Wednesday, October 2, 2013

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Anonymous said...

So is the Match Fit NPL team listed the same as their ECNL team, or is it their B team?

Anonymous said...

It's their pre-ECNL team.


FCSC Nemeis 00 White (WA#1)
MFC Fire 01 Premier (MS#1)
Michigan Hawks (MI#1)
NEFC GU13 ELITE (MA#2)
FC Copa Academy Girls (NJ#4)
Eclipse 01G Black (TXS#4)
Match Fit Academy (NJ- ECNL u12)
Tampa Bay United Premier (FL#7)
LWPFC White Piranhas (WA#8)
FC Golden State (CASouth 16)

Barons skipped becasue of waste of time or scared to lose to a u12 team? or scared to play 3 other State #1's and a very strong #2 from MA. Just for the Record CA and TX have strong teams as does WA.

Regardless, Go Copa and represent.

Flight A
6 pts (+2) FCSC Nemeis White (2GP)
3 pts (+1) Match Fit Academy (2GP)
3 pts (0) NEFC GU13 (2GP)
0 pts (-1) MFC Fire Premier (2GP)

Flight B1
6 pts (+4) Michigan Hawks (2GP)
3 pts (+1) FC Copa Academy (1GP)
0 pts (-5) LWPFC Piranhas (1GP)

Flight B2
3 pts (+5) FC Golden State (1GP
0 pts (-2) Eclipse 01G Black (1GP)
0 pts (-3) Tampa Bay United (2GP)


Anonymous said...

And what #1 is copa playing? That's what I thought.

Anonymous said...

Hey 2:10 you forgot to say how can the 2014 South Texas State Cup Champion be ranked number 4 in TXS and #350 in the Nation?

Anonymous said...

3:48 you just have all the answers don't you. How about they are playing the games their schedule has them playing. They should come out of this as a number 4 seed and then play the number 1 from WA or MI for a trip to the Final.

Don't go by GS to much - it's still a work in progress and by no means the bible.

Anonymous said...

3;49

Thanks for proving my point. That's like saying, you're happy that you beat the Alaska state cup champs. Big deal!!!

How did the Texas South state champs do yesterday? lost 5-0? Wow, way to represent

Anonymous said...

Yup, Brazil 1-7 they must stink also, going by your theory.

Anonymous said...

Now you're comparing Brazil to the U13 girls Texas S. State champs? You Copa parents ARE nuts

Anonymous said...

3:53 Maybe the CA team is for real why can't they be strong #16 from Southern CA. I'm willing to bet Southern CA and Southern TX has some good soccer clubs. You don't think so?

Anonymous said...

Not a copa parent not even in the right state pal.

Anonymous said...

I was waiting for the this is u13 girls soccer to come out. Like what? it's harder to lose 5-0 when your 13 or is it harder to lose 7-1 in the semi-finals of a World Cup?

These are little girls playing soccer pal. And if some parent is proud of his kid's team Bravo - keep it up and represent.

Anonymous said...

ok you just come on here and defend copa for the hell of it. I got ya

Anonymous said...

Let me guess - your kid's club is EDP but not EDL and you think you should be in NC watching your kid play?

Anonymous said...

Not defending copa - talking about the NPL finals.

PS. I come on here to talk soccer

Anonymous said...

not even close, my kid is in ecnl

Anonymous said...

Oh - so your kid is to good and you must know it all because your ECNL?

Anonymous said...

ps my grammar stinks - so feel free to blow it up

Anonymous said...

no, you just made an assumption of where my kid played so I corrected you.

Anonymous said...

Just like you made an assumption I was from NJ or my kid played for Copa

Anonymous said...

touche

Anonymous said...

Good Luck - in the fall

Anonymous said...

Just for the record, the team from Texas did not lose 5-9 yesterday. They lost 2-0.

Who are you all to judge? Whether you are Splash parents, MF parents, or just some bitter parents at the same or lower level than Copa, you don't have the first clue about national soccer.

GotSoccer is NOTHING to go by. California South, North, Texas, Florida teams all train YEAR ROUND OUTDOORS. They are ahead of us here on the East Coast in their development. Look at GotSoccer National rankings, not many West Coast teams in top 20... However there are still many strong teams that are better than East Coast teams.

