The ECNL has spoken:ECNL Directors of Coaching:On August 24, 2015, the US Soccer Federation announced several significant changes to the youth competition environment to be implemented in the coming years. Fundamentally, these changes have been made in the interests of long term player development and can be placed into 2 major categories: (i) player age group cut-off dates; and (ii) small-sided game structures and sizes. (To read the full US Soccer announcement click here.)As a league sanctioned by US Club Soccer (a national association member of US Soccer), the ECNL is required to follow the rules, regulations and policies of US Soccer – including these new mandates. As a developmentally focused organization, the ECNL also supports any attempts to create a better environment for youth players. The recent US Soccer mandates will have an impact on almost every facet of youth competition in this country. Of immediate importance to ECNL clubs, these mandates – and especially the change to calendar year registration – will require adjustments to the structure of ECNL competition. Since US Club Soccer and other national sanctioning bodies have determined to implement the calendar year age group change beginning in the 2016-17 competition season –this adjustment will occur in ECNL competition in less than 12 months. The changes that will be implemented by the ECNL are outlined below and in the attached document.ECNL Changes Due to Birth Year Registration / Age Group Cut-Offs: EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1, 2016Beginning August 1, 2016, ECNL teams will be formed using the new age group cut-off date of January 1. The most significant impact of this change is that teams will now generally consist of players in two different school years; in other words, players born from January 1 to July 31 will generally be a year older in school than the players born from August 1 to December 31. To accommodate the structural challenges imposed by these changes, ECNL competition will be structured as follows in 2016-2017:Age GroupBirth Year (Jan 1)ECNL National Event RequirementU17/181998/1999 (Juniors/Seniors)2 Regular Season ECNL National EventsU162000 (Sophomores/Juniors)3 Regular Season ECNL National EventsU152001 (Freshman/Sophomores)3 Regular Season ECNL National EventsU142002 (8th Graders/Freshman)1 Regular Season ECNL National EventsU132003 (7th Graders/8th Graders)Optional Regular Season ECNL Events OnlyThe new ECNL competition structure outlined above addresses several challenges imposed by the mandates:· U17/18 Players: The combination of the U17 and U18 age groups has a positive developmental impact by insuring U17 players play “up” while also addressing the inherent player shortage that would otherwise occur in “pure” U18 competition in a calendar-based age group. (This shortage occurs because in a calendar-based age group every year a percentage of “rising U18s” will actually be graduating from high school and will no longer be participating in youth soccer.)· College Showcasing: As the oldest ECNL age group will now include a high percentage of juniors in high school, this age group will have increased collegiate showcasing needs. Accordingly, this age group will now have 2 required ECNL National Events each year to allow appropriate showcasing. The total number of required ECNL events per club will remain the same (9 per year), as the youngest age group including freshman aged players will only have 1 event.· 5 Years of ECNL Competition. For development reasons, it is important to maintain five years of ECNL competition for players. By using a January 1 age group cut-off, the youngest age group in the ECNL will now technically be labeled U13 – although this age group will actually include players that are only 6 months younger than would have entered the ECNL in previous years. The U17 (99) NPL teams will be interesting
Why do you say the U17 (99) NPL teams will be interesting? Won't they also be U17/18 teams as in ECNL?
There will never be anything interesting on any NPL team.
At this one age group there will be a lot of junior in high school you here in the birth year that, for the first time, drop off the ecnl roster. This will be because they will be forced to tryout for the 98/99 u18 team next year. That team has been playing together for some time and now these youngest p layers in the age range will fall off the ecnl roster for a year until they try out for u18 again as the older since again. Meanwhile they will populate a u17 NPL team that may be unusually strong with these former ecnl players. Kind of analogous to the off year "pre- academy" phenomena for boys da. Always a strong u15 and u17 off year us club pre academy team that catches these players.
Blah, blah, blah....
Hope you have a 00 and not a 99 or play low level on a team that will"stay together"
I too am surprised the 99 ECNL u16 players aren't up in arms. How many of them will make the 98 roster let alone have anywhere near the same impact on the u17/18 teams next year? I agree lots of good but not great u17/18 NPL teams next year
SAC united a USYSA national league team goes 0-3 with -11 gd at WAGS. Very sad day when that's what is representing USYSAs best. Love the motto "earn your place" but apparently there isn't much left to compete for those "places".
Can't speak specifically for SAC United, but I do know that this time of year with girls playing high school as well as injuries can make it tough on some club teams. Would not be surprised if they were not at full strength as many other teams were not. I will say a middle of the pack National League team from last season and a current National League team this year in United FA looked dominant this weekend including a 3-2 win over a highly ranked ECNL team. I realize how easy it is to target one team and then make rash generalizations, but still plenty of very strong competition outside of ECNL. Teams playing ECNL as well as teams playing in the US Youth Soccer National League are all very fortunate. No reason to attack one or the other.
