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Wednesday, July 20, 2016

U17G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 17 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

again, that is ODP. Irrelevant. There is no pool at U16 that is public.You cant. Let me tell you what the poll is. It invented by parents whose kids are not in the current camp. Im sure there is a list of players, but the USSF certainly do not tell you and the def do not publish @ U16. They would be foolish to do so.

if your kid is in the current NT camp, congrats. If she has been and is not in the current one, still congrats and im sure she can be invited down the line. if she has never been, its not a great process, but I hope she gets a shot at being seen and evaluated fairly.

Anonymous said...

Got it. Much like life, right place, right time and plenty of luck; just keep working hard. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

So with tryouts coming up what is the concensus, is your player attending current club only tryouts or shopping around at different clubs. some seem to think that the age change may open spots at higher level clubs. As for my player we are putting all eggs in one baket.

Anonymous said...

I definitely think the birth year opens up opportunity for current u16 00s but the change will close options for the 99 who have to make already established team of kids older and more experienced than they at 99/98. If my child was one of the best players in a high level travel type situation I would definitely consider having her throw her hat in the 00 ECNL ring. Last chance for a good deal.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone worried that the top 00s from their team will defect for one last chance at ECNL recruiting opportunities? If that happens will your team survive?

Anonymous said...

8:31

In the EPA area there are few teams below ECNL/EDP/NPL that compete at the U16/U17 level. Natural attrition may hurt more then girls looking to upgrade. With the ECNL tryout dates there may be some transfers among clubs. For a girl to break in to a U17 ECNL team she will need to be a strong player. Most of the ECNL clubs have 3-4 teams to pull from (2 ECNL and 1 NPL). Some ECNL clubs were adding to their NPL rosters right after PAGs short season. THe hopes of the girls is that they are in the club and hope to be leveled at ECNL based on the age change. Coaches are also fickle and know who is on the radar and are already talking to players who are interested in ECNL spots. Showing up without prior interest will be a long shot.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/04/13/17/19/160413-u16gnt-heads-to-italy-for-tournament-of-gradisca

Anonymous said...

12:10 there are plenty of strong players in non ecnl clubs that could potentially make the teams even without the age shift. I don't believe any ecnl coach would not take on a player that was stronger than any players on their npl team. If you think there is complete club loyalty I think you're mistaken.

That being said. Most strong non ecnl players aren't necessarily looking to get into the ecnl. If they had wanted to they would've done so already and probably choose not to do so for a variety of reasons.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Quickstrike in NY just committed another player from their U16. Defender heading to UConn along with forward to Notre Dame. Still plenty of top players from non- ecnl programs getting the same exposure. No ODP, no National camps, just high quality players.

Anonymous said...

Re:ODP roster / connecting the dots - the top players in that list were invited to Boca to train (about 1/2 of that list). all of those listed players are invited to train/play at an international location. Many locations changed this year due to security concerns abroad.

Anonymous said...

11:21 Agreed. Plenty of good players on that list. Region 1 does a great job.

Anonymous said...

any representative team that is pay for play is a joke.

Anonymous said...

Can any of the FC Copa parents out there Comment of the cost of tuition for the club?

Anonymous said...

If your child is like the 2018 Quickstrike players that have just committed they are aware of their options now. I do believe that there are some kids/families who expected to have several choices on the table at this time and for whom that has not become the reality. I am not saying that there are not ECNL players in the same boat please keep in mind. However, those non ECNL kids might be wondering if their chance of success would be enhanced if they switched now for a perceived last chance at the ring.

Having said that, I do not believe that ECNL teams will switch out the bottom 5-8 of the roster for an outside kid to come off the bench. I do however, think they would snatch up a player in a heartbeat that they see as "special" and would happily take any kid they see as a starter from the outside.

Anonymous said...

11:54 I don't think ECNL is the solution for the kids. More important is the coach or club being an advocate for the player. If your coach is not willing to work to get the college opportunities it is that much more difficult. So switching clubs will only help if the coach can assist. This is the issue with many smaller clubs and ill equipped coaches. Check his or track record of players playing in college. As a sophomore the door my be closing for the top college programs but is still wide open for the hundreds of others colleges and universities. Plenty of players do not commit until junior and senior years.

Anonymous said...

What does this mean ?

If your coach is not willing to work to get the college opportunities it is that much more difficult

with soccer being such a pay to play and therefore middle class sport, we seem to develop and indulge this attitude. Its up to the player and the parents to work hard to put themselves in a position to get eh best chance to get where they want to go. A coach should not market a poor player. By poor I mean a poor fit to the school in question. I don't know a single coach who will not look at a player who is a good fit. it is on the parents to be realistic an honest and put the game in perspective with regard to college plans.

I guess that is my first mistake. Most parents are not realistic.

Anonymous said...

Agree with your point about parents but having the right coach will certainly help a good player with aspirations. If you coach is involved in the process it helps, to think otherwise is very foolish. Communication between coach and schools is the main conduit for the younger players on the college radars.

Anonymous said...

1059am
Stay away from copa way to expensive, starts at 2200 then doubled at extras to many other options
S

Anonymous said...

5:38 I think that is a pretty common rate for premier non-ecnl clubs.

Anonymous said...

How about the disaster going on with Rush and SJE in south jersey? The building of a super club is falling apart as players are attending other clubs tryouts such as the new COPA south group. Nothing like walking your players through the front gates of your competition. Greed catch's up with all.

Anonymous said...

Prejudging something as a disaster before it even starts, that's funny. Yes, a lot of people are upset because they have to find a home for their kids, and it's tough on the U-16's because they will likely never see the benefit, but having strong clubs in the South is likely good for the up and coming kids. Does any one really believe that there is a strong club system in the South? At this age are the Barons or the Rush really very competitive clubs?

Anonymous said...

Isn't PDASouth the best club in south NJ? All their girls are verbally committed, most to Rutgers of course.

Anonymous said...

Need to thank those who posted previously re tips with respect to commitments and suggestions about what can be expected as far as money, housing, food, books, etc. Your assistance is great. Was not sure what to expect, but these have been very good tips. Keep up with the helpful posts.

Anonymous said...

8:28- I am with you. I am the one who asked the original question. It would be nice if people would share anonymously, of course, just so others had an idea of what is a reasonable expectation. I have heard things and it ranges from full ride to books. I would just like to know what would be considered a fair offer.

Anonymous said...

Anyone have an idea when PDA posts schedule for showcase for Non- Ecnl teams?

Anonymous said...

Its hard to answer your question. Example: Take a top tall and or uber fast CB(I think that's the position you said your child plays. Let's say she is on a champions league level ECNL team or alternatively on a team where she is clearly the reason that they hang in games, against top competition (ECNL or top two brackets of national level tournaments). Also premise that she has not been to national camp and doesn't participate in ODP. I think she could get 50-75% (say VaTech) in general to a top 25 school if they really need a CB and think she would play a lot and pair well with existing personnel. Same kid could demand 100% on a top level mid major (ex JMU)team or 90% (rarely do power 5s give 100% to non national or even international kids) on a lower ranked power 5 school say Syracuse or Maryland. A lesser CB playing top competition could easily get a 50% from a mid major in a lesser conference (lets say Seton hall for example) that is fully funded. Just talking athletic money by the way.

Anonymous said...

By the way I used real examples but changes the schools although I picked similar schools in similar (or the same) conferences.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Very helpful. 8:59 am.

