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Monday, August 14, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

734 Most currently DONT come from your so called Mega Clubs. In fact on a percentage basis, the mega clubs are doing the worst job of player development IF you believe YNT camp inclusion is the barometer. Almost all the commetns i have read above re-inforce my original thoughts on the DA concept. There are currently nowhere near enough players of the required quality to support the number of teams. The question is whether a GDA will change that in the future. The discussions about how to differentiate between players at the margin is not what a DA is supposed to be about. Its supposed to be about the top of the pyramid. Anything else is just more of the same.

Anonymous said...

1019 I dont think its a business opportunity. Not relative to the other options. Thats why Clubs have pulled out. You dont control costs, you cant add numbers and you have to follow guidelines you dont set. That is not attractive for many Clubs

Anonymous said...

GDA should be a conduit to where the best players flow and are trained to play in a highly competitive environment. Good coaches who can recognize individual talent and get the athletes to play as a team, not in a system. If you look at successful national and premier league teams you see coaching styles that are successful when they allow a certain amount of creativity within their environment. There also needs to be an understanding of what a team is; Competition to be the best where the girl on the bench can fill multiple roles on the field and has the opportunity to fulfil her potential The problem with the current ECNL model is girls on the bench are pretty much on the bench, seeing minimal time in a model that supports the coaches and the starters getting looks. One area the GDA should focus on is roster size and player rotation. If they are on the team in a roster of 18 they are capable of being on the field. If there is a concern that 18 is too small, build pools and have honest evaluations to break into the game day roster. Schedule league games where the top 18 play and Scrimmages where the next 5 get their chance. My experience has been coaches sometimes cannot see their star players mistakes or their bench players skills once the season starts limiting the ability for players to advance.

Anonymous said...

Wrong check the roster of the U17 WNT that just went to Jordan. Very heavily weighted toward mega clubs

Anonymous said...

911 I agree it is a human trait to see only that which reinforces your preconceived idea and discard that which is discordant. Sometimes there is no getting over that and your kid must change teams to get a fresh look.

The focus of the GDA will be the same as the ECNL, forward the top few players on the roster. That number will be greater in the mega clubs where they will be pushing 10-15 kids forward to 1-5 on the smaller clubs until they too grow.

Does anyone think that kids will forgo Cedar stars or Pa Classics or Penn Fusion or VDA for the NWSL programs? Will there be a flood from Bethesda and mcLean to Spirit? Will the Richmond kids drive to get to a DA?

Anonymous said...

1021 not the mega clubs in our area. and the U17 WC roster is not the only measure. Goo look at camps from u15 - u18. PDA and FC stars are no more represented than anyone else around this area. If you have more teams and more kids then in theory you should be producing more players no?

Anonymous said...

Ahhhh, but 3:58 - dont coaches always like the shiny new penny?

An exciting new talent that has been either unknown or out of reach will always have their creative minds working overtime.

Anonymous said...

911 I dont understand the play as a team part. This is about individual development. Coaches believe they can mold talent into a team concept. The aim here si to develop better individual skills. Everything you said applies to the ECNL as well. Its your Club that chooses to implement it that way. As far as what coaches see, unless you watch every practice, then you really dont know what they see. Every kid on every team should have chance to play enough time in games to develop. Thats what you are paying for. Dont let anyone tell you different. What is earned is the difference between 30mins and 80+, no one should have to earn 30 mins. If that is the case then you are in the wrong club or on the wrong team or playing for the wrong coach. That part has ZERO to do with the GDA.

Anonymous said...

8:15 - i get it re the guidelines that come along with it. But, if your Club can ascend a player to the top of the pyramid, then kids will come to that Club.

And, if that top pyramid is attainable within that organization then many will come to grow within the development system and then the few will be sent up the pyramid. If the opportunity is not there, kids will go elsewhere. While achieving that level is very hard, many will seek it anyway. Parents will direct their kids to those Clubs; kids will want to play there because of the potential in being ID'd.

And, that "potential" will not exist at other Clubs without DA's. You read the blogs. This is where most players (and parents) see themselves; likely or not.

While USSF may be involved in how to run the top pyramid, the rest of the teams within the Club will be run by the Club. And, those teams make up the majority of the players and ARE the real money makers for the business.

Don't underestimate the GDA as the business lure.

Anonymous said...

The mega clubs have a hugely disproportionate representation on any given YNT camp roster. The only team from each club that should be compared is the A teams. The mega clubs might have 6 teams per age group but the only team that will possibly contribute a YNT player is the A team. I dont know why i am even arguing its a clear fact.

Anonymous said...

Have people on this blog that are currently within organizations that were granted an emblem heard anything about what is going on? Has your organization told you about upcoming id events? You don't have to acknowledge your team as some are keeping it close to the vest to limit the amount of transfers.

I saw the PA Classics post above. How many non-ECNL Clubs were granted DA emblems?

Anonymous said...

11:46 AM

The play as a team part is eventually the top girls for the PA classics and PF DA teams will need to mesh. So individual skills would be the balance of training with soccer knowledge being the second largest. You can have a player who can have footskills for days, juggle, dribble 1v1 but if they do not know how to engage the team at the right point they cannot impact a game. I have seen girls in practice that will dribble around other girls but not have an idea of where a pass should go. I have seen shooters that can score every time they take a nice pass in a drill, but once they need to play without the ball to space they are lost. These are the things a DA environment through breakdowns and class room need to incorporate. At the ECNL level we initally had this type of oversight where an hour a week was soccer knowledge, white board, watching games both their own and USNT, premir league etc. But this has gone away to lasy 3 day a week light skills and scrimmage. Lets hope the GDA has a solid holistic plan to bring up the next generation of NT players. Bring skilled individuals together to bond, learn and deliver quality teams.

Anonymous said...

Why are you mentioning those two teams? I have watched others teams that also have GDA emblems have the some of what you described going on right now. The birth year has blended teams that had no playing experience together. And, the younger girls of the birth year are still getting up to speed, most of them, with the older birth year. The younger girls had to skip a year of soccer development, essentially.

Anonymous said...

2:58 - isn't that what the GDA is supposed to do? That is why development (including chalktalk and tape meetings) will be more important than game play.

Anonymous said...

3:24 PM
Team names were just point of reference and teams I am familiar with. My daughter plays/played for niether. Each in my opinion have solid programs and should provide a quality environment. My daughter is aging out, finalizing her plans and taking SATs (again). She is not an NT prospect. has a high school season left and want's to finish out there. Her club team has gotten her some good looks an interest at the level she is looking to play. My perspective is that someone in her position may do more hamr then good to jump ship to go to GDA, especially with no real training or games at least until late spring early fall.

Anonymous said...

3:37 - I agree good organizations/teams. And, I also agree with your perspective. If she isn't an NT prospect or wants to do that type of training, then no need to move. And, if she is happy (then you are happy, too). So, no need to move.

But, there are others out there that want to go to the slots that will open up when kids move to NPL, ECNL and up to GDA even if they don't want the GDA sessions. . They want to be in that tiered system.

No matter where you are, you have to enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

206 i just dont see any facts to support your statement with respect to the teams form our area. To clarify, you should tell us who the mega teams are becasue i see recent NT camp invitees from PDA, Stars, World Class, Penn Fusion , MatchFit, Albertson to name a few. are they all mega teams ?

Anonymous said...

She Believes Cup; great games scheduled. Hope they don't strike.

Anonymous said...

1146 . No they are not. That has nothing to do with the DA. Individual skill doe snot mean juggling or drills. Im talking individual development. Playing "as a team" is not part of the equation as such. the big problem with most people DA evaluation is that they are looking at it as parents of 2000s. wind it back to 13 yr olds. ( I thnk its still late) AT that level the DA is supposed to be an environment where they can learn to be creative and try things without fear of it impacting a result ofr a game. They can develop as individuals as opposed to being molded into playing as a tam . All that tends to do is inhibit risk taking and development at a young age., An academy is not about team development.

Anonymous said...

348

Who is an NT prospect. we are in a 2000 thread her, so its a fair question . Thats the point. by current metrics, if I take every kid in our area who has been to a real NT camp whats the number? 30 kids max? So what are we talking about here. the kids who to date are not NT prospects playing GDA soccer for one year? Not reall relevant I think. This is all about the future and the hope that this kind of structure with more practice, more focus and lower cost will open things up for more players to emerge. We already know what the current system has produced over the last 4 years for our kids.

Anonymous said...

All good except the YNT coaches aren't interested in creativity. They either coach it out of them or don't pick them or turn them into play 15 minutes the whole week and done. The u17s and 20s were very creative don't you think? Love that the GK was awarded the assist for the Japanese goal scored during the run of play. That, indeed, says it all.

Anonymous said...

