Monday, March 5, 2018

U18 (2000) Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 and everyone is invited to post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

638 when people want to talk about soccer, its great. Makes the day go quicker. No one got offended, no one insulted anyone, just good honest discussion.

Anonymous said...

3;52 yes they saw a lot of money that they have invested in her. I think that is part of it. with many international opportunities opening up and may be even more when our kids can take advantage of it, that's the way to go.

Anonymous said...

6:53 agreed. but now i am late at the office actually doing work. :) peace everyone. tomorrow's another day. and after what FL just experienced, thank our lucky stars. we have good kids. passionate about their sports as are their parents. maybe the parents are a wee bit more passionate.

Anonymous said...

Then please explain how a 2019 NPL player gets recruited into Duke?

Anonymous said...

legacy? booster? contributing alum? their entire roster isn't full of kids that were invited to a camp.

Anonymous said...

a lot of Got Soccer Points. :) how about a good player? probably went to an school id camp and kept in touch. as prior poster said, not all on the roster is a nat camp invitee.

Anonymous said...

That's right some of the lesser knows are basically recruited walk ons. Especially those in state kids going to state schools.

Anonymous said...

Really? Walk ons? what division?
Are you talking PA state schools perhaps?

Anonymous said...

UVA and Duke both leave room for walk ons. Pretty sure UNC do as well. Look at Villanova 2018 class. do you think all of those are scholarship players?

Anonymous said...

Maybe some prior scholarships being taken back, no? Heard that happened a lot at prior school.

Anonymous said...

I guess you can walk on and ride the bench for a couple years if you'd like

Eric Harris said...

@February 27, 2018 at 9:34 AM......just an FYI colleges can not take back scholarships or take away money that they have already agreed to.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

True Eric ...but some are year to year.

Anonymous said...

Talking about older kid scholarships in non p5 and nli are yr to yr. Some schools force kids to leave by not playing them

Anonymous said...

Even in p5. Know kids it happened to. Not fiction.

Eric Harris said...

@ Feb 27, 10:53am………….I am not sure about that year to year stuff but I know whatever they tell you upfront holds until you either decide to ask to be released or you decide not to play anymore. Sure can they advise that maybe your services could be used somewhere else where you as a player may get more playing time sure I am sure they would help a player get somewhere else if it would free up an obligation that they had with that player and certainly if they can use that to get another player or to maybe give players that they already have more. Sure I don’t deny that happens. Reading back earlier about players being either athletic or maybe more athletic than some or not as athletic………..I call that as buyer beware. It’s kind of like saying Cheerleading is not a sport. I look at that as saying, the person making that comment is probably neither a cheerleader or in this case not athletic enough to know the difference. My little niece up at NYCFC and sure okay not blood niece but she is my niece for sure and reading some of this nonsense well my bad reading some of these opinions are not only comedic but by far head scratching. I just wonder when you have a person that can lets say play soccer at this level and also at some time in her life run and jump on the level of the Junior National Status for track and field………..and someone says you are not as athletic……………that’s a head scratcher to me in my opinion lol lol I am just saying.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Long disertation. All good. Someone said off the charts sthletic. And she is certainly athletic. Absolutely athletic. Wicked fast. To me off the charts is a different kevel. Athletic

Anonymous said...

Different level. Agreed. It is subjective. And I do think cheerleading is a sport as well.

Anonymous said...

155. ill chime in. you have seen her play soccer , thats it. Have you seen her jump? Or play any other sport? You say different level, but surely its relative. the fact that you include decathletes suggests you are comparing to a male standard.

You dont seem willing to actually say what off the charts is. Without that. its hard to take your comment seriously.

Anonymous said...

Meant no harm. She is a great, top level soccer player.
I have jr olympians in my family as well in various sports. Some of them I don't consider off the charts either. Tough grader.

Anonymous said...

Hepthathletes are generally female.

Anonymous said...

205 Lol..athletics is an absolute sport. times and distances. So far no one has outlined what off the charts is. I assume bolt is not athletic becasue he only sprints

Anonymous said...

206 except the OP quoted both.

Anonymous said...

Pentathletes can be both. Football players can be off the charts. Speed, agility, upper body, breaking through traffic, leaping into air above others,etc. Rugby players can be off the charts

Anonymous said...

Salom Skiers, trick snowboarders,swimmers, surfers, all high level of course are examples of some that require more athleticism than soccer to execute properly.

Anonymous said...

212 are you saying soccer players cannot ? Because they can display all the traits you just listed. I think people are confusing all around athlete with being athletic. if you are going to tell me the Bolt is nonathletic because he is a "just" a sprinter, then there is no point discussing it.

Anonymous said...

Bolt is a perfect example. He is the fastest man alive. A true unicorn. He isnt called the greatest athlete though.

Anonymous said...

219 Was peak Ronaldo off the charts athletic? You can pick either version.

Anonymous said...

224 so now only the greatest is off the charts? Cmon man. stop moving the goalposts.

Anonymous said...

never said anyone was non athletic. That is a completely different level. I view "off the charts athleticism"differently.

Anonymous said...

229 so differently that you cannot give us an example. is it possible for any youth athlete to be off the charts athletic?

Eric Harris said...

If you asked me if she is off the charts athletically I would have to say yes. Could I say that about other players as well, sure I can and there are plenty of young athletes that are off the charts in my opinion. I think you make a very valid point that really is not debatable and that is the comment you make (1:55pm) “To me off the charts is a different level” I agree totally with you that we all see things different and through a different perspective.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...


Thought op did give examples. But you raise a great question can a youth athlete be off the charts? Youth musicians can be and are scooped up by juliard.
Good stuff.

Anonymous said...

251 I raised it becasue I dont think the person has given us a single example of a comparable. I would add that when on a soccer board someone say off the charts athletic, the assumption I make is relative to other soccer players. Not absolute comparisons to snowboarders and decathletes !!

Clearly we all have different standards, but to me its Speed, power, agility and strength. anyone who says that kid is "just fast" is not paying attention. to be fair, no reason why they would

Anonymous said...

All relative. "off the charts" to me means "highly unusual". Thye NYFC kid has highly unusual speed. That part of her athleticism is off the charts by my definition. Since most seem to be kind in this discussion and the kid was also brought up, the PF player is "highly unusual" in her body control and probably agility/quickness. Both of them are notable because of the way their body responds to their brains. In my opinion they are both "off the charts" or "highly unusual" in their athleticism.

