I've been away for quite a bit the past month.I'll just jump in on the GS stuff since everyone is dying to offer an opinion (myself included).The only REAL value I see to GS is the head to head competition record. It does not tell all but it does give you a sense of strength with each team.Obviously anecdotal but I get a real sense that the top 5-7 teams are in fact the strongest. Probably the strongest however which way they came about this strength. Teams #8-60 you get a sense are more closely matched though some head-head match-ups provided unbalanced results but based on actual outcome you do see #40's beating #20's, and #30's beating #12's at different points. POINTS matter to some tournament directors, parents, a few players (i imagine) and Got Soccer themselves. Each point has a dollar value associated with it. The cost of points continues to go up. Disappointing.The bigger clubs/academies can ignore more easily because they tend to gravitate to more closed groups which is worrisome and problematic in their own rights.Of course they don't ignore GS points when putting their own tournaments together but I'lll leave those contradictions for another thread.After watching 12 years of youth soccer (mainly in NJ but not exclusively) very intensely the overall value remains very suspect to me. Sadly for every encouraging sign I see the reality that a dollar value is being assigned to it. Not good.DCShore
By now I think we all pretty much understand how to use gotsoccer and how to keep it in perspective. I agree that FC VA and NEFC are the top. PDA will certainly be better with their FC Bucks add. Strikers down one strong player and up 3. Time will tell if they fill the shoes and then some. Penn Fusion picks up strikers players at least one of whom was a major contributor. Also picks up a couple of strong Europa players. They may be out of the bottom. Bucks took the biggest hit. Matchfit has one of the best strikers and midfielders in the area and is tough all around. McLean hasn't been spoken of much, but may be a dark horse this year. The NYE ECNL teams were in major flux last year with the Alby/WC drama. EM picked up a couple of strong region 1 players and should be significantly improved this year. YMS implosion puts a big question mark on R1PL teams except Strikers. A national league team looking to fill the roster? That Panthera team is in trouble already. My pick: Region 1: Strikers no contest with FC VA A team pulling out. Overall quality of competition down. Looking forward to Strikers versus FC Stars at WAGS result will be telling. ECNL New England: Stars, but predict improvement in EM Metro: PDA but improvement in Penn Fusion MidAtlantic: Going out on a limb and going with McLean followed by FC VA Ohio valley; Bethesda remains weak and Ohio Premier takes it.It will be interesting to see what this age group looks like next summer with several teams making significant changes. That isn't usual at this age and probably is a function of the league related instabilities and lack of a clearly defined hierarchy of teams in this age group. It makes for fun competition when there is no run away favorite when these teams meet.
12:14 it is also very sad that teams are only getting "better" by recruiting new players further and further away. I'll keep my money on the local teams that are and have been, developing from within. It's also telling when you look at the U17G committed lists and see a fairly split divide down the middle, between NPL and ECNL.
Panthera will be fine, just looking for players that may be on the fence. If nothing else the experience will tremendous for the girls. We all know why we do this for our kids, we hope they succeed in whatever they do and enjoy the ride. Whether it be soccer, playing piano,swimming, Whatever. We just want them to succeed and be happy. What I see a lot on this blog is not about that, its about who is better then who and what teams have the better leagues and better players. Seriously these are still young women they have years ahead of them to determine their paths. They don't need their parents making it bigger then it is right now. We should be happy that we can go out and enjoy watching our children run around and play.Hey in the end if anything comes out of this for them then great otherwise just enjoy the ride.
2:03 this talk is just entertainment. Not sure what you mean 1:32 Which local teams is your money on? Is the money on the table for them to win R1PL or ECNL games or what exactly? Is your money on that they have a better experience? Better development? Also not sure what you mean when you say, "It's also telling when you look at the U17G committed lists and see a fairly split divide down the middle, between NPL and ECNL" What is split? How do the commitments compare exactly?
@1009 possibly the WORST analysis I have read in a while. You should stick to talking about teams you know something about. Your ECNL comments are so wide of the mark its a shade insulting.
Edit ...should read @1214
@132 Why? There is a HUGE difference between players being recruited to teams and kids leaving because they are no longer happy where they are. What is sad is hearing people refer to things like Alby/WC or the FCB/PDA situations with no knowledge of any facts at all. In both situations, the kids concerned chose the best situations for them. Not sad at all. Go look at the top school commits and then let me know if they are evenly split. I would be surprised if they were.