4:39 - well, since the process of NT evaluation currently takes several cycles (about 2 yrs, +/-) maybe that will change at GDA. There are kids on their radar that weren't there 2 yrs ago as the game as well as the kids have evolved and matured. And, maybe they will be inviting more as they have with the older groups recently.

That aside even for those who won't make the NT, but want the opportunity to have higher level training, as one previous poster noted, how is getting more training & development and less travel a bad thing?

Anonymous said...

550.No one said it was a bad thing. Its just not going to impact 2000s. Our 2000s have been throughout the cycle and I accept your point about change and Im factoring that in. 30 or so kids, thats it. I can see that number going up, but its going to take time and impact the younger ages, not us. As far as higher level training, Im sure at most Clubs its the same coaches. The Clubs that have always been development focused will stay that way, those that are not may well not change much. Less travel? Maybe.

Anonymous said...

And that is why there will be choices to be had for these gals and their parents. Do I stay or do I go.

Anonymous said...

"Hope they dont strike"

- yep - and hope the same ol' same ol' dont get all the PT (yeah, looking at you, Pinoe)

Anonymous said...

To chime in, agreed, the greater impact of GDA will be felt by the younger teams. And, also agree with the previous poster, the cycle starts when the kids get on the NT radar and some are just getting on the radar, including 2000's.

To underestimate the value of higher level training by writing it off to same old coaches is a little rough. As someone noted, there are guidelines as to the training. I expect they will be amped up.

Anonymous said...

Was DA training provided to the clubs that received DA status. Will current coaches assume responsibilities for DA teams or will US Soccer have a say in who is coaching at the DA level. For the older teams (2K birth year) will it just be the current top team and coach with some USWNT oversight?

Anonymous said...

Clubs are responsible for their DA coaches.

US Soccer has dictated - or is it simple suggested - a minimal level of schooling for said trainers.

Anonymous said...

9:42 AM

So basically status quo based on the club being named a girls DA. I do believe the clubs had to submit a comprehensive application with coaches credentials. My daughter was at a club that threw it's name into the hat and was not chosen. I believe it may have been related to the credentials of the Girls coaching staff. And possibly the combined record of girls teams over the past few years.

Anonymous said...

So far the pattern is pretty clear. USSF went in very hard on requirements and as Clubs pull out , they have eased them. The coaching certification requirements that were first suggested as mandatory have been eased significantly. Given the nuber of DA clubs, the USSF need the coaches so they have lowered the bar.

Why do you think a Coach who has not focused on the sort of individual dev the USSF talk about will suddenly change because they say so? Its largely the same coaches in the same environment training the same players. Im interested to know why anyone thinks it will be different?

The DA is an attempt to design a system for (and Im being generous) the 1% when the other 99 are quite happy with what they have. Im not saying its a bad thing, but I do think we could have had the exact same thing IF the ECNL cared more about really developing players to the max. The ECNL is far too expensive, has far too much travel and really does nothing but provide a glitzy event platform and a one stop shop for coaches . The player development part comes down to each coaches interpretation of it and how he goes about doing it. I dont see teh GDA changing that, no matter how mcuh they want to. there is too much $$ in the status quo.

Anonymous said...

more will follow match fit and forgo the GDA in favor of keeping the ECNL. Watch as the fireworks start. Why have some clubs that last year made a big deal out of age group change ID clinics Gone radio silent about GDA ID clinics? Why are the clubs advertising clinics the ones that never had ECNL?

Anonymous said...

1111 I can see that happening. The incentive to be part of it is hard to see. Once the excitement of the initial announcement was digested and more facts came out, it seems that the USSF have overestimated the demand for what they are selling.

Anonymous said...

Lots of interesting posts about the GDA. I even see some discussing how they don't think coaching will change at some clubs.

My child has had the opportunity of being invited to various select events where the coaching is elite level (high level college and pro level). I have heard this is what the GDA coaching will be like from some that will be coaching GDA. This is what USSF wants.

Anonymous said...

Some of the clubs that have gone radio silent may be happy with most of the players already in the club to fulfill the GDA slots.

And, agree with above poster, the coaching will be different because the level of player will be as well.

Anonymous said...

That is a correct point. In particular in places where there is an over saturation of the soccer market re ECNL and premier level USYS teams, the GDA team will be, you would think, all high level soccer iq's and ability. It will be a coaches' dream to coach this type of squad.

Anonymous said...

117 . Not sure what Clubs you are referring to, but where are these new players coming from? I dont see how the player pool will be different. It may be in time if this si a success, but right now , I cannot see where you think all these new talented players are going to emerge from. And the coaches. Where? are they going to be paid more by the GDA? Why would the coaches change?

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Have any watched some of your club coaches outside of the club in an elite training environment?

When they are training kids that as some have noted are hitting or close to hitting their ceiling, they coach accordingly. They have to. When they are coaching kids that have the higher level ability and iq, the coaching is different.

Anonymous said...

1:26 - in my kid's area, I know of players from other clubs that don't have a GDA that are looking to join GDA. These kids are great.

And, the coaching, well these coaches coach or have coached boys' academies already and when they are coaching high level kids, they coach that way. It's much, much different.

Anonymous said...


FWIW

http://www.ussoccerda.com/161223-wnt-jill-ellis-headlines-girls-development-academy-launch-meeting

141 ..My Club is supposed to BE an elite training environment already.

Anonymous said...

147 I guess we are at different ends of the Club spectrum then. My kids are at an ECNL Club already so I really dont see it being any different.

Anonymous said...

World Class has announced ID sessions for Academy and ECNL - boys and girls

Anonymous said...

1:48 - and I am sure it is, but most times the coaching is to the average player on the team which is probably higher than average, but may not be elite.

I think they try to coach to the top level player, but some aren't getting there and some won't get there. It's what happens at this age, the separation of the ability. As some have said, the ceiling.

When you have a group of kids that understand the why and the how and don't look at you in a blank stare, you can coach and challenge differently.

I watched my kids on my kids' team that is very good, duck behind players during games to avoid getting the ball. Elite players don't do that. So, these kids have reached their ceiling.

Anonymous said...

A comparison between the ECNL map and the GDA map is interesting. GDA expands into few markets not already served by ECNL. In the greater Philadelphia market, only the PAC GDA really opens up a new market, that being Central PA and Northern MD. Although a few currently travel from the Harrisburg area for ECNL or NPL at PF or Continental, it is still quite a commute. PAC as a GDA provides an enticing new opportunity to those in the hinterlands with a much shorter commute.

Anonymous said...

That link is to the meeting in december that some pronounced earlier in blogs that Ellis didn't attend. Provides no current information. I am sure after the convention, some things have changed. Would be interested to hear what.

Anonymous said...

Oh, made the comment about some noting Ellis didn't attend (when she clearly did), how incorrect some info on the blog can be, too. It's a good discussion board, but may not always be reliable.

Anonymous said...

1:53 - my kid is on an ECNL team already, too. We expect the GDA to be even better; more challenging.

Anonymous said...

203 ..I dont think people said that . They said HEINRICHS did not attend...and she didnt. She was at the strikers camp.

Anonymous said...

242 Why? Im not sure why people think that these elite players;/coaches are suddenly going to emerge at your Club.

Anonymous said...

159 there is going to be the same ability separation at the DA. Nothing has changed there. its a myth if you think that all of a sudden every GDA team is going to be full of NT caliber players. its simply going to be a transfer of some of the better players in most clubs to a different training/playing routine. In fact there is going to be dilution as some of the better kids choose not to play DA and stick with ECNL and HS.

Anonymous said...


FC Bucks has announced their ECNL ID sessions for Boys and Girls starting this month. I heard PF and Continental are talking merger. Not sure if that can happen this cycle so we should see their ID session dates being posted individually and soon.

I hear the word “great” players thrown around on this board. I would like to hear a definition of great? To me with the exception of a striker or Keeper with great stats defining great is very subjective and even for a striker who is amassing points you need to look at the competition as well as looking at a keeper who is racking up clean sheets. So great is in the eye of the evaluator and the criteria is as wide as the pitch is long across evaluators. There probably is a litmus test or some type of checklist but it really comes down to king of the hill. Bubble up the great players as evaluated within their current club, see how they fare against the great players locally, then take the great players locally to a regional and eventually national. Are the greatest players on the ECNL National champion U16 and U17 squads, what about having them play against the USYS National Champions. It’s all pretty subjective when you look at it. Then throw in travel time, school, family and the mental side and a great striker who scores 50 goals in her league becomes the homesick 2 goal scorer when she has to be away for a season. I have seen it a few times with D1 recruits going to big programs and returning to a local D1 or lesser after their freshman year. The GDA is a great motivator for parents on a Soccer message board. To me it’s just another level of revenue for the already bloated clubs. Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. With the exception of very few girls most of us will be paying for the bulk of our kids’ education if we are expecting soccer to be the ticket. Let them enjoy the game, if they are a top club player they will be a top HS player and enjoy the experience. By being an athlete (especially girls) they know hard work and determination so their grades should be sufficient to get some merit and academic scholarships (most college coaches exhaust that bucket first anyway).

