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Monday, August 14, 2017

U18 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 18 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

252 backing it would be hiring 20 more scouts to go around the country to ID players. not BS advertising

Anonymous said...

I think they are doing both. You seem to be disgruntled. Surely there is another sport you can join and trash, right?

Anonymous said...

This GDA thing is turning into the same "butt hurt" in politics right now.
Accept there are winners and losers, those that want to play GDA and those that don't want to...etc etc
True test/results will show in a couple years, but if a player wants to be part of it at its inception, then so be it! Good luck to all!!

Anonymous said...

848 ..what do you mean winners and losers? I dont get that at all. three are 2 different paths now. In terms of the product, there are only losers. We are just further diluting and already diluted product.

Anonymous said...

Exhibit A
Thanks for proving my point...

Anonymous said...

8:48 - spot on. Find the level that works best for you and your child and enjoy it.

Anonymous said...

"Would rather have my daughter fawning over (20-35 year old women) than knucklehead boys........."

Oooooooohhhh - lets not go down that path

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha 11:16
The next disney movie....:)

Anonymous said...

11:16 - seriously? Where is your maturity barometer?

These were kids who were watching athletes the top in their sport. What is wrong with admiration? These women are role models to a several generations of soccer fans. The crowds watching both the English/France and GE/US national teams and their coaches during their warm up sessions were just as fascinated.

I have gone to NWSL games and watched the training sessions (along with other men, women, boys and girls). The skill level is awesome.

I was also at the Linc when a sold out crowd (men and women and kids) watched the great Messi and others during their training, too. And, he is fantastic to watch. And, watched NHL & MLB players (and other sports) training and guys (and gals) sitting right there watching, too. The skill when you watch someone at the top level is just amazing.

You have to admire someone who takes his/her craft to the top level. It's the pinnacle of sports; all sports.

Btw - This...Blogging/Keyboarding is not a sport. You don't even need to be athletic or fit in any fashion.

Anonymous said...

Agree with you. This is no different than those that pay and wait in line to get his/her favorite sports' figure sign a trading card, football, baseball, hockey puck, soccer ball, shirt, ticket stub, whatever.

I have seen plenty of grown men waiting in those lines and giggling like school girls taking a selfie. Now, THAT is weird.

Anonymous said...

Not weird if it's with Alex Morgan

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha. Agreed. But it wasn't. It was some of the Giant's players.

Anonymous said...

With all of the GDA vs "The Others" talk I thought I would see more chatter today after the 1 and 1 weekend for the USWNT. Ugly soccer?? Un-prepared, over matched, Coach is trying to see what she has?? Nice they could pull out the win in Chester.

Anonymous said...

I don't think ugly soccer, but that's me. I think each US game was played differently with the different personnel on field. I think experimenting going on with other teams as well. France is definitely getting lucky. Tomorrow's US/France game should be very interesting. And I think Germany vs. England will be good as well.

After seeing such lopsided games in Concacaf, these are very much more competitve and nice to watch. Also some great MLS games on too.

Anonymous said...

12:07

Ridiculous lineup after the first victory

Too many changes

Ellis said she "want to see everybody". That is what camp is for. Competitions are just that.

Krieger was a horror. Williams not starting just a travesty.

Cant support this - sorry

Anonymous said...

The Germany game was better, not just because we won.
Ellis is experimenting so I hope she sees what she has quickly. As much as I love Alex, Press did better when she came in the game vs England...and Pugh, well, great potential there!!!. And this game meant more to England.

Anonymous said...

LaVelle missing point blank, then given the last chance direct (which she left way short) was comical. How is a more seasoned player not making that effort?

Anonymous said...

there are 2 important events for US women's soccer - OG and WC. Thats it. these are friendlies. the Europeans have the Euros coming up and are in season so to think that winning this takes priority is asinine.

Ellis should be rotating and should get all the players on the field or she is wasting the chance to really evaluate players.

the comments I read here are symptomatic of the problem. There are times when evaluation has to be the first priority not winning. Almost every comment revolves around the result . For all you potential GDA parents, get used to evaluation.

Anonymous said...

You're right. You may want to tell all the commentators during the games.
All they talk about is the statistics...when they played each other, when they won, when they lost etc......

Anonymous said...

Is the SBC a points tournament or a finals game? I can see both points of view. Winning matters but evaluating in a first tournament in the WC cycle is important as well. I think of the SBC as a pre-season lets go with the starters first game to win and then lets look at my substitutes the second game and see if we can win. also try some players that I know are going to be on my bench in different roles. It is also important to see players who may not have come into camp fit to get quality minutes to see how they do against a full 90 minutes. Now some of the play itself was hard to watch, at times not very technical, and now that Loyd is getting to probably her last WC and Abby out of the picture there does not appear to be a striker who can finish, or players that can work the ball to an attacking position. Hopefully Jill will have some things worked out for tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

12:53
I enjoyed seeing LaVelle. Thought she was a bit shaky early in but added some nice speed and creativity as match progresses. I do see her slight size being an issue against some very physical players. All in all a good effort for her first cap. Kreiger is scary with several poor decisions. Also nice to see Mewis and Horan play a bit more. Time to think ahead with the need for new blood being mixed in for matches with nothing on the line. Morgan was not creative and Lloyd gives to many bad fouls, a few where not even called.

Anonymous said...

1:34 - that is why I like Jenn Hildreth and Arlo White. They JUST talk about the game.

So tired of hearing the war stories; who cares? Save it for a speaking engagement. Otherwise, tell us about the game going on not back in the day.

Anonymous said...

Games were good to watch. Definitely see a lot more in person than on the camera.

While Long was good; I didn't think she was player of the match good. While she connected most of her passes, they were mostly to her fellow back line players and the gk. I saw the ones she missed were the ones directly in front of the GK; the most critical ones. It looked like she got nutmegged by Germany directly in front of Naeher who had to make a diving save.

Tobin Heath was player of the match vs. Germany. She was outstanding. Watched 2 maybe 3 girls try to pull her down and she still connected her pass that was a sideline ball she intercepted.

Anonymous said...

The US/Germany game was a tighter played game. Both sides kept pinching up and didn't give the other a lot of playing space or that was the game plan it seemed. The US/England game had much more playing space. I wonder if that had to do with personnel or weather or opponent.

I think they are good games. No one is running away with any of the games. And all the teams are playing different players. No one is exposing his/her playing hands. It's a showcase tourney, basically, and entertaining to boot.

Anonymous said...

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2017/03/nine-mls-clubs-told-grant-wahl-how-much-they-spend-on-their-academies/?utm_content=buffer6ce74&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Wow. This is per year, right?

Anonymous said...

1:17

You are dead wrong from England's perspective. Huge win the other day.

And my guess is there is disappointment on the US sidxe, not an "oh well, we got to see players" take.

Be well.

Anonymous said...