340 Ok then take a shot. What's incorrect? Otherwise just a garbage post.
Here is a point that should be entertained on this site. In the area,NJ,NY,PA, which high level Non-ECNL teams are managing to keep their top players, even adding others? I have seen several area teams with players of ECNL quality, why is it these players and teams stay together? Any thoughts? Which teams fit this mode and why?
Top 5 based off of GS in PA:Fc PA: we already know about them.Fc Europa: handful of players left for ecnl and fc pa, my prediction is that they will fold after this season. That team is Falling apart, losing players.Fc warrington: majority of teams been together for years, have on and off days, 1 player left for fc bucks, I expected after there star striker left for fcb years ago they would crumble.Ldc: don't know much about them, have definetly decreased the past couple yearsYms: I have no idea how they'll be this year, assuming they will be good though.In pa besides fc pa, no ecnl level teams, there are definetly ecnl level and division 1 players though
Why would it be so difficult to imagine reasons a top player would not want to play in the ECNL? It is easier to list reasons why a player would want to play in that league. I see it as a league for very well off, one sport, players, very interested in playing soccer in college. If you are not minimally in those categories, why would you seek out that league?Talented but multi sport athlete = no ECNLRich and talented but don't want to be an environment focused on playing in college = no ECNLTalented and committed but lower income = no ECNL.
@6:03PMAlways difficult to answer without first hand knowledge but I'll take a stab at it.Most likely very grounded players, parents and coaches. Expectations in development are being met as well as competitive play.The realization that you have a better chance of seeing a Hobbit than getting a Full Scholarship for soccer to any school.The realization that most college teams are not like youth teams. Academy players will once again enjoy playing amongst non-pedigreed players in most cases. The days of 'stacked' teams are over.The realization that playing in college (at any level) is a real commitment as they look into the program hours and time required.The realization that some players, after all of the years of soccer are just burned out and will not want to play in college. This applies equally to all players amongst all clubs/academies.The realization hat we parents wanted it a bit more than the players.There are other realizations of course. But in my eyes these are the main.The hope for me as a parent is that my child actually love the sport and continues to play into adulthood. Follows it on TV and reaches THE GAME to the next generation.DCShore
And yes, I agree.Multi-Sport athletes would not want to sacrifice other interests just to play in ECNL.There is one particular girl in my town who is one of the more outstanding players in the age group. REGULARLY trying to be recruited by 'elite' teams. Academic and other sport interests have been her main reason for not leaving.DCShore
3:49 go do your own research. See for yourself that many NPL girls getting committed to D1s. And yes it's sad for ECNL to realize no one else locally feels the need to tryout, so the DOCs are looking hundreds of miles away to recruit.
News flash for all you guys who think full scholarships are an urban myth. They are the reality for the top 5 kids on all the ECNL rosters and most of the others. And guess what big 10 big 12 and pac 12 are guaranteeing them for 4 years. I am seeing a whole hobbit town. Now some kids don't take the full ride at the #20 school instead taking half at UVA. But then it's UVA...
1128 you really think the top 5 on every ECNL roster are getting full SOCCER rides. I call BS.
11:28 - forget the hobbit, you are living in the land of unicorns and rainbows. I'd like to see the data to back up your claim. Also, aren't the ECNL players the "best of the best"? If so, how could a college recruiter identify the top 5. You are kidding yourself. By design, ECNL players will get more looks but it is not the only way for talented players to get exposure.
I call BS on the notion that NPL players aRe getting the same interest and/or offers as ECNL players. Our current U16 NPL teams are weaker then many strong town teams .
14 scholarships for 30 roster spots, very few full rides. Get your full ride at the University of Northern Idaho. There also the point that the top 1/3 of D-3 schools are more competitive than the bottom 1/3. So take your full-ride and the mediocre education with average competition and enjoy it.
Yup the very few full rides go to the top 5 on the ECNL roster. Quite a few kids on the roster are only getting books. But you will continue to deny the reality because your kid apparently isn't a top player on an ECNL roster.
The other classic comments: Yeah but my kid is getting a GOOD education while your kid with the scholarship is settling for garbage. Translation: my kid will amount to something after college and yours won't so keep your scholarship. Reality: the scholarships most offered are for excellent academic institutions. In fact many mismajors are fully funded and offer the top kids full rides. Most of these players do not accept preferring higher rpi ranked schools. The higher ranked schools are more competitive and tend to spit scholarships more than lower ranked school. There still will be a couple of free rides on the roster. Nearly all of whom are YNT players.