Anonymous said...

Do ECNL teams have tryout rules among each other? Friend's daughter wants to try out but is on another team. How does that work?

Anonymous said...

335pm
They can tryout for any team after may 1st. Although it is not always greener :)

Anonymous said...

Question, what is the proper amount of communication with the coach as a parent? As my daughter has gotten older I have pretty much been a consumer of the information sent out by the coach and team manager responding to requests for information directed at parents but letting my daughter respond to questions from the coach regarding availbality or if she will need to miss a practice due to a school or family event. But on the other hand I understand that there is a texting protocol where the coach is directly reaching out to players for information that I may want to be aware of. There is also the stigmatism that I want to avoid where I become "That" parent while at the same time feel that my teen daughter may not always have the presence of mind to respond accordingly.

Anonymous said...

What PA East teams would be an option for a '99 next year. Assuming this list could be a mix of current U16 or U17 teams depending on the direction they take going into next year.

Anonymous said...

706am

What level are you looking for. At '99 some clubs are combining the 99/98 birth years so there will be a high number of players. Most current clubs will be fielding teams at that age. The '99s are the most impacted by the birth year change.

Anonymous said...

A top level team-. hearing that some teams will "play up" while others will stay. I have to imagine that there will be moving parts based on what teams do.

Anonymous said...

Top Level Teams are subjective. If you are looking for good college exposure the ECNL teams are where to be. FC Bucks, Penn Fusion and Continental FC. PA Classics is a good team as well. Harleysville may or may not be an option for you. the best thing to do is research through EPYSA Cups to see what teams at that age made it deep into the cup run (NCS) Got Soccer offers some insight but the numbers can be skewed as not all teams play the same agressive schedule to get points (meaning some teams will enter lower level tournaments to build up their numbers) the better indicator on GS is the head to head against better teams).

Also based on what team your are with now could play a factor on how open a coach at a higher level team will be. at 17 a player should already have a reputation across the soccer landscape with interest coming to you. Has your player been asked to guest with any teams or attend training? showing up unannounced at a tryout may not put you on the radar when few spots are availbale. The team we are with has been entertaining "guests" at training since March 1.

Anonymous said...

Yes it's tough on the 99s
My daughter, sophomore now, will most likely be on a team with 50/50 juniors and seniors; seniors mostly committed to a school
It will be all on us (my daughter) to contact coaches to be seen at showcases. Not too many coaches will randomly watch a team with that many older girls except that the club name behooves it

Anonymous said...

8:34 AM

For what its worth, if your club merits looks from College coaches is your concern that with so many committed already the coach/manager will not plan to attend showcases? Another avenue is have her attend a few ID camps at the schools she is interested in this summer. If she performs well there it gives the College coach a reason to come watch her play next year.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 8:43
She has attended a couple by invite and we're sifting through others to decide where to spend the money :)

Anonymous said...

The northeast ECNL is putting together "composite" 00/99/98 teams for competition in 2016-2017. They will do 2 showcases. We don't know yet for sure, but likely there will be league play too. They will be most likely made up of largely 99 juniors. Possibly 00 juniors who are committed or are bubble u17 00 players and whom the coaches think the u17 00 team can do without and remain competitive. The teams will probably be about as competitive as the current ECNL99/00 u16 teams are now. They will be looking for solid 99s to bolster these teams. They will make up some of the 99/00 ECNL team or DA team for 2017-18 and the clubs will treat them right to keep competitive the following year or to field a strong oldest level DA team.

Another consideration would be the PA Strikers. They will keep their 99 national league spot and would be happy, I am sure, to garner a few more older players to compete at that level.

PA Classics' best 99s already went to Strikers. The 99s won't pick up much there because the DA that they will likely be awarded will be behind the 99s.

Anonymous said...

9:25 AM

I would challenge your statment regarding the combining of 3 age groups for an ECNL team. Looks like 99/98 will make up the top age for ECNL, I have not heard or seen from any ECNL club that they will include 00 birth years as part of that level. ECNL will also still mandate the 4 showcases (Florida, San Diego, PDA and Championships. DA will not be an issue but will be split birth years (reverting back to the change to single birth years estblished for 2016) for 2017/2018. Also, are you suggesting that PA Classics is getting the girls DA Badge???

Anonymous said...

9:25
"PA Classics' best 99s already went to Strikers. The 99s won't pick up much there because the DA that they will likely be awarded will be behind the 99s."

Really?

Anonymous said...

Question,

Do you think a coach would informa a player where they stand when seleted at tryouts? for example "we would like to offer you a starting spot on the team" of "we would like to offer you a spot on the team, we have a strong group of starters and feel you can compete for a spot".

Based on the age change and fluid nature of tryouts it still seems like the clubs/coaches hold all of the cards. If a player is looking at 2 teams it would be nice to know if one has them slotted higher.

Anonymous said...

No harm in asking...nothing to lose

Anonymous said...

I have heard rumors regarding at least 15 clubs being mentioned as DA Possible teams in this area alone. Pretty sure it will be about 3 in the tri- state at most. Sure gonna be alot of disappointed clubs. I would believe if any clubs had a real inside track we would hear more concrete rumors. I would venture a guess that it might include Tab Ramos' club, Only because of his involvement on the National level. It will be his reward for pushing forward the recent soccer directives. It will also support the notion that soccer at the highest level is still about who you know and nothing more. Will be interesting.

Anonymous said...

There has been an ECNL announcement about a second ECNL team at 99/98 called the ECNL "composite" team. there is talk of adding 00s. Again this team is in addition to the 99/98 U18/19 ECNL team and the U17 00 ECNL team.

Anonymous said...

Oh and yes I think Classics will get the DA because the USSF is well aware of their famous progeny Chrsitian Pulisic. And yes I think the PA Classic u17 team was badly affected by the three kids who are now strikers and the u16 team is very weak.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on Development Academies being offered to those clubs which have been committed and loyal to USYS such as PA Classics or FC Copa.

Anonymous said...

Yes my thoughts are why would usysa have any influence on the decisions of the USSF? The USSF runs its ore academy organization through us club soccer. Why would they show any preference to usysa clubs?

Anonymous said...

Application for DA starts 5/2, be patient....
Many clubs are forming "composite" 99/98 teams due to sheer numbers...
The shame in all of this is that the 99s are definitely the "losers" in this birth year change...

Anonymous said...

I don't think you understand. This ECNL composite team will participate in ECNL showcases and the northeast ECNL league as an additional team. Not just a hodgepodge thrown together. It will have ECNL coaches coaching it and will not be treated as an afterthought.

Anonymous said...

9:46 AM

Or it could be another ID2 team. Not sure clubs can support a '00, 99/98, and 00/99/98 team for an entire season.

Anonymous said...

ECNL teams certainly have the numbers for all three. But I don't know what you mean by id2 team?

Anonymous said...

@9:46.. Has this been officially announced by ECNL? Our DOC said 2 teams for 98/99 was a possibility, but we haven't heard officially from the club. If it is official, will there be 2 divisions at that age or all teams in the same division?

Anonymous said...

Offcially announced at PF

Anonymous said...

PDA south relegated to lower bracket for PDA showcase. Breakers and Athelica in first bracket. Guess the hierarchy is once again verified. Bit disrespectful.

Anonymous said...

PDA South is NOT a competitive team. The powers that be cannot risk any more embarrassment at their own showcase.