Girls playing sports is still widely unaccepted in many parts of England, especially the sport of football. The fact that England has closed the gap so quickly on the USA says something about American women’s football. Any game vs. the USA is a big for all. Girls in America don’t watch the sport. I am not saying that they don’t catch part of an EPL game from time to time, maybe they do, but women in Germany and England are football supporters. They follow the men’s game and are influenced by the men’s game. To me it seems the social aspect of football for girls in the USA is most important with a college scholarship bonus for those that rise to the top. The USA will always be good at most sports because of the population and money invested in youth sports. I don’t believe the #1 ranking is going to be as consistent going forward.

Anonymous said...

I think you are right. The gap has closed which is good for the sport. Remember, in the early 2000's; the US team lost it's #1 spot.

Would love to see the NWSL become part of a world league, too. It should have a few international teams in it and play against some. How cool would that be? Our NWSL gals with their different styles and coaches playing against Chelsea, Arsenal Ladies, Liverpool Ladies, Perth Glory, PSG, Bayren Munich, FC Flora, Lyon, etc.

I think the time is coming for that to occur as well.

Anonymous said...

7:39 - would be nice to have some canadian teams added right away too as a few already participate in the WPSL league already.

Anonymous said...

516 . England are building for Euros. Huge win? Not the adjective I would use. Every player wants to win a game they are in, but the coaches are the ones who determine who plays and how long. No one is gong to say i got bounced for the Euros but won the SBC. Of course US players are disappointed, they are competitors, but ELLIS should be looking at players this early in a cycle not trying to decide her WC-19 XI now.

Anonymous said...

You are just being an idiot if you deny it was a HUGE win for England.

Anonymous said...

4:05
This article leaves out details that could be important.
How many teams per club?
How many on rosters?
How many dues come in vs what's spent?
Many times, every player in the club is contributing towards this, even if not DA.
The article needs to have a "per capita" comparison, as well as a differential by geographical region.

Anonymous said...

im trying to understand how winning a friendly can called huge. I guess for morale to finally beat the US. OR to show they are on the right track, but its a friendly.

Anonymous said...

If you were british, you'd understand.
Guaranteed if US had won, you'd feel differently.
So are you cheering for US tonight? Just checking

Anonymous said...

820 when kids win a scrimmage they are happy. Competitors compete. But to me, huge wims are reserved for big games with something on the line. Its ok to disagree without trying to belittle the other PoV. After all, it comes down to your definition of huge. Any team beating the US on home soil is going to cherish it.

was France beating Eng a huge win ?

Anonymous said...

She Believes Cup is an invitational tournament, not a "friendly".

Anonymous said...

Yes it was

Anonymous said...

yes an invitational event with 6 subs allowed.

Anonymous said...

It's a showcase tourney on US soil for the US fans. And, they are good games as compared to the loopsided games we normally see (except when we played Japan recently). They were good as well.

Anyway, each team is using different players even in the GK positions. If this was play to win at all costs, as someone pointed out, there would only be 3 subs and each team would have the same players, generally, coming out.

Does each team want to win? Of course. They are competitors from the coaches to the players. Does it have any real meaning as far as rankings in soccer world? No.

Anonymous said...

If Jill does as she's been doing, US loses today 2-1 and our only goal comes off of a defender's mistake

Anonymous said...

6:34 - I posted the article and agree there are holes in it. But, I thought it was amazing to see the $$$ being infused into US soccer anymore. I recall when Umbro was the brand of choice in this sport and cleats and a ball were maybe $45.00. And no, quill pens were not the writing instrument of choice. :) If we knew then what we know now....

Anonymous said...

12:44 - oh that's harsh. France's defenders prevented a few goals already.

Anonymous said...

Predicting 1-1 ENG v GER (Germany has to get 1 goal, dont they?)

and

US 3 France 2 in a wild one

Anonymous said...

OUCH!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Ring, ring, ring...hello Hope.

Anonymous said...

If you're implying Hope would've changed the score line...maybe.
Our ladies should've gone to 4 back and find a way to deal with the speed of the offenders constantly getting around them. You have to adapt to the other team's play!!
Could they possibly give the ball away anymore than they did? Was horrible to watch!

Anonymous said...

Well, this was a nothing at stake tourney. Whew.

Playing 3 back is okay with the correct players. The chemistry was not with that particular line up for that particular team.

Short had a good game against Germany, but kept ball watching vs. France. Her girl was left unattended several times including the final goal. And, Long, ugh. So Long. Get her off the back line. JJ much better back there. And, Krieger takes the better angles.

Not knocking Naeher at all. She is very good, but Solo just directs like no other.

And, as another poster noted, France's defense came up huge again; that free kick saved on the line by defender.

Plenty of time to make corrections. All good.

Anonymous said...

@815 Really ? Where do we start. The US has long had a numbers advantage. they have never had a technical or tactical advantage. As Countries with soccer cultures start to actually care about WoSo the US are going to struggle. The old days, where you can roll out whomever you want for marketing purposes ( Wambach, Lloyd, et al) in whatever formation you want and win games are gone.

The US need to pick the right players in the right system with the right coach. To hear Lloyd talk post game about building to WC19 as a 34 yr old was just cringeworthy. To hear her talk about new players and experimentation whne she started all 3 games was beyond a joke.

Our player development model is so good that we have Lloyd in the #10. a player who not long ago was a b2b CM. A player who has weak technique, cant pass and whose sole purpose seems to be to shoot as often as possible. We then have about 8 players in positions they dont play on a regular basis. Why? I guess becasue we think that is a better option than the College and NWSL players who actually play those positions on a regular basis. We have attackers at wing back, CAMs at CB, #10s at #6/8 and we have a 16yr old as our player closest to the #6. A role even she does not play at Club or YNT level.


SBC was a chance to find out a few things,. We did . Now lets see if we act on them.


Anonymous said...

Second France goal doesnt count, as it was kick and run.

heh

I thought we played OK, were unlucky in spots and are still looking for combinations -

One Q for the group -

do Lloyd and Heath always look like they dont have much synch?

Re: GK

It may be a while before we see another Solo

Even the venerable Ms Murphy couldnt come up with perfect play in the recent U23s event......
.
But B level GK along with B level central defender play (Long is not the answer) - is problematic moving forward.

Also thought LaVell was over-revered for her play vs ENG - had moments but really nothing special last night -



Cheers. We move on.

Anonymous said...

THe kick and run (as you called it) doesn't work if Long/Short actually know how to play angles. O'hara is very good back there, too.

8:46 - Felt for Lloyd. She had a cooling off period before speaking with the media. Said the right stuff. You know she wanted to scream. She misses her buds; her successful buds. May see Syd L back too.

Anonymous said...

How about that field? I don't think an EDP or Mid jersey or Norther Counties or reg 1 or ecnl or Npl game will be permitted to play there!!

Anonymous said...

FCB v PSG is the only important thing today
What a come back for the spaniards!! Who cares about GDA or the washington field that had holes and dirt everywhere for women's cup!!!