Anonymous said...

So, top ECNL kids are just going to be happy playing second tier next year? I dont see dilution, no.

Anonymous said...

3:05

Do you think ANY player will get better looks, earn more scholarship $$ by leaving ECNL or NPL for Academy?

Any? Can you see it happening at all?

How about an improving game? Go back a year later - after a season at Academy - and look at the same player - what will you see?

Anonymous said...

315 .. who said the players wont get better? I said that the coaching and the players themselves are not going to change much. as in the names on the jerseys. If those players are in the ECNL and playing and improving, why are they suddenly going to benefit EVEN MORE from something called the GDA ? Those same players have been available to eb seen by USSF staff. Ate they suddenly going to add 30 new people on staff to evaluate Clubs and players? No. Its the same thing essentially with a different brand. Clearly many of the ECNL DoC s agree with me. Players and coaching is not going to improve AT A FASTER RATE just becasue the USSF put a new badge on a Club and call it a DA. Players improved in the ECNL . They improve at most clubs over time if they want to. This si about the GDA CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE and I dont see how that is going to happen.

Anonymous said...

307 So you think that every kid on an ECNL team is going to want to be on a DA team? can I ask why? I dont see waht you think the DA is going to offer that the ECNL does not.

Anonymous said...

3:15
3:05 here
I do not see and upsiade to going GDA for a girl (2000/2001) in ECNL/NPL or currently in strong talks with their desired school (and by desired I mean a school that has voiced a true interest and that has been communicating with a player). The question for the younger girls is: Will college coaches see GDA as the top tier and will all of the millions of $$ invested in ECNL/ECNL showcases/ECNL college Coach relationships go down the drain and the Colleges will focus on those players for their programs?

As for an improving game. I don't think the GDA or ECNL will make leaps and bounds when it comes to shaping the way the game is played. If you watch an FC Bucks vs Continental game then Watch PDA vs Matchfit you will see evenly matched teams playing each other but different levels of soccer. GDA will be training games where the level of effort may be higher because the outcome is not standings based but player based. In other words ECNL will be teams playing to be a national champion, GDA teams will be to sharpen Iron with Iron.

Anonymous said...

@2:41 - 2:06 here - ".there was no one there to answer questions. The boys technical director was there, but no Jill Ellis, no April Heinrich. April was at a keeper/striker showcase, that I guess was more important *cough* or paid more money *cough*.

Notes Jill Ellis not there. Thereafter, someone put up the link to show she was. Just saying, not all on the blogs waste their times with facts. @12/22/16 - this is in the U16 Blog.

My kid U16/U17 so look at both.

Anonymous said...

332 the playing for a National Championship rhetoric only flies at certain Clubs. There are real consequences of that approach. Look at PDA where you have kids that were good enough to be on a championship team who were then deemed not good enough to make an on age ECNL team the following year..This is a 2000 forum so my comments are in that context. For the 2000s the DA is not going to do anything except perhaps provide bill board material. By that I mean if a Clubs current NT players choose not to play DA, then that will be news. mainly becasue the younger kids look up to those players, but at my kids Club, the GDA ( if it happens) is the same coaches and largely the same players and I think that will be the case at the majority of ECNL Clubs. The other thing that may change is if certain DA Clubs offer scholarships to the best players at other Clubs . Im looking at you Cedar Stars. If tey decide to make it free for all the DA teams( I think they have) then maybe that entices kids form the other Clubs

Anonymous said...

338 just shows you that we know what we are talking about here. No clue about the u-16 folk.

Anonymous said...

Sure, some kids may or may not play GDA. I would not say all best kids will defer GDA and play high school. Some want to be ready to play high level in college and GDA will get them closer to it than HS. And, GDA isn't for all. It's for some. It's the pyramid.

I'm not trying to diss HS but refing is horrible, coaches while may be well meaning still over schedule practices and multiple consecutive games. I had a conversation with our HS coach about it and he said, well they play consecutive games in tournaments. And, I responded, but they aren't in school for many, many hours prior which can be mentally exhausting if there are multiple tests, etc. (and some on a bus for an hour prior to start of school); they were resting at hotels.

HS has too many overuse injuries (which is exactly what USSF is trying to stop). Some kids that would have been invited to camp or back injured due to HS.

Anonymous said...

3;24 - GDA won't be everyone's cup of tea and will not be for everyone on their current team. It will be a blended team of 99/00; 01/02, etc. the better players in those age groups and most probably not all from within the Club. I imagine some kids from ECNL improving and getting called up too. This will improve player development. Kids who want to push themselves and have a desire to play GDA, will. And, those that don't want to won't. It's the next step in the process.

Anonymous said...

3:47 well, this is a U16/U17 blog. So, disagree with your statement.

Anonymous said...

And, didn't say THIS discussion board incorrectly noted Ellis' attendance. I noted it was incorrectly stated within discussion boards. Just cautioning some to not always follow the blogs for advice.

Anonymous said...

@3:24 - I understand what you are saying. WC is having sessions. I expect others to come out shortly too; otherwise, some GDA Clubs may loose kids who expected them to be players. As someone previously noted, it's a business lure.

ECNL will still thrive especially with the boys coming on board. However, since the founder left, I don't think it is what is was, but that's my opinion. But, with the boys coming on board, we all know what can happen; the boys will be the focus. Hopefully, that doesn't occur.

Anonymous said...

3:05 - who are the USYS Nat'l Champions? Are the the USYS team in an ECNL Club? Not trying to be saucey, just wondering as some have both in their Clubs; or actually all three (ECNL, NPL, USYS).

Anonymous said...

400 Post like yours I don't understand. If you dont like the injury risk of HS, then dont play. Soccer has too many overuse injuries, its not just HS. The kids play far too many games in far too short a time span because of the size of the country and the need to convince uneducated parents that the more games they play the better the return on the huge $$ they spend. You and your child are in FULL control of how much she plays. You cannot blame anyone else . USSF are trying to develop more players. They are trying to get the practice ot game ratio right to do that. Injuries are not really the motivation.

Anonymous said...

409 I understand what the GDA is trying to do, but here are teh facts. any Academy is made up of

Coaches - where are new ones going to come from? or , more likely., is it the same coaches we already have. Apart from practice time, which many Clubs augment with extra sessions anyways, what are the GDA proposing that a current high level team (ECNL or otherwise) cannot currently do IF the goal of said Club is to develop, train and attract better players? Answer NOTHING. SO why do we think that much is going to change.?

Players- Aside form shuffling players who are already in the Club its a zero sum game. Unless you see the GDA suddenly creating an iflux on new players, its the same player pool in teh North east. We know who the players are already. If Jane leaves PDA for Cedar Stars we have not added anything. Jane is most likely to be leaving PDA becasue its NOT going well, as opposed to Im the best player on this team and Im playing 90pct of the available minutes so Ill leave.PDA is not likely to lose the player they consider to be the best they ave, so where do you think the upgrade in talent is going to come from?

The GDA is a process that over time may well be great, but right here and now, I dont see the big gains that some of these threads seem to suggest Right now, there is NOTHING stopping a devoted talented player form improving their game in the current pre GDA environment.

As far as inclusion in YNTs, how is that going to work? Right now the USSF rely on recommendations and limited scouting at games. They dont come to the NE and watch practices on a regular basis. its why so many complain about bias. What is going to change? They are still going to rely heavily on recommendations. They may actually come and scout more, but they need to hire the people. As of now they dont even have a Technical Director for the GDA.

I see the theory, but the practical application is all that really counts and we have yet to see it.

Anonymous said...

One of the big advantages of the GDA for some, but clearly not all players is the 10 month schedule. There are a significant number of top players who do not enjoy high school soccer because the level is very low, the reffing is horrific, the coach is a biology teacher who played rec as a child, and the game schedule is difficult on the body. There are also many players who love the experience and won't give it up. However, for those who don't enjoy participation in high school soccer, there will be a developmental advantage conveyed through the higher level training and lower impact DA schedule.

Anonymous said...

925 that exists already at several Clubs. You say a significant number, but how many of your so called top players do NOT play HS now? No one i s currently forced to play and IF you feel soccer development is important to you, then you probably stopped playing already to focus on that in the Club off season.

Anonymous said...

I agree that HS is low-level, but I am not sure why the coaches are always described as "biology teachers etc". My daughter had a good HS coach and 3 other coaches in the conference are ECNL licensed coaches. Is the bad HS coaching specific to NJ or another area?

Anonymous said...

1108 I agree. I have no issue with HS, but I dont understand why any player who is serious about actually getting better would do it. Its far too much play in too short a time. Often on poor surfaces with bad referees. Its the perfect time to recover from the Club season and work on individual things for your game. No issue with anyone who wants to play tho. good for them.