Anonymous said...

So we can expect Gunners players to be shifted to Athletica and even Shore for the event to be sure. Breakers don't even belong it with those team.

Anonymous said...

I thought this website was maturing a bit but it seems like the children are coming out to play.

Anonymous said...

@358 sorry PDA b team parent. How are all the promised D1 full rides coming along?

Anonymous said...

7:04 What ever longstanding issue you have, it's time to grow up. You have a 16 year older daughter playing a a couple of years left to play. A good psychologist would tell you its time to look at yourself in the mirror and dig deep to address whatever mommy and daddy issues you have. Maybe call your parents and tell them that you forgive them

Anonymous said...

what is PF for the ecnl announcement mean?

Anonymous said...

That the existence of a composite team has been officially announced.

Anonymous said...

I think they are referring to the "PF", which is Penn Fusion.

Anonymous said...

Yes Penn Fusion composite team was officially announced at penn Fusion. Not voodoo. Tryouts tomorrow. How was the 00 tryout last night? numbers? new kids throwing hats in ring?

Anonymous said...

Continental had close to 50 show-up last night for each age group. about 200 girls in total for 98/99 down to 02. Quite a few new faces across all ages.

Anonymous said...

so has ecnl allowed clubs to have two 18/19 year old ecnl teams because of the birth year changes ? and if they have is the announcement anywhere to be seen?

Anonymous said...

PF and CFC 00 same night?

Anonymous said...

3:20pm

Yep. CFC again tomorrow and I think PF next Monday. The coaches/clubs know who is shopping around. I also think the clubs plan on having a conflict for at least one night.

Anonymous said...

What's Bucks looking like at 00?

Anonymous said...

lots of opennings at buck ECNL 0 players

Anonymous said...

What about FCB 99?

Anonymous said...

Lots of kids at bucks tryouts: buckingham and hulmville and langhorne and fox chase all losing their stud players.

Anonymous said...

Bucks 2000 tryouts had a lot of players. The Bucks 99s and 2000 roster has about 14 2000s so they need to add some. Bucks 99 tryout next week.
Are there any local non ecnl teams that my 2000 can tryout for and wont have to play up 99

Anonymous said...

8:29pm

Huntingdon Valley, and possibly the Philly soccer Coppa team. Not sure if they hold tryouts or invites. HFC Ready but they may be combining 00/99 due to numbers, I also do not think they play a league schedule. Could all possibly be PAGS short season then Showcases.

Anonymous said...

The bucks 00s are going to CFC

Anonymous said...

11:03 PM

Really??? For tryouts or brokered move?? Most kids at CFC were current only a few new faces.

Anonymous said...

The bucks players have been going somewhere every year. CFC this year, Patriots last year, strikers and YMS before that. Maybe they need a new agent!

Anonymous said...

Region 1 champions league question. Can you use players from another region one team within your Club on the club pass? Another words you have a u16 team and a u17 team. Can your u16 players play on your u17 team as well?

Anonymous said...

I think each state has their own guidelines plus there are also specific ECNL guidelines if your daughter plays there
In general, you have to be a primary...

Anonymous said...

Brokered move from Bucks to CFC for the 00s. Yes they were there...

Anonymous said...

Hey, did anybody Answer the question above. Does anybody know if the ecnl will allow ecnl clubs to have more thAn one team in a age group ? Like 99/ 98 to offset the new age rules disruption ? I would like to know as well . And if possible , is it published anywhere ? Thanks

Anonymous said...

12:43 Contact a DOC from an ECNL club. I have heard rumors that a composite team will be formed, but not sure if League has approved yet. Post your findings.

Anonymous said...

12:43 PM

http://eliteclubsnationalleague.com/home/866369.html

Anonymous said...

Thanks not sure that link is relevant , from last year and not exactly what I heard here and around the club, Ifanybody knows anything different please post it here so that we can find it

Anonymous said...

I have not seen or heard anything from ECNL clubs that indicates a composite team of 99/00. 99 will play U18 and 00 will play U17, just like the rule was written.

Anonymous said...

I didn't hear composite team re 99/00. I heard 98/99. For the overflow re these age groups.

Anonymous said...

Suggestion would be for those interested (98/99 composite teams), reach out to an ECNL Dir of Coaching for verification/updates. And, any information received, please post for others. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Heard about it too. Must be agreed upon by each Division. Considered a U19 Team (98/99 players; possibly some 00's). But agree, would reach out to ECNL coaches for verification and status.

Anonymous said...

The ECNL composite team is happening at the 98/99 age group only. The ECNL combined the 98/99 age groups. This left a number of players out in the cold as there are more than 20 98/99s players at each club. The answer is the composite team.

Anonymous said...

Some 00 may be included also. Great solution to the 99 issue.

Anonymous said...

As previously posted, the 99s get raw deal in the whole BYC

Anonymous said...

Any offers trickling out yet? Some current players have been told they are safe but have not heard of any offers to new players.

Anonymous said...

CFC making offers to new players

Anonymous said...

8:04 AM

At what level? PF and FCB still have a tryout date next week, looks like CFC is trying to lock up some players??

Anonymous said...

ECNL Yes trying to keep them from going back to Bucks or over to Penn fuison

Anonymous said...

It is definitely a merry-go-round. Hopefully the players are looking at the best fit, it seems like we as consumers have to settle for whatever product we get. The ECNL by nature seems to be the golden ticket but can be a bit daunting especially if you are 15-22 on the roster. Clubs know what numbers they need and who is shopping around to align with certain coaches who have the contacts they need for the next level. If you read the Bio's of the coaches you will be able to hopefully make an informed decision. Also be careful if you stay at your current team but see an influx of players from another team, brokered offers may not gaurentee playing time but loyalty to existing players is almost non-existent. The coaches are also looking for their next level jobs and they are not focused on real training at this age, acquire and win is the mantra.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused why is everyone saying the FC Bucks 00 players are leaving to CFC? Isn't FC Bucks fielding a 00 team? Why is everyone leaving?

Anonymous said...

CFC has a good group of 2000's. Excellent facilities, three practices a week and they don't carry 22 or more girls on the roster. The coaching is good and the environment is good. From an organizational standpoint the Bucks 00/01 team is having a really difficult time in the areas listed above and it is that group of people now running the 2000's. It is not a good situation for ECNL soccer. The drive wasn't bad either.

Anonymous said...

The CFC 00s would have been very weak if the Bucks kids hadn't come over. Now they will make up a highly respectable team with an excellent coach. However, no one will touch the PDA 00 team. All of the starting attacking and midfield players on the gunners are 00. Most of the u15 team are also 00. They wont even have to bring in any new blood to take a national championship. In fact there will be cuts in that age group. Penn Fusion looks like a pretty solid group of 00s assuming no new adds from top u15/16 non ECNL teams throwing their hats in. They should be competitive with CFC. Bucks will have a -34 GD next year. PDA national champs, yes I called it...

Anonymous said...

12:24 PM

So there are still tryouts for PF and FCB, CFC has not "oficially" sent out offers and you are calling for a stronger CFC team with added FCB players and PF is set with no adds. I am thinking you are either and FCB or CFC parent who has inside info. Don't start rockin the boat....

Anonymous said...

Isn't that what why this forum is entertaining? Of course there is also the plethora of important information that one may glean from this valuable resource to add to its appeal...

Anonymous said...

1224

LOL. Clueless. Champs of what?