Anonymous said...

I remember not too long ago they would describe certain Quarterbacks as athletic, and apparently to some this was a slight. The reason was that the Quarterback that could sit back in the pocket, read defenses, and game plan in split second increments was the prototype. In soccer I see the same thing. A keeper who can make saves based on athleticism but has no understanding of distribution accept punting (athletic ability). A forward who can breakdown a defense and make a move or two to get a better look on goal as opposed to a fast winger that can out run everyone and onetime a shot (athleticism), a defender that can win a ball and boot it down field (athletic) as opposed to a defender who can possess out of the back, hold and distribute. I remember a girl my daughter played with a few years ago who went to the designer team near Philly. She was also a track star, she was fast and had basic footskills but pressure her at the top of the box and she would fall to pieces more often than not. The coach relied on her to read the last defender and make runs on over the top balls. He won games, she's going to college (Big East Low D1). Same team, different girl at multiple positions with footskills and soccer knowledge is also playing in collge (Big 10 Much higher up the Rankings)

Anonymous said...

Perfectly put. That is why soccer is a little different. Just because you can doent mean you should. I see that all the time. Defenders for example who just boot a ball doen the field eithout purpose. Doesn't mean the gal who held and distributed is any less athletic. Just means she has higher doccer

Anonymous said...

...sorry. higher soccer iq.

Anonymous said...

Apologize for spelling errors.

Anonymous said...

hahaha 3:03 dipping your toe in the shark tank, huh? yes we're kind. both kids are great. also PF gal in Spain is too. each kid bring something special to the table.

Anonymous said...

Since this is a discussion on athleticism. I see nothing that I could call even "very athletic" about that kid. The others yes they have certain characteristics one could label as athletic. The third not so much. That's not saying she isn't a quality soccer player, just not athletic to me. As an aside, she seems to be pretty typical of what the USSF are picking right now. Kids who are fairly technical but pretty cookie cutter. The Wash spirit u17 is very similar. It's not working so well for them. I think the other two have much more uniquely rare abilities that would lend themselves more to a special squad. But since I am not picking the team it's just food for thought on a discussion board.

Anonymous said...

i would disagree, but just my opinion. i think they are all fun to watch.

Anonymous said...

the real question is why are all three not there? the roster does not have kids who can replicate what the other 2 can do. What is it the the USSF fear in those 2? Becasue to me, they are exactly what the GDA and YNTs should be about. Potential to be special.

Anonymous said...

So can everyone accept that it's all subjective in what a coach is looking for?
How about this? This was used as a guide for holding/defensive mid in a coach's observation/talent ID:

Runs very well
Controls the Midfield
Great Passing Technique
Tackles Well
Does Well in the Air
High Soccer IQ
High Work Rate

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Who knows why others not there as well some prior picks and some newbies.

Anonymous said...

I think what some players bring can't be described by such a rubric. The creative aspect especially is an "it" factor. Observers can see if a player has "it" or not. But yes exactly its clearly subjective in soccer. the only way to prove that they are currently mistaken in their approach is for them to fail to succeed...oh wait... :)

Anonymous said...

Early morning funny person...
All about what "that" coach sees. We all scratch our heads when we watch NT, from MNT and WNT on down...

Anonymous said...

the window we are discussing is pretty narrow. In theory once n College the slate should be pretty clean. In practice, I fear it is not. My take is that for some reason the USSF seem hell bent o given certain kids EVERY chance to succeed in spite of repeated failure. Others get one "chance" often surrounded by the weaker players or other bubble kids. Their strengths are minimized or they are played in roles that highlight shortcomings.

The other factor for some is regular attendance puts some kids in a comfort zone where they can play without fear. kids who rarely go are sometimes alienated by the regulars. Thats not an easy environment to succeed in. The USSF seem very big on mind games and mental toughness. To a degree I get it BUT my main concern would be trying to make every kid comfortable so I can see them at their best. It should be about talent.

there si too little roster turnover for me and far too many camps. I feel it would be better to have more regional stuff and fewer national. See more kids and force the staff to look more at regions OUTSIDE their own. Right now it feel like the 99/00s are very stagnant and judging by the play of the 18s and 20s there is clear evidence that either we dont have the best players or we dont have the right coaches.

The USSF seem far too comfortable with status quo given how we appear to be playing. Youth coaches should be out there trying to find exceptional talent, not coaching up (or down) the same kids over and over again.

Anonymous said...

8:37 I agree with your regional comment. Which is what the USYS ODP had, state teams to regional teams then showcase each other at a National event (they still do). The USSF took it one step further and said the clubs we approve shall replace the ODP state teams and then we will have showcase events for these clubs. We have millions of players and coaches can't see everyone. They will rely on the people/clubs they selected to find the best so they can put them in the proper situations to be evaluated. If the kids can play they will do good in college which in tern will give them a shot when it really matters the first team not the YNTs.

Coaches will promote the players they think are exceptional regardless of who we think are exceptional. It's a subjective game.

There are so many players that can do this, so picking 3 out of thousands, show me someone who can do that.

Runs very well
Controls the Midfield
Great Passing Technique
Tackles Well
Does Well in the Air
High Soccer IQ
High Work Rate

Anonymous said...

951 Not sure I agree. your list of qualities dont carry eqaul eight and if I applied it to the CDM/CMs we have now at 17/18/20 level, NONE of them can do all those things versus good compeption on a consistent basis.

thats the part that I think is missing. Take Real Colorado as an example. If i aggregate several good players on one team and then play games, is the kid doing some of the things in your list for that team better than the kid limited by the players around her on a weaker team? How do you make that distinction without watching the player many times?

Its too easy to shop at Clubs that win consistently thus overrating the mid level of said team.

Take the other end of the spectrum, Internationals. Why should those kids who are deemed to be NT level given a pass for not performing to a level that get them in to the ECNL NA Cup? Because a coach in the system is looking at them VERY differently to other players. They may be fantastic players, but what incentive does that coach have to look for alternatives? None really, because there is no downside for failure. No accountability

Its all to comfortable.

I want to ID players WHO HAVE THE TOOLS AND POTENTIAL - to do all the things in your list ( and few more) or some of them at an ELITE level.