Bundesliga has a winter break,. The Clubs at the top of teh EPL are playing once a week. A huge advantage over the ones who are in the CL and other Cups who may play 2x. Rest and recovery are underestimated and girls are subjected to way too many high stress games.

Anonymous said...

We have a GDA now for any serious player they have a league where everyone thinks the same.

For any that want to play HS go for it - if you are taking HS over GDA then you don't have the same dreams as the players that want just GDA and that's okay just don't complain - play ECNL or what ever league and be happy.

Life is filled with choices make one and leave the other alone.

Anonymous said...

Hey 8:12 - of course playing HS ball is within the player and her parent's control. That was not an issue. I have, myself, advocated on behalf of others that were injured, unnecessarily, due to some of the things set forth.

Oh...here's the quote from Heinrichs supporting the poster's USSF view:

“No one is talking about high-school soccer as a player development environment,” Heinrichs told Woitalla. “It’s a social environment. A ‘my daughter gets her name in the local newspaper’ environment. It’s not a player development environment. In fact, it develops bad habits and complacency. For any player who wants to play in college, the best environment is going to be club soccer.

We know from research and from leagues around the world and our own experiences in this country that the rate of injuries is tremendous in girls soccer, and largely it’s an overuse issue … In soccer, there’s been no moderation. We’ve been asking our players to play on high-school teams, club teams, ODP, state teams … The Development Academy puts standards in place that are player development standards.”

THEIR words.

Anonymous said...

@8:26 - I heard the same arguments when my older daughter moved from USYS to the unknown ECNL. I am sure she will tell you, it was never a regret.

Take SE PA for example, it has 3 ECNL clubs and several very good USYS teams in a 2 hr travel distance. So, just using 99/00 (as this is the age group of this blog), I forsee a very good academy team if the top kids from all of these clubs come together. And, that doesn't include any kids from NJ, MD.

And, I agree with another poster re the coaching. When coaches are working with younger kids, they aren't striking the ball too hard, they are challenging but not overloading them. They are developing. As the pyramid gets smaller, the expectations get higher, kids are weeded out based on ability and iq and the coaching is challenging accordingly.

Keep an open mind. All of this is evolving.

Anonymous said...

so becasue Heinrichs says it you believe it? Lest face it, she has done an amazing job with our Youth Teams :) I just read the quote and injuries are NOT primary motivation. Developing better player is. Pre ECNL when we had almost all the players playing in HS , why were we doing so much better at youth level?

Anonymous said...

Well, today were are in 2017. Because pre-ECNL (2009), youth soccer participation numbers were not what they are today and hs was backyard soccer as were some teams.

And, the rest of the world had not all taken a page out of the US playbook, yet.

Also, the amount of internationals playing in high level soccer college programs was not what it is today. These are just my observations being in the sport since 1970's.

And, the article while speaking about development also draws attention to the obvious, overuse injuries. Don't they still prohibit a player returning from a NT camp from returning to active participation in club, hs, etc., for 1-2 weeks? That isn't development, that's safety for the player.

Anonymous said...

214.. its not evolving. The ECNL simply Nationalized what was a regional product. they created some standards ( not many) and used it as a way for the top Clubs at the time to charge more money. Have starndards improved dramatically becasue of it. We are doing worse now in the Youth events than ever. There are 2 things going on her that run parallel BUt are ot the same

1. Developing players who can fill COLLEGE rosters. With t9 and the explosion of teams, that demand was always going to create a need for more players. Any league would satisfy that as they can only recruit what we produce

2. Developing ELITE players. We are no better at that than we were, hence the USSF stepping in and saying we can do it better.

if we are talking about point 2, they have not told us one method by which they are going to really do that. What have they done? In the NE they have awarded GDA tags to largely the same Clubs that have the ECNL designation.The same DoCs , the same coaching infrastructures. The same fields, the same pool of referees. Whats new? One extra practice and a few less games ? Combining age groups? Do you really think this makes better players?

I an not convinced that there are that many female players who want to excel BEYOND getting a College scholarship. Go to the boys DA and ask the kids what they want to be. I bet most say a Pro. In the girls DA a doubt whtehr more than 10 pct want to be. the motivation is far far different.

im not saying that the GDA wont be good. It maybe, but its going to take a long time to bear fruit. For 2000/2001s the ship has largely sailed in terms of DA benefit. In the NY/NJ area you have Cedar Stars, WC, PDA, Alby, EM ..all GDA. Im sure im missing a few. that is 300 elite players., 120 on LI alone. There is no way the supply of players at that level is currently there. Compare it to AAu basketball. That has exploded becasue the economics make it worth while. The way you increase participation is to make it more relevant culturally and soccer is just not that game in the USA.

So in summary, Point 1 has driven the growth of the ECNL.. it is not clear what will drive Point 2, but 1 and 2 are not close to being the same thing.

Anonymous said...

And that is why we have opinions and mine has as much value as yours.

Btw - I coached bb and my kids played AAU level; we are still involved. The participation numbers are actually less today than pre ECNL at least in my area and we have a storied bb history very near us (several collegiate nat'l champions both male and female).

Anonymous said...

Oh, forgot to add, bb programs bring money into hs and college programs which trickles down.

Some colleges charge for soccer, not all. Nearly all charge for bb (may up the price depending on the program and the game). And, that includes hs as well (bb may charge and soccer doesn't).

Maybe soccer needs to start charging as well. :)

Anonymous said...

2:41 - if i could chime in, many sports, including professional ones, are having some economic issues. The NFL was complaining about it's tv viewers and ticket sales were down from prior years. Baseball, some markets, down (maybe not Cubs' nation); NHL/down; even NBA (down and really down for WNBA).

You think our country isn't ready for soccer. I think it is absolutely ready for it. But, our country, unlike others, have many other professional/pseudo professional sports, too (didn't even list others previously such as bowling, golf, softball, tennis, rugby, lacrosse, swimming/diving, frisbee, boxing, iron man/woman, curling, etc.).

And, I didn't exhaust the list, but all these US sports are both male and female sports listed except NFL.

In the US, we like competition.

Anonymous said...

Exactly which clubs run a full training and game schedule during the high school season?
I have no idea why one would suggest there already exists a full10 month training and competition season for club soccer and my child chooses instead to play High school. Let me be clear: She plays at school exactly because there is no viable alternative and her coach is a rec player teacher. Lucky you if your child's program is more robust. Ours has been pathetic and she is looking forward to being able to abandon it for year around training and competition. Before you say my kid sucks and is a JV player, she is an all state selection and plays highest level club soccer.

Anonymous said...

Right with you. See ya in the GDA, hopefully. :) I'll gladly go and watch hs along with my daughter who will still support her hs team on her way to Academy practice.

Anonymous said...

1/19 @3:07 - agreed.

Anonymous said...

Any news on the PF / Continental merger?

Anonymous said...

Only rumors. Most recently going to happen but the give back DA and keep both ECNL. Don't get why they would do that. Seems more logical to keep continental ECNL and penn fusion DA. A flavor for everyone. Same model as in Florida and Norcal. It I would guess there will be announcements soon. Invitation only Washington Spirit GDA clinics happening again this weekend.

Anonymous said...

From an original 85+ now only 71 DA teams. No shock. All you folks are painting the rosiest picture possible for the GDA. The reality is going to be very different nationally. Just like in the ECNL, there will be really good Clubs and some bad ones for all the reasons stated above. These Clubs/Teams are only going to be as good as the Coaching, the DoC and the players. No matter how much you want to spin it, the USSF has no real control over quality. You may be fortunate to be in an area that has a great GDA, but if you are, that means you probably were already in an area with good coaches. I really want to understand why people think April Heinrichs has the resume to fix Girls Development - to do tht you need to have credibility and relationships with the movers and shakers in Club soccer. they HAVE to believe in you. Clearly they dont. Her record with teh current youth teams is pretty bad.

Anonymous said...

Agreed
If a club now has GDA and the coaches are all the same, what has really changed? USSF is only an influence
Club coaches were good or bad or in between already

Anonymous said...

I will concede this. Generally there are 2 types of coaches in a pay 2 play league like the ECNL.

Type 1 - Coaches to the mean of his talent. Tries to develop a winning "system" cares primarily about results

Type 2 - Develops his top end talent and challenges others to get better.

You can decide where on that spectrum your guy falls, but in my experience, most are closer to Type 1. We produce players who conform.. Great coaching teaches problem solving, interpersonal skills , creativity and a level on independence .
When we find more coaches who we hold accountable to do that instead of sweating out 1-0 wins, then we will produce better players.

The GDA is a massive ask becasue essentially it is asking us to "find" great coaches. They are rare. if the existed en masse, there would be no need for the DA

Anonymous said...

Announcements for PDA, Spirit and PA Classics GDA ID events. Some invitation only. No Penn Fusion announcements supports that they may go with the match fit path

Anonymous said...

