Wednesday, September 25, 2013

U15G - U15 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 15 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

During this transition from middle school soccer to high school soccer, teams seem to change as quickly as the players do.

Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

Ussf created the "closed system" for boys. The clubs simply copied the model for the girls when they saw it as the economic and prestige getter it was for the boys. They proved that you don't need the ussf sanction to have the draw. The difference so far is that ussf have dropped and added DA clubs. For example they dropped Potomac and added Bethesda. They waited years to do this. The ecnl is less mature. Some of the clubs that they might have considered dropping are strengthening with mergers gone wild this year. The landscape (teams) hasn't stabilized in many markets.

The top of the youth soccer pyramid (yes there is one) currently is the ynt. Below that is Bradenton or Europe then DA for boys and ecnl and a few top national level teams for girls.
There won't be a change in the us until the clubs can sell the players they develop and use the funds to further develop players. AJAX is famous for this model. Girls will most likely never be valuable commodities in the market and so will be only able to gather crumbs from the boys as in Barcelona feminine teams.

When the money is in the sale of individual players rather than in winning teams, then we will see a change in development in the us.

Anonymous said...

9:46 / 2:09

I read the articles and do listen to the arguments. Just disagree.

Anonymous said...

Curious what other teams summer practice schedule looks like with HS soccer cranking up. We have practice one day a week and a soccer summer camp (4 days) that the girls are asked to attend.

Anonymous said...

Other so called academies as charging as much as PDA and their training is awful. So don't think that PDA is the most expensive around.
Also some tier 2 and 3 academies offer zero training and exposure but they bill you 2,800 which does not include tournaments.

Anonymous said...

Academies will charge what the market pays.

Like many other things in life 'more money' does not necessarily mean better. 'Less money' does not necessarily mean worse.

Tough for me to come down to hard on any parent based purely on economics. The $250 per season we pay is considered expensive to our sitter team that only costs $150.

Whatever you pay, expectations should be met. Often they are not but that is as much true of the expensive academy teams as it is the lower cost club teams.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I assume you are paying $250 for fall and $250 for spring? I'm curious what does $250 include? How many practices, what league, uniform, any tournaments or are those extra. What is total cost of the season? That number is very reasonable, what is the coach like?



Anonymous said...

How about the "trainer" fees. How about turf or indoor facilities.

Anonymous said...

I can see now why you seem so shocked at ECNL expenses...

Anonymous said...

$250 is per season and includes league reg, carding and 3 - 4 tournaments per season. 17 players.
Uniforms are extra ($100) but the last set lasted 6 seasons.

Training, one session per week for 10 weeks is $100 but you pay per session. You do not have to pay if you miss.

So, in calculating it out now, instead of just from memory, the average player is paying $350 per season (or $450 if they need a uniform).

Our training indoors is done in schools and there is no charge. Some of our tournaments are indoors.

Financially it works for us but that $350 is actually a full $100 more than the just 12 months ago as the team is competing in more and more tournaments (I have mixed feelings on that). It's a happy group that plays a nice game (heading towards THE GAME hopefully) and is competitive up to a certain level.

If its a matter of "going to North Carolina to play in college or bust" this is not the team for that. If its "I want to learn the game and play at a competitive level so I can play 'somewhere' in college, perhaps more DIII and even DII. Sure ,I think the program and training can get it done and meet this expectation for those that are headed that way.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

I think ECNL costs are frequently exaggerated. My kid's not on an ECNL team and we pay around $2000 per year. That includes 8-10 tournaments, league fees, club fees, and coach/training fees. That does not include travel costs for the players and families. That can run several hundred dollars more (and up) depending on what tournaments we play in. I know of other teams in neighboring clubs that pay upwards of $3000 per year for similar arrangements.

I think the travel for the ECNL teams is what can add up. Depending on where you are, half of your league games will require some form of travel & hotels. Some of the tournaments will be the same, but a few more will require travel.

From some of the information I've seen, there are ECNL teams that are in the $2500 range, plus travel, so it's not really that much different, especially if the ECNL fees include summer camps, which most club team fees don't include.

Anonymous said...

Rider Cup brackets out. Anyone care?

Anonymous said...

Yep, I know of at least one club team that is $900 per season (not in this age bracket). In truth though, that is the only team I know that is even close to this number at a club level. But in truth I know (or care) the very least about the economics of a team.

IMHO and based on their play they are not getting their money's worth. Only the trainer and the numerous tournament organizers would seem to benefit.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

As one person's experience on 2 different clubs, there is little comparison between the two. I'll list out for you the the costs:

$2500 annual fee
Extortionist uniform fees that you must buy from the preferred supplier $600
Winter fundraiser minimum $400
Summer fundraiser $100
"Non-mandatory camps" $400
Coaches "Non-mandatory" side camps $600
2-3 events requiring flights $4000-7000
ECNL Regional League Travel $1500
Other regional tournaments $1500

This may be a little exaggerated but not far off, but I doubt there is a comparison with non-ECNL clubs. I also don't know what world you live in, but a 20% base price increase, $2000 versus $2500 is significant in my book. I'm not complaining, but it is the truth. NPL clubs that are successful won't do much better.

Anonymous said...

Realistically, This is what you can pay if you are smart:

$2500 annual fee
Extortionist uniform fees that you must buy from the preferred supplier $200
Winter fundraiser minimum $75
Summer fundraiser $25
"Non-mandatory camps" $500
Coaches "Non-mandatory" side camps $1000
2-3 events requiring flights $2500-3000
Approx 10-15 overnight hotel stays over the course of an entire season
$1500(greatly reduced by use of points, miles, etc.)

One person's $15000 is another person's $8000. Still a ridiculous amount of money to pay for soccer that isn't even quality soccer. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

Yes but I think we agree that $2500 is the tip of the iceberg.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for response DC. It seems like you have found a nice match for your daughter and what your willing to spend for the experience. The current youth soccer structure and all of its choices is not effecting you or your daughters seemingly positive interaction with youth soccer. Well done market place.

I'm personally glad that the soccer market (dictated by consumer demand) has provided an array of choices so that girls and families can pick something they enjoy and can afford. If you were to look at our ECNL cost and had to break it down, the number of times we practice (all year at $2200) I bet the cost per practice is roughly the same. We practice 2-3 (sometimes 4) times a week in season and 1 time a week out of season, plus the $2200 includes a week of soccer camp. Couple that with the fact that we do not have to pay for uniforms, the club has a sponsor.

We play Delco, Jeff Cup, Annandale tourney, Bethesda tourney and a Presidents day tourney. We also travel locally to scrimmage different teams at no additional cost.

ECNL travel is the cost. For us it was to OH / IN twice, Richmond and Greer SC. We qualified for Champions League and that will put us in Seattle so that's an expensive trip. Drove to all the trips but Seattle. Excluding Seattle I have 7 nights in hotel and gas for driving. Lets call it an additional $2000 which includes food. So my ECNL season is $4200 to $4500. We do do fundraisers but the kids do that and they make money to defray the cost lets say my cost is roughly $500 cheaper than the cost I'm giving you. My complaint would be that it is too much soccer and time not too expensive.

That said it is nice that there are alternatives and in most cases girls can find a nice program that both they as a player and a parent who is paying can enjoy.

Anonymous said...

7:49 "I'm personally glad that the soccer market (dictated by consumer demand)" Your post is correct, but you have to wonder whether a market based approach to soccer is good for the development of Youth Soccer or National Soccer. I get the idea that I have worked hard and therefore I can afford to buy a Porsche, it sounds kind of odd when you say it as, I have worked hard and I've earned the right to send my kid to a soccer academy. It's true, but it is a sad state when economics drive whether a kid is afforded all of the opportunities to achieve her full potential. I am glad that we have soccer choices, but I am not glad that we have a market based soccer economy. I think we'd be much better suited to an open system where kids are free to change teams and teams are free to cut and add players based on ability, and having an free academy such as the Red Bulls where the kids that emerge from an open system are invited to camps and potentially to join an academy program. The market economy approach to soccer ensures that only certain kids will continue to develop and grow. There are a ton of kids that view "soccer as life" in Central Jersey Youth Soccer, South Jersey Youth Soccer, and North Jersey Youth Soccer who do not really know about academies and have never been exposed to academies a lot based in large part on economics. Those kids have no less love or passion for the game.

But you post is by and large correct, we just differ on whether that is a good thing.

Anonymous said...

Kids can leave teams and teams can cut players? There is usually a time period like a year but it happens every year for sure. It's nice that the Red Bulls form a few academy teams and pay for it but they can do that because they make money on the professional team. Average attendance is 20,000, compare that to the average attendance of a women's league game (less than 3,000). There is no money in women's soccer its a struggling league. If that is what your hoping for it won't happen. The bottom line - nothing is for free, someone is paying for it, if not you than someone else.

Enjoy the World Cup.

Anonymous said...

Again the European professional academies are free to a few of the players because they are funded by the sale of the players when they become of age ( prime example AJAX) Or conversely from the savings that home grown players bring to club that then doesn't need to budget nearly as much for player purchases ( prime example Barcelona ) These players are ALL obviously boys. The girls get a bone.
Regarding youth development at these academies, all efforts are directed at the development of individual players because the individual players are the economically valuable commodity. The youth teams exist only as a vehicle for individual player development. Hence the results of the youth teams have no value.
Until a club can sell a player as in the rest of the world we will not see a significant change in the us and we will be garnering our youth players for our national teams from those with European passports or from dual nationals. I think there are eight on the us team competing in Brazil.
DC shore you asked me to comment on the European academies. What else do you want to know?
For girls the rest of the world is catching up because the men's programs are throwing bones at the women. The best examples being Japan's residential programs and Olympic Lyon in France

Anonymous said...