Anonymous said...

12:24 - "yes, I called it" ! you just called it anonymously! Brave move.

12:57 12:24 is a former FCB parent.



Anonymous said...

so the last place team CFC is going to be a good team because 3 players from the next to last team FCB went to tryouts. Im confused.

Anonymous said...

Like most FCB teams you see each year they get worse. They were a state cup champion, top ranked and then after U14 the rest of the teams catch up and pass them. Certainly the case with the 00/01 FCB team. Makes sense the 00 players from the 99/00 want to get out before they run into issues. Right now we know that once a week practice will be cancelled for some odd reason or we simply dont have field space. There is a big difference in how other ECNL programs are being run. If your happy then stay, if you think the program seems stressed then move on.

Anonymous said...

Why is the rumor mill spining? Any team worth it's salt is going to take new players that are good and add value/depth to its roster, including PF, FCB, CFC, MF. It's just how it goes. The 2000's overall are very good and it should be an amazing year for soccer in this area.

Unfortunately, it is kinda hard to finish out this year with the same amount of verve (2000's are carrying some current blended 99/00 teams). Get your popcorn. It should be great!

Anonymous said...

12:24...don't call anything yet. PF has two nat'l team players, current and past...so the training STILL amazing...(for next year) so I heard. It should be awesome!!! Yes, PDA has depth, but so will other teams next year, too. The soft roster spots on other teams will be gone and it will be game on.

A lot of these kids have played together already for YNT, ODP, Regional, Select events, Academy Jr's. Things that were already birth date dictated events/teams so they know each other. It should be amazing soccer.

Anonymous said...

Agree the 2000 in the u16 group overall are generally the strongest players. The PDA 00 I agree are particularly strong but I think their back 4 will take a hit. If the u15 have a couple stud center backs I think they will be hard to beat. They have 2 national players too. Several others underrated by Ussf and might get a chance after the new year when the 00 become the u18 team. Similarly the PF u16 top players are 00 with one dominance in the midfield and forwards. One also in the national program in the past is tearing up to 15s. Bucks has a few solid 00 players that could really improve the weaker CFC 00s. The best CFC players are inarguably their 99s and I am sure would welcome an influx of 00 talent. Matchfit from midfield back are really good 00 players. Many are regional ODP standouts. Their attacking player standout however is a 99. However a weak u15 may not offer some attacking power. Seems like a great opportunity for 00 NJ players looking to give a final shot to a top program. Alternatively might be a good move for the match fit defense to move to PDA. Then I absolutely agree a national championship (only real national championship anymore) would be in its grasp.

Anonymous said...

Funny one. Keep trying to get those players. I know your daughter, you should keep quiet. PDA 2000 will be caught, average team.

Anonymous said...

Nonetheless, it will be good soccer once the 00's take over most teams. As a spectator, I can't wait. Should be awesome. And, Happy Mother's Day!

Anonymous said...

Completely agree, PDA 2000 not elite, good but not the best. How many B,C! and D teams will this result in?

Anonymous said...

@6:21 - Several of the teams with discovery players like Bucks U16's/00 may not be back though (i.e., those from the Buffalo, NY area). Now that Flash will have an ECNL team, why travel that far.

Anonymous said...

Pda are the best team in the area. They only have 4 99s. The pda 2000s are first in their conference. I am guessing they won't be average next year.

Anonymous said...

1.00am You have made many negative posts about bucks. What is your agenda? They have one player from ny who plays for them. She is a good player who has accepted a roster spot for next year. Is your team desperate for the 2 bucks players trying out?

Anonymous said...

Where are the two bucks girls trying out? Continental?

Anonymous said...

6:23 I apologize if you though my post at 1:00 am was negative. I have not made any negative posts about any teams, including Bucks. I like Bucks. I was merely asking if anyone knew if the kids (and they are not the only discovery players coming down from that area. Other teams/clubs have them as well) were going to still come down or play for NY Flash which is closer. How is that negative?

Anonymous said...

Dude there are more than 2 trying out all over the area.

Anonymous said...

6:23 cont'd. And my understanding they have two, a forward and a defender. And they are both good players. Nothing negative toward them at all. Again, they are not the only discovery players in the conference or the league from that area. It was a question since Flash is starting a team. That's all.
i know players from this league that have been invited to come to Flash.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard any additional information about composite team and approval status?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone heard that our u16 team lost to Mexico on pks. The point here is this: the Mexican pool is based out 90% of players from the Ecnl ! How is that possible we get 1st pick and we are still getting it wrong . How many players are we really missing?

Anonymous said...

The point is the US U16 team tied the Mex U17 team 1-1 and lost on pks. the same Mex team that made the CONCACAF final vs the US 17s and lost 1-2. The same team that is preparing for the World Cup. A team that has been prepping for some time.

So please. If you want to take as shot at the kids or the USSF, at least get you FACTS correct.

Anonymous said...

It was not the same team. Check the rosters. maybe you should get your facts straight. It was the Mexican B team. they were using the event just as the US was to see if there were any overlooked players for the WC roster.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like your kid went. Nope I am not the same poster as1:42. I agree our selection process is really screwed up with huge biases toward the FC Stars team and any player from Colorado where April Kater is centered. I can understand the emphasis on socal, but the other anamolies are unsubstantiated.

Anonymous said...

people crack me up. Just say, my kid deserves to be selected. u16s vs U17s. very credible performance. Why you use this as a tool to attack USSF selection OR the kids I have no idea. Please tell me EXACTLY who you think should be selected and why you think they will make all the difference?

NT selection is purely based on coaches preferences. Change the coaches, and the team will change. How many of the selected kids have you seen play? Why do you understand a Socal preference. Have you seen them?

I look forward to your reply.

Anonymous said...

MEX: 1-Kelsey Hernandez; 2-Ashley Soto (14-Reyna Reyes Stubblefield, 51), 3-Alessandra Munoz, 4-Kimberly Rodriguez Cubero, 5-Jimena Fuentes; 8-Alexia Delgado Alvarado (capt.), 9-Daniela Arce, 10-Dorian Hernandez Garcia, 11-Lizbeth Ovalle Munoz; 19-Venicia Juarez Smith, 20-Maricarmen Reyes Zarate (17-Luisa Delgado Heinz, 36)
Subs not used: 6-Venessa Gonzalez Marquez, 7-Dayana Cazares Vera, 12-Miriam Aguirre Olmos, 13-Maria Yokoyama Carreon, 15-Marianna Maldonado Gonzalez, 16-Celiana Torres Lopez, 18-Veronica Avalos Hurtado
Head Coach: Chris Cuellar

MEX: 12-Miriam Aguirre; 2-Ashley Soto, 3-Alessandra Ramirez, 4-Kimberly Rodriguez, 14-Reyna Reyes (18-Veronica Avalos, 90+2), 20-Maricarmen Reyes (17-Luisa Delgado, 56), 8-Alexia Delgado (capt.), 7-Dayana Cazares (19-Gabriela Juarez, 66); 9-Daniela Espinosa, 10-Montserrat Hernandez, 11-Jacqueline Ovalle
Subs Not Used: 1-Kelsey Brann, 5-Jimena Lopez, 6-Vanessa Gonzalez, 13-Akemi Yokoyama, 15-Alma Lopez, 16-Alexandra Martinez
Head Coach: Christopher Cuellar


I see several common players.

Anonymous said...