I dont think the USSF really does. If they did, the GDA would be a fraction of its size. Coaches would not have so much input on their own players. there would be real oversight. A GM for each team. making sure that EVERY kid in camp gets a real evaluation. Not 14 kids play 70pct of the minutes. A real eval should include meaningful game time

The one variable that is most important to me is - doe stha player use her skill set to impact the game in a positive way?

Not interested in cone players. We have too many drill masters and too few real players.

Anonymous said...

All good points. Some of it is laziness on the part of the coaches. They get comfortable with the dynamic and don't want to shake up the easy situation. Since there is no pressure to win games (obviously) or even play good soccer, (obviously) they can coast in that situation.

Anonymous said...

if you look at the majority of opponents outside WC and WC qualifying, winning games is pretty easy. I think a decent ECNL/GDA team would beat several of the teams we travel miles to play at U17.

Not naming and shaming, but one of the perennial U17 players ( this is going to be cycle #2) has played vs our team several times. I have never seen her impact the game. the catch all is , well her team is not very good, she performs much better with better players around - but how do you get to that point if you cant dominate a mid level ECNL team?

Anonymous said...

10:19 This is where I disagree with you the USSF created a Development League for that purpose (but so many parents/coaches bash it). They accept clubs into the mix with a proven track record of placing kids (are these the best clubs, no but they are doing something right). The GDA needs to be larger somewhere in the 150 to 200 teams as level 1. Then we need 4 regional teams as Level 2. The regional level 1 teams showcase each other to be identified for the regional level 2 teams that plays in CA in group play with the YNT teams, all teams play 4 games so you can see how they stack up to each other.

I'm okay with cone masters just don't like cone teachers. The players mastered what was asked of them that is not a negative that's a positive.

10:57 why does she have to dominate? Maybe her role isn't to dominate on the team. Maybe she is just using those games to stay fit and sharp saving herself for when it matters for her.

Anonymous said...

1115 I see no evidence the the GDA is any different to the ECNL at its core. Proven track record? n some case yes, but in a country this size several club selections are based on coverage , not quality. Its more "if we build it they will come".. I dont think they really will for a long time, if at all.

To your last point, how do you explain that to kids who are outperforming in the GDA. A league that is supposed to ID talent, if some kids are allowed to not perform because they have been pre-ordained. If enough fall into that category, then why bother at all? If kid is accepted to College that meets her level, then why should she bother? Surely best for her to save herself for College? Its a very slippery slope if you allow what you suggest.

I would add, how do you stay sharp giving less than max. adn if you are giving max, then surely at GDA level you should stand out?

Anonymous said...

don't all high level players perform better with better players around them? that's why i can't wait for college. the drop off level should be (hopefully) non existent.
so why not invite all the players that are similarly situated?

Anonymous said...

It's the USSF league! What more do you need? They built it who comes well that's on the player and what they want. This would have been an easier sell if the Teams were branded differently to remove all the club bias we have.

Why bother? They are in HS, they are not even close to being world class players yet. Some might have the physical attributes to play a high level game but they still need to develop. When they get to college the USSF will have plenty of college game film, so if a player is getting buzz, they will be seen. The league is to develop talent and identify the best talent from that pool (subjective) and put them on YNTs this is not the first team, so I don't understand the why bother? If the kid is high level they will make it no doubts as long as they stick with it and deal with the curves that life throws.

Maybe for that players it's going at a level that is good for her while saving her body for when it matters? Obviously for those players what's important is a lot different than players not playing YNT.

Anonymous said...

11:41 agreed. but what is the harm in opening up the looks and invites to include others similarly situated as someone above noted? isn't it easier to make up lost high school classes than college? some professors are hard arses and could care less that you are an athlete. I've heard horror stories from some bb players families when march madness rolls around (guys and girls) and most colleges care about bb programs especially the guys. not necessarily the same support for soccer.

Anonymous said...

12:04 yes I agree with you, that's why I said there should be 150-200 USDA Clubs at level 1. Then we should have a North, South, East and West regional teams that plays at a Showcase with that age groups YNT team. this should be the only National event all others should be at the regional level. I also think we should have a true pyramid.

USDA Club level 150-200 clubs
USDA Team level maybe another 20 teams per region
These should be the only teams allowed to play regionally or nationally.

All others should be at the state levels, so players have a pathway that is easy to follow that's approx 4,000 player per age group at Level 1.

Anonymous said...



1134 One would assume so if they are on the same wavelength. Judging by the recent youth team performances Im not sure you can make that statement definitively. Playing together as a team is not so straightforward if everyone wants the ball.

1141 I get what you are saying, but you are not really answering the question. Its is the USSF league in name only. They are not picking the players. The variation in quality is huge. I get the college part, but we are talking or debating why certain players seem everpresent inspite of either not playing in or not showing well in GDA /ECNL games. Why bother refers to the method of getting a chance. If a kid goes out and, for example, marks an everpresent out of the game and the feedback is, well she was not trying/ saving herself, then what incentive is there for kids who are out there doing really well in the games to continue? The may as well save themselves for college as well right? when the slate is clean GDA keep telling kids that this is your path to the YNT/NT right? It sends a bad message to place some above performing

Im not surprised though becasue the USSF operate this way. Its analogous to the NWSL/ Allocations and the full team. There are NWSL player making the all league best X1s who cannot get a look in for the full team no matter how well they play. They fall into the great in the NWSL, but not intl class category. ( A different discussion altogether) Whilst I dont agree with it, you could make a case that its based on a large sample size.

in the case of youth players, the sample size is tiny. I also think we would be naive to think the slate is totally clean. I understand there are going to be bumps in the road, but I feel some very deserving kids just never get a chance and the encouragement that a call would give them and they have earned it.

In theory the GDA is supposed to have player at that level AND several who are right there. so to be honest I would debate you all day what really is important. is a U17 WC more important than College?

Its a good debate tho, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Assign an out of region USSF coach to every team, bring in someone who has no ties to the region, club or team and have them run the team from tryouts through playoffs. This Coach would be the head coach and can retain the local or incumbent as an assistant. Maybe start with the U14 age and roll it out over the next few years, the higher age coaches would eventually rotate out with their teams and be given a chance at tat time to post for a position beginning at U14. The coach would stay with their team through 2 cycles. I would remove or relocate every current coach from their respective club. It would be a big undertaking but if you want to disrupt (a trending business term) then this would be the way to do it. The Coaching lists now are ridiculous with each club having the same 5-7 coaches listed rotating names at head coach. There would also need to be an evaluation process that would validate the current stable of coaches to determine where some may need to be removed totally from the equation.