Someone is playing for it true, but it is most often not the player's family carrying the full burden of the costs. There is also a culture of soccer that exists around the world that doesn't in the US where kids are always playing soccer, not just at their defined practice time. You may be right, and the systems in the US and Europe may be similar in that someone has to pay for it and in Europe it may be big clubs. In the early to mid-200os it was mandated that Bundesliga teams have academy programs paid for by the clubs and many people associate that with the German resurgence. If you are right than the sad thing for US women's soccer is that the pool of great kids is greatly diminished because the player's family carries all of the cost burden. In Europe that pick the top kids based on who they think has the skill, ability, and athleticism. In the US, we do the same thing, but first you have to pass the hurdle being able to afford it. I'm just speculating, but I think there are few team sports around the world where the best players come from the most economically fortunate of environments.

Anonymous said...

@12:43
You definitely detailed an aspect of the European system (I guess twice now) that has not been previously discussed. Specifically the "buying" of players. No doubt to make it all work this would also be incorporated. As you demonstrated previously this is the incentive for everyone to work together, mostly in concert, and it is only the fans that may moan a bit when their local favorite is traded off.

NO DOUBT, at least in my mind, that an improved US system would need to include this aspect in order to help drive the right behavior.

I would caution the casual reader/observer from thinking (based no your post) that the difference in how the clubs/leagues/teams is set up is simply a matter of who pays the bills.

I do not have the desire to repeat what I have already written.

GREAT perspective provided by you though and something I had not seen brought up before.

As far as the Womens team goes. I'm sorry but despite the pride and joy I got watching our girls pretty much mop up the world for so long I was never fooled into thinking it was great soccer. It was good/very good soccer being played by MONSTER athletes. On a technical level the Japanese have surpassed us. The athleticism is catching up. I see a chasm between many of our USWNT developing. Those with more technical skill/vision, playing with the old guard looking to just service calls at the head level to Abby Wambach who is unmatched in the air. Abby is a tremendous athlete and there may not be another woman on the planet that can do what she does in the air...but I'm not fooled into thinking that makes the USWNT a great team. Just my opinion.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

My previous post was in regard to the highest level kids in Europe. In many European countries the largest mass of kids play for an individual club to which the entire family holds membership. It is truly a social club. Kind of like a country club here in the us in that there is a clubhouse and a cafeteria. There are programs and teams for all ages. Some are more posh than others. Most provide generous scholarships to families so that more children can participate. They have weekend social events around the games. It is a true "club". For the entire family.
My college team stayed with several families belonging to different clubs in holland and we competed against their equivalent aged teams. The facilities are great. 2 or more turf fields and many excellent grass fields. The top men's teams draw support from all if the club members. It is a true social Mecca for the families.
These clubs provide a venue for the best kids to be scouted out for inclusion in the more successful clubs programming as previously detailed.

Those kids selected are truly commodities. There are regulations to avoid abuse but the emotional toll of the q 6 month cuts and replacements can't be quantitated.

Anonymous said...

The success of our WNT is due mostly to the general apathy of the women's game around the world. Still, in many, many countries, women playing sports is frowned upon and our WNT has benefitted from this. I have girls playing soccer. I cannot, with any truth at all, admit to watching really good soccer. I can, however, root like heck for them when they are playing.
Women's soccer, at it's highest level, is marginal at best.

Anonymous said...

@5:05
I cannot say that I have not seen "really good soccer" from time to time. I just not have seen it really often which is a shame.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

You can't look at it like the men's game. Same as women's tennis. A different game but it can be great. Just not the way the us plays it right now.

Anonymous said...

Any one know who is going to the NPL Championships from the NPL and EDP?

Anonymous said...

JFC Storm
Mississippi Fire
Omaha Elite Academy
New Mexico Rush
NEFC
Davis Legacy Millenium
FC Portland
FC Alliance
Space City FC
IE Surf Small
Issaquah Soccer Club/Gunners
FC Stars of Mass


Eastern Development League
NJ Stallions Academy
or
Manhattan SC

Anonymous said...

I was talking with a guy this afternoon and I was told that the U14 Matchfit ECNL team is losing almost 7 girls. He went on to say that he heard the team is falling apart. Is there any truth to this story because I felt that they were just starting to turn the corner.

Anonymous said...

2:21 Sounds like a bit of trolling to me. if your daughter were on the team, you would know and otherwise, your just an outside spectator who spoke to a guy and felt you had to tell everyone on this blog about your conversation with a guy.

I spoke to a guy today who said 50% of the people on the blog were trolls and the other 50% were liars.

Anonymous said...

In the real men of genious category, so FC Virginia is preparing to take a squad of 30 girls and play the following:

1) ECNL
2) Region 1 Premiere or National League
3) State Cup and Region 1 Championship
4) National Premier League

School is optional. Who needs school to play in college. You think SEC football players attend class.

Seriously, would love to see how this is going to work out with a squad of 30 covering so many games across a wide territory.

Hey Gus Donalo makes money, that is all that matters.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry about MatchFit U14 ECNL. Girls from World Class FC will fill out that roster.

Anonymous said...

Is it true WC lost 7 kids

Anonymous said...

James Bond would say, "The World is Not Enough". I guess the Annandale parents don't value ECNL??

They need State Cup, Region 1, and NPL too....

Do these parent really that insecure they are trying to block other kids in Virginia from going to high end league and possibly making showcase tournaments where a college coach might select those girls over the ABGC girls?

Anonymous said...

@2:21pm let me explain to you I am no Troll. Whatever that term means anyway….Let me clarify it to you this way. I am the same guys that say he is a PDA Parent and has been there since my child has been 7 years old. Now if you don’t know who I am then ask and some of your buddies will tell you. Anyway I am still asking that question and WHY…………………because I feel like asking it and to me what I wrote earlier is how I feel and exactly what I said to the guy I was talking to. That team is on the incline and would be awful to New Jersey soccer if that was the case. There are some of my buddies on that team who I cheer for their kids and will continue to cheer for them regardless but I thought it was something that I missed or if it was any truth to that. Now let me get back to “trolling” whatever that is but I just hope that it’s not true because I do like GW a lot as a person.

Anonymous said...

As the famous PDA parent, you know what it is like when people post things on the blog to stir trouble. A troll is someone who goes on a website for no informative purpose but rather to stir issues, so you know very well that it is not great to have your team's business posted on a blog for the world to read and when most of it is gossip-mongering rather than fact.

So you come on a blog and write that you heard from a guy that "the team of falling apart." Now in my personal view and I would think yours who has to deal with a lot of PDAS misstatements, what is the value of coming on a blog an asking "is there any truth to the story," that does nothing but start a rumor and cause problems for a team. "There are some of your buddies on that team' so why not simply email, call, or text something one of your buddies and ask them rather than airing it on this blog where any response has a chance of being just another troll using your statement to then tear apart a team. Maybe your statement was well meaning, but in my view serves no useful purpose.

Anonymous said...

@June 16, 4:14pm sure I know what it is like when people post things about the club my kid is affiliated with. I also know that as long as they aren’t talking about a kid it’s okay to ask question or state what they heard. This is a forum for discussion regardless if we like it or not. I have stated who I am and what team I am affiliated with so I am not hiding behind anything. I am asking a question because maybe some Match Fit posters can set the rumor straight or maybe shed some light on the true story if any. People post stuff about PDA all the time and I defend or try to straight out the lie or rumor as I have in the past. What I am doing is bringing the lie or rumor to the light and see what’s the story. Now if someone has an issue with me doing so then just step to me and say that it’s not true or this is what is going on. Sure I could ask some folks I know which I did and they were unsure because they aren’t in the loop like that. And you make it seem as I am making this guy up that told me this but if you want me to address that the guy has a kid on my younger daughter’s team and doesn’t have a kid that is the age group of U14 I think he has some older kids I think that play for another team not Match Fit or PDA. Yes dealing with the PDA misstatements I address them. Well I am not here to cause a riff between the team I am just asking if what I heard is true. My statement serving as a having no useful purpose……….scroll up and count how many other statements are useful and to me have you address those post as you are addressing mine. Anyway so do we know if my first question is true about Match Fit or not.

Anonymous said...

I don't write that often on the blog, perhaps 10-15 posts in total, but I will tell you a few things that I have posted on, there was a post 6-9 months ago saying a coach was going to be fired and i responded to the poster that I thought it was inappropriate and a blog was not a place to messing with people especially if there was no truth to the rumor (the coach is still in place byt he way), I have posted several times that it is no one's business how much a parent chooses to pay for soccer as it it is an individual's decision to decide the value they are receiving not some nameless person sitting judgment on a blog, I recently asked a question about what people thought about the NPL showcase and whether that will attract coaches and I wrote a post on the open and closed system of soccer, with me believing that an there should be some true open competitions because I feel the current ECNL/System is going to become an insular environment although I think the NPL is more open than the ENCL and i am a parent of a child playing NPL. When I come on here a few times a month, I will respond if I see someone saying something that I think has no useful value except to discuss real or apparent misfortunes of other.

Specifically, what I took issue with in your post and it happened to be the post I read on a day I came on this blog, was your comment, "I heard that they are falling apart," why not just ask, I heard that 7 kids left Match Fit is that true, is that the case? that would be a shame because they seemed to be developing something good.

Anonymous said...

It’s okay to take issue with how I asked the question. Taking issue in how I asked is what this forum is about. You have to be able to take the good with the bad but at least you know and at least you can put a name with the post and certainly a face, which I am okay with also. I am not ashamed on how I asked the question because I said it exactly how it was told to me. Now should I have said it in a more sensible manner………I think not. We are all adults here and I am sure that we can handle the question the way I presented it. If the question offended you then I can easily apologize to you for either hurting your feelings. That I have no problem doing out of respect of you. Do I take back the way I ask the question certainly not….

Anonymous said...

Perhaps I am idealistic and hoped this would be a place to discuss interesting soccer topics. By your own words, you have defined what spreading a rumor is. Essentially you have no responsibility for what you post because it was something that was told to you whether true or not. I personally view that as not acting like an adult. I'm glad I do not come on here as much as you because while we are all adults, I'd hope that we would have good soccer dialogue rather than simply spreading rumors. We differ in that you think as an adult it's perfectly OK to spread rumors because it's an adult conversation and "I was just spreading was I was told." Can you just imagine how much worse things would be if everyone just came on here an wrote what they were told about one team or another.