National League has been weakened with the addition of two of the top teams now to the ECNL JFC and TopHat. It is eroding. Definitely less competition than ECNL just a fact. I think Penn Strikers would do very well in ECNL. I do not think they would win the champions league since they largely struggled with FC VA last year and Fc VA was a very good, but not great ECNL team.
Tophat and JFC are dominating ECNL so far. I wonder if Tophat felt the competition was great when they beat Orlando City 7-0 or Carolina Elite 4-0. I wonder if JFC felt their ECNL game against GSA was competitive (another 7-0 game). I can look all over the ECNL and see blowouts here and there. I am not knocking the league, just saying because you have ECNL next to you name does not automatically make you great. There are plenty of strong non-ECNL teams as well as plenty of weak ECNL teams. Listen, there is both good and bad competition to go around for everyone! Sit back and enjoy your kid and her team! No need to trash other leagues.
Everyone knew the southeast conference was weak that's why they took jfc and tophat. I remember some pretty big blowouts for them last year in region 3 pl and national league. Probably will be interesting to check the goal differentials between the two and look at their showcase scores to compare to national league.
So I checked the region 3 premier league and national league standings for the last year. Tophat had a +29 GC and 7-0 record in the regional league and even more compelling a 7-0 +21 GD in the National league. The closest games in tournaments were largely against ECNL teams and one of the 2, RPL games that was within 2 goals was given to them by the Solar Chelsea B team. They had all tough games at USYSA nationals. Tying 2 (one to FC PA) and losing 1. Their ECNL record is 8-0-2 with a +18 GD. Yup first game 7-0 to OC, but they OC seem to be improving now. I am guessing that Tophat thinks that the ECNL, even in their weak conference, is better competition than both the more comparable R3PL and probably even the national league. PA strikers only competed with NEFC which is now out of USYSA into NPL and FC VA- now 100% ECNL and no longer participating in USYSA. YMS was decent competition, but they've broken up. Let's see who they have to compete with this year. Though having lost a few key players to the ECNL may make them less competitive too. Looks like the ECNL is winning the arms race for the top teams. I personally don't like it because I think a team should have to earn a spot to play top competition, but it is what it is. Teams getting reorganized next year so entirely different landscape after this season for our kids' last 2 years.
What happened to concerns for player development, I don't care what league they play in, isn't it about player development? people on here refer to these leagues like their daughters are playing professionally already. Come on now in a couple of years more than 50% of them probably wont be playing soccer. I guess for some they must think they need to be the best and do whatever they have to convince themselves it is the best. What a joke.
The competition level is directly related to the player's available developmental opportunity. To put it plainly for you who seems confused regarding the purpose of the discussion: if your child is consistently playing down a level, she is being robbed of developmental opportunity. That indeed is the point of the league related discussion. Hence, your 3:26 commentary is misdirected on your developmental "point". Further, your comments on development and player attrition are dichotomous. Who cares about development if the players are not going to play at the next level? Players playing for Tophat and Pa strikers will ALL play in college. The vast majority of the players on ECNL teams will play in college. Your commentary, as it were, sir or madame is the joke.
The biggest joke (but not necessarily a funny one) is when we deny ourselves of the reality that things are not the way they used to be. The shift of elite youth soccer away from USYS's regional / national leagues towards US Club's ECNL / NPL leagues has been happening for a number of years. This clearly shows that youth soccer is not a static environment but rather adaptable to changing wants and needs. And, in ten years from now things will inevitably be different from what they are today.There is a team for every level of player and leagues for all levels of teams. The challenge is to find the right team / league not to hope that they be something that they are not or used to be.Those who think otherwise have their heads stuck in the sand and are denying their players of developmental opportunities.
@3:26Player development is not that important if as you say, my kid has probably only has 2 years of playing soccer left. I guess it’s time to stop worrying about development and go out and play to win! Eleven years of development now go get’em girl!
let the girls play while they may. reality is in a few years some of them will lose interest with sports, hopefully for better reasons than injury. If or when that happens what will we as parents have to do? I am dreaded the day myself.
So we are starting to shift back to thoughts of club soccer and into a very important recruitment year. I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college? I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal. Did the kids pick 10 (or some other finite number) schools to target/ Are they going or planning on going to ID camps? Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process? Are they planning on cold writing to coaches with their fall/winter schedule and showcases? Do many already have some established contacts? Are some "regular" kids being watched by the schools already? Do these kids prefer a school about which they knew nothing prior to the initial contact, but now are considering a school not previously on their radar, simply because of the soccer interest? Not concerned over ECNL or Non ECNL just what is the reality of kids at this point in their soccer adventure? I am not talking about national team kids, but kids in the next tier and below.