Anonymous said...

12:51 Agreed in theory. I don't think 1 year is enough to say it will fail. I like the idea of a development league for the USSF. It allows players to throw their name in the hat, why else play in that league if you don't want NT level. It makes life easy for everyone that needs to identify the talent and for the players that want to be identified. The USSF is expecting the clubs to promote the proper players and they pick from that pool. The people selecting will always select the type of player they think is NT material noway around that. I agree about NWSL players not getting a chance as well as many youth players. That's why I believe the USDA is to small it needs to expand even if it adds layers. For example each state has 4 teams that feed state teams that USSF scouts build that feed regional teams that USSF scouts build that showcase players for the NT teams.

We are a huge country and I think the Youth pool is actually huge vs tiny. players develop at different rates.

Any NT event is more important than college since these players picked soccer as a career path and it opens doors to England,France and Germany some of the leagues that pay a little better. In most European countries the players are given a condo/car as an extra.

Anonymous said...

1:56 I like kind of what I'm saying.

Anonymous said...

this is why ODP worked and USSF supported it. ECNL killed it.

Anonymous said...

I think it is great that kids we know and play with are getting such great opportunities. congrats to them.

Did any of you read Carli Lloyd's book? she speaks about the red carpet treatment some get, undeserved. and how vicious it can be for newbies who are not coming in with the red carpet treatment. i get competing for spots and playing time, but they don't need to promote such anarchy.

you can still be extremely competitive, but also be a kind teammate/fellow soccer player.

Anonymous said...

12:51 yes part of it is assuming that all are on same ability wavelength. how far are the drop offs as far as level at the camps?

Anonymous said...

Yny camps are lord of the flies. Any new kid is "piggy". God forbid if the new kid is better than the incumbents. The kids and their coaches will set out to destroy her chances. Which isn't hard because she may hardly see the field. Even in the few minutes if she shows well the die may be cast.

Anonymous said...

May be apples to oranges but I am seeing a different atmosphere at work with my daughter as an incoming freshman in the fall for the College team. Since she committed there has been a great deal of encouragement across the board with current team members reaching out to her and the class of incoming freshman already meeting up on their own and getting to know each other. As the models are very different and not as cut-throat. I think the nature of any US program (looking at some of the stories coming out of Olympic selections) is that the core will band together to protect current teammates against up and coming athletes, if you can impress the coaches and get past the "Gate-keeper" players you are then welcomed into the first tier. To get to the inner circle is difficult as there are a lot of seen and unseen barriers put up.

Anonymous said...

Good Read:

https://www.coachup.com/nation/articles/dad-the-odds-be-ever-against-me

Anonymous said...

Will you provide the cyanide too?

Anonymous said...

8:25 I guess it depends on the program. i imagine that some teams can be cut throat as well if incoming freshman are taking spots. a good coach will make sure that doesn't happen unless they are part of the culture that supports it. hazing is a thing of the past; other than carrying the cones and water coolers, etc.

Anonymous said...

As this has been discussed above, thought some may be interested - looks like England 2 - USA 2 in their first game of tourney in Spain. Scotland vs. Sweden next up.

Anonymous said...

is that a good result ?

Anonymous said...

Well a draw isn't a loss, but today's loss to Netherlands 6-0 is bad.

Anonymous said...

such a joke. some of these kids did so well in the U17 WC so let's just bring them back.

Anonymous said...

Look at our own region. No doubt one could put together an all star team of left out 99/00 players that would beat the players they chose to send to Spain from the whole country. In fact a couple years ago the 00 region 1 ODP team clobbered the 02 ynt. The ussf took a no lose situation in not putting an on age team against that odp team. Add the unc and uva strikers who had looks and were not chosen for Spain to the odp all stars and I don't think the result is even questionable. The pda/duke forward long gone from selection. The pda Princeton kids. The Duke forward and gk from New England. The BC holding mid. The USC/pda holding mid. The pda/Rutgers defender one and done. The one and done creative penn fusion midfielder and gk. The NC state and Georgetown defenders/ misfielders the mclean forward and defender and I could go on because there are a lot of great players in Region 1... all great players with a sniff or not. If they could have played more together they would have been better for it. And what's more... USA soccer would have been better as well.

Anonymous said...

You ever think there is a little bias in your post? Maybe you are not a good judge of soccer talent? All good players,but the selector didn't like them for one reason or another. You want to bring kids back from U17 how about we bring back players that got the snub from that team when does it stop? How about we support these kids whoever they are as a country instead of being negative. All those players are nice you don't think some poster from CA can't pick better players than the ones you listed? If any of us knew talent we would be agents cashing in. All we are is a bunch a parents (I think) that think we know it all. Please don't take any of this post the wrong way. Support the kids USA!!

Anonymous said...

1050 in the context of WoSo your post makes no sense. You have no idea who is posting here. maybe there are parents who are more than youth think. Support the kids . Agree. ALL of them. No one is advocating not giving kids s chance or support. the feel I get is that some think many of these kids have \had many many chances. Tine to give others a go. Maybe they fail as well or re-inforce what your originally thought, but no excises not to try them.

I give 821 props for putting it out there and I would be that person supports USA as much as you do. They just care about getting a process that actually improves ALL the kids and gives many more a chance.

There si already a heavy WC bias. I would love to see the game he outlines. Ive ssen something similar when watching camp film, but not Our region vs another.

Anonymous said...

1050 exactly on the california comment. They are too narrow in their investments. Californai and region 4 could do the same. Yep I am going to say it, I have seen most if not all of this 99/00 YNT roster and many of those kids are not as good as some of the ones listed in 821. Say I don't know how to judge talent. I will let the NED scoreline speak for itself. The Dutch federation write up (the ussf has declined to comment on the debacle) says the USa was shockingly terrible and played like corpses) Its like they see it as a failure if they don't keep these same kids in the loop. There were specific examples of kids who would challenge the status quo. I agree they would make a great team and would challenge any other put together at the age groups. As far as judgement on talent on the 821 poster, those kids have been chosen for various accolades so he's not the only one who thinks they are good. I will even go so far as to say the 2 penn fusion kids there aren't even the best kids on their team at their positions. The Ohio kids are really shocking team not even good enough to make any level of ecnl post season on a weak conference as well. Oh but their coach is the u19 coach true-true- definitely related. The mclean kids are good and probably deserving but no look until their doc is the chief scout in region one. True-true-related.