814

How do you know what the USSF were using the event for? The U17 team is set. You will not see non injury changes. U16 team is not playing for U17 selection.

Anonymous said...

Several common players is not the same team. The best players in qualifiers were not in Italy

Anonymous said...

Wrong there is a u17 camp going on now. They took a couple of the best U16 Italy kids to this camp to give them a look for the WC. There are always changes in the roster between qualifiers and the WC, Also a lot of the games were streamed. There are also some games on youtube.

As for selection... There is clearly a bias for Stars players because Dewhurst is a u16 coach. Can't deny it. Also Kater is the Colorado connection also undeniable. I won't put any kids out there to be ridiculed, but yes I think there is easily a team that could be put together of u17s that would clean the current YNT team's clock.

Anonymous said...

1014

what is your point? that the U16 team should be able to destroy the Mex u17 team? The US 17s didn't. why should the 16s? Please enlighten us all.

Anonymous said...

Since it wasn't the U17 MX YNT (any top offering form Mexico would include their best player by far- Jaqueline Ovalle), yes I think a group of top 2000 born Americans should easily beat the Mexican B team. I believe that even if the entire MX team was born in 1999 which I doubt. The American u17s at Qualifiers was probably over half 2000 and 2001 born kids.

Anonymous said...

The reality is that soccer is getting better at all levels from other countries as well. Makes for more entertaining Olympics and World Cups at all levels.

Nothing a gimme anymore.

Anonymous said...

so why did the US top offering with Ashley Sanchez not win 10-0?

Anonymous said...

you keep calling them a B team even though several common players. Still struggling to understand your point. If you actually have one.

Anonymous said...

the Pda gunners actually have 5 year 99 players so their will be a larger hole in their roster , for those that care

Anonymous said...

sorry i meant 7 my mistake

Anonymous said...

Point is that The team of 2000 sent to Italy wasn't very good. Simple enough for you? To answer the second question, that team isn't that great either. BJ Snow failed to qualify in 2014 and yet he keeps his position again demonstrating the lengths of the USSF incompetence?

Anonymous said...

The gunners are an excellent team. 5 holes mostly back line players can be filled by the current u15s for the most part. They play a team oriented, technically advanced attractive game. They will lead the 00 group nationally again next year as the 99s are doing now.

Anonymous said...

Obviously the USSF disagree with you. When you are in charge, you can pick the players you think are better. Until then, I really don't see the point in complaining. Our kids can work harder to get selected, or complain about the system. Your choice is clear. BTW, several of the U17 and U16 teams have been recruited by some of the best soccer schools in the country so I guess the college coaches don't agree with you either. if you think that these girls don't paly well as a team, then perhaps you have a valid point (if you have actually watched both teams)

But to suggest the players are not good is just idiotic.

Anonymous said...

No one is complaining or stupid enough, except possibly you, to believe that anyone of import is listening. This is merely a discussion board a fact which has not been lost on the majority of us. It has been suggested that the selection of these teams could be more comprehensive and less obviously politically motivated. Politics will never go completely away but the stars connection and Colorado dominance is pretty in your face. No one said they weren't good players either; simply that it was doubtful that they represented all of the best players in the country at that age. The USSF has been criticized pretty globally recently regarding the recent mandates and you suggest they are beyond reproach? Worst thing to happen to us women's soccer was winning the 2015 WC.

Regarding colleges. The coaches defend their performance by their recruitment record. Recruiting national players keeps the AD off their back and the contract renewed. A couple of u17 cycles ago the darling of the group was a kid named Summer Green. One of the if not the first Dorrance recruit in the class. Probably the TDS top ranked player in the class. Ask him how that worked out for him. Scoring a ton of goals against concacaf teams is no predictor of ultimate success. Read the articles on early recruiting and the coaches, the source of the issue, lamenting how many kids don't pan out for them. Those going very early usually have the national stamp of approval laid upon their foreheads. So the coaches recruiting these players means exactly what? That's verification of their superior quality and more importantly potential? I think not.

Watch the 2015 u20 NTC game USA versus Japan (YouTube) and tell me how well the USSF is doing with its selections. And the great Mallory Pugh is a bonus for your viewing pleasure.

Anonymous said...

My daughter was offered a spot on PF 98/99 combo team, supposedly will have the same ECNL schedule? Anyone on here have more info or experience with same?

Anonymous said...

why are you so bitter? FC Stars connection? What connection? A coach is always going to look at players he knows. Do you have any idea what the standard is, or are you just talking for talkings sake? Selection of any team is not fair. You keep talking about the selections when the obvious place to look is the actual style of play and the coaching. I have no clue what your cryptic comment about Pugh actually means, but she seems to have done OK at NT level. Using a NC kid as an example makes little sense given the way they play and his recruiting methods. Now that the number of schools attracting top players has broadened, pace, pressing and power does not work as often as it did in Dorrance heyday.

Are there kids who deserve a chance who have not gotten one? Definitely. Are there kids who are perhaps given too many chances? Surely. Your point about superior quality makes no sense. The coaches recruiting these kids are extremely competent. They want to win. In some cases, they are bigger than the AD in terms of rep. You really think that they are taking a kid who has an NT stamp to waste a scholarship and please an AD? You are reaching my friend. Your conspiracy theories are too far fetched. The bias you speak of may exist in a few limited cases, but to paint the entire group with that is just flat out bitter.

I hope your kid get selected soon because you need to get the monkey off your back!

Anonymous said...

Dude why make it so personal? This is a discussion board. The topic is of interest to at least a few people on here. Why try and beat it down?

Anonymous said...

Its not clear if the composite teams are going to be essentially "b" NPL teams or kind of function like the DA US club soccer run "pre-academy" teams for off year kids. I think it will be the latter. It will be a high level holding teams for the younger age group in the combined top age group. Most will be juniors. many will have a real chance to play in the ECNL top combined age group (then I guess 99/00) as seniors. I think it will be a lot like the pre-academy, very competitive, in DA club teams. In fact if some ecnl teams get DA the composite teams will likely morph into the pre-academy teams and plya in the us club pre academy leagues.

Anonymous said...

1209 What topic?

Anonymous said...

This was the original post on the "topic":

"Has anyone heard that our u16 team lost to Mexico on pks. The point here is this: the Mexican pool is based out 90% of players from the Ecnl ! How is that possible we get 1st pick and we are still getting it wrong . How many players are we really missing?

May 9, 2016 at 1:42 AM"

I did not post it. However, I thought it provoked interesting commentary and I don't think poster 10:49 needs to get personal

Anonymous said...

ok so my question is what score would USA u16s have to beat the Mex u17s by to negate the criticism? The OP original point is totally invalid given the teams are diff year. U17s beat Mex U17s 2-1. If he had posted after that game, maybe.

Someone certainly has an agenda and its not 1049.

what does Mallory Pugh have to do with the OP or the U16s?

Anonymous said...

Look its not 755 with all the hostility sent out to other posters. Maybe he's unhappy with the USSF but you are the one quashing the discussion with your personal garbage. Congrats to your kid if she was selected to an id or national event. I don't think there is any specific kid's selection except possibly the stars kids being questioned. Seems like the process is up for discussion. You have been successful in nixing any discussion of the selection process and performance of the ynts. Yes I agree that there were 2 FC stars kids out of 18 in Italy with their Coach is suspicious.