Anonymous said...

I think your idealism is perfect for this blog. And you are correct that you should be able to discussing interesting soccer topics. I just happen to think that Match Fit is an interesting topic of conversation right now. I don’t think that I am spreading rumors but I can assume that you are from Match Fit and that’s why what I ask is bothering you. My question was not to spread a rumor it was to ask the simple question as if what was told true. You could have come to the rescue and say hey PDA parent its not true and that’s a rumor but no you haven’t which makes me believe that you don’t know either and that’s okay because that is why I am asking to find out. This was a soccer question pertaining to a team that makes up the New Jersey landscape of youth soccer at this age group. We most certain differ in our opinions on how we approach things, but also its doesn’t mean that I am less of an adult than you are. Hey but then again you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it but I disagree. In my terms spreading a rumor would mean that I would have to go to someone else and say “HEY DID YOU HEAR THAT MATCH IS BREAKING UP”…….that would be spreading a rumor if it was untrue. I asked a question and that is clear from my first post about this and will remain the same and that is what I asked. Is it true or isn’t it. I would sure hope not and only wish and hope that the Match Fit parent that told the guy that I know is just over reacting or just unhappy and was upset at the moment when he said it.

Anonymous said...

Do you think it's time that US Club Soccer starts to rethink it's National Cup. It was filled with higher level teams in previous years, it seems it's mostly a second/third tier tournament at U-14 for teams to compete in a regional/national tournament?

Anonymous said...

Soccer talk has been tried (and will be tried again) but I have the suspicion that there are 3-4 parents dedicated to talking about how great team XYZ is, how bad ABC, and how "they heard..." something nasty about another team.

BORING

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Hey NOVA any news about McLean and FC VA? Saw Gus listed as a coach for FC VA but did not see anything about Harkes coaching for McLean. Did FC VA replace their rising U15 team with ABGC's, including Gus? What about Chantilly did they fold up shop and move to McLean?

Anonymous said...

Not wiped out, more than half the players are still on the team. But Gus has brought in more players who play direct style. So looks like FCV is going to allow Gus to play Gus Ball and at the expense of player development.

Harkes is coaching Mclean U16 ECNL. She can't coach her daughter who made the team despite than a less than stellar tryout. Must be nice to have a parent in power.

FCV has Foley's daughter and Mclean has Harke's daughter.

Anonymous said...

Considering how FCV appears to be unable to retain many quality coaches in the area - not sure how long Gus is going to last in that organization.

The plan appears to be bring in Gus and the team. See if he can be a model citizen. If not, get rid of him and hope the Premiere parents want the lure of ECNL over Gus. But FCV has enough girls in the system that if Harkes 2.0 occurs with Gus they have enough to at least field a team off the NPL team and the non-Premier players on the ECNL team.

Anonymous said...

Maybe that explains why Premiere is unwilling to give up State Cup/Region 1 Premiere League in the Fall. Both sides are hedging their bets in case this falls apart.

FCV still has enough players for a team.

ABGC still has a spot to go if Gus is fired.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Championship sure looks water down with the top teams and players playing ECNL. What a waste of money and time surely the writing is on the wall.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Championship sure looks water down with the top teams and players playing ECNL. What a waste of money and time surely the writing is on the wall.

Anonymous said...

Since we are on NPL - below is the lineup for the u14 FINALS.


New Jersey Stallions
JFC Storm
Mississippi Fire
Omaha Elite Academy
New Mexico Rush
NEFC
Davis Legacy Millenium
FC Stars of Mass
FC Portland
FC Alliance
Space City FC
IE Surf Small
Issaquah Soccer Club/Gunners

Anonymous said...

@June 18 9:54am WHOA….the name calling. This is the PDA Parent………I will get back to that but wait you ain’t even real and your surely ain’t universal you whole style that you wrote sounded like an old N’Sync commercial. Ignoramus you challenging me like what I said was so offensive or so taboo to even mention. Makes me completely understand who is writing all the nonsense about PDA now. I ask one question and all of a sudden I got you on your hands and knees. I never said that Match Fit was breaking up I denied that to the gentleman that I was talking to but I was asking if maybe it was true and me hoping and wishing it wasn’t true maybe farfetched. You call me cowardly…….please son, your conversation is limited like the speed of traffic on this subject. It’s like I am listening to the radio and your trying to repeat what someone said but you better believe I hear the static. All of this is ridiculous over a simple question. You and the guy that thinks he knows everything and believes that he knows all the issues to US soccer because he lived or been over to Europe with the SHORE in his name need to chill out. Just as I told him that reflection in the mirror is going to hurt when you look at it. Back to that name calling. As a young kid my grandmother always told me that people will always call you names son but don’t worry they are like the little dog up on the porch barking because the big dog is walking by on the other side of the fence. My grandmother said hey Eric if you want to see the real coward just open the gate and see if the little dog will come off the porch. The moral of the story is that you should never call someone names or assume someone is something that they are not. More importantly I am Eric Harris who are you by the way since we are talking but I can assume that half of the people in this forum assume the PDA parent was me all along because of my writing style and language. I am still asking the question now is what I heard true or false. Now you have a name with who is asking a simple question………be careful because that reflection in the mirror will tell you the truth about if you are who you are. Again I am Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

He doth protests too much.

Anonymous said...

He doth insane.

Anonymous said...

I think the region 1 championships are fine. The kids work hard and need something to strive for. I agree the teams are not as good as the teams in the ecnl national finals in Seattle next week but they will compete just the same

Anonymous said...

It seems that the Major tournaments will be better than these "Championships" in determining the true best team. The ECNL is a mixed bag. As an example WC and PDA Gunners are undoubtedly 2 of the best teams in the region and their ECNL grouping, but the quality drops off al lot from there. What does the NPL championship tell you, for the most part it is made up of 2nd teams of ECNL Clubs which has made for very poor competition in the Northeast, but in Mass. you have an ECNL level team in the NEFC playing NPL. In their NPL division they were undefeated with with very little competition. The great thing about the USYS Championships is the knockout nature where every game is important, it's a great competition and any team that gets through it have a lot to be proud of, but it is not the competition it once was. You also have the National CUp which seems to the next level down of teams that were not good enough in their NPL or CLub leagues but still want to try to compete in a National Tournament.

Anonymous said...

8:39

A simple question is "did so and so win today?" Using the phrase "I heard that...? is a commonly known Weasel Word because "Weasel words are designed to give the appearance of truth whilst protecting the speaker from attack...."

An of course that is what happened, you were called out for using a Weasel Word and you felt protected because it was a "Simple question."

For the record, you have been prolonging this agreed ridiculous discussion by adding long diatribres.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of NPL, the new Virginia Premiere League is less than impressive. Courtland, Chesterfield, and Cheseapeake are hardly top flight competition.

My suggestion is to add the top non CCL teams from NOVA: Herndon, Vienna, Chantilly to replace the three clubs from Southern Virginia.

Anonymous said...

The Region 1 championship looks to have a good representation of Northeast teams. I see at least 7 very good quality clubs listed at u14. These teams can play with anyone with the exception of a few top ECNL teams.
NEFC
ABGC
PA Strikers
Empire
Quickstrike
Century
YMS

NEFC and ABGC will knock one another out in pool play. PA Strikers has the easy road. Other 2 brackets are a toss up.

Anonymous said...

Why does everyone assume that all the best kids play ECNL. Granted, their level of talent is high, but for my daughter, she has no interest in going far to college. D1 locally. She could make and start on an ECNL team I'm certain, but doesn't need to go to Seattle, San Diego, etc...to play soccer. SO we CHOOSE to not play ECNL. I love the program, but it is naive to think that the best are there and everyone else drops off dramatically talent wise. Simply not true.

Anonymous said...

Every NPL league game is important. As the champion represents the league at the NPL finals. Starts in September and ends in June.

Yes ECNL B teams plus some other tough teams.

NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS NPLNORTH ROCKLAND STING ROWDIES
MANHATTAN SC MANHATTAN SANTOS
QUICKSTRIKE FC 00'S (starting in the Fall)
ISA ELITE 99 NPL
SMITHTOWN KICKERS SC HOTSPUR
NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE
FC COPA ACADEMY MILAN
NJSA 04 BULLDOGS YELLOW
AZTEC SOCCER U14 GIRLS NPL
SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99
BAYSIDE FC BOLTS 99/00

and some (6) are in the Region Championships.

BAYSIDE FC BOLTS 99/00 (RI)
NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS NPL (MA)
FSA FC U14 GIRLS NAVY (CT) (we'll see if these team goes NE Girls NPL as Soccer + B team)
QUICKSTRIKE FC 00'S (NYE)
FC COPA ACADEMY MILAN (NJ)

Anonymous said...

5:20 You are correct not all the best kids - all the kids that want to be the best and a national Champion.

Anonymous said...

The Mid Atlantic National Cup brackets? Seriously, what a joke!

Anonymous said...

5:20 Yes every game is important, but it is not awin or out proposition. The other difference is that if you look at the NPL Northeast teams going to the NPL finals, NEFC and FC Stars had virtually no competition. The only team that threatened FC Stars was were the PDA Pride and NEFC was never challenged.

Anonymous said...

Didn't we say referencing specific names was a classless move to do? Shame, DCShore.
I happen to know the person you mentioned, and I honestly doubt he engages in "tabloid soccer talk", unless you count defending his own child's team from haters (I mean, everyone hates PDA, right?)as an offense.

Anonymous said...

Don't blame DC Shore He named himself a few posts back.

Anonymous said...