PF has been busy expanding its Club for the girls and boys. I can't imagine it would not continue to do this and give up the top of the pyramid for the girls.

Anonymous said...

its is debatable what the top of the pyramid will be.

Anonymous said...

No debate. If USSF says GDA will be, then that will be the top. ECNL and all others will be considered next level(s).

Anonymous said...

Yeah, PF was in the original bunch of GDA awards. US Soccer must value their development process.

Anonymous said...

I am amazed that you all seem to think the USSF has such power.. do you think that the GDA will somehow be committing girls to schools that the ECNL is not? I guess it comes down to your definition, but I can guarantee you that the ECNL propaganda machine will be competing to tell you thats not the case and enough will listen to make it very debatable.

For example, if a GDA club has no YNT representatives, is it better than and ECNL only club that does? I keep saying the same thing, Players define how good a club is, not Bureaucrats.

Anonymous said...

ECNL now on the other end of the stick - not being able to get games with GDA to prove their relative worth

Anonymous said...

GDA ans ECNL dont have comparable teams. the ages dont line up above u15 so its a non issue.

Anonymous said...

3:46 - No one is disputing the importance of players and a club's success. But, US Soccer does define the tiers. And, that is what is in place, currently.
Clearly, you don't like or want the GDA option. Doesn't mean that there aren't others out there that do. The option should be available if the club was given that option. This is why better kids move; options are limiting at some Clubs.

Anonymous said...

3:46 - why are you focusing on the kids that are not committed. There are committed kids that want to participate in the GDA to get them ready for the next level. They want to be the best they can be in college. They are looking forward to more focus on development, film, etc.

Anonymous said...

5:07 you are spot on!
My daughter's future college coach absolutely wants her to play GDA to prepare for their level of play

Anonymous said...

507 Im not. Read what i wrote.

the GDA will somehow be committing girls to schools that the ECNL is not?

Surely a measure of the better league is going to be which one prepares kids better for College play. A gauge of that will be what percentage of kids in each league are committing to the best schools. The ECNL metrics are made available all the time about waht % age YNT, EoY award winners etc played in the league.

You all seem to be talking a lot for granted as to what the GDA will or will not provide. I will say it again. I have no idea how good your Club is or is not. All my comments refer to the National standard of the GDA vs the ECNL. If your player pool is largely the same, your coaches are the same, your facilities are the same and your road map ( to the extent that you have to stick to it) comes from a group of people who have no track record to date of developing top level Girl players, then why are you so convinced that it will be so much better than the ECNL.? Because April Heinrichs said so ?

739 If your Club is bad now, the GDA is not going to make it good. I dont know where your kid plays, but that statement is irrelevant without knowing the Club. Ill put it thsi way. if your kid was a PDA and playing in teh ECNL. If a College coach tells you that you should play in the GDA, then that raises some very interesting questions

1. They may be assuming that a Clubs best players are all going to be "told" to play GDA and therefore if you are one of them then you should be there

2. They may just not want her to play HS soccer


College coaches have an agenda like everyone else.

I continue to maintain that there is no obvious evidence to suggest that the GDA will be better than the ECNL. The fact that several top Clubs have pulled out of the GDA tells you that others agree. If the GDA was REALLY about the top players, it would be much smaller and USSF invite only.



Anonymous said...

Most enlightened comment yet: "If the GDA was REALLY about the top players, it would be much smaller and USSF invite only."

Each club has a relatively finite player pool available to it, generally limited by geography and transportation. At some point, dependent on parent resources and availability, and player resources (notably time), the commute to soccer practice becomes untenable. from what I have seen, this is somewhere around the 45 minute trip mark, although I have seen it go as high as almost 2 hours for a one way trip (who's got that kind of time?). Depending on traffic conditions, trip time can equate to varying distances. Bottom line, the big clubs that have the resources for GDA will still be looking at the same pool of girls that they are now, but because of the additional training and alternative sports restrictions imposed by GDA, fewer girls will likely try out for the GDA, than have tried out for the top tier teams. Therefore, GDA may have more dedicated players, but not necessarily more talented.

Soccer boarding schools are an entirely different topic not much discussed. They would be equivalent to the arrangements for elite teenage gymnasts and ice skaters staying with host families so that they can live near their training centers.

Anonymous said...

8:32 many things you say are also true...
I'm 7:39 and my post is merely giving our factual experience with the GDA topic of discussion.
The college coach's recommendation was in reply to my daughter's question to him:
"Coach, as tryouts approach in my club and now that I'm committed to your school, should I make my goal to play GDA or can I play HS soccer because it will be my final year to have that opportunity with my friends?"

One person's experience does not make the other one false or invalid, just different.

Anonymous said...

7:39 AM

Are you indicating that the college which has offered your daughter a spot has influence over who is given an offer to play in the GDA team in your area? Is there some type of backroom agreement? Is the College coach also associated with the club in some capacity. Your statment indicates that the "Old Boy network" which the GDA was supposed to abolish is still in full effect.

And unless your daughter is currently in the club where the GDA ws awarded you are indicating that the College coach does not really care about loyalty. If your daughter was recruited and has an offer in hand is it contingent on her progressing to the GDA team? I think if I were your daughter I would be concerned that the offer may be taken away if she does not make GDA (But of course according to you she will make it)

Anonymous said...

Wow....how about you read what I wrote again "Mr Conspiracy Theory, the world is out to get me and is unfair"
Here it is again, I'll try to make it fewer words...

1. My daughter has committed to playing in college. She is a junior.
2. She asked her future coach is she should aim for GDA(part of her wants to play HS ball her senior year) . Yes her club is GDA bound and no not ECNL
3. He recommended GDA level play
4. No he's not associated with club or USSF
5. No he doesn't work for Wikileaks or Russia

Anonymous said...

10:55 AM

Congrats to your daughter on her verbal commitment. Non ECNL and highly recruited shows some here that it is possible. The college coach is already speculating GDA is top tier. Your daughter at her position has a spot on the college team. Contingent upon her making GDA and the collge coach not finding a GDA level player at her position if she does not??

No conspiracy theory here, just trying to see what the climate is and how to navigate.

Anonymous said...

1055 ..FWIW I am not 1022 ..I am 832 :) No conspiracy here at all. My experiences with College coaches at some serious soccer schools is they dont like it. They can say so overtly, but they dont. The concern they have is that kids will stop working on their games if they dont play HS bbut if a kid comes up with a viable off season plan and explains it to the Coach then they are very happy for you not to play. I believe you 100 pct that your Coach said GDA. it fits his agenda - to have a better healthier player enrolling in his school !! Better, mainly becasue she is playing less high stress games and is hopefully working on her individual game in that time.

This is the main reason why I think for EQUAL coaching GDA > ECNL. I think an extra training day over a longer period is better than the ECNL+ HS soccer.

Anonymous said...

Well I guess nothing is ever 100% safe in life overall. I understand what you're saying are concerns.
I'll throw you for a loop and tell you that it is not a verbal....
I will keep close eye on the club throughout tryout process, see if the coaches change or remain the same. If she loves her present coach and he coaches her next year as GDA team, then it would be the way to go. If she doesn't love her coach's approach and style and he coaches GDA, why would she follow him? The label becomes useless at that point....

Anonymous said...

I agree. have said it all along. Its all about players and coaches and the relationship they have. The rest is just marketing.

Anonymous said...

10:55 - Bingo. Love your comments. We are in same situation.

11:36 - no strong arming to play GDA, but clearly this coach who has verbally committed kids is under the belief that GDA is where players they want in their program should be. And, doubt that there aren't many others who think this way as well.

Also, I seriously doubt that scholarships will be revisited in the big pictures, if children don't participate, but obviously, some college coaches are already noting for future recruiting where they will be going first to look for kids.

So, as a poster previously noted, despite the hiccups that will occur, GDA already has the cache of being the new top tier, now.

People can spin it as they like. Bottom line, GDA even in its infancy stages carries clout. And, like anything else, people will need to decide what works best for their daughter, if she is has the ability to make the GDA.

Anonymous said...

2:52 PM

Everyone wants to drive the latest model Mercedes/Range Rover to drop their princess off at practice too. But I think you are correct. The GDA has been touted as pulling the top players from the current top teams in the top league. There will always be outliers who get recruited to top programs from an unlikely source but D1 powerhouses with a lot of applicants will let GDA weed through to find the diamonds.

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

302 - could not disagree more. D1 powerhouses - and there are very few, make their own decisions basis waht they see and need. Its the weaker schools who are more likely to take a risk on a kid they have not scouted enough because she is in the GDA OR ECNL

The simple fact that Clubs who were admitted to the GDA have turned it down, tells you that some of these non GDA Clubs more that meet the criteria. Why would anyone think that they are now worse that GDA Clubs?