Regarding Pugh, not sure what the reference was other than to say that she played in the game referenced might make it more interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

what exactly is the point of the discussion? To point out FC Stars? Is that it? That sounds personal to me. No mention of their ability. Just that its ALL about the coach. That's personal BS. Those kids work hard. Or the kids from Colorado etc. I mean really, has the OP even seen them play? How is it suspicious? That sounds personal to me. Questioning the mans integrity and honesty. The best part is you read all this stuff from someone who has no clue other than a score on a web page and a list of names and what clubs they play for. And you defend it. smh

Anonymous said...

Just so you know these same points have been made in many other venues without inciting the kind of negative energy you have been sending out into cyberspace. Way too much of a reaction to be coincidence. The selection process has been criticized by many soccer pundits. Its been a topic for discussion on many soccer talk radio shows. recently Phil Shoen had a great show called grassroots something related to development and selection at youth levels and its affect on the national teams.

For example: Parchamn is a respected scout writer for Topdrawer

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2015/08/the-great-american-scouting-crisis/

This is a u16 blog and so we are discussing this topic as it applies to u16 players. Why act like its such a crazy subject with posters who have incited interesting dialog as villains? I get it you don't want discussion regarding the selection practices leading to a relative failure of the u16 GNT in Italy. Yes relative failure. 4th place and possibly 5th if they had been in the opposite group, is not up to gYNT standards. And yes...I am sure the USSF would agree

Anonymous said...

No offense to the two or three people posting about this whole Mexico vs us
Soccer stuff. Most of us really don't care out here in cyber world. Most of us really are more concerned with getting our players committed and getting good solid training. Since the board has been relatively quiet it's more noticeable and no one really cares lol

Anonymous said...

So start a more interesting discussion. Your post wasn't really a contribution to anything. If you are concerned about committments do you have anything to offer regarding visits? Any tips on coach emails? Any entertaining stories? Dos and don'ts? Questions you or your child has asked that resulted in useful information? When in the process is the best time to visit? Does it matter if it's a drive able day trip versus an airline ticket? In general has the process gone for those that are committed? How long did you dance before the invitation to the team came? When did you as a parent get involved in the discussion. Was there a negotiation? How has the coaches responded to attempts at negotiation? Take it or leave it or more flexibility? Have the club coaches been helpful in offering advice?advocating for his players? If you are disinterested in the YNT discussion contribute to a new "thread"
.

Anonymous said...

Both of these subjects are interesting to me (the USSF discussion as well as the commit/recruiting situation). Please continue the lively banter.


Anonymous said...

@10:00 am - re the composite team question.

From what I have heard, it should be very competitive soccer and training and will likely have same games as rest of ECNL teams in that particular club. But, ask the Director or Asst. Director of Coaching for additional information.

As far as recruiting, because of the unique situation within the various Leagues regarding the mandatory age group teams, it should be fine. But, you may want to get some feedback from college coaches, too. They know the deal and are trying to still do their jobs, too. They will follow the players to complete their roster spots.

If you hear or learn any additional information, please post.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:10...hey you should get some sleep :)
I feel like the DOC is just giving me the sales pitch...

Anonymous said...

7:00 Not sure where you are now, but any ECNL team will get looks over most non-ECNL teams. And, the Club you mentioned has a very good reputation as far as player development and transition into college. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Hey 711 you presume to speak for the masses? Apparently not according to 1150. Why not be positive and add yourself to the dialog instead of beating down those who try and contribute?

The ECNL composite is unquestionably a step down team to both the ECNL teams (u17 and u18/19). However it is a step above NPL level. At NPL level by this age it is highly doubtful that a kid will move up to ECNL. I would expect several, at least, of the 00/99/98 composite kids to move up to the 99/00 ECNL team a year form now. It will serve to "hold" and develop some talent for a year. I see it as an interim team of yes mostly bubble type players for a year. However a significant number of them will bump up back to ECNL for their final year in youth soccer. No I am not a coach or DOC. I am just a parent

Anonymous said...

@7:00, adding to the others who have commented re the composite team, not sure where your daughter is but it may be better for development to be on a composite team and get a lot of playing time and confidence than a roster add to another ECNL team where playing time may be little to none.

And, agree with 9:04, movement to other ECNL teams because of ability to show talent and commitment could occur as well, if that is what she or you want.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any insight as to when Clubs will start to hear if they have been chosen as DA? And, will this affect play for 2016-17 season or the following? Lastly, will those Clubs be able to participate in ECNL, too?

Birth year mandates and Development Academies at same time, Soccer Jenga going on.

Anonymous said...

Composite is about money. If the players are the same, whether you call them ECNL or NPL then surely the level is the same? I get the combining of age groups, but if development really was the goal, this would have been done ages ago. One team per age group makes little sense for girls.

I hear development all the time. What development? By this age, and even earlier, its all about recruiting the best players to your club and winning. If these club really created a true dev platform, why would we not see more NPL kids graduating to the ECNL teams? Where is the loyalty? Where is the growth?

The composite team is byproduct of inflated rosters, too many bubble kids being sold an ECNL ticket and now, when reality strikes, an attempt to keep the $$$ in house and offer a clear financially based compromise.

If that works for you, then im sure your DOC will be happy to take your dough. But lets call it what it is.

Anonymous said...

July 1 a rolling admission will start. The online application opened last week. The USSF could care less if the have both. I don't think the ECNL is going to mandate no ECNL for DA clubs, but I am going on that PDA is definitely going for DA and they are leaders in ECNL. The ECNL hasn't issued an official position. I think right now there is something gin the rules or bylaws that says a club has to enter its top team in each age group into the ECNL. That wouldn't necessarily be the case for DA clubs s the ECNL will likely have to change the rule to accommodate bot DA and ECNL teams within the same club. The USSF wont let individual players except for a limited number of "developmental players" (DP) play both.

Anonymous said...

PDA. So many conflicts of interest. Amazed they can keep up :)

Anonymous said...

10:09 - Agreed in part. Development in any sport anymore is a business. Gone are the sandlot sport days.

But ECNL is still being discovered by some families. So, those not developed in-house or by other quality ECNL Clubs, need to learn technical touches and soccer iq then those never exposed to it. And, there are some transfering of players from NPL to ECNL and both.

You do realize that some are not going to be high level athletes in any sports. That doesn't mean one can't enjoy them, get proper training and continue to develop. Developing is a lifetime thing; not limited to youth sports. Some top athletes didn't realize their potential until older. Youth is wasted on the young (and overly critical parents).

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:41, I guess you are feeding into the prior discussions re USSF and the inability to go outside their youth rosters for talent that may be up and coming as development (and biology; getting taller; stronger; smarter, etc.) are ongoing.

I guess that is why other sports have farm systems that are broader and then narrow. Maybe that is what the DA's are supposed to do.

Anonymous said...

1009 you are mistaken

This year is very unusual and following years the issue will be slightly mitigated, but the problem will continue to exist as it does with the DA. Basically the problem is present where there is more than one age group, representing more than one graduating class, on a team.