Anonymous said...

Duke and UVA certainly get their pick of players. These kids may not play, but to gaining admission there on a soccer scholarship is a much bigger endorsement of their talent/potential than a U-19 cap for the USA.

Anonymous said...

true but devils advocate there those kids were very early commits and getting YNT call ups when they committed. The UNC kid was topdrawer #1 at the time.

Anonymous said...

not sure I agree. there were many others getting callups as well. Some committed , some not. Not sure which UNC kid you are referring to. Te only one I know is not a Club player anymore so not so relevant to this conversation. The UVa kid was off the radar.

Anonymous said...

Ummm the UVA kid was invited to u14 YNT April 2014 camp hardly off the radar when she committed to UVA. In fact that's one of the first events that sky rockets kids on the radar...

Anonymous said...

selective recall. One camp does not launch anyone really. How many did the Dukle kid go to ? Or the FC Stars kids? Or the kids from PDA? That kid was not even considered the best prospect on her own team.

Anonymous said...

Lol it certainly put that kid on the radar. You can't deny it. No backtracking. She was on the radar.

Anonymous said...

are you seriously saying that there aren't kids on that roster where you scratch your head and say what are they thinking? Very good, absolutely. YNT level? no.
then again, coach very good. absolutely. YNT level, clearly no. let's see what happened Sermani was shown the door after a loss like this.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. but need to support them. scratch your head, sure. Support as well.

Anonymous said...

200 i think people here have no clue. If you go to an NT camp, play badly and don't get invited back what does that do ? People here assume that getting to camp is the golden ticket. Its not. They also assume taht every College just looks at YNT camp invites and then hands out offers based on someone elses evaluation at 13 yrs old. I dont buy that either.

Anonymous said...

11:16 some of the kids have been given more than enough as a chance. as someone above noted the U17 WC kids have already exhausted their opportunity. if they weren't good enough to contribute, then why on the team. if they did and didn't get it done, then time to gracefully move on.

Anonymous said...

hahaha true. isn't that Einstein's definition of insanity (paraphrasing here) doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result. so yeah.
Supporting the kids; questioning the rest.

Anonymous said...

2;17 apparently USSF aren't getting rid of them unless they call an opponent a coward. then they will be moving on.

Anonymous said...

12:11 internationals are head scratchers. pf kids; current club one in spain is very good; the one in not even a club kid anymore; at Virginia.
and i would think falls into the WC 17 discussion above. if anything should be on older team.

Anonymous said...

norway is next. normally not too tough for US. GO USA.

Anonymous said...

Uh 217 love how the conversation is warped and stroked
The comment originally was that the uva was found by Swanson before she was "on the radar". That was incontrovertibly untrue. The kid was invited to u14 ynt camp. That invitation itself puts those kids directly "on the radar". The radar so to speak is where the uva etc coaches start their lists for watching at future events. No one said the top coaches were offering scholarships to every u14 ynt player only that once on the radar they are undoubtably fast tracked. Especially true with the early commitments. Not exactly a golden ticket but a gps "look here" flashing beacon.

Anonymous said...

312 and you would know this how? Are you the kids parent? Or in the Club. Or close to the family? Speculation is fine, but when you make definitive comments on things you know zero about ....

Anonymous said...

should add 312 that was not the comment at all. No one mentioned Swanson. I believe this is the comment you referred to ..The UVa kid was off the radar.

She was. Relative to the other kids in the region - zero Id2 invites, zero pdp invites . What put her on peoples radar was Tambi

Anonymous said...

She went to u14 ynt camp. Do you deny that puts a kin on the radar?

Anonymous said...

UVA IS Swanson uva was mentioned so Seansons radar is the one that was important. She was on the radar be cause she was invited to camp. That Tambi gave a recommendation further is terrific and what he should do. The combination is compelling and I wish the kid well. But to deny she was off the radar after being invited to u14 camp makes no sense. But whatever I am not clear why it even matters.

Anonymous said...

316 what specifically in the 312 post do you think is not either obvious or in the public record?

Anonymous said...

4:42 i'm not in this at all as far as UVA/Swanson/Tambi, but she's a good player. will be much better with other good talent around her in college. did she take someone's kid's spot on the UVA roster with all this commenting? that's what i am getting from all of this.

Anonymous said...

No she's not a good player she's s great player.
The issue is what is the signifigsnce of s ynt. Call up.

Anonymous said...

that's subjective good and great. you say great. i say good. i have seen other more creative players in her position right now. but i do think some of it is due to the lack of support which will fix itself next year. she'll shine.

Anonymous said...

also i get the issue, but there is a lot of chatter about this specific player and to me it seemed personal from some.

significance is opportunity, potentially for post college play here and internationally. not necessary.

oh and didn't mean to minimize the above. she's a very good player.

Anonymous said...

UVA is getting some difference making attacking players next year. Should really be challenging Stanford and ucla if not next year the year after for sure. I will look forward to watching our local players when available.

Anonymous said...

I cant think of a player in the region at that level who has less support. When we play them she the focus. Still a handful. Will see what happens in College

Anonymous said...

10/21 - FC VA vs. NYCFC (4-0);
10/22 - V DA vs. NYCFC (0-0);
3/4 Oakwood vs NYCFC (3-1);

she is very good, but some teams seem to be able to handle.

Anonymous said...

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1231129

VDA makes an official announcement about league switch.

Anonymous said...

That makes the DA very much stronger and weakens the ecnl further. More than likely the ussf kicked them out or would have if they didn't preemptively remove themselves.

Anonymous said...

They will give classics a by for a while due to the Pulisic factor. Probably right anyway. Many of the best PF players over time have come from the west.

Anonymous said...

Posting game scores tells us nothing. Ive seen many games where a player was really hard to handle and the team lost. We beat them pretty easily but does not change the fact that we struggle to contain that kid and if she had a couple more to play off, the games would be a lot closer. If you were at all those ganes, then I take it back. My guess is you are reading scorelines. Maybe you were at one.