So far no one has given any rel evidence as to why the GDA clubs are going to be so much better than they are now. Iy your kid is on (for example ONLY) an ECNL team , playing for a credible Coach under a DoC with a great reputation, i dont see how the Club suddenly becoming GDA changes anything. If you club was not good before DA, then you had the option to go to a better one. I really want the people who think its going to be so much better now, to tell me what evidence they have. Other than soundbites from USSF. They dont even have a technical Director announced yet.

One thing that makes me chuckle is we are talking a Dev league that is now going to international sub rules. So no re-entry. I can see games where kids do not play at all. Just wait till that happens and watch the parents concerned go nuts.

Anonymous said...

You don't seem to understand. If the best/better kids will be in one area, they will start their recruiting process there, including the Power 5. Will it end there after a one and done? No. As you note, that isn't how they operate. So, plan to see more coaches at practices.

Anonymous said...

And, yes, when there are games, the international rules will be applied. Will be interesting to see how handled but that is part of it. All the girls won't play in college in all the games, either. Part of the pyramid.

And, ECNL will still be a big recruiting event as most of the girls will still be playing in that league. It will be interesting to see what happens with all the other leagues, though. ECNL, USYS, NPL, EDP, US Club, etc. as far as how they all fit into the pyramid. I expect to see some shifting in those leagues as well. One thing about soccer, never a dull moment.

Anonymous said...

3:51 - while it may or may not be better, initially (GDA), it has been designated by US Soccer as the place to be. On that designation alone, people will be flocking to it.

Anonymous said...

@4:37 - on that note, it seems like this time last year the birth years and then the ECNL composite teams were the big topic. Yep, never a dull moment.

Oh, saw an article that NWSL minimum salaries have doubled. Not even good, yet (average $15,000 now), but at least movement. Olive branch. Good sign.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why 9:58's daughter would be asking the question she did

She has committed to the college team

What she does now with the rest of her adolescence is her choice. I wouldnt let a college coach dictate it.

Anonymous said...

And that thought process is why scholarships are pulled. Most good programs have a caveat that child must continue to play soccer, obviously. And, pretty sure they don't mean high school level.

Anonymous said...

610 Your comment is ridiculous. I think that the vast majority of top players still play HS soccer. Have College coaches told them to stop? Last time i checked the GDA were talking about allowing HS soccer for kids already playing it.

Anonymous said...

437.. another awful comparison. we are talking about soccer DEVELOPMENT. Not getting time on the field does not further development. Not playing in College where results count makes sense, not here.

Anonymous said...

".... why scholarships get pulled"

Funny stuff.

Anonymous said...

Some have posted, hs ball not a great option but their only option so looking for other avenues.

And, as a previous poster noted from US Soccer, “No one is talking about high-school soccer as a player development environment,” Heinrichs told Woitalla. “It’s a social environment. A ‘my daughter gets her name in the local newspaper’ environment. It’s not a player development environment. In fact, it develops bad habits and complacency. For any player who wants to play in college, the best environment is going to be club soccer."

Just because they are backing off, potentially, of hs being off the table, doesn't mean they are advocating it, either. Not all programs, facilities, training sessions in hs are good or even very good.

Anonymous said...

The child has to do whatever works best for her provided it's okay with parents, too, not whatever they want.

The poster that made that comment (@5:00) didn't say the kid would continue with soccer.

I have heard some parents say now that my kid has committed, I can stop having her playing for this club or she doesn't have to keep up doing this training or this.
So, maybe this poster is of the same mindset. There is still an expectation with a commitment that they need to play, not take their foot off the gas or make stupid comments or posting questionable pics on social media (doing whatever they want), etc. Then, scholarships can be pulled.

Anonymous said...

6:47 - are you saying that development stops before or in college?

Anonymous said...

@ 6:47- I agree they need game playing time to develop and as the results don't matter, hopefully they do get playing time. I imagine there will be scrimmages where everyone gets in. Should be interesting to see. It won't be for everyone that's for sure. Anti meltdown/brown bags on the sidelines for the hyper parents to breath into.

Anonymous said...

@5:00 yesterday
My daughter asked the question because she wants to do the right thing for her future and loves soccer at the same time.
Why would she not have open communication with her future coach?
College is willing to invest in her, real life begins and she may need to pass on the social aspect of HS soccer...yes that's all HS soccer is. Except for minute exceptions, no development happening there.
None of us live in a bubble.

Anonymous said...

Development never stops, but for girls, College soccer is the effective pinnacle. Coaches at this level are measured on W/L and will play kids that help them win games. Up to College, kids should be geeting PT. Moving to Intl sub rules makes that a lot harder. Thing is I dont know many coaches in this area who are development first, results second so I will be interested to see how they handle the new rules.

Anonymous said...

902 HS is never the only option. Never was. Some kids would be better served going outside and practicing alone. The path to improvement often requires sacrifice and lonely , hard work. May not be glamorous, no articles in the papers or accolades, but that the truth. HS is fun for some and a waste of time for others - I am only talking about the pure soccer benefits, not social ones. For kids in the latter bracket not playing and going to a local gym to do fitness work may even be better. HS can have a negative impact.

Anonymous said...

There is a Spirit GDA ID clinic- invitation only- this weekend for VA.

Anonymous said...

Gotta be some deal between Bethesda and Spirit going on for the MD program. Mirror NEFC/Breakers and PDA/Sky Blue deals?

Anonymous said...

How does that info help us, 12:34?

Anonymous said...

So your daughter's invited and you wanted to let everyone know?

Anonymous said...

That's a stupid comment on an anonymous forum. Who knows who the player is that was invited so what advantage does a poster get there? It might be useful to know that the Spirit is having invitation only ID sessions. May help in planning if a player was not invited to open up options or prompt players to contact the Spirit with the player's bio etc. if interested in the Spirit GDA

Anonymous said...

Agreed. I think most posts have the intent of being helpful not harmful. Thank you for the information re Spirit.

I guess the NWSL move to NC is affecting Flash Academy too.

Anonymous said...

I'm thinking the poster was going for comic relief.
I didn't read as harmful
For those who are not in a club awarded GDA, I would highly recommend contacting GDA club of choice and start communication. Clubs are doing IDs to get acquainted with girls outside club with interest.

Anonymous said...

Helpful because if they aren't posted on the website no one knows they are happening. They might now hurry to fill out the on line form to get invited to the session this weekend. I think it is helpful to share and don't see why someone would post that simple informative line for anything but adding information to the blogospere. thanks

Anonymous said...

definitely visit websites people

Anonymous said...

Just posted yesterday actually

http://washingtonspirit.com/youth/second-development-academy-id-day-set-for-sunday-in-northern-virginia/

Anonymous said...

The Spirit ID Camp is not invitation only. Invitations were sent out, but anyone can register and attend (registration is on their website). U14/U15 is full, but there is plenty of space in the older groups.

Anonymous said...

Well that isn't exactly true. Yes there is a form that asks for bio information etc. Fill out the form and then see if the kid gets invited. Maybe they invite every kid who fills out the form, but the invitation says congratulations on being invited and don't bring a friend. Like I said maybe they invite every kid who fills out the form. Have no idea. How is it that you know how many kids are coming in the older age groups?

Anonymous said...

http://www.excellesports.com/news/nwsl-diversity-women-coaches/?utm_source=ExcelleSports+Main+List&utm_campaign=91ad6cd14b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ece29a6034-91ad6cd14b-183811981

Great article on the NWSL still in need of female coaches.

Anonymous said...

@4:05 - Actually it was true. There was a registration page that listed the number of open slots for each age group. It said if you did not receive an invitation, just register and attend. As it gets closer to the event, they might close registrations.

Anonymous said...

Thanks didn't know that

Anonymous said...

registration closed

Anonymous said...

11 kids at Spirit DA combined MD and VA. Budget estimated $7000. Clear the style of play will be one and two touch without creativity. Does anyone know if Penn Fusion is going to keep their DA or not yet? Would like to see an ID event posted for that one. Will also check out PA Classics. Anyone there have any other insights? Thinking ECNL may be the way to go for last 2 years. Not sure this whole DA thing is going to catch on in the next year or two. Not sure my kid needs to be part of the experiment.

Anonymous said...

943 what are you talking about. Its going to be the best thing ever. April Heinrichs said so.

Anonymous said...

11 kids for 2 teams seems to be kind of telling Did they say that there were more signed up or coming from one of the "partner" clubs? Unless they get Bethesda I don't think any of the partner clubs named so far are powerhouses in the older age groups. Might be helpful down the road but not for the 00s.

Anonymous said...

9:43 - was at a few clinics with Spirit coaches. Friend played in the reserves. That doesn't sound like their style of play.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone shedd some light on a possible CFC/PF merger. Apparently Angelos soccer store was sent in a combo uniform order. Why aren't the two clubs addressing this ?

Anonymous said...