This year we have the u16 99/00 team, the u17 99/98 team and the u18 98/97 teams all of whom may contain players who were born in the year 1999 and 1998 and will not graduate before June 2017. These players will be available next year as high schoolers to play on the u18/19 99/98 team in 2017. Throughout our children's history we have encountered the stranded senior who was likely born between march and July, but was held back for whatever reason. They have played their youth soccer on teams with kids largely in the grade ahead. They bounce back as senior to play U19 (most tournaments don't have a u18 group only u19) or can play as "trapped seniors" in the ECNL U18 teams. So having an "extra kid" bounce down to an existing rising u18 team is not unusual. However what follows is:

This year, as has been historically the case, the U17 (mostly rising seniors) teams will largely become the rising u18/19 team with the 1 or 2 trapped rising senior 98s joining in from the current u18 team. Those trapped players would normally just be absorbed with little fanfare and all would be the same as has always been.

Except we now have a new and unprecedented, at least on the girls side, situation where this fully developed, existing team of mostly seniors, is the only possible ECNL level refuge for the kids born late year 1999 and coming from the U16 99/00 team. These kids are largely Juniors with 2 more years of youth soccer ahead of them. They have been playing at a "lower" younger level than those with whom they must now compete for coveted spots on the 99/98 ECNL team. They are indeed ECNL level players, but are less developed because of the previous cutoff and lesser number years to develop.

The clubs don't want to toss away half of the u16 99/00 team. These are players with 2 years left of youth soccer. Further, they may actually be among the stronger players, if developed well over the interim on "composite teams", on the following year's ECNL (DA) u18/19 teams. I agree one option would be to pour resources into the u18/19 NPL teams and simply shunt the lower level players down to lesser teams. In fact that's what I thought would happen. However, I don't disagree with the ECNL solution of this "holding" "composite" team of mostly junior displaced 99s for these players who are displaced because of the combining of essentially 1.5 ECNL level teams into 1 team.

Anonymous said...

This problem will continue on a slightly different basis throughout the life of the ECNL and will be exacerbated when the DA comes into play in 2017. I have boys also. This is what happens when you have 2 birth years combined on a single "top level" team. Each year there is an "off year" this year I think the DA is u15/16 99/00. Most teams will field 2-3 00 players as FT players and 2-3 more as DP type players who play a very few games a year with the DA team. They will however, field a U15 '00 "preacademy team" This team will hold and develop most of the clubs top 00s- excepting the 2-3 truly exceptional players who will play on the full DA team with most players a year older. These pre academy teams serve a very similar role as the "composite teams" put into play for the ECNL. Hold and develop players whom you believe have a chance to move up to be part of the top level (ECNL DA) when they are the oldest members of the age range groupings.

Whether they buffed up and marketed the NPL teams to echo the model in the pre-academy teams or created a new beast to admittedly largely aussage the angst of the parents of these younger kids doesn't matter. The intent is to hold and develop these players, many of whom will make up important pieces of the 99/00 ECNL (DA) teams the following year. They will augment this roster with the top NPL players giving them a chance to show where they stack up and possibly some bubble 00s. hence the "composite" potentially 3 birth years on one team.

No I am not a coach or a DOC I just understand the issues.

Anonymous said...

10:17 - thanks. Very interesting stuff. I guess ECNL will change its rules to reflect the changing landscape, too. Why would it want to loose top level Clubs; unless those Clubs will just place the non-DA level teams into an affiliate, substantially similar Club?

Anonymous said...

10:59. I think this solution makes a lot sense. We are finding logically solutions to the mess that the DA created. I'm sure the college recruiters will appreciate it too.

Question: do we know if all/most of the Northeast ECNL teams will be providing composite teams? So far this blog has really only talked about PennFusion having them.

Anonymous said...

11:07 - From what I have been told, each division/conference has to approve them. Not sure if its every team within each division/conference or majority rule. It's a great solution.

Anonymous said...

We were told every club in Northeast Conference will be fielding a composite team.

Anonymous said...

Don't see a downside. Most of these clubs have at least 3 teams per age group to move kids around

Anonymous said...

we heard last night that stars of mass and pda will have composite teams ,not sure if matchfit or fc bucks have decided yet . if you have heard please post here

Anonymous said...

so this is for development then? hahahahahhahah ok?

Anonymous said...

It is to provide high level play for these girls. It is also to provide a recruiting platform. Due to the birth year change, many of the current U16 99's get screwed. The composite teams provide a good solution.

The players and parents want this ... the clubs are providing. Capitalism is working.

The ECNL doesnt need to be the only league taking advantage of composite teams. It could make sense in many leagues.

Anonymous said...

12:35 - are there other leagues? LOL

Anonymous said...

1217 Apparently your reading skills are lacking. Perhaps a remedial class at Huntington learning center?

Anonymous said...

115 good idea. maybe I will try the Harvard "composite" course instead. Its more expensive so it must be better right?

Anonymous said...

@115 Continue confirming your inadequacies while providing us a chuckle at your expense.

Anonymous said...

Yeah we get it 226. Your kid isn't good enough for you to enter into this discussion so you need to fill the void and tear down what you can't have. Transparent in your desperation.

Anonymous said...

234. so I don't agree with you so I cant read and my kid is a bad player. Sounds logical hahahahahahhaha. also, why we? I doubt many share your view on my kid given that they don't know her. Desperate for what exactly, you to keep justifying the need for a composite team? Believe whatever you want to if it makes you happy. I think its all about money and nothing is going to change my mind.

Anonymous said...

Yup you're too stupid to waste time in trying and to change your mind (but this commentary is for others not you) and yes I think your kid probably plays low level travel and you gloat in how much money you save to make you feel better about her absent athletic prowess. If she was playing higher level national league USYSA or top tier (NEFC Quickstrike) NPL the money would be about the same. Even the Strikers are not a bargain anymore. So since you are saying the Composite team will be an expensive wasteland for development after others have well understood the lengthy explanation offered, and believe otherwise, you obviously have some disorder and/or unhappiness that prompts you to disparage other's choices.

Why don't you offer to us the reasons why you believe the model fails to offer development? let me help you along here: Do you take issue with the coaching staffs? Is the model flawed? However, to respond with intelligence is apparently an impossibility for you. FYI your haha... writings do not inspire confidence in your opinions or insight.

Anonymous said...

Its the same people responsible for developing. The same people who go out and try and recruit a better kid to replace what they have. The same ones who have 25+ on the rosters. The same ones who dont tell you the truth about where you actually stand.

Why all of a sudden, should these player develop on the composite team? None of this is really about teaching. Its about winning games and using that to convince the next person to part with more money.

Yu assume that only a jealous parent of a bad kid can see it for what it is. I am neither I am just not convinced that many kids are developing in this environment. Go look at the games. Poor soccer with excessive fouls, bad refs, coaches yelling and screaming from the sidelines. Poor tactical awareness, poor understanding of angles and the game . And this is U16 at the so called top level.

I am far from satisfied with the product and I don't see how a composite team changes anything. In fact, there should be fewer teams, age groups combined and better coaching. Fewer games and more training. However, this wont happen because it threatens peoples wallets. Right now there are enough college teams that the standard really does not have to improve to satisfy that. As long as Jane gets to say I committed to XYZ U then job done.

Im laughing at you because you think insulting me and/or my child is constructive. Its not and the ability of my child has nothing to do with my point. I don't need to be helped along by you. I have my own opinion. This has become big business. Money drives all of it.

Anonymous said...

Oh so you were on the inside and your kid got cut. Or you just happen to wander over to watch a bunch of games to draw these incontrovertible conclusions. Or better yet you are a coach who got fired or was not offered a top spot. None of the u16 teams in the Northeast have 25 on the roster so maybe you are lying. You started with the hostility.