Anonymous said...

I took my daughter to the Sky Blue/UNC scrimmage this past weekend as we're big NWSL fans. The PF girl had the only UNC goal and looked really good playing.

I think high level players like her, and more so the Va player will benefit from college. Having a very good supporting cast will help the VA player take her game to the next level and possible future call-ups.

Anonymous said...

8:18 been at several games. she's very good. but, to me this shows maybe why no reach outs. just showing how such a threat didn't score vs a very good team (FC VA) and a team going ECNL now and OW which has a similar record as VA D in a much weaker conference. agree with all that once you get a surrounding cast, it's much better. my kid can't wait either.
but, not sure the hoopla about one kid. yours perhaps?

Anonymous said...

agreed. classics will be fine. i am surprised that VDA took itself out of the running so soon. a year or so may have improved. they have good coaches. ecnl wasn't very successful it's first several years either my recollection.

Anonymous said...

good story @ 8:56. like to hear good things about kids in our Region.

Anonymous said...

856 1031 Agree. we have an exciting group going in to some high profile schools this year. I am hoping they all light it up.

Anonymous said...

8:56 really good story. nice to know that GDA helped her be prepared for college. not riding the pine like a lot of freshman might be.

Anonymous said...

cmon. Just be happy for her and lets hope she does well. Her coaches and Ill guess mostly her family and herself prepared her. Not any one league.

Anonymous said...

7:42 nobody succeeds without pushing themselves. it also helps to have family support (although some have excelled despite not having it). and yes, her current coaching too.

but are you are saying that the GDA add'l practices/some tougher games vs playing high school and that training didn't help? i disagree.

plus if her club had stayed ECNL, then she would not have competed at all ECNL as NE conf only starts games (1 or 2 tops) in December.

Anonymous said...

that makes sense (11:46). also, i think another invite to training/camp happened in the fall.
can almost guarantee that it doesn't occur due to playing high school or not playing at all.

as someone mentioned will be nice to see the progress of the players we know through our kid's experiences.

Anonymous said...

anyone see the score of the U20 2nd game vs. France and U18 3rd game? can't find anything. crickets.
i like supporting the kids.

Anonymous said...

wonder if Jeff Cup will be affected by weather? PA Classics; PF Tourney; VDA Tourney; Manhattan Kick off; even FL was cold and windy for GDA and ECNL. it's been a rough showcase season so far.

Anonymous said...

Slow day. Thought I would post this nugget that i recently learned in speaking with a friend about his kid in another sport in case it applied to anyone out there...

"Unlike the NCAA rules that impose limitations and restrictions as to how and why a Division I or II university can cancel or not renew an athlete’s scholarship, the NAIA rules do not include provisions that prevent a coach from taking an athlete’s scholarship for medical reasons or that require the opportunity for an appeal hearing if a coach wants to cancel an athlete’s scholarship."

lesson - make sure you read up on the league and division your daughter is considering for college sports.

Anonymous said...

@12:44, I just checked. There definitely will be weather, starting Friday right into Sunday :)

Anonymous said...

@12:13
US U20 2-2 vs. France;
US U18 1-1 vs. Norway.

Anonymous said...

12:56 - hahahaha. agreed. there will be weather. any snow, high winds, torrential rains or adverse condition weather? it's been a rough winter season for practicing.

Anonymous said...

1:15 - sr. team is playing tonight vs. england. GO USA!

Anonymous said...

1;39 Just a scrimmage who cares who wins get some new blood in the game to see how they do!

Go TFC!!! and Go Sounders!!! Win and don't give up any goals tonight. Then hold them in Mexico. Go MLS!!!

This is the problem with soccer in the USA. I hope the NYRB, TFC and the Sounders play their reserves over the weekend in their league games and rest the stars for the Champions league games next week or the MLS should reSchedule them.

We care more about a scrimmage and domestic league games than the games that really matter and can impact soccer in the states if we advance and do well.

Anonymous said...

wonder why they did the SBC instead of Algarve Cup? The competition in it has improved tremendously and weather was much better.

Anonymous said...

well, 5:06 to be fair, it's a scrimmage between sr. national teams that are all considered top 10 in world. a little different than what you are suggesting.

Anonymous said...

What am I suggesting? 1st team or not it's still a scrimmage vs the same teams every year to make sure we keep our rank. Not Gotsoccer but FIFA who also uses points similar to Youth Soccer Rankings USA

Yeah I get it
1 Germany 2108 points
2 USA 2105 points
3 France 2072 points
4 England 2022 points

I would rather see our 1st team play to see how we stack up vs the up and coming nations

12 Netherlands 1923
13 Spain 1885
16 Switzerland 1866


Anonymous said...

6:03 me too which is why i questioned not being in Algarve. This SBC came after the Algarve fail.
First year was 2016 as a prep for the Olympics. And that went so well. I guess it did for Germany.
They are all scrimmages essentially except Concacaf, Olympics and WC, right? Men's too. Didn't stop me from going to watch Messi last year in DC or in Philly a few yrs ago.

Anonymous said...

congrats USA sr. WNT win. 1-0 - own goal by english defender. remember when Horan was good?

Anonymous said...

If you all count these games as scrimmages, then you should accept that other players get to on the roster to show their worth no?
How do we develop new talent if they don't get a chance in the game?
This applies to overall girls soccer, startting with GDA

Anonymous said...

1205
yeah I remember
2014 u20 WC and in France as a striker

Anonymous said...

6:49 agree, but impossible to get everyone in GDA games when there are substitution rules similar to FIFA. You have more on the bench then subs allowed.
GDA does have percentage start rules so you will see some change ups in various games. ECNL/USYS are more flexible it seems.

Anonymous said...

12:05 yipee. england doesn't score on itself, US then draws england 0-0 and loses SBCup again. bright spot, Crystal Dunn was great as an OB.

Anonymous said...

OG is true but US high pressure and pino shooting on goal in the mix is what caused the OG no?
I've seen this happen many times, serve the ball in or shoot into the fray and hope for something...

Anonymous said...

high pressure? it was a set piece that the eng OB redirected in due to terrible positioning. she doesn't touch it, gk was in position to get. but i agree. do whatever you can to win. garbage goals still count. that's the way the soccer ball bounces.