12:12 I think you have it wrong. The PDA Guy went on a long diatribe. blah blah blah, dogs barking, shine the light, look at the reflection, name yourself, show your face, grandmother quotes etc, twice emphatically saying I am the PDA Parent named XXXXXX, DC was just responding to the PDA Guy naming himself. I believe especially a guy playing for a club that is often maligned on this board is being tabloid when he states "I heard this team is falling apart, is it true?"

Anonymous said...

He doth protests too much again and again and again.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of soccer, aren't we all the better that the World Cup is not a closed sytem of Elite clubs. Spain's out, England's likely out, Portugal has a lot of risk. The US has a good chance to going through, Costa Rica is likely through, and a few other surprises. It certainly speaks to the value of deciding soccer games on the pitch not in a board room.

Anonymous said...

1:39 UEFA Champions League.

Why does England, Spain and Italy to name a few get to send 4 teams some directly into the group stage while Malta's champion has to qualify by winning 3 rounds before they even get to the group phase?

Yes it's not closed but it's make it hard for Valletta doesn't it? Is that fair?

Anonymous said...

I'm not educated enough on the UEFA. Qualifying except as you say, they big leagues send 4. I personally don't have an issue of a higher bar for teams playing in weaker leagues at least there is a system for teams to qualify. The World Cup does show the beauty of every country having a path for qualification. I think you know my broader point which is that I believe that we have more an more in youth soccer isolating leagues where decisions on who goes in and who doesn't is done in board rooms of people with a vested interest in the outcome. Because teams are moving to playing US Youth or US Club events, I think we are losing some of the excitement of some like the state cups where if you come out of that, you play regional competition, and then a national competition. I personally think there is something great about that structure.

Anonymous said...

Some shocking early exits. I think many here can agree.
In Spain's case many are celebrating the death of Tiki-Taka but can that really be said? Spain had won essentially all that is worth winning for four years. Four years is a lifetime in soccer and I think the flame (or with some the fuel) that drove many of the players engines is gone. By all accounts Spain has a strong bench of developing players so it should not be long before we see.

I think the problem on the English side is the growth and strength of the EPL. Simply put its success may be at the detriment of its domestic development. Much of the English square, at least on paper, is the "who's who" of the EPL. At the same time many of the EPL teams these domestic players belong too are greatly thickened up by international talent. When the English squads get together I find a complete lack of cohesion and purpose. They almost have a "let's get out there and see what we can do" mentality.

What do you all think?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I do understand your point and I think US Club soccer is going down that path. They are setting up a pyramid - what they do with that pyramid remains to be seen. US Club has standards it wants it's member clubs to have, agree or disagree with it at least they are trying to take out the hacks. For every PA Strikers you have 2 to 3 clubs just taking on registrations to make a buck or two. Just to give you an example with some money. The Wildwood beach blast charges about $700 a pop for about 1,000 teams to play in a weekend of sand soccer. That's a lot of money to play on the sand being made. The Hotels and Food joints all gain from this as well. Not saying this is a scam - but we have hundreds of events and with tools like gotsoccer that glorify the events - you can see how development and playing soccer kind of takes a back seat sometimes when you have all this money to be made.

I think an Open Soccer Pyramid would be great

MLS & NWSL D1
NASL & W-League D2
USL Pro & WPSL D3
merge PDL/NPSL & ECNL D3
US Club Soccer Pyramid D4 (NPL, PL, Travel)

In order to play you need to have standards met. Also if you do this and improve on the "homegrown" player rule there will be no need for a College Soccer draft. Teams will simply just purchase the rights to players from smaller clubs this would drive down the Fees us parents pay.

Then soccer in our country would be open to everyone while eliminating the hacks - every child that is serious will have one path not 3 or 4 all promising the same thing. I'm no expert but i do love the game.

Spain has won majors the lat 6 years - Euro + World Cup + Euro. I don't think they are done I think they just had a bad two games which unfortunately for them came at the wrong time. I disagree about the EPL as I can only wish the same would happen to the MLS.

One last thing on US Soccer - In addition to an Open League - we need to play in major club events. Why not ask to join Copa Lib and send our top 3 or 4 teams to that event and then send teams 5 through 8 to CONCACAF Champions league or have the NWSL petition UEFA to join their Champions League with our games being played at a neutral site. Now you have opened a path for more clubs to make money and more players to be exposed to big leagues until the MLS becomes the place to be I think it's a lot easier for the NWSL to become the global league.

Personally, i think the USSF dropped the ball with the NWSL. They had the WPSL Elite. WPSL has over 60 clubs, they could have forced the W-league to merge back with the WPLS and let US CLub soccer into the equation to build an open league for the Women.

But we will never see that in our world of closed leagues NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA to much money being made and at the end of the day it's always about the money isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Sorry had some typos.

MLS & NWSL D1
NASL & W-League D2
USL Pro & WPSL D3
merge PDL/NPSL & ECNL D4
US Club Soccer Pyramid D5 (NPL, PL, Travel)

Anonymous said...

@8:50
Sadly, any such changes you mention would be met with resistance by those already bringing in the $. It's a threat. But I do like the way your thinking is going. It would be VERY exciting to see some of that in action.

We pretty much agree on Spain, though perhaps I am putting more emphasis on the decline of their aging players. We can agree to disagree about the EPL. It's just a sad day (Cup) for England getting bounced so early.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Anyone at Rider Cup this past weekend? Any interesting games, results?

Anonymous said...

Sadly, I have not been able to catch any outside matches the past couple of weeks and with my kids schedules done I am likely not to see any soccer till Fall.

I would love to hear some good stuff about any matches anyone catches. Any teams to watch for? Any interesting playing styles of formations.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

What does everyone think of the following currents u14G teams
NJSA04
Matchfit
PDA
Wildcats
FC Copa

Which of these offer the better training and player's development. HOw are the coaches in this age group and how expensive are these teams?

Anonymous said...

@9:33
You'll get a lot of disagreement on "which offers better XYZ..."

In truth I do not know the Wildcats team. I have not seen them play.

With regards to the other teams it is my opinion that no matter which you are looking at you will good/very good quality in terms of team play/training (which mostly go hand in hand). If you daughter were to play on any of the teams (including the various PDA squads) you 'should' be happy with what you see in terms of development. Again, all of it is good/very good.

My best advice, which I admit is tougher this time of year, is to watch the teams play. Win/Lose/Draw are they playing a quality match? How are the coaches on the sidelines? How are the parents? Would you be happy being associated with such a group?

How expensive is it? Depends on what you deem 'expensive' is. While some of the feeds are far above what some parents might pay others might be considered a bargain. Ultimately I would not judge the program on price tag alone (positively or negatively).

Whether you join an academy or club team should be based on CLEAR expectations. Whether you stay should be based on whether your expectations are met.

Best answer I can give at the moment.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Should read,
"While some of the fees are far above what some parents might pay...."
DCShore

Anonymous said...

Reading this blog, I would avoid Match Fit, I hea they are falling apart. The same people discuss the special envronment that exist at PDA.

My sense is that any one of those clubs can be a good fit depending on what you are looking for. You will find the least stability at the ECNL clubs if your daughter is not in the starting or first sub grouping as you will likely continue to see turnover at the bottom The ECNL clubs have a lot of pressure on them to win now.

Anonymous said...

PDA beats up on Bethesda first day of ECNL finals 3-1. Keep deluding yourselves that your kid's team could compete with them. Yet they probably will have a serious challenge against the best in the country CSA, Colorado, Texas and the west coast's best. Wish them luck as they represent Northeast ECNL and NJ.

Anonymous said...

PDA is the best....Yeah!!!!

Anonymous said...

...At leasr in NJ

Anonymous said...

PDA Gunners 3
Charlotte 1

Keep it up Northeast

Anonymous said...

PDA Gunners beats Charlotte (#1 seed) today in Seattle at U14 ECNL Playoffs. Tomorrow PDA plays Santa Rosa who lost to Charlotte 4-1. Gunners should advance out of their bracket undefeated and play in the semi-finals on Friday.

Anonymous said...

World class having a tough tournament going 0-1-1 after a stupendous regular season. Won't advance to next round.

Anonymous said...

Offense gets attention, but defense wins championships!

Anonymous said...

The World Cup can be lost in the group stage but not won and the draw also matters.

True about defense, but I also believe that the best defense is a great offense.

Anonymous said...

Our team is breaking up due to coach's lack of training and development. Also five players were treated like crop on this team. A large group of the parents decided to take their kids some place else where they can get appropriate training. eight players are leaving out of 16 so the team will probably bring in other victims and continue to vicious cycle.

Anonymous said...

@4:38
How long had the roster been together?
My guess there were warning signs long before this season, no?

Plenty of teams looking for players this time of year. The shrinking and consolidation has begun. A few teams keep it all intact but any go through changes at this age.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

This team has player turnover every year because only 11 players play, the rest just pay and watch the main players play. Some players only played 5 minutes the entire game, others 10-15 minutes a half. It's just a money making team no development at all. Waste of time!!

Anonymous said...

Teams going to NPL championship in Greensboro NC

EDP NPL - NJ Stallions
NYCSL - NEFC

Anonymous said...

4:38 Are you referencing Colonial League member LMVSC (Virginia). They were breaking up. Lost 5 girls to another club. Now I hear they are trying to have a team.

Anonymous said...

So I was watching World Cup commentary about how difficult it would have been for the US to come back from 3 days rest having played in the Amazon. Then I thought PDA may play up to 5 games over a 4 day period, the same thing with playing in the Jefferson Cup and really any other tourneys. Does anyone else think it is nuts that 3 days rest is considered difficult for adults to play 2 world cup games but our kids will play 5 in a weekend. I think it says something about the US Soccer culture.

Anonymous said...

ECNL is more like 5 games in 6 days if you make it to the final, with a day of rest in between.
Tournament formats of 4 games in two days or 5 games in three days is the worst of many downfalls of US youth soccer. Just like everything else in this sport, it's all about the money.

Anonymous said...

World Class, welcome to ECNL.

Anonymous said...

@9:22
What does it say about U.S. soccer culture? What are you implying?