Copa lost today 1-0 to FC Golden State who are probably the best team there out of everyone. Keeping those games close is a great credit and a job well done to Copa. A win and a close loss at the National NPL Finals is a good showin and still one game to play tomorrow v Eclipse from Texas who are also very good.

Barons didn't skip this. They couldnt take enough players. Believe me they wanted to come and experience this, as did NYSC. It's a top event with great fields and great competition.

So many people on here that will just never be happy for anyone else that is having a good season.

Anonymous said...

COPA COPA COPA! And proud! Match fit team sucks! They are the best team match for has and they are still bad!

Anonymous said...

Lol at the guy that thinks GotSoccer is actually accurate and real.

These NPL teams are outstanding, and would probably beat your precious daughters team every day of the week.

All educated soccer parents are laughing at you with your 280th and 350th in the nation statement like GotSoccer matters.

Anonymous said...

Got Soccer has NJX 41st in Nation & Freehold 78th so enough said on those rankings. NJX isn't even 41st in Region 1 if you ranked all the possible teams so Nation is a far stretch. Good luck to Copa tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone down in NC for real? Who have you seen so far and how did they play?

5:11 you slay me. Whatever dude or dudette.

Anonymous said...

Copa parent here, down in NC and very proud of our team so far.

Yesterday we played a good physical team from Tampa Bay. We won 2-1, it was 2-0 at half and we played very well. They scored early in second half off a corner kick and got some life from it. Made the second half very difficult but we stuck at it and got the win.

Today we played a fantastic team FC Golden State from California. They were very skilled, technical and moved the ball extremely well. We played very well in the first half and had some good chances. Putting them under a lot of pressure, we were so proud as we knew this team were one of the best teams here. They scored off a great 25-yard shot just before half. We actually had our best forward missing today, she hurt her knee yesterday and that limited our offense. Nevertheless we came out with a good performance losing 1-0.

The best 2 teams here that I have seen so far are FC Golden State and Michigan Hawks. Those two play each other tomorrow. We need to win and get some help to advance to the semi's.

Enjoying the experience, girls are having a great time and we are excited to be here after a great spring. Believe me when I tell you that U11 and U12 was tough for us. We are so happy and honored to be competing at this level now and we hope to stay here and play with these teams for many years.

Anonymous said...

Match fit is a poor quality team , mediocre at best. Copa is another category of play

Anonymous said...



Again, people still searching for a clue on this blog. COPA and Match Fit are representing NJ, so why wouldn't you support them? From what this blog has shared the Match Fit team is a U12 team that is competing against older teams and doing ok. I'm not a fan of the COPA coach, but hope the players do well and enjoy the experience.

Got soccer really doesn't mean anything, except you play a lot of tournaments and increase your daughters chance of getting injured. Keep you daughter involved at that level and you will be at the doctor within a year.

How about some educated discussion about teams, not bashing. Who cares where a player goes to play, only her and her parents, in the end. What team lost players what team gained who cares? Should ask what teams are developing players, not just about winning games. Although, all of you think that is the end all be all. What a joke.

go to youtube and watch this video: I imagine some of you having this conversation with your daughters coaches and trainers, but all should watch and enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=soccer+mom+advice

Anonymous said...

To the GotSoccer guy so we can keep you in the loop...

Team that beat Copa today 1-0 only lost 1-0 in May to the current GotSoccer #1 in CAS and #4 in the Nation, Beach FC Black.

Just to give you a better idea of the level of play there in NC.

Good luck Copa. Make NJ proud and ignore some of these clowns on here.

Anonymous said...

5:40 - well said and yes the MF team is a U12 team playing up and not the Pre ECNL team.

Anonymous said...

Here we go, "we actually had our best forward missing today". I'm sure statements like that make the other forwards feel just great. Were the refs bad too?

Anonymous said...

Jealousy is such an ugly thing. Are you just mad that you are only playing sand soccer right now?

Anonymous said...

Heck I wish we were there. Had a shot and couldn't close the deal. I agree with the other reasonable people and despite not liking the Copa game pay, I still wish them well and hope they win as a NJ team.

Anonymous said...

5:54 did you hear what I said? Wasn't an excuse. I said nevertheless we lost and it was a good game.

Someone asked for a report earlier on our games and how we are playing. People talk about certain individuals on here all the time like the Barons did with their best forward that left in the spring.