Anonymous said...

3/7 1146 Im saying its ridiculous to assign any more relevance to than vs the x number of years she did other things. GDA has had limited impact on current graduating seniors. Using a kids success at this stage to tout GDA is disingenuous.

Anonymous said...

many of these games, including youth, have shown one thing, the gap internationally has closed.

Anonymous said...

i see the posts as simply pointing out the obvious not touting. who would tout any league anymore unless you're a coach.

Anonymous said...

???

Anonymous said...

11:43 is in reference to the sr. team discussion going on above your comment.

Anonymous said...

11:39 so participation in league which turned into another camp invite that didn't exist prior before leaving for college had zero impact? worthless and waste of time, huh, including the camp? okay.

Anonymous said...

1157. Worthless is your word. Im not minimizing GDA. Im just not maximizing it like you are. You seem to want to pick out one event as the key. I dispute that. Making a player takes a long time and many events. None necessarily any more significant than the next.

Anonymous said...

1157...you talk about tough games. How many a. did she actually play in and b. how many were tough ? The GDA will hopefully help the younger kids over time. For the older ones, I believe it is too late to be a difference maker.

Very few players at that level did not train during the ECNL off season. To suggest she would be doing nothing if not for GDA may be true, but I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

must be your kid, no?

so looked at the scoreboard for tough games. she played in 7 last one looks like PDA win; mostly tough ones it seems.

PDA - loss and win; would think a loss was tough.
when was the camp? after PDA win or before?

FC VA - win and win; usually good tough games.

VDA (just went ECNL for next year i think) win (rout 10-0) didn't play in the next (5-0).

PA Classics - win, but looks like maybe Classics gave it a game (5-2) didn't play in the next (6-0).

Wash Spirit-MD - win (rout 8-1; vs JC another nattie; surely USSF was all over this). they can give a tough game, but appears this one easily handled.

so yes not a lot, but enough it seems.

i'm not giving the GDA the full credit. just that it provided an opportunity for her to continue to train and compete. most likely helped for the invite to camp. opportunity that's all.

Anonymous said...

Every Girl starting and playing significant minutes on a GDA team should have an opportunity to go to a regional camp. The problem is, there are too many teams. So USSF needs to build a better pyramid and designate clubs differently by utilizing the USYS, ECNL, GDA model. If GDA is to be the 2nd highest rung on the pyramid below NT there should be fewer teams per region that are fed by the ECNL and USYS teams. Let everyone know (Just like College D1, D2, D3) who is the top and what you are shooting for. DA scouts are already at USYS and ECNL matches/showcases scouting so it would not be a stretch to leverage this model. And as was originally scoped the DA is a USSF Run entity. All of the current clubs that are "Top Tier" keep their current models, the only ones impacted are the DA designated clubs converting to USSF management. Take the 150M and build that.

Anonymous said...

2:42 I like that suggestion - would just tweak it a bit.

With GDA being below the Pyramid

D1: 8 regional teams (Free)
D2: 200 Clubs take all the top clubs (Max $1,500 tuition, excludes Kits and travel - still need to pay the coaches) and make all the others Rec Sport teams with a Tuition under $100 per player.

Anonymous said...

144 no, not my kid. No way i would be on this board if my kid was already in College. the desire to look over history and assign significance to events is kinda comical. You say helped with camp invite, but seriously, what relevance is that? Has she been back? Has it led to a U-20 call up? I get the prestige of it, but having direct info on said camp, she barely played.

Personally I think parents whose kids do not go to camps have a misconception as to value. I would take my kid out of camps if I thought it had no impact down the line. The training is better at her Club without the disruption and injury risk. At this stage, better prepping for College and letting that resume talk as opposed to going to camp after camp, travel, injury risk etc.

Anonymous said...

333 interesting stuff. but, i'm not sure what you mean.
are you saying it has no impact or that it does?
not following - "would take out if had no impact." by removing the player then subject to no additional invites or punitive treatment that way? is that what you mean?
are there some that say, no thanks; not interested because maybe they are just not interested in the camps anymore? just wondering.

Anonymous said...

3:33 agree. get through the rest of the season and move to the next stage. the journey continues.

Anonymous said...

324 ha perfect. these fees are crazy. USSF should be putting up some of its 150 mil to help defray the expenses.

Anonymous said...

442 Exactly that. Declining camp invites may be use against a player down the line even if the reason was a very good one. USSF make it pretty clear that they expect kids to put them before everything.

Anonymous said...

242 you're suggestion is great. too. they need to do something. they created a mess.

Anonymous said...

the whole YNT thing is out of whack. The USSF have that part very wrong. You need to de-emphasize it, not play it up. You need to see as many kids as possible. You need to use it as a filter. y the END of the road you should have an idea of who you want to track, but also an open mind.

No kids should be multiple invitees unless building for a WC and that is , to me, a 6month thing, not 18.

College should be a chance to put more tape out there. Any player who really want to be on the NT stage should want to be there at the end. We spend way too much time on the beginning.

Anonymous said...

true that. but then what would the clubs do? lol

Anonymous said...

511 - that's crazy. life happens.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup - how many have had practices? weather in our area (NY) has been crazy.

Anonymous said...

have a younger kid playing and on one of those blogs there is buzz about coaching changes at some clubs. anyone have any insight about which clubs?

Eric Harris said...

Just in case any of you are bored and want to watch a game. Should be a pretty good game to watch.

Saturday March 10, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Sky Blue - PDA U18/U19 DA vs Penn Fusion U18/U19 DA (PA)

Livestream Game Link Video Start Time Saturday March 10, 2018 4:45 pm
Videostreaming start time will begin 10-15 mins prior to kickoff
http://thecube.com/e/785075


Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

thanks Eric. Looked for the livestream of the game in November at PF. Is it saved anywhere?

Eric Harris said...

Yeah its on my Vimeo where all the DA are uploaded.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

got it thanks. much appreciated!
saw the october one you posted; didn't see the november one.
was hoping to check it out before this upcoming one. more snow. stay warm ya'll.

Anonymous said...

what a great tool. how does that work? i thought US Soccer owned the livestreaming rights to its games. do you need to have releases from everyone? other leagues should consider as well.

Anonymous said...

http://the18.com/soccer-news/algarve-cup-cancels-final

NEVER would happen on the men's soccer!! Major kick in the ass for women's side!