@8:14 - I know of kids on USYS teams that are in contact with coaches. Most of the girls have attended ID camps of the schools they are interested in, but the primary interest has come from coaches that have seen them play at tournaments or regional events. I think this is probably the most important factor, more so than attending an ID camp. Attending ID camps might get you on their radar, but they will want to know where the girls will be playing so they can watch them. Being able to play at events in the same geographic region as the school is also important, unless it's big enough to draw coaches from all over the country like Disney, or PDA.Some of the interest is coming from their targeted schools, and some is coming from schools that were off the radar initially. The schools range from D3 to top 25 D1 schools.I would consider them 'regular kids' - none have been to national camps, or even regional camps. Just good kids on a good team that plays at regional events.
@ 8:14, to answer a fewQ -“I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college?”A - My daughter wants to play in college, she has the skill but I give it a 50/50 chance that she ultimately follows through with the process.Q - “I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal.”A – She has cold written several schools but is truly only interested in a few. She has been & will continue to attend school specific camps. She does not want to attend any camps that are not exclusive to that specific school.Q - Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process?A – No, not yet anyway. I trust that will start soon. Her coached was not in favor of freshmen getting to close to a school at that age. Q - Do many already have some established contacts?A – She has contact with one of her top choices, they want to see her SAT scores before proceeding further. It’s not a high level soccer school but they have high level academic standards. My daughter has what I consider a solid plan in place that started out with basics last year & ramps up till her Junior year when she is hoping to get some legit offers. She is by definition a “regular player” = not in the top group of top kids in our state but can play effectively with & against them.
(1) I am wondering if most of the people on this board expect their daughters to play in college? @No, takes too much time off academics. (2) I also am wondering what they are doing to help them achieve this goal. @Nothing, she's not playing(3) Did the kids pick 10 (or some other finite number) schools to target/ Are they going or planning on going to ID camps? @No(4) Are their club coaches reaching out to college coaches with whom they have established relationships or otherwise helping them along with the process? @yes(5) Are they planning on cold writing to coaches with their fall/winter schedule and showcases? @No(6)Do many already have some established contacts? @not mine(7) Are some "regular" kids being watched by the schools already? @define "regular"(8) Do these kids prefer a school about which they knew nothing prior to the initial contact, but now are considering a school not previously on their radar, simply because of the soccer interest? @are you kidding me? your kid's gonna go to College to play soccer or get an education?Having answered that, we're still going to go to NEWSS, CASL, NPL Showcase in Disney and play in the NPL League and spend about $7,000-8,000 this year for soccer.Because we are crazy.
7 my definition of regular are non national team kids roster rank 5-20 on ECNL or national league teams or top 10 state teams.8 how does a 9th grader or 10th grader even know where she wants to go or wants to do? A larger university which offers a wide range of majors might be a great option especially if they show interest in her soccer and she wants to play. I don't see anything wrong with that course of action. If she has a major she is passionate about and the school that showed interest in her doesn't offer it then that's another story. I am not referring to that type of focused student. Mine is all over the place so any big university will have it covered. It will be what she makes of it anyway.
Thank you for the clarification. I don't think anyone of the girls in my daughter's team is in that class. Mine surely isn't in the top of the roster, so soccer scholarship is definitely out of scope.She's pretty smart and will get the grades, also practical, she wants to make as much money coming out of college and we think engineering is the way to go. It's going to be a job that pays the bills to be able to live a good life, live in a good place, travel, eat out, etc. So in short we're going to enjoy this season, maybe our last in academy soccer, and file it away in the good memories section. We're buying the experience.
I like your post 1039. I am sick of people telling me I am wasting my money when my kid is very happy and we, as a family, are very much enjoying the ride. People telling me forget about a scholarship, that's pie in the sky so spend the soccer money on a tutor. Who are they on here to even know what my child's level is or more imporatnatly will be?
There are not a lot of "developmental opportunities" for players with limited means to pay for them. The lower cost teams and leagues are disrespected and abandoned. Solutions for the players with talent and a small budget are imperfect and limited. Oh well, but just because a player can play does not mean they have access to a top league.
I think this is because most of the lower cost teams (Rec, Town Travel) do not have qualified trainers and coaches. This costs time, money and commitment. There may be exceptions, but for the most part, these "low-cost" teams are low cost because they are not dedicated professionals who hold National Class A or EU equivalent. It wasn't out of disrespect we left town travel - they could not take my daughter to the next level. I don't know what the solution to that may be.