We are talking soccer, not excuses.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 5:37 - I was the poster who asked. Good luck.

5:54 Do you say unlucky even though it was a terrible mistake?

I don't have a problem with that statement, it's the poster opinion and that's what I asked for and besides it didn't read like an excuse to me.

#1 FC Golden State G00
#2 Michigan Hawks 01
#3 FCSC Nemeis 00 White (WA)

#4a MFC Fire 01 Girls Premier (+1)
vs FCSC Nemeis 00 White

#4b FC Copa Academy 13 Girls (+0)
vs Eclipse 01G Black

#4c NEFC GU13 ELITE (+0)
vs Match Fit Academy NPL U13

#4d Eclipse 01G Black (-1)
vs FC Copa Academy 13 Girls

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a kid (00 or 01) at URI. How is it up there?

Anonymous said...

Don't worried slick,she will get more playing time,with the 2 leaving.....

Anonymous said...

You silly girls, soccer is for boys

Anonymous said...

So STA only win 1-0 today over a bad team from PA and Warren United Energy...

NJ Wildcats lose 2-0 to the team from PA and beat Warren United 1-0.

Both teams on a bad decline.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats were never at the level of STA so why would anyone be surprised by them not playing well? STA lost players to PDA & their coach so they are on the decline.

Anonymous said...

The top 10-20 NJ teams are really just average compared to the top teams from other states. There are a lot of good teams in NJ, no great ones.

We'll see how the shuffling around of Force/STA/Americans affect that, but too early to tell.

Anonymous said...

I said several times before on this blog that the only way NJ would produce a great team would be to merge one or more of the top 5 teams.

They did not exactly merge, but in effect you get the same thing with some top teams folding and the talent getting re-distributed.

The same people that scoffed at that idea will be on here beating their chests when their teams start dominating!

Talent acquisition beats development, hands down. Sorry coaches!

Anonymous said...

Troll alert.

Anonymous said...

Old bridge dominates top bracket of CJI. The new team on the rise. Does not give up a goal in a top tournament.

Anonymous said...

Hahahahahahaha!!!

Anonymous said...

Old Bridge are you serious? Please tell me you aren't.

CJI had no top teams at all. It was a joke of a bracket. Worth zero points and had summer select teams in there.

Anonymous said...

Maybe old bridge can take the Americans spot in region 1 premier league! Oh wait, they need to win a couple more JAGS games first.
Maybe they can win Spirit! Oh wait, they didn't even apply.

Anonymous said...

Old Bridge parents should maybe do a little research on the 'top' bracket at the CJI before coming on here.

Let me put things into perspective for you...

NJ Rush are a decent team in NJ, top 15-20 at best. Not close to the top 10.

On Memorial Weekend, they spanked you 6-1.

Long way to go for Old Bridge!

Anonymous said...

Everyone fears THE RIPTIDE!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
So STA only win 1-0 today over a bad team from PA and Warren United Energy...

NJ Wildcats lose 2-0 to the team from PA and beat Warren United 1-0.

Both teams on a bad decline.
July 12, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Same troll...... can't even read which teams are in a tournament. Warren United was not even in there against these teams. Lay off the crack for a while buddy.

Anonymous said...

12:19am -

You know Match Fit Energy is Warren United Energy right?

Lay off the crack buddy.

Anonymous said...

Well they are all just lucky Old Bridge wasn't there. ;)

Anonymous said...

Spirit looks very strong. Where's Old Bridge?

Anonymous said...

7:12

Clearly you are a crack smoking junky that can't read. First of all do any of these summer tournaments matter? Every non crack smoking person knows.

1. Most summer teams are made up of some regulars and some guest players. This makes all results in the summer meaningless.

2. Clearly the team in question has a name. That name is Matchfit Energy. Whatever is was before does not matter. Don't believe me just ask NJCrush and NJStallions.

3. All you do is smoke more crack and put down as many teams as possible. Not only NJ teams but apparently top ten teams from other states.

4.You have no clue what any of the teams you mention on the blog will be like next year because there has been tremendous player movement in this age group. Smoking crack has made you think you know something. Lay off the crack and clear your head.

Anonymous said...

That is apparently match fit's NE npl team now according to the club info link. Pretty pathetic.

Anonymous said...


Old Bridge is saving their money for the BIG San Diego trip......