Anonymous said...

Field was bad. I was pretty surprised. It was bad for France too. It also rained for France as well.
I have seen and kids have played on equally bad fields, unfortunately. Luckily, no injuries credited to the field occurred (the Lloyd high kick not a field injury). Now, if it was the bitter cold of saturday on that field, that would have been dicey.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the pitch was actually an embarrassment for US Soccer

RFK had yielded USWNT a 9-0-0 mark in recent play prior to Tuesday. Maybe now - with the loss - they can phase it out as a venue.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this venue being phased out anyway? Didn't Audi field break ground for DC United? Future games will probably be there. I was surprised they didn't choose Spirit venue, but the crowds for the NT games probably warrant a bigger venue.

Anonymous said...

France played some great technical soccer on it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/07/21/20/20170307-recap-wnt-falls-to-france-3-0-in-shebelieves-cup-finale

The many comments are interesting. Are some of you on this? :)

Anonymous said...

1129 Do people really think that Carli lloyd is a positive on this team? if so, just wow

Anonymous said...

Well, it's not only apparent on our youth teams, but our senior teams as well. Internationally soccer is improving;and the soccer gap is closing/has closed.

And, many of the improvements are younger players being infused into the various programs. And, internationally, the academies are the go-to places for improving the product for their various national teams. So, internationally the soccer gap is closing.

I guess all of this makes a better argument for the GDA and the academies doing the heavy lifting in the US too. Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

@115 there is a massive misconception in the USA that the RoW was "behind" . they were never behind technically or tactically. They were behind in sheer numbers. Thats about it. As the numbers grow in countries that actually have a soccer culture and history, you will see the one advantage the US had - numbers- erode to zero.

The GDA will not create a soccer culture. Will turn out the same players we do now . Soccer IQ is not something you hand out at GDA class.

Anonymous said...

Do you think US had a numbers advantage over countries where soccer has historically been their #1 sport? I disagree. US had better athletes not better soccer players. Now, the international academies are making better athletes, too.

As far as the soccer iq, I agree, not something a GDA hands' out. But that is internationally as well. Soccer iq's are much rarer than skill. A player with iq, athleticism AND skill is a gem. But with the focus on actual development, maybe iq will be developed more as well.

Anonymous said...

Most of all, the politics has to stop. Pick the kid that deserves to be on the NT, not the darling. That is the difference internationally as well.

Anonymous said...

@129 Of course they did. Title 9 created far more women soccer players than anywhere else in the world by a factor of 10

Anonymous said...

129 IQ is not grown by playing alongside kids who share your background and culture. I dont see it growing in teh GDA setting. Watching high level games and being immersed in the sport from a young age and having the ability to practice freely builds the ideas and the confidence. Everything here is just too structured.

GDA runs the risk of just building more robots

Anonymous said...

1:55 is that you?
Are you the one who was sponsoring playing in the parking lot, empty corn fields etc...? :)

Anonymous said...

2:06 - hahaha...proponent of playing at RFK. I think this discussion has gone full circle, now.

Anonymous said...

:) I grew up in Brazil, I can't help it
Barefoot soccer is the best

Anonymous said...

1:55 - Hmmmmm...kids who were exposed to high level games; being immersed it it at an early age; etc. I'm not a proponent of the robots either, but you are describing exactly the mechanics of an academy system if taught correctly. And, unlike the mechanics of most clubs, an academy may be the exact environment to encourage creativity not prevent it.

It's about absorbing the information, being able to discern what works and what doesn't and being taught by the right people. Sounds like an academy to me.

Anonymous said...

Yup
Academy it is...

Anonymous said...

225 No im not. Im describing a culture that goes beyond 2 hrs 3 days a week. This is not taught by coaches, its self taught by watching , copying and experimenting. Its also something that is formed long before u-14. Academies will refine fundamentals and provide some structure, but they are starting far too late ti have a n impact of what i am talking about. It if were as easy as having an Academy, then the USA would be producing world class players by now out of the Boys side but the bucket load.

A coach is going usually to impart how he/she sees the game. GDA is using the same coaches in the same environments, Do you think its suddenly going to change?

Academies are , imo, places where Pro teams develop/mold kids with potential in the methods and ways that they want at Senior level. Teams like ajax and Southampton have a reputation for producing great players becasue they do a good job of teaching young kids the fundamentals of passing football.

the GDAa as not going to be able to do that. We dont have a consistent playing style at USWNT level and the WNT is not a Club. The GDA may be very good, but its built on exactly the same lines as the ECNL. Its unlikely to offer anything unique

Anonymous said...

Mock all you want, but explain this to me> why are countries like France, Spain and England starting to play a better brand of soccer than the US do? Why are thier leagues starting to attract players from all over the world? Because they are countries steeped in Soccer. the game is everywhere. That is as big a factor in producing top players as any academy. We do not ave that key ingredient here and Im not sure we ever will.

Anonymous said...

Great article:

http://www.excellesports.com/news/womens-soccer-losing-good-for-uswnt/

And to the poster downplaying academy...do some research into one club as an example and tell me it doesn't work on principle...FC Barcelona
Does US need to learn from others and implement changes? You betcha, that's the only instance where I agree with globalism.
ECNL filled the void for the girls. Yes the girls got the shaft all these years.
CLubs with the right leadership will hire the right coaches for the GDA. I agree if it's just a shuffle of existing coaches, why would it change because of GDA label?

Anonymous said...

826 Barcelona ? A Pro Club within a massive soccer Culture Yes.thats my point. East Meadow on LI with none of the above..Not so much. Academies are where pro Clubs develop the best of the best. They select them. GDA is nothing like that

Anonymous said...

826 ..Article is a puff piece. It says very little like almost every USWNT article. the message is strictly controlled. The reality is losing is fine IF you are seeing signs of progress. Losing is fine if you are blooding young players. USWNT is not really doing either of those to any great extent. Any team that features Lloyd, Sauerbrunn, Krieger, Hezath, Morgan, Press et al is not exactly filled with inexperienced youth,. Brain, JJ , Long are all experienced as well. SBC Sonnet, Pinto Campbell failed to get a single minute of time.

Lloyd was telling you post event that she was taking you to WC10. Sh eis 34 already and clearly well past her prime.

I dont blame the writer, but the lack of "real" insight into the WNT is part of the issue. Short is a fine athlete as is Lynn Williams but the technical level is not there. Im OK with that as they are effective payers, but the USSF is trumpeting technique at a time when its selecting players who are just the opposite. The most technical player on the USWNT is a ghost these days - Morgan Brian is toiling as a 6/8 while a technically deficient designated shooter , Lloyd occupies the 10 role.

The USWNT will be fine, but only if the grasp whatever style they choose to play and commit to it. This fake tinkering and introducing 16yr olds for no obvious purpose is not good. I think I saw 7 players deployed in roles they are not familiar with to accomodate one player .