Do you think European youth club teams play 5 games in 4 days? or 4 games in 2 days?

Is this another 'telling' statement that we all have to figure out?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

0-2 loss to solar.....oh well....no wins in seattle and a -4 goal differential. Defense and goal keeping exposed giving up 10 goals in 3 games

back to reality....it was fun while it lasted....RIP WCFC U14s

Anonymous said...

DC Shore, no I do not think European teams play 4-5 games over a weekend. I am not implying, I am saying that we make the measure of a team how well the do on a weekend in NJ, VA, PA, Mass, etc. I am saying that Wins are more important than development, and I am saying that we grind 14 year olds. Who hasn't seen a girl that has an an ACL tear. I don't remember girls having the number of injuries that they have today. I have commented previously and I am sure that you know this, that the training to game ratio in the US is half of what it is in Europe.

Anonymous said...

The cream rises to the top. Go gunners,,,go PDA!!

Anonymous said...

The cream rises to the top. Go gunners,,,go PDA!!

Anonymous said...

Yes Yes how is that cream holding up? Enjoy watching the Hawks take the final from the sidelines.

In all seriousness great tourney for PDA but they still need some players up top.

Anonymous said...

Well its obvious that you didn't watch the game but they played well and it had to come down to PK'S to decide it. Sure I think the girls will go watch the finals just to see it but it's obviously you were never in it or your team lost along the way before the day. If you want to say that PDA lost and is out sure I'm okay with that but to say that they lost because they need people up top is a foolish statement. Anyway I am a PDA parent out here in Seattle with the team and my name is Eric Harris.

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Anonymous said...

The fields were fine, refs inconsistent, and the town and taxes expensive...

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. Are Gunners in the final or not?

Anonymous said...

Now knowing how I write and what I write about, you should know that I would never write the cream rises to the top. Whoever wrote that is wrong and really naive about youth sports. The cream rises to the top comment is sad and reckless. Well if someone from our team wrote that......Humble Pie is good lololol. The girls played hard. All the teams were great out here and the teams that's stayed back home. Bethesda is a great team along with Charlotte and of course World Class. Santa Rosa wasn't a bad team either and although it was a tie it still could have went either way. This is youth soccer and a great experience for all the girls involved and trying to capture that trophy this weekend. I am proud of how the Gunners played because they played with heart and kept fighting. And with that all being said they shocked a lot of you by making it out their group and doing as well as they did. They keep all the naysayers at bay for the week and people waited for them to fail. PDA represented the Northeast Conference, JAGS, MOSA, MID NJ, conferences this week we'll and week in and week out those leagues have help mold the gunners by being in tough games with the Freeholds, North Rocklands, World Class, NJSA Bulldog, FC Bucks and YMS. All those teams helped prepare for this journey out in Seattle. I tell you all back east be proud of the soccer we play because I tell you we can compete with anyone in the country and thank you for letting the Gunners Represent you all that couldn't make it out to Seattle. In final no the creams doesn't always rise to the top but it was a heck of a ride they gave us this weekend. Eric Harris

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Anonymous said...

Bethesda it was a great time with you guys once again. Your parents are some great people and please tell your goalie to keep her head high. She felt so terrible about the Santa Rosa goal. She is a terrific kid and to see that young kid crying because she felt she let her team down was sad to see, but like I said the kids from her team I saw rallying behind after the game along with the PDA Gunners hugging her telling her it would be okay and how awesome of a goalie she is. It's was great and I am glad that the girls competed and at the end of the day some of them have gained some friendships with girls that they hope to compete against for years to come. I enjoyed watching your team play and if you want a copy of the game cause I am the guy that films the game with some selective lol yelling at my daughter......lol I like to call it not coaching but STRONGLY SUGGESTING loll her to do some things. Anyway I hope your travels home are safe and if you are still around let's catch up at the finals tomorrow. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Bethesda it was a great time with you guys once again. Your parents are some great people and please tell your goalie to keep her head high. She felt so terrible about the Santa Rosa goal. She is a terrific kid and to see that young kid crying because she felt she let her team down was sad to see, but like I said the kids from her team I saw rallying behind after the game along with the PDA Gunners hugging her telling her it would be okay and how awesome of a goalie she is. It's was great and I am glad that the girls competed and at the end of the day some of them have gained some friendships with girls that they hope to compete against for years to come. I enjoyed watching your team play and if you want a copy of the game cause I am the guy that films the game with some selective lol yelling at my daughter......lol I like to call it not coaching but STRONGLY SUGGESTING loll her to do some things. Anyway I hope your travels home are safe and if you are still around let's catch up at the finals tomorrow. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

I left Friday but enjoy the final. Saw you on top of the Space Needle (LOL) and spoke to you at Jeff Cup this year.

I'm sure we will run into each other next season. Again tell your girls well done! I speak for all the Bethesda parents we really enjoy playing your girls.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Championship in RI
Check out NJ team at Region 1 Championship - FC Copa Milan

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=38588&Gender=Girls&Age=14

Anonymous said...

Hmmm ABGC Premiere lost. Guess that throws a wrench into the parent's plans of winning ECNL, USYS National League, and NPL next season. So much for the parent's world domination plans. Guess they will have to find satisfaction trying to beat the traitors who dared left Gus for Mclean.

Anonymous said...

"saw you on top of the space needle"
haha what a small world!

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Anonymous said...

This is hysterical. Who are these people? He must think his children are in the World Cup representing the US.

Very funny post!!

Anonymous said...

This is hysterical. Who are these people? He must think his children are in the World Cup representing the US.

Very funny post!!

Anonymous said...

There's 100,000 girls playing soccer in the Northeast and we have to hear about particular players, teams, and their parents.

We should just adore the soccer goddess?? LOL

Anonymous said...

Your only hearing about the teams (girls) still playing, ECNL / Region 1 tourney. Let me guess, soccer has been over for your daughters team a long time ago... Enjoy the summer.

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Anonymous said...

Some parents just want to post GotSoccer screenshots with their daughter's team listed as #1 in the country to Facebook so all their friends will gush about their daughter being the next Mia Hand

Anonymous said...

Yo E, don't worry about what these cats post. Continue supporting your kid, I don't think you are doing anything wrong, this is a u14 board and you are talking about the only thing that matters when we talk u14 Girls Soccer and your kid happens to be playing in this event.

I had the Cascadia question for you. I just wanted to know how much of a role the Sounders play in Seattle since they draw over 30k to their games - that's impressive for soccer played anywhere in the world not just in the states.

My man DC, I have a world cup question for you. Will Costa Rica be considered the CONCACAF power if we get bounced by Belgium. Since we only beat them during a blizzard and they did protest the game.

Of course, I hope we advance to play Messi and then take him out. Are you going to tell me that we stink as a soccer nation and our MLS is horrible, just like the rest of the world is going to be saying if that happens? or are you going to let me enjoy watching the US play and be happy for their success.

Now imagine your kid played for a team that played in a national event? Imagine how proud you would be only to have someone like me come along and try to rain on your parade. You wouldn't care, as I wouldn't but it just looks bad.

One more thing on Gotsoccer, please tell me you don't use the FIFA coca cola rankings to quote who's number one. If you follow soccer, you know those are a big joke as well. But I bet you everyone in our Country would be talking it up if we were ever number 1.

Just my 2 cents.

Anonymous said...

@7:36

I was being EXTREMELY facetious with my comments.

As far as the US goes, YES I am happy for them and will be cheering for them to the last. And YES, clearly they are being shown the way by one J├╝rgen Klinsmann. Someone who to this day is trying to change American soccer for the better. And all of those German-Americans, they are not there because of their accents...it's THE GAME they know how to play. Or are you arguing these German-Americans (European players) have not had a significant impact on our Cup play so far?

And YES, comparably speaking, the MLS is horrible. Or do you actually enjoy, accept and cheer when the ball goes out of bounds every 5 seconds?

And NO, I would not just simply be proud that my kid was on the National team. Not unless they were playing THE GAME and looked like they actually knew what they were doing. NOT diving in while defending, NOT getting caught ball watching, NOT losing the ball every other possession because of lack of touch and foot skills.

NO, I am not simply one who is proud. It has to be built on something.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

As far as rankings go. I do not believe in them. I always judge base my opinion on watching the teams play.

In truth, many of the top 'ranked' teams play a good-very good game. But there are a number of lesser ranked teams that play equal, if not in some cases, better than their 'ranking' would suggest.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC I agree with your 8:25 comment. But as far as MLS goes have you ever given it a chance? a real chance. You know by their package and watch games more than 1 a week? For one who enjoys THE GAME and likes to see if teams/players know what they are doing I would think that you have and I'm not talking Metrostars.

Who doesn't cheer when the ball goes out of bounds? I also cheer when the Defenders blast the ball a mile away when no one is around or they play the ball back to the goalie so they can blast it a mile away only to lose possession, don't you?

How do you expect soccer (THE GAME) to get better if we don't support the MLS or NWSL? By going to a message board and putting it down? I've been to 3 MLS games and 2 NWSL games and also purchased the MLS package to support the game in our country in addition to supporting my daughter's club. I bet you most you post on this board can't say that - maybe they went to a game or two that they were forced to go to. Do I hate ugly play, yes. But I still have to support if I really want it to get better and then some day maybe we'll see one table, pro/rel, a true pyramid, playing in Copa Lib and transferring players.

Anonymous said...

typo correction I anted to say most who post on this message board

Anonymous said...

I am a fan of the Red Bulls and the Sky Blue.
I go to about 2-4 games for each per year. If for no other reason than my kids have interest in attending a soccer match way more than a baseball match.

I also attend because I want to support the effort not because I am in love with what is played in front of me. I also realize that without support/interest there is no going forward. I don't want the league abolished. I'm jut not going to call a duck a golden goose.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

I agree DC - and it's go to see that at least 2 of us are trying to support the game on this board.