Old bridge is better the 75% of the teams going to Spirit Tournament.

Anonymous said...

There are 70 teams applied!

Anonymous said...

Old Bridge that is funny!!!

Anonymous said...

You need to read it right to make it true! They might actually be better than most of the U11's and younger. Certainly can't be thinking they are better than maybe half a dozen u14, a quarter of the 13's and maybe two thirds of the 12's.

Anonymous said...

Old Bridge are one of the worst soccer teams in NJ. Don't apply to big tournaments because they can't play their kick ball style against real competition. Doesn't work.

Works at the DTS tournament... But then look what happens to you in bottom bracket at PDA and second bracket EDP cup.

Come back when you beat someone in the top 10.

Anonymous said...

If old bridge is going to Sandiego it better be to go to the zoo because there is not a chance they get accepted.

Anonymous said...

That's a lot of hotel and airfare to be embarrassed.

Anonymous said...

CJI top flight was worth 375pts can you believe it so Old Bridge didn't get any pts. That's the only tournament they can win one where the value is so low because no one was there that anyone would consider decent.

Anonymous said...

CJI was worth 8,000 pts last year when real teams were there.

Anonymous said...

Freehold is now barely above Jackson in Got Soccer so thy won't even be in the 3rd flights anymore of the big tournaments. This looks like the beginning of the end unless they start to pull a NJX & go in every low level tournament they can find.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. Lets pound on freehold at 7 in the morning for no reason. Lets go.

Anonymous said...

Freehold is too easy of a target since their manager rubs everyone the wrong way & they look bad after bragging the last year of what a top team they were only to lose players & never finish higher then 3rd in their league then were desperate enough that they had to take back players that left their team from the Force. Let them just drift away as they no longer need to be in any conversation provided they keep quiet a lesson I hope they have learned & let's talk about this Old Bridge team which I never heard of & after looking them up I see why.

Anonymous said...

As the Fall season approaches it would be fun to go back & look at all these predictions made on here about what team will be #1 in NJ or which teams are moving up or folding & which team will be somewhere else in the Fall. Most predictions don't look like they are going to come true. NJ Stallions & NJ Wildcats becoming too teams? NJX folding? Brick 1st going to Wildcats then PDA Shore? IGFA being one of the top teams? Copa will be #1 in NJ by seasons end? So far none look good & no one saw Force folding unless you were on that team. Possible teams on the way up Real NJ & NJ Crush & teams on the decline you have to start with Freehold & NJX.

Anonymous said...

9:01 You and only you are constantly berating the FH coach/manager. Stop being an ass, it is only you that has an issue. Sorry if she turned away your advances.

Anonymous said...

No the poster but let's see about only one because there are many that talk negatively of that team & it's always style of play & manager. You may like her but outside of the team not thought of highly.

Anonymous said...

Some people need to be reminded of their bad behavior !

Opinions, questions and your point-of-view are welcome. PLEASE do not disparage or insult individuals by name or initials. Keep the discussion informative, lively and engaging not negative.
Sincerely,
Youth Soccer Talk

Anonymous said...

What exactly has she ever done to YOU. Be specific.

Anonymous said...

Again I don't think we should be discussing anyone in particular but some people don't have good reps whether they are deserved or not. There are always people that have their own agenda as why they don't like someone but in certain peoples case they are a good number that don't think highly of them.

Anonymous said...

interesting choices for region 1 01 and 02 rosters
www.uricsp.com

Anonymous said...

also '00

Anonymous said...

What do mean interesting?

Anonymous said...

you can try and bash all these town teams all you want but they still do a decent job! It is a good option for some who want to play at a high level without paying the high prices!

Anonymous said...

What is URICSP

Anonymous said...

There is only 1 town team playing at a high level & it's not Old Bridge. Not bashing town teams as some are decent but if you're not at any academy them chances the you re not playing at a high level league or tournaments.

Anonymous said...

www.uricsd.com

university of rhode island

Anonymous said...

significant 01 ECNL kids there and many switches in and out of team/pool from last year 00. Different coaches preferences? Kids growing or not developing? simply the nature of the tryout roulette?

Anonymous said...

only last years pool on web site......Where can you see this years selections? that address doesn't work

Anonymous said...

www.uricspd.com

Anonymous said...

So who made the real team the red or blue?

Anonymous said...