I will believe that change and progress are really happening when we stop the sentimentality and players like Lloyd are not longer starting every game

Anonymous said...

10:08 GDA is barely beginning in the fall, how can you say what they are?
I think the point was how the academy is supposed to work.

Anonymous said...

I love all the experts on here
I'm starting my own club this summer and hiring.
Please get me your contact info asap

Anonymous said...

1035 when you use predominately the same clubs and the same coaches. What is different? And yes, but the post it referred to already outlined what Academies are supposed to be like. Seemd like it was just re-itereated

Anonymous said...

I'd hope new coaches are hired for the GDA teams otherwise I agree.

Anonymous said...

http://www.blackandredunited.com/uswnt/2017/3/9/14863856/uswnt-jill-ellis-shebelieves-cup-allie-long#419092659

Speaking of coaches, saw this. Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

In general speak, she should go. That's how it works, all about results.
However, it depends if USSF is allowing ellis to have used the latest cup as "R&D"

Anonymous said...

So I am thinking that Spring soccer should not start until April. scheduling games the first few weeks in March is always risky. Keep one Blackout date for Jeff Cup and schedule through the end of June. We will be playig make-ups until then any way. Better to plan for it than react to it.

Anonymous said...

Think Jeff Cup will even take place for older groups anymore once GDA starts? I think many tourneys may be affected similarly. Different landscape.

Anonymous said...

I say yes...money maker and there will many teams that are NOT GDA and want the exposure. Many seniors are club players and still undecided on school choice.
Can be the last run to choose or pick a school before the May 1 deadline for many schools....example: player has acceptance from 2-3 schools and needs to choose.

Anonymous said...

USSF trying so hard to crown a phenom.

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/14/21/25/20170314-feat-u20wnt-sophia-soars

Anonymous said...

Nice article. And, She's a very good player and her ability to juggle school and sports is applauded.
But, I do agree with your comment. She'll probably be on the Sr. NT when they play Russia. :) Isn't that how it works?
Whatever happened to flying under the radar as far as a game plan?? Oh well. Old school I guess.

Anonymous said...

USA woman's soccer number is up.Clubs like gfa will go next level

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Anonymous said...

Who is gfa?

Anonymous said...

I think it's an NPL team from Princeton. Pretty good. They were beaten though by World Class (ECNL) in fall of last year in some tourney, I recall.

Anonymous said...

Got it. Agreed. Time for teams like gfa then to maybe go ECNL. Why not?

Anonymous said...

GFA has one team to chear for that is not an alternative fact. Let's see how they do in Vegas. How much longer before GFA merges with Copa heard the Princeton deal has gone sour since there aren't any Pronceton girls on the team. Let's see how much longer the wheels stay on the bus.

Anonymous said...

So, Sophia Smith was one of the Colorado players that was at NT camp instead of U16 nat'l championships last summer? How could that game take place without someone of her talent? Surely she would have scored at least 1 maybe 2 goals alone. Hope we get to see that rematch.

Anonymous said...

326 Those teams have played before. Love the way people assume stuff based on what the USSF says. I would be confident in saying that ECNL CL competition is better than most of the Intl games she plays. Also, funny how she was not considered good enough to start for the U17 WC team that bombed, but is now a phenom? Hmmm. I think there are other kids who could, if given the opportunity, bang in goals for the US team in these games.

Having said all that, she is a good player who I would like to see pass/combine more with teammates. Scores a lot of Unassisted goals. A sign that she feeds on mistakes. At the top level, there are far fewer mistakes made.

Anonymous said...

You can't go to the ECNL. And right now no NJ clubs meet the admission criteria.

Anonymous said...

8:38 - my recollection they played prior to the championship game and tied. So are you saying a player like Smith and the other girl from Real Colorado that missed the nat'l championships to go to NT camp would not have made a difference??

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Anonymous said...

How was ECNL PDP? Who were the coaches. How was the level?

Anonymous said...

2:53 - you would be incorrect. i have always thought her (Sophia Smith) not being available to compete (as well as her NT teammate Jaelin Howell) gave the finals a question mark.
So, this only reinforced my original thoughts and probably that of others as well. Just how it goes.
And, of course you play who ever lines up against you in every sport, but, playmakers are always missed.

Anonymous said...

11:34 - PDP was very good. Coaches were great (Rutgers asst Ryan was one) as were players. It was really good, intense and highly competitive. It was indoors due to weather and fields were smaller so games were very, very fast. Some really great soccer. Fun to watch.

Anonymous said...

803 I still dont understand your point? At the time. the issue of players missing was raised. Throughout qualification for these events, other teams - less deep teams - were forced to play without their best players. So why do you only raise this in the finals? PDA did not suffer from a lot of YNT call ups so lucky for them I guess. But again, who really cares? The teams that contend for these things usually draw players from big areas and are deep enough to withstand a few not playing. The ones affected most are the less deep teams.

Anonymous said...

814 . Not sure I see much point in PDPs . Used to be a national talent evaluation forum. With GDA/ECNL split what is it now? A chance to win a ticket to spend more money going to the national Id2 event? I no longer see the purpose.

Anonymous said...

@8:54 don't be a hater maybe next year gfa will have some copa/gfa I'd camp to see who can take your money faster and lie more .You have to abutted psa parent I know Las Vegas was a waste keep trying stallion.

Anonymous said...

Well may be true in the future. But ECNL is still the top ID venue. So this year at least it is still relevant. The national camp does cost to get there but once there it is free and there are a lot of free gear give always. It's not a money grab.

Anonymous said...

1128 . I dont really believe in a top ID venue. Its a meaningless concept to me.

Anonymous said...

How many of the PdP players are uncommitted?

Anonymous said...

136 to do that analysis you would have to compare the names to the available commitment trackers. Even then you couldn't be sure because not everybody submits their commitments. That said these are 2020-2017. Not too many 2020 are committed. Some of the 2019s are and most if not all of the 2018/17 are.

Here's the link

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZTti47PZl8kG85jjYqE_kZWSvQItf8fXK7a5xg6GRrM/edit

So you can do it if you want to.

Anonymous said...

8:50 - just jumping in, but so you really think a deep bench replaces some key players? It just doesn't in any sport.

Anonymous said...

1:36 - so what do you think of GDA?

Anonymous said...

327 it does in ECNL/Showcase soccer. And it absolutely does in pro league soccer where teams are sometimes playing 2 to 3 games a week.Many of these teams are pretty equivalent top 11 on top 11 but the games turn when subs are made. It allows deeper players to rest players when they are playing say 3 games in 4 days or 2 in 2. if my bench is a lot better than yours I can win games there. A top forward playing deep teams can see double and triple teams, wearing her down at littel tactical loss to the deeper team.

I could not disagree with you more. The teams that win are not producing better players as such. the player they have are not improving at a faster rate. They just have more depth. They beat you from 6 thru 13 on the roster...not 1-5

Anonymous said...

331 Time will tell. Impossible to judge until we are at least one full cycle in to it

Anonymous said...