There is no better, more consistent, platform for competition for girls right now than the ECNL. Not perfect, but none better. Will likely change next year with the DA. Many are interested in what that will mean to the girl's landscape. However, this year they offered a composite team to fill a void and you ridicule those who choose to take advantage of this opportunity. That speaks of anger and resentment.

Anonymous said...

...or he's a daddy coach. Kid might even be good enough for ECNL but he can't give up control. Thinks his little team is a great value. Game plan get the ball to my Mia. Resentful that some players leave his team to play in the big bad ECNL. Stalks the ECNL games telling himself how much better his product is.

Anonymous said...

This is why a true championship would be great (top ECNL teams [full rosters; commits and all] vs. USYS and NPL top tier teams]. Why doesn't that happen?

Anonymous said...

@4:44. I hear ya. Or, worse yet, lives through Got Soccer points. Thinks they really have meaning in recruiting and believes its money well spent.

Anonymous said...

Spitting all this vitriol al 3:50 just shows all your insecurities. You know Composite team = more club $$$ but you are too scared to admit it. 3:50 hit the nail on the head, me thinks it hit a big nerve!

Anonymous said...

350 amen brother

But you should know better than to argue with the ecnl soccer gods

Probably the same guy who said his player was emailed by college coaches while she was still on the field lol jk

But seriously you all are so entertaining

Anonymous said...

350 1025 1039 THANK YOU

Finally others speak up I for one am laughing at these bozos. But I guess it's just because my player isn't good enough or I don't know enough about good soccer. It's a good thing I come on here to be educated :-)

Anonymous said...

Since every NPL team is a weak representation of it' s ecnl club, where will the new " composites" fall?

Anonymous said...

10:39 - never saw that post re the player e-mailed by college coaches while she was on the field. I guess it was NAIA or DIII, right?

Otherwise, isn't it against NCAA rules for DI and DII coaches to have direct contact with any player/potential recruit until the summer of her Jr. h.s. yr going into Sr. year, right? What is the rule re contact?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

www.soccerwire.com/notes/jaime-frias-hired-as-u-s-soccer-development-coach-u-16-gnt-head-coach/

Thought the earlier commentors re YNT U16 team might be interested as an FYI.

Anonymous said...

This has been so entertaining...FYI for you ECNL haters...my Mia does NOT play ECNL and our club is also forming a composite team for the exact good reason that was provided above. More play time and looks as the 99s get screwed in this whole BYC.
Keep insulting each other, it's awesome!!

Anonymous said...

From what I see at our club , they are also forming a composite team and the team's core will be some of the best of the current u-16 team that has to leave because of the age .They will get the best of the 17/18 npl team to go along with them. They will be a strong group. The ecnl composite will do fine and the competition from the likes of the other northeast division teams will be good . Penn fusion , Stars of Mass and Pda doing this as well . What might get hurt is the npl teams as their best players move up to the ecnl structure. The costs between this team and a npl team will be about the same. The girls will be looked at by more colleges and the competition will be better.

Anonymous said...

415 I am not a believer that the current platform offers value for money. I ridicule the clubs and coaches who bend every rule in the book to keep the checks flowing. They make the rules up as they go along. Want to add a team of players for a LI team, but most of the kids are from NJ? no problem practice in NJ. Have to change age groups now so we may lose some kids to weaker ECNL teams etc? No problem create a composite team. At nowhere in the cycle are the coaches called in to question about actually taking players they have had for years and helping them get better. There are kids who have been with teams for a long time now getting shunted to the composite? Why? Because these teams have filled up with the best kids from other areas. Some travelling miles and for what? To win a few more games?

Im called stupid, illiterate a disgruntled daddy coach. My kid has been called a poor player. And why? Because I disagree with the rationale behind a composite team?

You call a simple statement hostile and yet im the only one getting insulted consistently. Not that I really care.

I believe that kids should get value for money. I believe that when you keep talking about the best platform, it should be consistent with its standards. Or do we jut create new teams to accommodate the demand irrespective of quality? If you look at ECNL expansion and the quality of the games now, its hard t argue that the players are really developing.

Anyway, thats my opinion and its what I believe.

Anonymous said...

What do we want as parents. More so than ever this year it appears as if the soccer establishment is further dictating how they will make promises, take your money and then do whatever suits them and their “supporters” If you are aligned/entrenched with a club/team/coach congratulations. If you are a parent of an 11-22 this year that thinks you upgraded by getting an offer for next year from a new club, good luck. In reality, at this age, everyone knows everyone else by now. They know who can play, who is on what College’s radar and how the player will help the coach, not how the coach can help the player. For the most part the players are innocent in all of this, to some extent most parents are as well, they want what is best for their player (and maybe some bragging rights on national signing day). The evil in all of this is the coaches. Whether it is ego, ability, or desire to get to the next level (how many of the ECNL/NPL staffs are also assistant/Head coaches at local colleges) they are the true decision makes. And they all know each other so If you think moving within that level will get you something better be careful that your old coach isn’t friends with your new coach. Hopefully they are rivals and your kid might be the new coaches steal. But for the most part the coaches are talking amongst themselves as players from club “A” show up at club “B”. Sour grapes on my part, not really, I’m just seeing what is happening and felt the need to send a warning. The one thing I have seen is some loyalty by a few coaches who are looking to keep teams together to finish out their club playing days. And I think this is causing additional problems with players who still need playing time in front of colleges. Also, remember the players that commit to your club team in May might get a better offer before leagues/showcases startup in December.

Anonymous said...

I have a quick question and a dilemma . Is it better to be on a composite ecnl 98/99 team at a top club or move to a ecnl 18/19 team that is most likely going to b 3 and 13 and not make the national playoffs. She will most likely get better training at the composite team due to the quality of the system and staff, but where is she better off for college recruiting ?

Anonymous said...

1251 great question. I would base the decision on training and relative distance from your home. I agree with the post above in that most kids are already exposed. people know who they are or better out, from a college standpoint the impact kids have been identified. I have no idea how the composite teams will draw relative to the u18 team. In my experience once committed, a lot of the mid level u18s who have used soccer to get in to schools but don't love it , start to miss games. getting 15 healthy and committed players is hard. I think the composites will actually be better in that regard because of the younger kids, just my view. College coaches are going to come see the players they want to see but the composite sale may be difficult as the perception is that the players are nbot "good "enough for the on age ECNL teams.

Training is always the most important as the kids spend more time doing it than actually paying games.

Good Luck

Anonymous said...

Why not just do what has been happening all along? Leave it up to the parents/kids to decide if that is the path they choose. It's their money. Spend it here or there. No matter what, it's being spent.
If the composite system fits their needs/team works, then great. If it doesn't, move to another place that fits. Isn't that what happens at this level any how?

Anonymous said...

people don't need others to "inform" them of evils ect this far into the game. Therefore my conclusion also is that those disparaging the ECNL and other clubs that are offering "composite" teams have an agenda. This is an opportunity potentially for players and families to take if they so desire. my kid is fortunately an 00, but I am hearing people say they think these teams ECNL or otherwise are good solutions for them. So what's the problem?

Also thanks for the u16 gnt link. Interesting. Wonder if the Stars coach will keep his assistant postion and influence. Will be entertaining to watch that play out.

Anonymous said...

To all the Composite experts :

What other teams are you going to play?
Will there be the same travel requirements as other ECNL teams ?
Separate practices ?
00s,99s and 98s all on one team ?

Thank you



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