You made my point. My comment was not a question of good education versus soccer scholarship. The fact that you make the point that kids would rather take a lesser scholarship to play at a better school is true. There are very few programs offering full rides and if they do it is to just a few kids. Yes a lot of ECNL players get into great schools. A lot of ECNL players go to mediocre schools too. It is definitely not a large majority that go to great schools unless you consider schools with an 80%+ admission rate and a 950 SAT requirement a great school.
How is a full scholarship a "free ride"? That commitment is a time intensive job that will impact every aspect of their path through college.
My daughter played in the National League and ECNL and ended up 1! with a 30% scholarship and 20% academic merit which was only given to us the first year . We spent a great deal of money, travel expenses and time off from work and away from important family functions. So far we had to come up with 20,000 per year to be able to pay her tuition. Her club did not help much in term of college recruitment! We were on our own and almost did not get a verbal commitment until her Junior year. Believe me, it is not worth the time, money, and effort! It is a full time job and she ended up going to a school that is very expensive. Another school wanted her and was willing to pay up 80% of her tuition but it was 7 hours away!!My daughter was a starting ECNL player, ODP state and region 1. National ODP pool, etc. Varsity letter four year and we had all this trouble! So imagine if you are in a low level NPL team, you will have very little opportunities unless you are planning to play D2 or D3 which I think do not give out scholarship money! I don't want to bash anybody, just letting you know what our experience was. It is not worth the TIME OR MONEY!
If your kid gets to play a sport she loves for 4 years at the highest competitive levels for which you currently pay $2-3000/year for, and she gets an education valued at $30-50k per year at a good school. I call that a free ride.
I know of 4-5 girls who left very good clubs to go to ECNL teams, after a year they were left will little choice but to return to non ECNL teams. They practiced but played little, how much exposure did they gain from it? I doubt very much. Would it not have been better to stay at a high level club, play the showcases,and get plenty of playing time? My kid did not go ECNL but got plenty of interest this year from smaller division 1 schools. Some parents refuse to be realistic and set expectations for the kids that cannot be met. I also blame some ECNL teams for accepting players who they know up front will have little impact. ECNL clubs tend to focus on the scholarship opportunities rather than just the opportunity to play in college. Playing in college is something to be proud of, when it is over no one will ask if you played via scholarship.
ECNL clubs are a business.Understand that. They accept kids and are happy to take your money.It is up to the parents to be realistic about the cost benefit. It amazes me that parents cry foul at the end of the process. In reality,just like academics, soccer money is reserved for the very best. As it should be.Title IX has increased the $$ available and made it a bit more accessible, but parents who are not realistic will get burned. HS letters, ODP and the ECNL do not make you a top soccer player ODP is pay for play as is the ECNL and most HS teams are not stacked with top talent. If you child is a top player, it is pretty clear if you want to be honest with yourself and her.
219Your kid got an 80% offer at a school 7 hours away? So you expected a full scholarship at a a specific school? That is probably unrealistic depending on which school it is. From which school were you expecting a better offer than she received? At which age did she start playing ECNL? Sounds like you had poor instruction and support through the process.
@August 13, 2015 at 5:08 PMIt's definitely more than 3k a year. If you add uniform, gas, tolls, mileage, out of town hotel and restaurant bills, sometimes airfare, it's closer to $7-8k. Some clubs charge extra for Coach fees, Winter indoor tourneys.
It's way more than 3K a year. It's 2800 for just training, plus coaching and tournament fees, uniforms, meals, air fare, hotel, gas to practices, car rental plus winter league such as futsal is extra. I would say is about 8-9K a year.
623 I agree that the clubs should offer guidance at tryouts on what they foresee the player's role to be on the team for the uupcoming year. Sometimes I think they do that, but the parents can't allow themselves to hear the message. It is critical to try and guide your child through the process as objectively as you possibly can be to avoid this type of situation. However, I think very few parents are able to view their children's abilities through anything but rose colored glasses.