355 I disagree. The teams that win consistently have 3-5 real difference makers. Those of us who know these teams well can tell you exactly who the difference makers are on each team at the top of the table. They may be deeper too, but what distinguishes them in the W-L department is their super studs. Take them away and the team is average. Not bad, but average. You don't win a championship with an average team.

Anonymous said...

That is what one poster is saying. Missing kids that went to USNT camp instead of attending a championship game would make a difference. I agree as well.

Anonymous said...

8:54 - all but the travel to the PDP event are picked up by either League and/or sponsors (Nike, Gatorade, etc.). So not money grab either. Very structured; very competitive. Was worth it.

Anonymous said...

545 Who said it was a money grab? No one did. Said a chance to spend more money. My child get s a chance to travel and play plenty of soccer. Te original id2 purpose is no longer there.

Anonymous said...

421. lets say you are correct. I dont see 3/5 studs on ANY team in the NE let alone super studs. I dont think the Champion team had one player who missed a game thru attending a YNT camp yet they were undefeated. You win ECNL games with good deep teams. 2 games over the weekend is a huge load for a team and if that team is driven by a couple of players its even bigger. Winning an ECNL title is a function of ALL the games, not just the last one. Seeding plays a big part.

Who ever said that a collection of good well balanced players cannot be a great team? Who ever said that because the team is great it must have 3/5 super studs? Flawed thinking. The team that won played together the best, was well disciplined and did not suffer too many line up changes. They were solid form 1 thru 16. Thats what a great team is.

To suggest that its super studs is just not borne out by any evidence at all. USSF clearly dont think they are super studs. Thats a question/argument for a different day, but by your metrics they should do surely.

532. Does consistently missing your best players throughout the year have an impact on any team ? if you are deep, can you get over that easier that a team that isn't? I have seen many games where the better disciplined team beats the team with the stars. So to say it would have made a difference is pure speculation. When the teams played prior, did those players make a difference ? Dont think so. I watched FC Stars play PDA and the team with the so called studs was thoroughly outplayed.

854 Debate is not whether its worth it to you. I can't judge that. I can say that when it was a venue for ECNL kids to get in front of USSF staff it made some sense. To have the Id2 team fully funded and not the rest is dumb imo. With the GDA/ECNL situation and the sheer amount of soccer the kids play, I dont think it makes much sense anymore. Its just another political tool that coaches use.

Anonymous said...

7:39 - undefeated in the league. We won't count CASL (2015) I guess.

Anonymous said...

Not trying to break stones, but 7:39 - but "simply outplayed" Stars?? Really??? Wasn't that a 1-0 game as well. And, just know Stars had several ties, like PDA, throughout the league season. Either one of those teams could have taken it.

Anonymous said...

And yes, 7:39 those players did make a difference. It's called a draw.

Anonymous said...

I get you re 7:39 re the PDP. But, it's pretty good to see how high level kids who don't play together learn how to do so. And, it's a great environment for soccer kids to meet other soccer kids and make other friends that have the same passion. How's that a bad thing? Plus when did getting some additional soccer tips become unnecessary?

Anonymous said...

At this age, if not committed, good showcases, ID clinics (and DA next year) is where to go....period

Anonymous said...

752 If not committed, practice is the place to go ...period.

Anonymous said...

809 if you get that out of it. Great. I think my kids play a lot of soccer. Do all the things you mentioned without going to the other side of the country. And im sure as heck not flying out there to watch as your post suggested you do.

Anonymous said...

801 Its soccer. The score does not always reflect the balance of play. I thought Real C outplayed PDA and lost.

Anonymous said...

8:25 of course that's part of it, goes without saying
So college coaches come to your training?

Anonymous said...

1013 yes they do. And the point is the route to commitment /options is becoming a better player.. not more exposure.

Anonymous said...

739 I get it. Your kid is a depth player on a decent team and you need to validate her.
Your definition of stud seems to be current YNT player. Well for sure Sophie Smith is a current YNT player, paying up 2 years, who scores a ton of goals and would be considered a super stud by pretty much everyone. She is one dimensional but in that dimension she is seriously dangerous. Missing her changed that Real Colordo's team odds significantly. Jayelin Howe is a big slow 6 whom I personally also don't think is a super stud, but what do i know? The USSF also promoted her 2 years so someone thinks she was a standout enough player to have made a difference in that game.

Having said that, the PDA team also has its share of top game changer players. One of the key defenders and the GK went immediately to YNT camps, the GK then went to Jordan with the u17 YNT. That said. they have a few of the top midfielders and forwards in the country. Several have been in and out of the YNT system. Without them, PDA would not be nearly as successful so they are not devoid of their own game changers. Soccer teams don't have "line changes" so I get where you are coming from...
FYI Stars "studs" you reference are not studs they are solid players being advanced by a corrupt system.Not game changers.

Sure deep is better than not, duh. But The biggest discriminator between top and middle tier teams is the quality and number of top end players on each team. Keep trying to over value the benchn and I will keep laughing.

At least for this year PDP is still an important ID opportunity. Heinrichs pulled a bunch of players to u18 camp last summer right from ECNL national camp. After the DA was announced. The USSF know the best players are still in the ECNL and wont waste this year waiting for the DA. They are going where the pay dirt is. Not saying there isn't a nugget out there all alone, but they aren't wasting resources looking for it.

Next year I think they will spite the ECNL and not pull kids from PDP but this year, totally worthwhile as described above and a solid ID event.

Anonymous said...

I will trade my "solid" bench for your 3 "gamechangers" every day

Anonymous said...

1112 Its possible to have an opinion that si not clouded by self interest. You actually dont "get it" and its actually embarrassing how far off you are. but thats ok. The OP suggested that the difference in teams wast 3/5 super studs. I happen to disagree. I also have my own opinions and dont need the USSF to tell me what I think a difference making player is. I dont understand what your play up 2 years even means. It does not make a player any better in my eyes. I assume then you now think she is better because of it. I beleive that PDA are quite capable of containing a player like Smith and Have done several times before. I dont think its a given, as you do, that she changes the result in any way.

its funny how all this is being dredged up again when it was discussed at the time. PDA won fair and square and nothing tells me they would not have done so even if those kids did play.

As far at the key defenders and GK. so I understand you are saying that the FC Stars NT players are a product of corruption, but the PDA ones are not? So you think its pure coincidence that almost all of PDAs current camp attendees are committed to Rutgers.

i could not disagree more on what differentiates girls teams. You have just told me that FCS , who went all the way to the finals, dint have any studs. So why did they get there.? The only stud you have really defined is Smith. You are making my point for me. What differentiates the team is the discrepancy in abilty between the top and yes the bottom of the roster. a PDA has a high top end and not much difference top to bottom. there are teams out there with higher top ends , but also much lower bottom ends. FCS are the same. high top end and not much diff top to bottom. real the same. Its not the game changers. These games are often more about fitness, endurance and discipline that any thing else. Game changers are so few, that teams can come up with ways of slowing them down.