Anonymous said...

this is such a PF forum. if PF have a rough weekend in the GDA ...crickets !! There were more comments on the PF NYCFC scrimmage than last weeks PDA game. What gives ?

Anonymous said...

You answered your own question didn't you?
Both older PF teams lost to PDA, sooo....
Wait til this weekend when they play 2 weaker teams then blogs will start up again.

Anonymous said...

I guess I did. I mean we even got commentary ion a kid who is no longer at the Club !! PDA are the ultimate depth Club. they just grind you down over the course of 90 mins with discipline, solid play adn little drop off. they dont have many headliners, but they have no passengers.

Anonymous said...

Sp PDA blog instead? :)

Anonymous said...

One of the reasons that the blog may not be reporting much on the game was that one of the kids was badly hurt. The result are put in perspective by that event.

Anonymous said...

What happened? Foul or just freak injury?

Anonymous said...

Risk is part of the game. Kids playing very hard at the highest level.

Anonymous said...

956 def not. they rarely comment. Eric Harris does and he is pro everyone.

Anonymous said...

1148 Risk is not limited to playing hard or the level you play at. Kids go down i training non contact .

Anonymous said...

Whatever Einstein. Point was sh** happens. kids playing an important game at the highest level and a kid was hurt.

Anonymous said...

kid(s) were hurt. i heard in several age groups. shame.
and didn't they win scrimmage vs NYFSC? but, not sure what you people are talking about. no one discusses scrimmages. and i don't think after the win in Nov vs, PDA there was a lit up the board.
we are all just trying to get through the next several months and get the kids on to their next journey, safely.
up next, Jeff Cup.

Anonymous said...

3:16 @9:09 agree 100% teams like PDA have no soft roster spots. there are a few of them. would say in our area, only PDA takes that prize. would like to see the kids they don't take.

in any game, it's very tough to play a top to bottom solid roster against a handful of top level kids and then fillers. the top level kids simply can't babysit teammates in games like that. they can babysit in weak games but solid teams, no time.

that is what makes this "highest level" term a joke. not all the kids are.

Anonymous said...

Agreed.
There is a suggested fix if USSF would consider. Don't lock the rosters. Handle it like baseball and majors vs. tripleA. Kids that are improving bring up from either younger squads or pre-academy. Kids that need work send to pre-academy.

they should consider this for their YNT teams, too. Have a secondary squad that is available for spots and add'l training for kids that aren't getting it done on top team. For the sr NT teams, that is probably the NWSL/MLS (and the other guys leagues).

Invest in the whole of the system instead of the some.

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Anonymous said...

1141 Just remember its a destination club and part of the problem in some ways. when the best player on a rival leaves to be the 3rd best player at a destination club, it just tips the balance even more. This is how parents operate. It becomes self fulfilling. There are pros and cons, but thats how it is.

Anonymous said...

1158 U18 WNT loses 6-0 the Hollnad. Dutch federation press says the US players played like corpses. SHould they replace the whole team>

Eric Harris said...

Awwwww another week down the tubes and just can't wait for the big B-QUE. Honestly I am trying to organize one before these ladies leave for school. I sure hope you are all in. Maybe we should be the first age group to start a college forum or link so that we can keep in touch throughout college with updates. At that point we should be playing with house money and this phase will be past up. Still can you remember when they all were U8 mannnnnnnn that was just yesterday.

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

No. Not everyone played a part in the loss. Would invite others though. Mix it up.

Anonymous said...

No. Not everyone played a part in the loss. Would invite others though. Mix it up.

Anonymous said...

Yes in general they don't look at enough kids to feel even close to confident that they have identified a fair representation of the best kids in the country for events. They also don't always give kids a fair look when they are there.

Anonymous said...

very simple eye test. Do we think the very best kids in our own region are well represented ? If yes, fine. If no, why do you think that is?

Anonymous said...

Some of the picks in all groups are still political.

Anonymous said...

340 i dont know other groups, but i know this area pretty well. Unless our players are not as good as we think, we are sorely underrepped. Basis who is selected, we have players at that level who dont get a sniff.

Anonymous said...

What is the eye test in two draws and 6-0 loss? Isn't that an indicator that maybe bubble kids should be a look/see?

Anonymous said...

Agreed. What is the harm in training others as well? How does widening the search hurt?

Anonymous said...

We spend incredible resources on only a few. It would definitely help to widen the net.

Anonymous said...

250
It is arguable whether some of the kids included are the best kids on their teams.

Anonymous said...

@3:48 meant to say bubble kids as far as call ups (are on the bubble) should get a look/see as well. not bubble kids in the camp. agree with some other posters, would would be the harm?
I like the secondary squad idea, too. keeps the competition spirited.

Anonymous said...

So what is the deal with the GDA rosters? Someone mentioned that they are locked. So no new players on a roster until next season?
ECNL is open until early May. Can they pull up from development academy? When does that shut down, if they can?

Anonymous said...

1. they already have secondary payers, some camps are 28 kids.
2. My question re this area was not meant to slight any kids. Just a simple eye test from those here who clearly watch our own regional games. Personally I dont think the best players from out region are even selected, Either I dont know what a good player is or the USSF are looking for something I dont see. either way, the results in the last 12 months have not been good for this group.

the argument that a few key players missing ( playing on the U-20s) are the reason does not hold water. Smith scored most of th goals for this group and was then elevated. There are kids who do not get picked every bit as good as those kids on the 20s imo.

I question how the USSF can truly scout players by watching for 20 mins at a showcase. How do you compare kid a on a loaded team with kid B on a much weaker one? I think thats a big part of it. The dossiers on some palyers are far far bigger than others becasue coaches see some kids a lot more than others. they find the good and ignore the flaws.

Bottom line a 0-6 loss as some of these kids are about to enter College should be very alarming given the sheer number of camps many of these girls have attended.

Anonymous said...

"they already have secondary payers"
Payers of big $$
Freudian slip? :)

Anonymous said...

yes and no ,,,not a Club soccer reference so not really relevant. But yes on most teams its hard to differentiate the Payers from the Players.

Anonymous said...

Now this is funny stuff.

Anonymous said...

3/20 - no other camp comments? just got in re Jeff Cup. Field switches going on; should be interesting. good luck to all participants.

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