Most clubs do not give you a realistic view. Since most of the them, you have to have paid all the fees by October what they do is that the coach would start playing games and bench the player, bring in guest from other teams from other teams in the clubs and have them start over your child. Another tactic is to have the players placed in different positions in the field where the player is not used to play. These are the tactics employed once they have gotten your money so it is all about money and the parents should be realistic. If your child is not considered an impact player, then leave and find a lower level team. It is not fair to the child or the parents who are paying all this money.
Wow, I'd look for a different team/club if that's happening. That's not the norm in our area. I guess we're just lucky that we have coaches that care about the development of the kids as people first and soccer players second.
You expect a coach to "care about the developement of the kids as people first and as soccer players second". You don't want a soccer coach, you need a psychologist. Admittedly, one great benefit to being a coach is the opportunity to be a positive role model to children; but, please don't loss site of the fact that our primary responsibility is to teach them the game.
433 typifies what is wrong with much of today's society ... akin to those who expect the school to provide special instruction to a student struggling in an honors class when what they really need is a tudor or perhaps a better parent.
There are aspects of development that are not specific to technical skills like how to be part of a team, learning how to work hard and earn your spot rather than have it given to you, learning how to support your teammates, etc. The ability to impart these traits on a youth player makes the difference between a good coach and a great coach.
It's too easy to blame the school/teacher (club/coach) as opposed to having to take on any sort of responsibility or admit a fault.
just a friendly reminder - we're at U-16. from now on, this is showcase years, if your daughter did not learn the touch or the game it's too late give it up. forget about academy and save your money towards her college fund, you'd be better off.
What's really important is that you are as objective as possible in evaluating your player's playing level, level of commitment, and academic interests and abilities so that you can help guide her in making choices both as to her soccer environment and as she considers schools, so that a realistic college list can be created for her. Then make sure her current team fits her ambitions: If she wants to play at a power 5 school, she has to be seen at the major national tournaments, if not the national league, or in the ECNL. By that I mean CASL, Disney, Jeff cup if she is only considering the east. Include possibly surf cup and Vegas if she aspires to a west coast education. If her dream top 50 school is local, and the kid is a total goal scoring machine, 5'10 CB who is great in the air, super technical and creates goals, or one of the very top keepers in the east, then one can consider staying with a competitive R1PL team and attending ID camps. If the kid is looking to mid majors (A10, Big East, patriot, Ivy's, etc) then ID camps and a R1PL or high level NPL team might get her there if she is one of the very top players on her team. However, the middle of the pack ECNL players are getting 50% athletic scholarships to these school and the better players are getting near 100%. So if your kid is looking at anything, but the power 5 and you think she is a middle roster ECNL player, it would be easier to achieve her goals if she was playing on an ECNL team. SOme are still rostering players now. If she aspires to attend school on the west coast, either try and get her in as a guest at Surf cup (yes possible) or pick a team that plans on attending western tournaments. Again ECNL is your best bet there.
it is a sad reflection on us that we allow such an important decision to be bought from our kids so early. Its the same mentality that allows the USA to play CR in a so called friendly an win 8-0 waving terrible towels and generally rubbing their nose in it for money. All that matters is winning, no matter the cost.Just my 2c
I agree but until the NCAA closes the coaches contacting coaches loophole with a decree that 0 contact can be made between colleges and kids- however managed- it is what it is. Unless your kid is in the national pool, if you don't play the game they, will miss out on the biggest scholarships at the top programs which are dispensed in the freshman and early sophomore years. if they are looking IVY and mid major, there is a little more time.
1121 . That is because parents fall over themselves to sell out. If the parents held firm, we could return to something more intelligent. Like letting the kids actually take their time to make an informed well thought out decision. Just look at the transfer rates and tell me this is a good system? Forget the NCAA closing the loophole, how about parents just giving good advice? The coaches of your clubs push it because guess what, its good for them and their business.
Wishful thinking- never be able to organize the parents to do this. Dreamland. the NCAA closing the loophole would take care of it and would solve the problem. Not saying they will do it, but they should and it would quickly solve the issue once and for all.
Question...what is this loophole you're talking about?
245 so hoping for mature parenting of a game that is essentially an upper middle class one is wishful thinking. Therein lies the issue. I get it when a sport offers a kid his only route to higher education, but among this crowd that is not usually the case.