I wouldn't call it a golden goose either. But with Defoe, Villa and Kaka next in line old or not the players are getting better. As much as I hate seeing this, we also need European and Latin American coaches to further advance the league. I believe as it is today we are number 7 in the world when it comes to attendance. We are going down the right path and our kid's won't benefit from this but their kids might. AND if 2022 rumors are true Soccer can take off big time. I know pipe dream.

Anonymous said...

Don't Forget book signing July 4 in Atlantic City by Eric Harris author of the book "Cream always Rises To The Top "

Anonymous said...

@June 30, 2014 7:36am No worries, do you really think I am faded by what DCShore and his girlfriend has to say. Those love birds can just sit there on the porch behind that fence and keep barking but they know they are not built to step outside that gate. I am very proud of my children and yes I am absorbed in what they do as any parent should. Its called SUPPORT. Here we are on a U14 Blog and these dudes are upset that we are actually talking about U14 soccer. I think their post have been removed which I am sad to see because I forget what they said lol lol being that I am just getting back to respond to those lovebirds. I tell you it was a great run by the girls and it was interesting to really see different teams from different parts of the country. I tell you the teams from California I don’t know what they are putting in the water but I never seen so many tall girls at this age on one team. I mean there what another girl that was 6’1” and was a striker lol lol man I tell you it was like she was a woman against kids out there.
The soccer community there is Seattle is huge but you wouldn’t know it by just looking. I would say this that every store that I went into even outside the city had something either Sounders or Seahawks in it. I have a buddy that I use to play in the NFL with that I reached out to and see if he had any contacts on the Sounders side to see if I could get a tour of their stadium which he was able to see but guess what I was over ruled and for some crazy reason my daughter wanted to take the DUCK Tour lol lol (still scratching my head)
The complex we played at belongs to this one club and when I tell you it was a nice facility it was tons of grass fields that were well keep. I couldn’t believe that it was just used by one club but there were at least 18 fields of 100 x 65. Now I understand why they call it 60 Acre Park.
Actually on July 4 I will not be signing that book since I never made that comment but I will say this that was an amateur comment but this I will tell you and your girlfriend DCShore on July 6 I will be doing my normal Speed and Agility from 8am to 3pm at Raritan High School………………ITS FREE to anyone who wants training for their child. Usually from I am there about 8 am setting up cones and drills for my first group of kids which is for kids about 8 years old including my 8 year old. that session goes for about 2 hours then I have the older kids that want training from 11am to about 2:30-3pmish. Feel free for you and DCSHORE to stop by with your children if you like. Like I said I do it for free and have never charged any child to train them. If you have college age children that need training I also offer that after 3pm but that group is usually tough because I have several college football players and one or two guys who are still trying to get signed by an NFL team so I really limit that group to the chosen few because we only work on specifics that might not be necessary. So feel free to stop by before all of that if you want to talk or me sign your copy. I doubt you come for whatever lame excuse you can come up with but I am publicly inviting you to come with no drama. We are on a U14 Blog cant we just all get along lol lol Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

I hope all you guys can take a few hours today and watch the game either at home or at one of the many viewing parties.

I am very happy to see the frenzy over the beautiful game in our country.

With players like David Villa and Kaka to play in MLS next year - I can see the MLS growing and maybe helping the NWSL with some funds.

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Anonymous said...

Shouldn't we be cheering for PDA pride, they beat a team by ten points! Excellent development there!!

Anonymous said...

The team has a history of doing this, They can't win major competitions so they play down and makes competitive tournaments non-competitive for every one who enters. This tourney follows Kirkwood and playing the the state cup second grouping.. It is kind of embarrassing after having the Gunners competing and showing well at the ECNL championships. There is no fun in winning a game 10-0.

Anonymous said...

It's all about bragging rights! Now the B team can boast about being National champions.

Anonymous said...

Anyone from PDA want to comment on how playing in a tournament and winning 10-0 is good for player development.

Anonymous said...

I know of at least 3 teams that were denied entry that would have been competitive. Shame on pda for not wanting a challenge.

Anonymous said...

@July 1, 2014 8:51pm listen lover boy I am as real as its gets so before you even question that lets take a look at the track record. First I TELL YOU I am a PDA PARENT. I tell you this because I don’t want you to think that I am anonymous but the fact that I am a PDA Parent defending my daughters club to you or anyone else that has a negative thing to say. I like to say its my opinion of things and your’s oh then its your lover boy over at Match fit maybe, I don’t know that’s between you and him. Secondly when I felt that a PDA PARENT could be anyone trying to defend the situation but I know and others knew it was ME all along. Trust me the phones calls I got asking if it was me and me saying YEP but they kinda figured it was me. I further wanted you and whoever else to know that my name is Eric Harris so that you could actually put a name with the PDA Parent that was getting at you. I lastly let you and your buddies where I will be at on every Sunday that I don’t have a conflict training kids for FREE. I tell you all this. Now you ask me am I real……..well there is only one way to find out and that come to training on Sunday. Watch from afar if you like I will be on the football field if soccer isn’t on it. Other than that I will be on the grass. I only say this not for you to come and have me challenge you or any of your buddies but simply to let you know I am real and that I say what I say because I am real and that your opinion or any of your buddies opinions phase me or move me.
Now that coffee that you almost spit out your mouth was not that it was too hot but maybe because you saw your reflection in that cup that and it scared the mess out of you that I am actually right about you. See I told you that you are inconsistence on all that you do and everything has to be the way you say it…….because it’s the LAW right…..well wrong I can still laugh at you and know that you are an emotional person or you have emotional tendencies as our male counterparts no offense to you ladies out there but I have to call it how I see it with this guy. Here we are on a U14G forum and people want to discuss U14G soccer and here you are talking about the USMNT……and how you now sooo much about this and that……Cmon man. Listen I rather listen you you talk about your opinion of youth soccer and the differences in how clubs do things which you have made very valid points but all that other nonsense save it. I am going to do you a favor on this and let me go further on how real I am.
Since June 5 you vowed not to comment to me and further again on June 6th not to respond to me (lol) so twice you have drawn the threat to me I not sure was it your way of turning your back on me or maybe the reflection in that mirror comment was really starting to set in on ya. Well up until June 19th when I actually said my name all of a sudden you came running off the porch……but never opened that gate lol lol lol. Well listen DCShore you know where I am at on Sunday’s and you know my name and where my kid plays. I promise you that I will not respond to any of your comments about me or what I have to say……..UNLESS you mention my kids team or club in a negative manner. You can call me all the names you chose…..I will not respond to you because you anonymous and you need to stay that way. As long as you are calling my god given name……..I am okay with that but I will not respond to. Now if I respond to you outside of you mentioning PDA then you can call me a FRAUD other than that you know where to find me. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

C'mon man, get off this blog, you ramble like a mental patient.

Anonymous said...

Eric Harris, just curious....how many new girls did the Gunners pick up for next season? Any starters? Any girls leave? I'm asking because they are successful season after season with what they have and I was wondering how often the starting 11 change.

Anonymous said...

So PDA wins by 10 and you fuss that 3 teams were denied entry and PDA took their spot. Shouldn't you be fussing that the team who lost took a spot. The self proclaimed state champion of Pa gets killed by a "b" team. Really. Only in our country would someone go after the winner.

Anonymous said...

Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer.

Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.

The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site.

Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team.

Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?

Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

What ever happen to that Great Kick-Ball team from VA ABGC Premier seems almost ever time they play a good team they lose . Hey ABGC or whatever club you are with welcome to the big league next year ECNL 3rd place at the best for you guys. Overrated kickball team .

Anonymous said...

DCShore - I personally know Eric Harris, he's the real deal, real nice guy who cares about soccer. My daughter played for Atletica a couple of years back, but got cut. No hard feelings, We parted with PDA and Coach Greg on good terms. Eric's daughter is a phenomenal athlete and has been with the Gunners from that start. Eric is an ex-NFL player (Falcons, I think) Yo Eric, bro this is Alex - hope is well with you, if we're free I may take G to your training on Sunday.

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Anonymous said...

Our team is breaking up. Anybody knows of uprising u15G teams still looking for players.

Thanks,

Anonymous said...

4:39. Maybe you can post the area.

Anonymous said...

Shore area

Anonymous said...

2:29 No, Hershey Elite's other games were competitive, the tournament director could have placed them in a lower bracket. The fact is that when you look at the team's involved in the tournament and where PDA says it is going as a club, it shouldn't be playing against those teams, but I guess that they will do whatever they need to get to a National tournament.

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Anonymous said...

@2:@9

Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer.

"Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.

The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site. "

---> Tough one to answer. I know where you are going with this. The players whose mom/dads company sponsors the club gets preferential treatment.
At the same time, I can imagine that at least in some circumstances the sponsorship does really help keep the program moving forward and more kids playing.
My short answer is "yes" they should be allowed but that does not override a parent/players biggest responsibility. Making sure that all of their expectations are met. If poor ethics/morals are evident then obviously it is a bad move.

"Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team."

----> If the coach is a volunteer coach, then NO he should offer private training for additional fees. If he is a paid coach anyway, he should be free to make a living and parents should be free to opt in. I could go onto my "too much money in the sport" rant...but that is well documented. It is what it is and again the overriding principle (as a parent to follow) is to make sure that despite these scenarios all expectations are being met. It not, stop your checks to the org and move on.

"Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?"

----> Sure, and it is sad when things go that way. If you are in this current situation I would move on. You will not win that fight. If your org is possibly going into such situation it is your right as a member (well at least in our club it is) to raise your objections and have them heard. Ultimately you may not be able to fight this but at least you can be heard and raising a few additional brows may help monitor possible bad behavior and poor ethics.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Pride did not win the above mentioned tournament in spite of their 10/0 win


Anonymous said...

NJ force devils breaking up?

Albert Adam said...

In depth analysis of Soccer tournaments can be an enriching experience. Given that its influence pervades our society, it is yet to receive proper recognition for laying the foundations of democracy. It is an unfortunate consequence of our civilizations history that Soccer tournaments is rarely given rational consideration by socialists, obviously

Anonymous said...