PDA are/were one of the most disciplined, prepared, well coached teams I saw - dont discount that either.

Anonymous said...

1113 ..you miss the point totally. I would not trade my 1-5 for anyones, but I would trade 6-15 with the top teams. Thats is where they gain the biggest advantage.

Anonymous said...

11:05
College coaches attend your training? You must be PDA :)

Anonymous said...

The deep bench vs studs depends a lot on type of play as well. A coach who has a true striker and CM tandem can force play in the middle and final third but only so much. A team where 1-5 are all best at their role is more practical. Take a 5'10" striker who is good in the air, good off the ball and can strike the ball well, she will be a target player both for scoring and marking. Now take a team that has 5 key players at the back, mid and forward roles, they can maintain possession, defend, create oppotunities and score. The striker primodonna model falls apart when she gets injurded or has a bad day (or is called to YNT events). THe benefit for her is she is being called to YNT events, the benefit for the team is only when she is there. My daughter played on a team that had this type of player. she had a bad few weeks and the team suffered. New coach, new methodology the super striker mentality has been exchanged for possession, counter and attack. still have top 5 on the field entire game but the level of play from 6-17 has improved as well. League games are expected to be tight for subs, but showcase games are being played better. BTW my dauhter is the GK.

Anonymous said...

1247. I appreciate some of what you are saying..I think. The reality is the only people affected by those kids not playing were those directly involved. I like a good game as much as the next man, but I dont care who won the ECNL title. means nothing to me. Im sure the kids from RC wanted to play, but hey, they also wanted to go to Jordan. We have seen that the ECNL and the USSF dont really communicate or cooperate much so there you have it. As far as team dynamics going forward etc, all this stuff seem so important when you are on the team, but it reality the only important thing is improving. Wiins, losses and draws are all part of it. My kids are friends with kids from all over the country. none of them talk about who won, or what if this one had played.Its all parents.

Anonymous said...

1:06 PM
As far as who won the ECNL/National League - It looks good and if you are the one that came out 2nd because a scheduling decision you have to look at where the player's allegiance's are. Was the scheduling done on purpose or coincidence? If the carrot for the player is NT the decision is to go to the NT event. THe player will not hurt their recruiting chances by doing so. But if her team was relying on her playing in ECNL to win that is poor planning/prep by the coach/club.
Kids do talk about W/L and playing time. No one wants to sit and at this age they realize (uncommited mostly) that if their team is winning they are getting looks. And yes I agree that Youth soccer is at odds with itself pitting ECNL against USSF, but it is no different than business trying to build kingdoms through aquisitions and mergers rather than create something new. But USSF thinks they can create a better product not by partnering with the ECNL but pilfering from it. Plus there is the end game for the girls you assume are not watching scores and playing time, college money, and some recognition. The same motivation that the parents have for chasing the game.

Anonymous said...

7:52 - I don't think you understand that ECNL PDP included younger ones as well. As someone noted, it's 2020 through 2017. All the older ones 2018 and 2017 are committed and most of the 2019's as well. Several of the 2020's are committed.
But, you don't seem to understand. This event had nothing to do with college commitments.

Anonymous said...

11:12 - let's not get into who left that game (the U16 championship) from PDA and was invited to attend camps. The point is unlike Real C, the PDA kids were THERE for the game.
And, btw, I and others don't agree with a few of those invites either. But, the politics of soccer will always prevail.

Anonymous said...

@12:38 - btw - not PDA. Yep there are other teams out there that get coaches to come to training (top level programs, too).

Anonymous said...

12:47 - my daughter is a gk as well. Glad your team has improved for you/her.

Anonymous said...

1:06 and yes those RC kids did go to Jordan; and played.

Anonymous said...

2:04 - ECNL isn't pilfering from the product. The clubs, players and coaches ARE the product and they are the ones that gave a league that no one thought would be very good, it's success. That is what ECNL seems to forget when it treats some member teams better than others. They made ECNL not the other way around.

Anonymous said...

204 . if girls are watching scores and PT they are , as I have said above, focused in the wrong place and getting terrible advice fro adults. I am unaware of any top College coach who is looking at results to recruit. they look at players. I have never been around a coach who said Ill take that kid becasue she was on the roster of an ECNL champ. When you say the goal is NT, i have no idea the level you mean. If you meant the full team then no decision made now re Camps has any bearing. Those kids were in a world Cup year and prepping so its a bit different. They wanted to go to the WC. Totally understandable and I cant think of any kid who would have turned it down to play in an ECNL champ game given that they had already put in 18 months of work.

There are some top kids on weaker teams.

Anonymous said...

220 exactly. its now the ECNL attempt at a National team.

Anonymous said...

226 Politics of soccer? Please enlighten us ;) I thought at this age is was only the corruption at FC Stars ;)

Anonymous said...

241 Amen. Said it till blue in the face on here. the quality is determined by the players and the coaches. This notion that GDA is somehow going to be revolutionary can only happen with

- better players. I would accept better concentration of players as well. ie the best and the most dedicated getting together under one umbrella and the numbers being dictated by THAT. Not time zones, or economies of scale or road games or other non soccer factors

- better coaching
- better facilities
- better conditions - refereeing, administration etc

I see no real evidence that any of that is going to happen in the short term.

I happen to agree that the USSF and the ECNL should have partnered, but my vision of a GDA and the current ECNL are vastly different and Im not sure where the common ground would be. I see GDA as a specialist product for the very best players ( current and upside potential) . The sad part is it looks like another version of the ECNL with a few tweaks. And we seem to have the ECNL top brass with fingers in both pies .

Anonymous said...

2:41 PM

I think you mis-understood, GDA is pilfering ECNL teams/Clubs/Players only to provide the same thing re-branded. Also, College coaches may not be selecting kids based on their teams success in the ECNL Championship but I do believe the kids who participated and won count that and will count that as a good soccer memory. Sometimes we as parents forget that in order for these girls to continue to play they need to have some enjoyment and reward. And recruiting is a mth. In order to be recruited you want to be recruited. Sure you may get discovered but reality is more like American Idol, you need to play at the events where the coaches are and be active with the schools you want to go to. I am sure you and your daughters spam folders are full of invites solicited by the schools that bought the database from the ECNL. But the real contacts come into the inbox.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. The politics of soccer; only some (ahhh..can you say ECNL board) able to get the best of both. :)

Anonymous said...

3:52 - Yep. But for us, the real contacts have come from the club and the coaches. The colleges reached out to them because they like the club and the coaches and their style of play and my kid is part of the system of it's success. ECNL provided the venue for the games.

Anonymous said...

And no, we are not PDA. Yep, others out there as well. And, college coaches come to our practices, too.

Anonymous said...

whoops, sorry. I'm 2:41.

Anonymous said...