Announced by Penn Fusion on going merger talks won't affect 2016/2017 teams. No official DA/ECNL decision announcement by Penn Fusion.

Anonymous said...

As I keep saying, I believe that the national implementation of the GDA will be far more challenging that most of you. The variation in quality of player. coach and facilities will be bigger than people think. the Clubs with real professional backing will have a massive advantage. Clubs affiliated to solvent pro teams - male or female. This is not going to be the smooth roll out that some see to suggest and I think the ECNL has a massive first mover advantage that teh USSF are going to take years to address at this rate.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter. USSF has deemed the GDA to be the top tier and that is what it will be, flaws, if any, and all. It is what it is.

Anonymous said...

I am sure whatever PF and Delco/CFC decide will be just fine. They may keep both names and uniform styles and just be known as affiliates of each other. PF is a US Bayren Munich affiliate too. so all of that has to come into play.

Luckily both are Adidas clubs,now. So, the winning brand isn't an issue. Should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Got it. Like PDA North, South and FL. Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

No CFC/PF merger. CFC to go with boys and girls ECNL along with DA for boys. PF to decide GDA future soon. No girls ECNL if PF picks GDA.

Anonymous said...

Not what I heard.

Anonymous said...

Not what I heard either. And, GDA/ECNL for PF; not an issue either. They will have both.

The spin doctors are out for sure trying to get some PF kids to move or trying to secure their PF spots. This has happened with other clubs as well. Remember those earlier posts that the composite teams would not happen (they did); that the GDA was not occuring (it did); and more. Read the old posts for fun (which teams were imploding, etc.). It's hilarious because they were mostly wrong.

Gotta read the tea leaves folks. Not everyone on the blog proclaiming to have information is accurate. Some are and some are intentionally misleading.

Anonymous said...

Yup
Probably same people posting on FB
Repeating everything they hear, true or not

Anonymous said...

so if the GDA is about development and the best players, why does anyone really care who else is on any particular team? Why does anyone feel the need to spread any misinformation? Who is going to select the players? Is selection based on upside potential or current ability.?

Like most youth sports, all of this would be so much better if parents had as little input as possible.

Anonymous said...

ECNL said no to both GDA and ECNL, even if the merger happened between PF and CFC. The two clubs will continue talks with the goal of a merger in 2020-21. PF to decide if they will go the GDA route this week or remain in the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Tino

Anonymous said...

Not what I heard. But, keep on spinning.

Anonymous said...

So you are saying that ECNL told a club that was part of their league when it was an experiment that they had to choose? I find that hard to believe. Frankly, I'm not a fan of ECNL since the depature of the founder but think that the Adidas clubs should form their own league. Currently, ECNL seems to favor Nike clubs, only.

Anonymous said...


The ECNL told PF they cannot have ECNL and GDA. PF will decide this week if they plan to stay in the ECNL or move to the GDA. This info is public, ask your coach. Merger is on hold and at best won't happen until 2020. The info is correct. Now you are in the loop.

Nike supports both the GDA and ECNL. Adidas supports the MLS. If you care about women's soccer in America buy some Nike gear.

Anonymous said...

Not public and that is the spin. But, have Nike gear and Adidas and attend NWSL games more so than MLS. And support womens' soccer from youth to professional. Older Kids played in W Leagues. And, maybe that is the next option, for the Adidas clubs to move their own league. THAT would be a strong league. Check the current ECNL directors & staff - mostly Nike.

Anonymous said...

If public, you can therefore provide an article, link or other?

Anonymous said...

Yeah. I recall the original ECNL mission statement that the founder (she since moved into the MLS) was hopeful that the cost would be contained and that through its partnership with various sponsors including Nike that playing in the league would allow for the costs to decrease.

Anonymous said...

outside the founder members , I do not believe that the ECNL is allowing both. I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

1:03 - I looked, too and found nothing public.

Anonymous said...

Who are the founding members?

Anonymous said...

John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington. Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin

Anonymous said...

Ha touche'.

ECNL founding members are: 2009-2010 ECNL clubs include some of the most accomplished girls youth clubs in the United States: Albertson Fury, New York; Arsenal FC, California; Atlanta Fire, Georgia; Bethesda SC, Maryland; Birmingham United, Alabama; CASL, North Carolina; CESA Premier, South Carolina; Challenge SC, Texas; Charlotte Soccer Academy, North Carolina; Colorado Rush, Colorado; Concorde Fire, Georgia; Connecticut FC, Connecticut; Crossfire Premier, Washington; Dallas Sting, Texas; D’Feeters, Texas; Eclipse Select, Illinois; FC Dallas, Texas; FC DELCO, Pennsylvania; FC Milwaukee, Wisconsin; FC Stars of Mass, Massachusetts; FC Virginia, Virginia; Freestate Soccer Alliance, Maryland; FSA SoccerPlus, Connecticut; Irvine Strikers, California; Lonestar SC, Texas; Minnesota Thunder, Minnesota; Mustang SC, California; Neusport FC, Nevada; Ohio Elite Soccer Academy, Ohio; Ohio Premier, Ohio; PDA, New Jersey; Pleasanton Rage, California; Real Colorado, Colorado; San Juan SC, California; SC Del Sol, Arizona; Sereno SC, Arizona; Solar, Texas; St. Louis Scott Gallagher, Missouri; Virginia Rush, Virginia; West Coast FC, California.

Anonymous said...

Oh, the above is a quote so the verbiage is from the article.

Anonymous said...

Not all of the ECNL founding members were granted GDA's. Right?

Anonymous said...

Only two clubs have been granted GDA and are able to keep ECNL.

Anonymous said...

@ 205 - Not true.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2016/07/12/ecnl-member-clubs-affirm-membership/

Anonymous said...

Probably not apples to apples but here is a link to the commitments for the Boy's DA for 2016 (Last year's commits. Nice bit I would not say impressive

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/67749/us-soccer-development-academy-college-commitmen.html

Local:
PA Classics: Matt Gillis (American ), Robert Miller (Bowling Green State ), Kyle Richards (California Pennsylvania), Trevor Clemens (Marshall ), Braden Kline (Providence College), Aaron Robinson (Rider ), Chris Brignall (Temple ), Matt Trepanier (Temple ), Nick Sarver (Temple ), Evan Collins (South Carolina).
Continental FC Delco: Andrew Stant (Air Force), Braden Miller (American ), Cody Wax (Bucknell), Edward DiPietro (Drew), Chad Poarch (Pennsylvania State ), Christopher Smolyn (St. Francis), Defrim Namani (St. Joseph's ), Donny Namani (St. Joseph's), Senan Farrelly (Notre Dame), Leon Maric (Virginia), Antonio Marchio (Widener).

Anonymous said...

2:31 what do you mean? The prior poster said only 2 are allowed to have both ECNL and GDA outside of the original ECNL clubs (as listed by another above poster). Who are the two outliers?

Anonymous said...

2:40 - yeah, not an apples to apples comparison at all. Don't get the purpose of the post.

Anonymous said...

302 it says

Only two clubs have been granted GDA and are able to keep ECNL.

Dont see where you get to only 2 are allowed to have both ECNL and GDA outside of the original ECNL clubs


Anonymous said...

I doubt that 2 clubs in the entire list of those granted GDA's have both. So ECNL will let go let's say 60+ teams/clubs? Forgive me if I don't believe this. ECNL is a business and a business doesn't toss away that much business.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I don't buy it either. I read it as well that two in addition to the original founding members of ECNL were granted both. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Unless, they really don't care about girls' soccer anymore and are banking on the boys.

I guess the NPL &/or USYS will be loaded for future games, huh? All the clubs that choose GDA will opt for those leagues no doubt. Crazy!

Anonymous said...

So wait. We are supposed to believe that out of 70+ clubs/teams granted GDA's only 2 are allowed to keep their ECNL status? Now, some GDA's are aligned with NWSL so I get those not counting toward ECNL as they are under that NWSL team's umbrella. But that's what? About 10? And about what 4 opted out already.

Now, these are all good clubs granted GDA's. So, all but 2 of these top soccer development clubs are potentially no longer competing in the ECNL at all?? That is what the soccer blogosphere is saying? This just seems illogical.

Anonymous said...

Just pointing that after I looked at the page of the ECNL directors as noted above, they are all men. No female ECNL directors. So, a League founded by a woman for women has no women on its current Board of Directors. How does that happen?

Anonymous said...

Nicely summarizes many of the points I have been trying to make

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/games-thrones-ecnl-vs-girls-development-academy-cold-war-rages/

Anonymous said...

Good article. I'm looking forward to the commentary on that article in their blog area.

And, this article, resonates that facts and fiction are flying throughout many of these blogs. Of particular interest to me in the article was: "Rumors abound of member clubs {ECNL} being confronted with “us or them” ultimatums in an attempt to limit the losses to the Girls DA, and the uneven levels of play across the ECNL’s regions..." This is exactly what is being discussed in these posts immediately prior to the article link. Rumors abound.