What was final score for pride? Score not posted?...

Anonymous said...

Tied 1-1. Went 1-0-2.

Anonymous said...

PDA picking up that Player from New York considered development EH? Would love to know who moderated this board.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Looks like a friend if EH's might be moderating. It makes sense.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Try not to mention specific players on this board.

Anonymous said...

Dc I think your objective hatred towards PDA makes you sound like a low life POS. Are you seriously telling me that a child needs to stay with his or hers inital club or else wherever she goes doesn't develope?
My first child who I didn't know what I was doing played for a small club that had travel but really only focused on intermural teams. My daughter at u12 was moved to the biggest club in pa and developed into another position and played college ball. My current daughter is now u13 and I have taken the same path for her. The small club had good trainers but the teams aren't as deep and talented. It both cases if you ask my children they will tell you both coaches they had have developed them.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you can't afford PDA or your daughter wouldn't make PDA hence your hatred towards them.

Anonymous said...

I did not mention a specific player, but EH has and has openly identified himself.
I believe you took down my post simply because I Mr. Eric Harris look like the poor spokesman for his PDA team.

Mr. Harris, thank you for yet another long and incoherent response. But YOU REALLY DID NOT answer my questions (but I think you know that).
I will ask again. Is the PDA Gunners, picking up a player from NY that you cannot believe "slipped through the cracks" part of their development program? Is that part of the promise they make to all of the players on all of the teams?

You can call my criticism of the Player Business Development Academy "hatred" all you want. But the question itself is a critical one that needs to be answered. So go ahead. You are the proud spokesman.
Also, again, keep us posted as to how many Pride and Athletica players move up as opposed to those that are brought in from other clubs. PLEASE do this. You are the spokesman.

That's right Eric. I cannot afford to pay for PDA. That must be 'telling' you something.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

Oh please. I can name a few kids who have moved up from the Atletica to the Gunners at the u12 level, and some of them even start games at the moment. DC, every team will have new players. Can you name a good team that doesn't? I used to think of your comments as insightful and interesting, and now, they are crappy Eric Harris and PDA-hating statements at best.

Anonymous said...

2:54
So, is grabbing a kid from outside the club considered part of the development process? Answer this question directly.

And before you repeat yourself.
Sure, every 'good' team probably does grab new players and that's the point. At the end of the day they are only as good as the new players they can bring in (recruit). It has little to do with team development.

Eric, when are you going to answer my question or are yo busy calling up your coach for a response?
Here it is again. Is taking a player on from the outside part of the "Development" program? What part of the development cycle is that? Where do the other kids fit in to this development process?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Nothing wrong with bringing kids in and out, but the PDA Pride is a perfect case study that without good team and player development, that who you bring in an out really doesn't matter. The team competes in a competitions far below where they should be playing and can't make it through, they can't beat decent town programs with Parent coaches. It's not once, it's consistent. They have enough very good payers to be performing better than they do, that comes down to development. I'm not getting involved in the PDA Parent DC Battle, but we have heard enough times from the PDA parent and others on this blog, that the Gunners are unique in this age group

Anonymous said...

DC,

Clubs develop players not teams. If a club is lucky they have enough talent to develop a good team. Very few (B or C) team players ever make it to the "A" team because at this age and older players are moving from one "A" team to another "A" team. There are only so many "A" players out there so if you are on a B or C team odds are you are not an A player. Doesn't mean you can't become one but the odds are against you at this point. Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes.

As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace.

Anonymous said...

@5:31
Your first paragraph is full of contradictions (at least how it reads). I am honestly not sure if I support what you are trying to say or am vehemently opposed.

Clubs develop players...but B and C players usually do not make it to A...so they are developing in what way? Exactly how?

"Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes."
----> right, so they are going after players...not developing them. Or, in Candy Land terms A Players are 'moving from one "A" team to another "A" team.

So you are basically agreeing at "this age" U14 it is not really about development. It's a shameful and ridiculous comment, but it does support my argument.

Then again, I'm not sure how to interpret what you wrote? Maybe you are agreeing with me and trying to support what I am saying. If so, well done.

"As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace."

-----> it is written exactly nowhere that my daughter only practices one day a week. It is written that I am happy with my child's development. In fact she is playing in Summer League with her high school team. Playing side by side with two very talented players. One from PDA and another from another "Academy" (no need to name). They play well together. Too bad much of the talent and IQ they are each brining to the team will be stripped away for kick ball.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC,

Not sure why you have such a hard time with this. Your assumption is that a club will move its own players up from within. Does not happen in most cases. You also assume that because a player does not make it to the "A" team that they are not developing, that's a false assumption. All the B and C team players are developing but that doesn't mean they will develop to an A team player. Look at career backup players in the NFL, why aren't they ever starters (unless someone gets hurt)? Aren't they developing?

Some athletes are more gifted than others, some work harder. Its not hard to understand this. Some players will always be better than others. Two kids can train the exact same for a year and the odds are one player is better than the other. That my friend is just reality.

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Anonymous said...

My daughter played for Atletica, both the A and B teams for Match Fit and FCCopa. She's just fine playing for them as she doesn't feel the kind of pressure had she been with the Gunners. Still receives top-notch training in a very competitive and positive environment. So we pay the same tuition on the B Team - it's just the way it is. Don't like the system? Stay in your town team, that's fine, too. We've been there and there really IS a difference when you play for an organization such as PDA.

Anonymous said...

To say that there is no development within a club if no b team kids are promoted is really Polyanna thinking. ther are far better indicators of development than b team promotion (thats another post) Fact is the b team kids might lack the skill, soccer IQ, athleticism, or more likely even the drive or stamina to achieve and maitain A team status. Most kids beyond the top 5 or so on the a top ecnl team are on a roller coaster of playtime and respect. This can be difficult to handle for both the adolescent and her family. These players might be top five on another ecnl team or slighlty less accomplished team and be happier in this environment and they frequently leave (often right before they are cut)

There also often is a trade, the top kid from the other team thinks she will be a top 5 on the top ecnl team (and sometimes she is) and risks the change. The churn then starts all over again. Just the way it is...
There are only about 5 happy families on any top team.

Absolutely the A team bottom 5 can interchange with the b team top 5. However, the club doesnt see the point in exchanging equal kids. They would rather bring in a kid who is lesser known because they might not be a bottom 5 player with additional formal training or might bring something that is lacking to the team. Further if their bottom 5 are content and not poison on the sidelines, even more likely that they wont be exchanged for a b team kid whose family has been resentful and whining for years that she is better than x,y,z A team player. Fact is the club knows well the ability of the b team kids and rarely does a kid experience a leap in development substantial enough to warrant an experiement with the A team.

If a b team kid truly is a late bloomer, the best clubs are more than happy to promote from within; it just doesnt happen that often. The best clubs theoretically will never promote a b team player because in the perfect Polyanna world, the A team is also developing at the same rate as all of the other players so the kids just move along the development continuum in parallel. The reality is that the A team kids develop more quickly and the seperation increases because they are given more and better reasources and can train/play with and against better players/teams.

Anonymous said...

10:21 I agree with your assessment of A, B, and C teams, I don't agree with it with respect to PDA because the DOC has told us directly that they will strive for promotion when kids are good enough. So far there have only to have been a couple of times that promotion actually occurred I view it as lip service to keep people with a carrot to keep interested in playing for a lower team. In most cases it has been a few games rather than actually being promoted to the Gunners. It is a bit absurd that the carrot gets dangled but they rarely give kids a nibble. PDA is a different situation as well because not all of their teams pull from the same geography.

Anonymous said...

I genuinely hope that all of the replies above HAVE NOT come from actual PDA staff. My guess is Eric Harris (and maybe one other person) has done more to damage the reputation of PDA than any other message board or group of people could ever have done.

Thank you for your written testimony that "acquiring" players, "A" players from other "A" teams has nothing to do with development.


DC Shore

Anonymous said...

RUmor has it that Tim Howard's parents were on the USMNT Soccer blog immediately after the getting through to the group stage to report the score an d debate with people the merits of US Soccer Development. His parent's then came on to the USMNT board with in minutes of losing to Belgium to defend the technical development of the USMNT compared tot the rest of the world. His parents then went on to defend leaving Landon Donovan off the squad saying that sometimes B team players just have to accept that they are not good enough.

The Howard's were offered the opportunity to have dinner with the son and celebrate his world cup performance, but they declined saying "nah man I have to to go write on a blog for those cats rather than being a bit humble.

Anonymous said...

DC shore if your kid is really an A team player and has ambition to play D1 in college you may be doing her a disservice by keeping her on whatever team (have you identified her affiliation) you so aggressively defend. If she does have these goals, then you need to get her on a team that will participate in at least the top 2 flights of major tournaments (FC Stars, Jeff Cup CASL etc)or an ECNL club. Further she needs a coach who has placed players in D1 programs in the past and knows and has the confidence of the college coaches.
If she has no aspirations to play in college or D3 level, then she is probably fine where she is.
However, to say that there is a problem with development because players dont move up from b to a often at the top ecnl clubs is naive and just wrong.

These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country. Hence the problem of moving up a level within their clubs. You really dont even know because you havent had the experience to make this judgement. Some of us with more than one child have experienced many soccer worlds and understand more than you do about it. Some of us even have played at relatively high levels and can readily undertand the improvements we see in our children.

How about you? Since you seem to be so concerned with the b team kids and mega clubs development, what metrics or even observations do you use to evaluate your child's development?

Anonymous said...

What are your metrics that "These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country." There has been several links posted on this site by people far more in the know than most on this site that support that the US whether at the Town club, ECNL, or D1 level the US does not do an effective at developing players. Of 32 teams in the World Cup so far, the US was 31 in terms of possession. That doesn't say much for the US Elite development.

Anonymous said...