The coaches can talk to any kid not matter what age if the kid calls the coach. Coach can't return the calls. So the coach emails the club coach saying they are interested in a player. The club coach forwards the email. The kid calls the coach. If he doesn't pick up the kid emails the club coach and asks that he set up a call. The club coach emails or calls the college coach. The college coach can call back the club coach. He tells the kid when to call him. The club coach calls or emails the player and says call the coach tomorrow at 4 or whatever. The club coach is allowed to act as a go between. The kid is allowed to contact the college coach. Loophole allows the kid to initiate the contact. I think there should be no contact allowed until after the sophomore year.
Can a player transfer from a D1 school to another? I thought that was not allowed or the player will lose scholarshi?
Question –If unfortunately a girl suffered an acl injury today, how would a significant injury like that effect development at this age group as far as being able to remain at a fiercely competitive level? Would the missed time leave a kid behind other equally talented girls who are not missing their u16 & sophomore year? How would it effect college recruitment? Let’s assume that this girl trains constantly with her team and on her own while playing with and against girls of the same work rate with all having excellent athletic ability.
Stars ecnl U16 no longer listed in the Wags Tournament. What happened?
Wanted a break that weekend from school ball grind. Get enough competition and exposure in ECNL. Most of their players are already committed and/or are nearly wrapped up. No reason to go.
I doubt that's the reason, if that was the case then why did they even apply. They may have 1-2 already committed but just about whole team. Give me a break!
5:12, My daughter tore her ACL at the end of fall U14. She missed the entire U14 spring/summer season and also her high school freshman school season. She was able to rejoin her club beginning with the November 2014 tournaments (CASL was first) and has played ever since. She was one of top players on her team prior to getting injured but I will admit looked pretty poor first coming back. Once a starter who never came out of a game, she definitely became a bench player for the good part of the club season. During the latter part of spring and summer, she definitely showed signs of her old self, and now starting her Sophomore school year feels confident and secure again as she make her school's varsity team and in her mind is "I think top 3 on the team". In her experience, it took a good 6 months, post clearance to return to "normal". So I guess in your example, if she lost Sophomore year, she still has Junior and Senior year to make an impact and get noticed.
The Stars team that played WAGS last year wasn't a true team, but a group of players who weren't playing HS soccer, but training with the new Stars HS program during the fall. My memory is that there were only 13 or 14 on the roster which was multi-age group, and I believe had both NPL and ECNL players on it.
So USYSA has officially come out with birth year teams for 2016. Big shake ups in the works. U.S. Club won't be far behind. Most teams will simply realign at tryouts. But what happens to PA strikers? Play 99 and just be younger? Quickly begin to recruit some older 99s? Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Why shake anything up at this point? For the most part, teams will play up to the level of their oldest player, younger players will play up. This would have a more profound impact on the younger age levels.
You are dreaming if you think people will surrender their Jan to July kids advantage to keep the advantage of the aug- December kids. Maybe in the low level town travel level but the more competitive teams will realign. Do you think the competitive clubs want to see less than competitive teams if they keep teams "together" made up of younger players?
We'll see. I just don't see a lot of movement. If your team chemistry is just right, you're getting great training with your current coach, why upset the balance by mixing players up at U16? If a kid doesn't have the ability to hang with players 6 months older, maybe she doesn't belong playing at that level to begin with. In high school, you have Freshmen playing with and against Seniors, who may be 4 years older. I really don't see the huge advantage. The difference between a 12 year old and a 13 year old...huge! 16 and 17, not so much.
so says the guy with a 99 birth year kid
It doesn't take effect until August 2017, 16's now will be 18's.. does it matter..
Wrong takes effect in August 2016
How about leagues grandfathering existing age groups at the older ages to remain the same and moving forward go with the birth year for u14 and under?
For the record, 2:22, my kid has a March 2000 birthdate. Make your own decision, my kid won't be changing teams or leaving a great coach for whatever benefit a few months might buy her. Those benefits are huge for young kids. Pick up Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers". By this age, those benefits are already realized.
715 That is not the position USYSA has taken. They said age groups change with tryouts 2016. The are taking a pull of the bandaid all at once approach. US club soccer hasn't given a hard line yet on implementation, but said they will cooridinate with USYSA. They see the small sided mandate harder to get in in one season. The birth date mandate is a lot easier it will be up to the individual club docs to decide how an individual club will approach the classification system. I expect some will allow whole teams to play up, but most will simply realign their teams according to the new cutoffs.
It's gonna be awkward for a few but this is probably the best decisions. Let's move forward and continue to grow our National identity to this great game.DCShore
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