So, will it happen? Yes. Will it happen by the fall? Yes. Will it have hiccups? Yes. Does ECNL want to relinquish it's premier product? No. Will the wars continue? Probably.

But as noted in the article and in some of the blog posts, USSF will be and has announced it's intent to be considered the top of the pyramid, flaws and all. Will we need a scorecard to keep up? Yes. And probably plenty of beer. Best of luck to all of your kids where ever they land.

Anonymous said...

Read the articles along with all the articles referenced therein. My new favorite reporter on Soccer wire. Good stuff. Keep us informed. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

ECNL has done a great job...
http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/over-1000-ecnl-class-of-2017-players-commit-to-ncaa-div-i-programs/

Anonymous said...

FWIW, GDA did not even remotely attempt to work with ECNL in order to establish their league/goals. As such, ECNL is fighting back. Unconfirmed rumor is that in order for a team to have both GDA and ECNL, they have to be a perennial ECNL playoff team across at least 4 age groups (maybe more?). ECNL set that rule, obviously in an attempt to rustle the jimmies of those clubs wanting the GDA, in retaliation for being blown off by GDA.

ECNL is the bread winner for a majority of the clubs that have it.
The money scenario for the GDA is unclear at the moment, so it may wind up being different for each individual club. ECNL teams that were granted their GDA are now figuring out that it would be a better decision to forego the GDA and stick with the financially sound ECNL structure.

There is no doubt that the GDA will eventually be the frontline for development. However, there will be some growing pains, especially as clubs have to make financial decisions. It's really not about the soccer. At the end of the day, these clubs are businesses.

PF is in an unusual spot. They do not have a major tournament. They spent their cash flow on acquiring two turf fields at USTC. They have to decide if the 'aura' of GDA is more valuable than the $$$ of ECNL. If they charge the same ECNL prices for their GDA, well, that kind of defeats the original intent of the GDA and you better believe that this will be exposed. Merging with CFC would solve their financial problems, but what's in it for CFC? They tried this before and it did not go well, too many egos. Do your homework.

Furthermore, GDA will let their players play school ball and return to the team after. But, will they be treated fairly when they return? Will they have to ride the bench in retaliation? Will it really be that petty? Remember, the GDA will be fostering a competitive environment, so will those players that have lousy school teams and are practicing with their GDA teams simply get tossed aside because a decent player decided they wanted to have fun playing high school ball? Will it truly be about the players? If a player decides to play for their school, do they still have to make GDA payments? No doubt this will create strife and a lot of headaches. There will be growing pains.

But, they will figure it out.
The soccer community, as a whole, should be better off if they do it right.
It's not really a question of 'if', but 'when'.

Good luck all.

Anonymous said...

Fair post 7:57
GDA costs will vary by club ultimately. Scholarships will be available at USSF level and at local level. I believe that's how boys DA runs.

Anonymous said...

734 Refer to my post above. It depends how you choose to measure it. I dont see it as a cause for great celebration that the league most College type families kids play in, has the most College entrants. We are talking about a national league filled with middle class kids of mostly College grads

The ECNL satisfies the demand for kids that Title IX created and has done so my nationalizing the clubs/ leagues that provided it in the past. Costs have risen , the number of events has risen and the value of those events is at best questionable. I would like to see How many west coast kids come play on the east coast and vice versa to get a better measure of how much $$ we are spending in the ECNL to provide national exposure. Its hard not to feel that parents are simply subsidizing the Colleges in terms of showcasing. Instead of Michigan having to travel more, the ECNL is bringing the players to one location.

In terms of player QUALITY, which is another measure of success, are we any better than we were 10 years ago? i think we are in terms of the overall standard, but i dont think we are in terms of National Team type players. The ECNlL is not benefiting them greatly. The results of our Youth teams are not getting better.

In summary, the ECNL has provided a one stop shop for College recruiting, It is very possible that the ECNL has done a great job in that regard but not made strides in really improving the best players.

I am a big believer that the best players really improve thru individual commitment to their games. Players 10 years ago put the work in as well, but in a less organized environment.

The GDA is trying to really work with the top players, but they dont seem to understand that the number we have of those is not big enough to support a National league. yet. Maybe it will be in time. I keep saying that Players define the quality of any league and Coaches mold that. The more players you add to the GDA to make it National, the more you will dilute the quality and the Coaching. The more you will make it the ECNL with slightly different rules.

A real GDA has to be built around players who meet that standard and not making up numbers. That may be harsh, but if you look at say the 2000/2001 birth year in the North East, how many youth national team players have we produced in the last 3 years ? Bear in mind that includes what some see as a bias of having the FC Stars coach heavily involved in this birth year. not enough to support the number of teams we have thats for sure. If you believe that playing with better players will help some of the kids, then maybe it has benefits, but I am not convinced it will achieve its goal of creating better NT type players

Anonymous said...

757 was with you until yous HS comments. If GDA is doing it right , then kids playing HS will be at a massive developmental disadvantage and probably should not be playing when they return. If a kid is capable of playing HS soccer for 3 months and then coming back to a DA team and excelling them surely that shatters the myth about the benefits of HS soccer? The biggest reason that MAY happen is because , as outlined above, the GDA standards are not going to be that high initially.

I am no at all convinced that they will figure it out. ECNL is based on tangible rewards - getting in to College. The GDA is based on the desire to make a National Team. Making a College team in the extreme is showing something to one of 350 + coaches that they like/value. making a NT is doing the same thing to one of maybe 10 people. Those 10 people change, have differing ideas on the game and differing levels of influence. There is no $$$ payoff from making a NT. It remains unclear to me that the GDA can be more that a niche product for truly exceptional talent, if the goal is to produce exceptional players and teams. If the goal is simply to offer what the ECNL already does at a lower cost, then fine.

Jill Ellis made a comment I found very interesting that I agree with 100 pct. She said something like if a Club team has 25 players on the roster, then its probably not about development.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion, I predict, will look at the long term success of the DA with boys as far as a big club revenue and player number and quality driver. I think they will accept the spot. Plus those guys like working with the best players they can. They will lose their national level players to another DA if they don't keep it.

There will be growing pains, but if the merger does go through they will have the best of both worlds. They won't get a DA again if they give it up now and it turns into the money maker that the boy's has.

Look at PA Classics. I am not sure they even had a team at every age group before they snagged the DA in the first wave. Now they are loaded with teams. The girls programs are getting stronger in the younger ages and they will now explode with the DA. They would compete heavily for players from the western suburbs of Philadelphia if PA Classics DA is considered the best of the best. Forget the kids coming to West Chester from Lancaster and Harrisburg now. Reading will also go to Lancaster, Allentown? The kids who can't make PDA/Sky blue will also look at Classics. PA Classics is hoping Penn Fusion throws it back to the USSF.

As for costs. It will be the same as the ECNL they won't lose revenue. Didn't someone say the Spirit budget was $7k?

Anonymous said...

If money is the driving force, you are probably spot on
Not familiar enough with PA Classics but PF has a great thing going...

Anonymous said...

7:57

We will let you know the answers to all those questions as we go through the process

FC Stars has now announced their GDA ID sessions.

Anonymous said...

9:38 You are assuming that all GDA talent is created equally. You are assuming that the parent club will not accept their own kids at an egregious rate and treat all invitees/players with equal footing. You are assuming that deals have not been made for players on the current roster.

Realistically, if there are conservatively 50 GDA teams, each one cannot have a lone representative invite to train with the national team. So, essentially 95% of your GDA roster is there to help the chances of that rare 1 or 2 kids that actually have a modicum of talent on your individual GDA team. Which, in reality, is not really that different from what ECNL provides.

It will take a few years to establish if GDA is pumping out more quality talent than ECNL. And ECNL now has a fire lit under it's arse to go out and prove the GDA wrong.

Anonymous said...

PF has to take the GDA.

Can they convince the players that do not make GDA to play for their NPL team or will those players go to Classics GDA or an ECNL team? Remember, they are supposed to take 1/2 of each age group, so that's quite a few players that will be unaccounted for and will need to play somewhere. Recruit and boot works at the younger ages, but the dichotomy is changing and it is unknown how PF will adapt without a partner.

From what I gather, nothing is happening this year, so might not be until 2018.

Anonymous said...

What's not happening until 2018?
Where did you see 50/50 from each age group? Yes it's a split team but I think it will vary club to club, all about talent.

Anonymous said...

Uh happening this fall. Penn Fusion just sent out an announcement regarding DA.

Anonymous said...

What anvil needs to fall on some of you? The GDA is happening. Most Clubs will be opting in. The ECNL strong arming won't work. They will relent. They will have to or THEY will loose money. Like it or not USSF and ECNL will be the new in-laws that tolerate each other for the sake of the kids. :)

Find your happy soccer family.

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