPL (NYE)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)EAST MEADOW SC ECNL STARS 98 (NYE)ISA 98 NPL (NYE)FC COPA ACADEMY CELESTE (NJ)YANKEE UNITED F.C. REVOLUTION NPL-98 (CT)
State Public Finals are Saturday November 22. Smack in the middle of CASL tournament. Apparently tournament organizers didn't give a hoot that NJ states were still on. They moved their tournament up by 2 weeks from past years. Why?This puts players in a very difficult position. They HAVE to (WANT to) play for their HS yet they should be showcasing for college. What's a player to do?
12:32 & 1:27Is that $ just training or does it include tournament fees.How about coach's travel, uniforms, hotels, etc. etc.Anyone want to provide an "all inclusive" dollar amt to play 1 year in this program?
most fees include cards, state cups, league play and coaches training fees.+ 300.00ish uniforms+ tournament share (/#players)+ coaches tournament fee/expenses(depends on travel costs. /#players)+ winter indoor fees+ fundraising(club not team)+ whateverno matter which club, all travel and hotel fees are on you.
you are basically writing an open check
We are with one of the clubs listed. Uniforms are not an annual purchase. They are worn at least 2 yrs. our fees included winter training indoors (facility fees and training fees). Also we have not been asked to pay extra for coaches travel or hotel. Yes we pay for our own obviously. If the girls want to do any extra tournaments in the winter or do futsal, that would be extra. So it's not an "open check".
Always asked for extra money. Always. It adds up
got an email for Match Fit's online Nike store. does that mean that all Adidas gear is banned? that means EVERYONE at MF puchases new uniforms this year. almost ALL of the 3 U16 teams bough new Adidas uniforms LAST year. hhmm, not exactly every two years. and manufacturers will only keep a line for 2 years so you can puchase up to 2 years IF they have it in stock.
My kid played for MF for too many years of wasted time. EVERY YEAR they had to buy a new uniform. I'm sure club makes out on a percentage of the uniform fee.
MF couldn't even keep academy status on the boys side. #MFstinks
MF I leading the way at bethesda.
614 so complain to mf It's not all clubs that makes u get new uniforms annually
Aside from mf, nj teams did not fare well at Bethesda. I think they've adopted some better development methods elsewhere. Heaven knows they can't get much worse around here.
Keep in mind that most of the NJ teams did not carry their full roster due to high school season. Many other States play HS in the spring and therefore carried their full roster.
Other than Virginia, which states play HS in the Spring? Maryland, PA, Delaware, Ohio...all fall. Nice try, though.
Nice try what...The fact is many of the NJ teams did not have full rosters because the kids were still playing high school.
Nice try using that as an excuse. Many other teams from other states had kids still playing HS. Maryland had their state cup finals on Saturday and my daughter's team played Friday and Saturday missing 4 starters. It's not a good reason for the lack of performance.
No excuse. Our team performed well. The teams from other states carried 17-18. Our team and other NJ teams that I watched had 12-13. One team did not have their goalie. You sound like a loser so I am done.
The real villain here is high school soccer which should be banished.
Mf ecnl solidifies their top nj ranking with a quality performance in Bethesda.
MF, are you suggesting that you are better than OR?
8:55 Please, spare us the bragging. How many quality teams actually showed for Bethesda? How many teams actually had their full strengthrosters because of high school soccer commitments? You won. Big deal. It's all relative.
NEWSS, please behave like a top tournament, release the schedules.
Agreed. Ridiculous how NEWSS is in 10 days time and hasn't released a schedule. They accepted teams over a month ago!
very very JV
I'm just saying that mf has Retained top spot in Gs and widened their lead. Not commenting on anything else. Read into what you wish. Wooo hoooo!
9:47 That was nasty. Can't another team be happy that they won?? And there was great competition... Loudin and Betheseda. Keep your negativity to yourself.They are going to drop down very soon since Bethesda is the only points grabbing tournament they are doing this fall. I would have thought that we wouldn't be discussing Gotsoccer still.
Actually you are the one discussing gotsoccer. You brought it up....no one else.
Um....reread 8:55 am. That's what started the conversation. Which rankings did you infer they meant?
U people are comical.How many of you have actually seen any team other than your daughter's team play more than a few times and once or twice a year. Not many I expect. If you did we might have other things to worry about for you, and at best, I'd say get a life.We really can't watch PDA or mf or sta or wildcats or whoever play on video like we can watch real Madrid or bayern. Yet there continues to be commentary on who is good, who is not and who is better than the other.So when someone points to the ONLY objective and universal measure there is, people get all bent out of shape. It is comical.Sure Gs is not perfect. But tell me some other objective measure. Talking ecnl or npl or whatever league is not gonna do it. Brand name doesn't do it either. So why not just accept the comments about Gs, let parent be proud of their kids and teams as long as they are not trashing others an be done with it.
mf "cheats" too.. they leave the npl team from last year on got soccer just so they can have an encl team compete....look at the npl roster and half the girls are not even with mf anymore...they should be ashamed
916. Are you saying MF hasn't got an NPL team at this age group? How are they going to participate in the NPL league? Just have their ECNL team do both?
No the NPL team disbanded because they were on to the MF crap and didn't want to take it anymore so MF "bestowed" the status of NPL on the North team. Yes, they do cheat. They've also given points from one team and season's end to another startup team which had NOT ONE player on it from the first team. Joke.
Really? Wow. The MF North team is very poor for the age group. Going to be a tough season for them in NPL!
Still do not understand 20+ roster. Hey college coach, I did not dress today, but hope to play tomorrow. Please come back. lolstill lol !
The North team IS the NPL now. The other will drop off when their points die off.We should just not compare teams at all. There are too many leagues and too many ranking systems. Let's all just worry about our own daughters and helping them to achieve.11:44 I am not a fan of large rosters either but I am answering your question honestly. On my daughters team, the coaches are in touch with most of the college coaches that attend the showcases. If the coach knows that a college is coming for your daughter, he will be sure to showcase them. Thus the name... showcase. If random colleges show up and do not get to see your daughter and you wanted them too, they attend a camp. I think 18 is a nice number to have on a team so that injuries etc. are covered but even then coaches won't get to see 12-18 as much as 1-11. So, using the above "formula" works all around.
NEWSS schedules up
Another loss today for SJA at the EDP Tournament.
Ya know, you are a pathetic individual for posting negative things about the SJA team! Why are you so concerned about this team? Grow up! Like your daughter's team is so perfect and always wins!!?? My daughter's team loses every so often too. It happens.
Since you are keeping track for us.. you forgot to post that they won today also.
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