Here is a World Cup Metric for you. The US between 15-20 million people playing soccer. The population of Belgium is about 10 Million. How is it that Belgium totally outplays the US and if not for an amazing goalkeeping performance the score could have been 6-0? I believe it is development. What you call rapid development, I believe is bring the "scrappy", fast, and big players that are not tactically and technically sound. The US has also lost its perch as the best Country for US Women's Soccer. Germany has been the best Women's team in the last 20 years and Japan tactically outplayed the US in the last World Cup. We will see,with another women's world cup next year. But if you think that the US Elite system is so good, you would think that it would show through at the National levels and the US by far has more girls playing soccer than anywhere in the world.

Anonymous said...

In a country of 10 million, the Belgium World Cup team has 3 players on Chelsea, 1 Liverpool, 2 Manu, 1 Bayern Munich, also Tottenham, Everton and Man City. I don't think there is a strong argument that Belgium has better athletes. Nope, I would guess that development has a lot to do with it.

Anonymous said...

You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic.
In all of these countries soccer is the number one show in town and kids grow up dreaming of being soccer stars.
In the US, the best athletes are not playing soccer, which is probably the 4th or 5th most popular sport among teenage boys. I'm not sure if that will ever change so, unless it does, we all will have to accept it. Talent will beat out top coaching and training any day of the week.
The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. Again, this wasn't strategy, but merely the only means of survival. Our status in soccer will not change until we get more of our superior athletes making soccer their number one choice. If you think it's about training and development, then shame on you.

Anonymous said...

12:52-
"Biggest club in Pa"?? Who is actually the biggest club in Pa.

Anonymous said...

I and a lot of other people in the know believe that the US has a screwed up training and development system, from pay-to-play, to emphasizing athletics over skill, to closed systems of competition in the MLS down to the youth level. There has been enough published about that to find what people are saying about US soccer and the development culture. Yes I do believe that it has a lot to do with development, and it has to do with no embedded soccer culture, and no pick-up soccer.

The US has 40X more kids playing soccer than in Belgium, are you saying that in that 35:1 ratio we do not have athletes playing soccer of equal quality to Belgium. That is ridiculous to think.

Anonymous said...

DC Shore.

I am curious. Does your team develop players that were not "A" type players into A type players?

If so, how many players have they developed into "A" type players from u13 up?

To develop an A type player doesn't the initial talent have to be there first?

Does your Club get many A type underdeveloped players? Or do they turn B talented players into A type players?

I am curious to hear your answer.


Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?

I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter.

I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system.

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Anonymous said...

"Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?"
----> No, they don't turn every "B" player into an "A". If for no other reason than that may not be the individual team goal or philosophy.
From my own personal observation many teams/orgs fail in this regard because of a weak program to start of a lack of execution on a strong program. My personal philosophy is that you are either about winning or developing at the youth level. You cannot 'truly' be about both.
Hence my criticism about Academy teams stocking teams full of the best players and athletes, providing them quality training but always ready to pull the plug if the next best thing becomes available. Same goes with lower Academy and Club teams continually using guest players in order to achieve results. It's no wonder we can not field a decent national team with this kind of mentality.

"I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter." "I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system."
----> I'm not a PDA parent either. I am speaking from experience as well. I have multiple children in the sport. Played it growing up and get to hang with some professional heavies around the game now.


I did my best.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

1:55 is exactly right.

We have plenty of athletes playing soccer. We just do not have enough playing THE GAME

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@12:15
Look at what you wrote!!!!!

"You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic.
.....

The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. "

So you set this up nicely. You yourself admit that Belgium with their "superior skill", not athleticism, dictated the game to the US. Yet your answer is for the USMNT to call up more athletes? Develop more athletes?
How about DEVELOPING some skilled players?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@9:56
Your are exactly right.
Our WNT has lost its athletic edge and now those teams that were or have developed into more technically sound players are outplaying our athletes.

I loved the fact that our Womens team was so dominant back in the day. It should have been a springboard to get folks excited about the sport, learning the finer nuances, and putting together a National development program. Instead it became a pyramid scheme for people to make money.

It's sad but true. We missed the initial opportunity hopefully we do not let it slip into an abyss like it did for the MNT for all of those years in the late 50's, 60's and 70's. It can happen. Look at a country like Hungary. Once soccer masters...now a complete joke.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC You still havent given us the metrics you use to assess development.

Anonymous said...

@July 5, 2014 at 10:01 AM
Are you asking if I watch a game with a stop watch notating sprint times and speed on runs? Tracking 50/50 wins? The number of completed passes? Passes intercepted? Etc.?

The answer is that NO, i do not.

At the end of the day, and I have always maintained this. You watch the player/team play. Are they making good decisions? Are they covering the right spots on the field depending on the situation? Do they have comfort with the ball at their foot? Are they holding shape? Are there any intangibles to their game? Etc.

I'm not staying that collecting stats is useless in fact in some ways it is very interesting to look at. But stats alone do not tell the full story. So much of what a player/tea does is determined by their opponent and game circumstances.

When finding soccer homes for my children, I would always watch the team play first.
How does the team play? How does subbing work? Do some players not come off the bench? How do they handle winning? Losing? What do the parents say/do on the sideline? What do the coaches say/do on the sideline.
These are the critical elements I look at.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

One of the problems in US development is the win first mentality at the earlier age groups. There is also a preference for strength - bigger, strong, less technical players over smaller, faster, technically savvy players.

Look at Messi.

In the US system, He would probably would have been considered too small by most coaches and assigned to a B team. If he did get to an elite team, the coach probably would have told him, he runs too high and needs to change how he runs with the ball. Then they would have told him he can't take that many touches with the ball because other players would be all over him and he would lose the ball....so he needs to one touch it to another player.

Think I'm kidding. I'm going thru this first hand.

Anonymous said...

One of the problems in US development is the win first mentality at the earlier age groups. There is also a preference for strength - bigger, strong, less technical players over smaller, faster, technically savvy players.

Look at Messi.

In the US system, He would probably would have been considered too small by most coaches and assigned to a B team. If he did get to an elite team, the coach probably would have told him, he runs too high and needs to change how he runs with the ball. Then they would have told him he can't take that many touches with the ball because other players would be all over him and he would lose the ball....so he needs to one touch it to another player.

Think I'm kidding. I'm going thru this first hand.

Anonymous said...

@July 5, 2014 at 10:36 AM
Yep. No doubt.

Look at it this way...we still have players on the National Teams Diving In on Balls as a rule as opposed to an exception. 15+ years of hearing "pressure, pressure, pressure..." and "you gotta want it" will do it to ya!

Look at the MLS. How many times can you watch the ball go out of bounds? How many through balls to nobody? I don't see a lot of good thinking from many of the players.

I bet their sprint times are world class though :)

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC Shore,

I want your opinion on this? Our current team only plays the original 11-12 players that have been on the team for a long time. My daughter plus another 5 players are leaving since they only play 5-10 minutes a half. These players attend practice regularly, particpate in extra training, and pay the same amount as other players. When we first joined the team they only had 12 players and they brought in 6 players. So is this fair to the development of players to play only 5 minutes? As it turns out this season they are looking for players again since their roster is down to 12 players again. What type of team do you recommend we look for to avoid the same again.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

DC Shore,

I want your opinion on this? Our current team only plays the original 11-12 players that have been on the team for a long time. My daughter plus another 5 players are leaving since they only play 5-10 minutes a half. These players attend practice regularly, particpate in extra training, and pay the same amount as other players. When we first joined the team they only had 12 players and they brought in 6 players. So is this fair to the development of players to play only 5 minutes? As it turns out this season they are looking for players again since their roster is down to 12 players again. What type of team do you recommend we look for to avoid the same again.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

No doubt the best WC teams have a technical possession game vastly superior to the US's. That said they also all have speed and athletes as well. If you look at all the top scorers they have sick speed and run like that all game long (athletes).

Anonymous said...

Speed and Agility this Sunday if your interested at 9:00am for the younger group and 11:30 for the older group I will be doing it at
Raritan High School
419 Middle Road
Hazlet NJ 07730

Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

DC you know your soccer history - the Hungary comment proves that to me Bravo. So you know a little something (a lot) about the GAME. I agree if we opened it up early against Belgium they would have crushed us - I hate saying that because I am a big MLS guy and thought we bridged the gap a little.

In the foreign system, they develop some players but most of the time the better players find them. They leave their small village teams to play for a bigger town tam then they leave that town team to play for a city team and the really good ones eventually make it to CLUB.

That doesn't happen in the states. US Club soccer put a league together to attract the best players, but it still doesn't because you still have people putting it down. US Club soccer is trying to build a pyramid for the kids. Until we have one system with one avenue to develop true SOCCER players not kids just looking for some money for college we will have this issue.

Anonymous said...

11:20 You are right, and the best player is an athlete that has the technical capability. The US has more kids playing soccer than anywhere else in the world, I tend to believe it is a development issue not an athletic one, I don't believe that the US has to make a trade-off between athletes and technical ability, but you do not see it with other countries. Belgium in this World CUp is a great example. Do you really think that Belgium with 10 million people, which is half of the amount of people than the US has kids playing soccer has far superior athletes in soccer that are being developed. The Netherlands are also a great example of a small country that constantly develop great soccer plays.

Anonymous said...

11:33 I totally agree with you. What I was trying to say earlier (11:20) was at this level they are all sick athletes so that is a wash. There are players with a speed edge, or a great finisher that can make a difference but all in all the team that controls the game by possessing the ball creates more opportunities and chances to score. My daughter has played for 2 clubs and both were trying to teach the right things, unfortunately for (most) parents its a long process and lots of losing at the youth level. A number will just take their kid to a club that "wins" and that is where it starts to break down. In the US everyone wants to win and win now not in two or three years, so in reality youth soccer mirrors the culture and intellect that currently prevails in the US. Go to a U10 game and watch the parents screaming at a ref about an offsides call… College is just an extension of what youth soccer is producing. Until the US (public) understands the game at a higher level I doubt we will see much change at the youth and college level. It will take an educated public to force a change of that magnitude.

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