357 ?? At the top end, Colleges recruit players. They reached out to you becasue they liked the player. Dont ever forget that. I am happy that my kid is io a good environment, but that is usually created by an individual or group who understand that a CLUB is it personality and that is a function of the people.

352 I agree.. I did say that it matters to those INVOLVED. I mot trying to analyze it now. Its done and dusted.

354 Is it the best of both? i think they are taking a huge risk. if they dont get the best players to the USSF GDA teams then how does that look to the GDA folks given many of them bragged about getting GDA in the first round? its going to be interesting watching this from afar. Its worth noting the the fallout from our U17 WC performances has been ZERO accountability so far. BJ Snow now coaching the U-23s and almost all the U17 players are still playing on NTs and quite a few of them at u-23 or higher.

I dont trust the USSF to lead anything based on merit or accountability.

Anonymous said...

11:12 am - have to laugh at the "line change" comment. Our coach does just that at times. Not recommended. First, it takes away the chemistry built on the field playing against an opponent and secondly, it changes the dynamic of your own team.
I never understood coaching against your own team (challenging them instead of putting the correct personnel out there), but that is how it's done by some, I guess.

Anonymous said...

4:26 - I agree, fully. It's the player and where ever the players go (i.e., GDA, the coaches will as well).

Anonymous said...

4:26 - that is why playing internationally is the goal of some, now, instead of USNT.

Anonymous said...

@3:23 - The ECNL will now be the GDA. ECNL will not be what it was anymore. So most if not all of the success absorbed by the League will be moving forward and will now be GDA. ECNL will become the 2.0 version. So, if you like ECNL, now, you should like GDA, too.

Anonymous said...

12:01 - I agree that there does not seem to be blind selection re NT camp and that US Soccer seems to be (either intentionally or unintentionally) assisting in the politics by helping some college programs become stronger than others.

The Rutgers' selections were kids already committed to Rutgers and then got their invite to NT; not the other way around like some of the other programs (where the kids have been on the NT radar, first; prior to the college commitment).

How is your choice of college the last check off box on the list to get an invite anymore?

Anonymous said...

@4:30 - some are better at training; some are better at game time strategy and some are both. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

3/21 - 8:28 - what are you talking about? The PDP event happened here in the northeast not across the country I thought this was a Region 1 blog, mostly.

Anonymous said...

614.. The PDPis an id process. the best kids from the ECNL are then invited to a national event which is usually on the west coast. PDP is part of that ID process. i believe the 2002 age group will be all expenses paid including some other "perks" .depending on your schools eligibility rules you may be able to keep some stuff. Thats how it was when my kid was a 2000. It is in effect the ECNL National Team

hope that answers you question and where 828 was coming from

Anonymous said...

505. indeed. Funny that. As I said earlier, some would have you believe it only those awful FC Stars folk that seem able to swing NT inclusion for the "right" kids. And a WC trip. For a kid who had never been to camp before in the entire 2 year lead up to the event. Hmmm. Pretty amazing huh. Kinda beats getting on invite to a camp in Fla. But shhhh its PDA so its fine

Anonymous said...

454 ..I dont think so. The ECNL was clearly the No1 . I dont think the GDA/ECNL will have a clear cut winner for a while. Maybe 2 years. A lot can happen in 2 years.

Anonymous said...

442. It may be. Money has a lot to do with it as well. The USSF mentality is trust us, we know what we are doing. My reply would be what evidence do I have of that? GDA was largely all about trust us. We know how to ID and train players. I dont think they do. we have kids that our kids havemeasured up very favorably against in the Full NT squad, on the U-23s, the U-20s. How? Where are all the older kids?

Anonymous said...

11:24 - I respectfully disagree. I think it will hit the ground running as the playbook is already there (i.e., ECNL) and many of the top players will be leaving to the GDA. Not all, probably, but many. That's all you need to make a difference.

Many didn't think GDA would happen. It is. My Vegas $$ is on USSF to get it up and running immediately in particular to counter the ECNL right away. Just what I see happening.

Anonymous said...

https://www.socceramerica.com/article/72741/roster-us-u-23-women-head-to-portland-and-orlan.html

Maybe message is being heard. Both rosters only have a few of the same players. This way others get looks as well.

Anonymous said...

123 I disagree. this is totally the wrong way around. By U-23 we should be getting an idea of where we are. The turnover SHOULD be at the younger ages. U-23 is in theory one step from the full team. If you are filling these camps with kids you have never looked at before then something is drastically wrong with your ID process.

Anonymous said...

1218 I dont know how oyu can think that when they have ALREADY lost at least 10pct of original intake before a ball has even been kicked. I know top teams who only have a 10 pct take up rate currently for GDA among the older age groups. Many kids want to play HS soccer and are not buying in to the need to aspire to a NT. they feel they are getting all they need from the ECNL.

The USSF cannot do anything to "get it up and running immediatley" becasue that is totally reliant on the consumer. Thats the problem. If they had done it properly, ALL places to the GDA would have been by USSF invitation. Much harder for a kid to turn that down. The current set up, you are going to Club coaches, and asking about the GDA to get info and make a decision. Many of those coaches do not believe in the GDA at all.so its hardly a ringing endorsement.

Its going to take a long time to shake out.

Anonymous said...

8:32 - well it's pretty evident there is an error in the process so now they are trying to address and fix it. You can't fix the error unless you admit you made one. So...

Anonymous said...

8:37 not sure how you are making that statement? If you have a crystal ball and can make predictions, surely you have won the lottery several times already, right??? I didn't think so.
ALL the kids I have spoken with in my area are trying out for GDA and some have already (some have to wait until after May 1st). There are people I know that their kids aren't trying out and are doing high school. But, in all likelihood, they would not have been a candidate and some are not ECNL now. So, I think they know their limitations already and are setting themselves accordingly.

Anonymous said...

Reading one of the above posts. ALL invitations to GDA would have been through USSF. That's funny.

ALL the invitations to the GDA were through USSF via their acceptance of the clubs. When you are opening up the player pool, you rely on your chosen clubs and their reps to take on the task of filling the slots. They are sending out the invites.

Look at the number of current ECNL participants. Do they care that they can not compete for a club level state championship and then regional title like the USYS teams? Not at all. And, some clubs have ECNL, NPL and USYS teams for this reason.

Anonymous said...

meant to say like the non-ECNL teams as far as competing for cups.
It's not just USYS that compete for state, regional, etc cups. It's NPL, and the rest as well.

Anonymous said...

842 Evidence of fixing it would be many new faces at U-15-16 and 17 , not U-23. New faces at U-23 suggest they got selection wrong , new faces at younger ages suggest they got the process wrong. Big difference.

Anonymous said...

847 how is it any different form the guy saying the opposite? its two people with different views sharing them on a forum. GDA is not a regional thing is it. Im glad your area is different , but surely success is reliant on National take up? Hence my comment that i think it will take a while to shake out. Not really controversial is it? Is going out on a limb far more to suggest that day one the USSF are going to make it work If its is/was such a no brainer, why have some big clubs pulled out ?