The kids who can really play get scholarships at ECNL clubs but they still usually have to come up with travel money. You can send your kid with another family and save some flights and food. But it still is expensive. I have seen some kids not go to the distant showcases and only playing in the ECNL games, CASL and Jeff cup. Split a hotel with another mom and kid and drive and it's doable for most. Maybe go to playoffs as the big splurge and PDA recruiting fest which doesn't require a hotel for many. If a kid is good enough to get a ECNL scholarship then she's good enough for a D1 scholarship which should help with the family finances.
No one begrudges any well off player a high quality product. But you need to get out more if you think it is doable for most. It is doable for some. Go to the play offs for a big splurge. LOL. A big debt on the credit card is more like it!
yes that would be a splurge...
splurge: an act of spending money freely or extravagantlyDoes not mean incurring debt.
Ok whatever. I am saying many of us would "splurge" and or put some debt on a credit card to give our child the opportunity to play in the champions league Not all but I don't think most of us were shelling out cash in Seattle.
Your player is fortunate to have such great experience and opportunity. Good luck to her.
Looks like the "starters" have prevailed over the evil empire and get to keep all the points for themselves.
Is that the yms issue?
The Majority of the gotsoccer points that people spent so long fighting for will disappear in a couple of months as they were won between November and January of last year . GS points only last one year.
It seems sadly misguided as some are on their 3rd or 4th team in as many years.
For many and as suggested by the often used proverb, "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" but this all changes once they find themselves over there trampling it.
I was looking at the U.S. Club soccer new age chart for the new rules .and it looks like girls born in 1999 lose a year of eligibility as they will be u-18 next year and not u-17 . If you are born in 1998 like the current u-17!girls are you are not permitted to play at all . How do these soccer gurus thinks this is fair ?
All the oldest groups of competition are and will continue to be u19. Most clubs will field as they often already do a u18/19 combined team and most competitions will, as they often currently do, run u17 and then skip to u19. Look at the Bethesda and casl flights for example. Your child won't lose a year of eligibility. She will play the same number of years of youth soccer as her 00 classmates. Just on a different team likely next year and then they bounce back together for senior year. The oldest teams will simply combine age groups and the competition managers will be well aware and manage tournament flights accordingly. Similarly the ECNL will combine the top 2 age groups. Where that's a problem is only next year when the 99s will have to break into an established 98/99 team. Thereafter the oldest birth years still in high school will play the oldest age group twice and they will essentially wait for their younger classmates and the olders in the class below to join them in the oldest age group for their senior year. Relax your child won't be shorted a year.
Anyone with a post-August birthday will lose a year of eligibility. Just look at the the US Youth Soccer Age Chart. If your daughter has a birthday in December '99 (for example) she has two years left. Under the current system she would have had 3.
Does that really matter though? Won't all of the '99 girls be college aged by then. How many '99s really would plan on coming back and playing YOUTH soccer. There will be U20 ADULT leagues for them if they really want to keep playing while they attend college and/or work.
Not sure if 9:08's table is accurate ... the following link presents a table which essentially gives one additional year of "eligibility" to every age group and is consistent with USSDA, ODP, etc. type age assignments.http://www.nyswysa.org/docs/SOCCERMANDATES/USYS-NEW-SOCCER-AGE-CHART-2016-BIRTH-YEAR-MATRIX%20v1.pdfThe 2016-2017 season will look more like this with the '98's being the older Seniors who's birth-year teammates will be away at college creating the need to combine U18's with U17's.U17/18- 1998/1999 (Juniors/Seniors)U16 -2000 (Sophomores/Juniors)U15 -2001 (Freshman/Sophomores)U14 -2002 (8th Graders/Freshman)U13 - 2003 (7th Graders/8th Graders)The U17/18 age group has the potential for a large pool of players but this will be offset by the fact that seniors often elect not to play or have limited availability due to other commitments and interests during their last year in high school.
The chart that 9:08 linked to is from the US Youth Soccer site, and is the same as the one here: 2015 Player Development
Regardless of their classification (U17, U18, U19), no group of players is going to be denied a year of eligibility ... take off your drama hats and use some common sense.
Anyone know what happened to the MF NPL team? I heard it was disbanded. Wonder if MF is having difficulties keeping teams.
@ 1:54pmMF NPL team is still up and running. Whoever gave you that if is wrong, probably not a good source to be quoting.
Feel sorry for the 99s next year
Does anyone know when the Region 1 Champions League schedules/acceptances are going to be posted? They said there would be a delay, but this is ridiculous...
The acceptance notifications have been sent to the teams (all the teams that applied were accepted). Division announcements should be made soon (their words) and schedules won't be out for a while.
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