Anonymous said...

910 Very different proposition when the most powerful of those Clubs are on the board of an entity , the ECNL that clearly does NOT want you to succeed

Anonymous said...

How many big clubs have pulled out and NOT partnered GDA elsewhere? Very few.
It's telling to me that several clubs have pulled out of ECNL altogether that the success of the GDA will be immediate. Clearly those teams are not about the $$$ like ECNL earns. They are about development.
Will GDA be perfect? No. But, neither is ECNL or any other league.

Anonymous said...

9:16 - if they are doing it with the older ladies, I am hopeful they will do it with the younger ones as well. AND, the GDA will help take care of the problems with the younger ones, too.

The issue with the younger ones, as I see it, is that US is very successful with the kiddies; let's say U15 or U16 and younger. We usually dominate.

It's a mirage, though. Because, when those same kids don't get taller, stronger, faster, more athletic, get better soccer iq, etc as they get older and they need to be swapped out. Hence the issues with groups as they age. So, the immediate fix is at the top.

Anonymous said...

1018 we dominate at U-15 because we play CONCACAF teams that really dont have any infra structure at all. U-16 we dont dominate. U-17 we have never won the WC. makes no difference though. Its largely the same kids that were id'd at U14 ;)

Anonymous said...

When technical abilities including first touch that allows quick control of the ball and a few deceptive moves to create space and soccer IQ and vision are required to win at the highest levels we fail. We select for athletes which is ok with me but we can't allow them to rely on their athleticism and fail to develop their technique. Having said that I believe the inner technical players are wired to be able to be super technical. They have unusual athletic attributes including unusual balance, coordination and quickness that along with training results in the midfield magicians. We don't select them generally although perhaps rose Lavelle will prove one of these. In general though we are poor at selecting and developing these kids. They also tend to be late bloomers. Maybe part of their athleticism is associated with later puberty. Might be interesting to study. But also I think maybe because they have to rely on playing the ball very quickly so as not to get crushed while they are smaller. They develop great first touch. Great vision knowing where they are going to pass before they get the ball etc. yet we can also improve the gazelles so that they take the ball out of the air more cleanly etc. we can tech them how to manage double teams. We can teach them how to deal with the times that they are closed down. How to rewind the attack and get out of pressure. Obviously and more.

Anonymous said...

11:00 that is what 10:18 said. At U16 and above need to swap out the kids that didn't progress.

Anonymous said...

218 Please define progress? How do you judge progress? Is progress committing to Rutgers?

Anonymous said...

11:00

Its a CAMP followed by a WC TEAM chosen. No, its not the same year to year

May be a high percentage of same kids within the camp

Anonymous said...

240 ??????

Future said...

@3:15 must be a psa parent or coach you guys have o technical ability.You should have saw in Vegas kick and chase doesn't win

Anonymous said...

2:37 - touche'. :)

Anonymous said...

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/03/20/20/38/20170320-news-u19wnt-klimkova-calls-up-26-players-for-training-camp-in-florida

Nice to see some region 1 represented. Rachel used to be PAC, left for PF few seasons ago...

Anyone have a link for roster for latest PDP?

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/rosters-schedule-announced-for-ecnl-northeast-metro-pdp-event/

Anonymous said...

Never really heard much about USSF coach Jitka Klimkova.

Anonymous said...

8:48
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitka_Klimkov%C3%A1

A Czech Republic player. It is interesting that there are no high profile US players who wind up coaching the YN teams on the female side. I know that a few run camps or have private ventures. It would be interesting to see if any of the WC winning teams players are coaching at any level. Is it lack of interest on the part of the players or a conscious decision on the federation. There seems to be a lack of US influence in US soccer.

Anonymous said...

Thx 7:56

Anonymous said...

915 April Heinrichs ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Heinrichs

Not sure how much more INFLUENCE you want.

Anonymous said...

Of interest the 2000 and 2001 penn fusion pdp players were also PAC development players. Says a lot for Classics!

Anonymous said...

1015 . How do you think thee players are selected?

Anonymous said...

By playing for PF and Tino?
Do I get 3 guesses?

Anonymous said...

I think coaches rank players and Tino gets the final say as to the overall order and then they submit the list to whomever chooses the final PDP roster. Obviously not all clubs have the same number of players. Why FC Bucks got so many is beyond my comprehension. PDA sure they deserve a Lion's share.

How do you think it works. What outside non soccer performance based influence do you believe exists?

Anonymous said...

Do you think they put these kids in PDP to keep them happy so they don't look to PAC GDA next year? If so you must then also believe that PF values them so your argument is circular.

Anonymous said...

915
Gulati is friends with jill Ellis' dad. hence JE. All the youth NT coaches are associated with each other. Most commonly a UCLA connection. The 99ers are cut out. Michelle Akers has been critical of Ellis. It will take a major change to get her into the picture.

Anonymous said...

11:13 AM

Not sure how much rhyme or reason there is, looking at players my daughter plays with and against and then to see the list does not make much sense sometimes. I have seen players who are commiting to better Colleges that have never appeared on a PDP or ODP list. It's great bragging rights and will get some additional looks for un-comitted kids. There was a list for a US soccer event at Villanova and one of the players invited was a head scratcher as well. But then if you know a few who go and see the other connections (school, parent alumni) some of the outliers start making sense. There are some players that may get there on their own but I would say more than 50% have skills Plus connections.

Anonymous said...

Don't follow what is the us soccer list and Villanova reference?

Anonymous said...

To me, PDP is jsut another soccer camp. Reading the responses to 1035 is interesting

1113 I think many of these things come down to the coaches and the squeaky wheel. The coaches who make the most noise about it tend to get their players invited. There are also many many kids who turn it down , leading to the local clubs plugin in kids they know will replace at short notice. Clubs use this stuff as marketing. Wny do PDA deserve the lions share? I dont get why the prevailing wisdom is that PDA has the best players. they dont. have a monopoly on talent.

1114 i think some kids would rather not be there :)

Anonymous said...

10:51 - yes it says need to cut bait and go to Penn Fusion to excel.

Anonymous said...

10:52 - I was told as my daughter was selected for ECNL/PDP in a different conference that it was based on scouting reports at events and coaches from other teams. That is what is cool about this. The respect from the league and other teams, too.

Anonymous said...

The US Soccer/Villanova comment was regarding a Nat'l Training Center to be held there as a venue. It was canceled due to weather. I have younger ballers, too.
Anyway, has nothing to do with ECNL PDP as NTC is for the younger ones. I think they age out at like 15.

Anonymous said...

1:50 - I think the club running it gets to pick some kids that are not invited through the league. My daughter's invite came through ECNL Commish. I think PDA ran it this year, I heard.
And, I don't know many that turn it down; unless you are packing for NT camp this week and even that RD was there.
US Soccer scout may be there but college coaches (not including Rutgers) were there too.

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