Red team is the real team. Blue is a money grab that they started last year with the '00's. Used to send 44 NJ players to Regional cp now they can send more to make more money that they don't spend on the players. College coaches don't put much stock in ODP anymore. Waste of money now maybe not on other States but definitely in NJ.

Anonymous said...

The strategy works. Many kids who didn't make the pools last year opted out. Most who had some success as the pool was 110 kids for 00 ( talk about a money grab which it doesn't look like they will repeat at 01). Some b-a move my and some new kids. Not sure if they are new to the program or not even in the pool last year.

Anonymous said...

Clearly a money grab just like Summer Select. Remember when there was 1 Select team & you had to make it not just pay & they make another team? ODP has turned into the same thing. 1 State team & 1 Region team not 72 players on a team when you only need 18 players but you can collect more money from multiple camps for the extra players. Gets people to believe they made it so they keep feeding the money train. People need to wake up & see how youth sports are changing for the worse.

Anonymous said...

I dont think they are doing this on the boys side.

Anonymous said...

Girls side seems to be where they try to make the money like with ECNL & 30 man rosters. Maybe they believe the parents of girls are not as educated as the boys? If you read most of the posts on here I can see why they would think that. NJSA for years used the girls sued to fund the boys yet those parents bought in. Everyone needs to get educated & stop letting people that personally & financial benefit tell you what you need to do with your kids & find out for yourself before it's too late.

Anonymous said...

U-13 regional pool (5) girls made it from nj; congrats great job

odp state team maybe not a big deal to colleges coaches especially @ U13, but odp regional & national does show something.

Most coaches do not know the players from outside their state and are making their decisions based on the player effort at the camp (less politics)

College coaches will be interested as the odp regional & national girls as they become u16-17.

Many of the regional & national coaches have ties to colleges

C’mon…any parent on this blog would want their kid selected for the regional pool

any ID is a good this, congratulate these girls

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the 5 girls who made the regional team. Goal of "Olympic Development Program" is to find these truly special kids. Goal should not be to string along girls to get extra training fee. That is issue with nj Odp. Hopefully those girls become focus now and not the $$$.

Boys side is different. Academy kids are not allowed to play Odp. As they grow they kill opd because theiy are truly player centric. True academies are free but only on boys side as of now.

Anonymous said...

joke, all of you.

Anonymous said...

agreed, the free system is the only true system to id the "top players"

Anonymous said...

All from copa, copa,copa?

Anonymous said...

2:01 you are SO sad.

Anonymous said...

2:01 actually a decent conversation on here for once and we get an idiot like you trying to ruin it.

Anonymous said...

Is there a big relative age effect on the ODP region pools and teams? Was there much of a chance for a fall 00 u13 to make the pool? I see one of ours from last years SJEB dropped off this year.

Anonymous said...

How do you know 5 NJ girls make it? Am I missing the link that says where the kids are from?

Anonymous said...

Even if you try to say the regionals are not as political, they only get to choose from the connected insiders. It's a farce. Played with and against so called Olympic quality and not very impressed with more than a couple. Only made it because of who they knew.
I'd rather see what a free US Club ID program can do. Talent only - not money or connections.

Anonymous said...

Regional Camp was horrible. My kid hated it and she said it was very unorganized. Not going back. She said the players who were selected didn't show much skill.

Anonymous said...

It is character building. Hellacious in fact. Waiting for the list. On off- not being able to make sense of it sometimes. Frankly real life. you can't protect your kid from disappointment forever. Learn now life isn't fair but how can I improve my chances for success. My kid has learned a ton from the experience...and I don't mean soccer.

Anonymous said...

Big life lesson = it's not what you know it's who you know.
Lesson #2 = everybody likes you if you have enough money.

Anonymous said...

5:25 and 8:27 = sour grapes. You probably made out worse by telling her she was right.

Anonymous said...

What are you teaching your kids saying these things. Fact: Life isn't fair. Coaches like certain kids and don't others. This years coaches might have been looking for something different. The only truth to the who you know argument is the bizarre head chaperone mom from NEFC. Her kid was a shoo in no matter what. Many kids made it for the first time from clubs with little influence. Certain coaches like certain kids. My kid will mature from the experience. Life lesson: make your own luck.

Anonymous said...

Sorry it's not an academy... you can't pay your way into the regional pool.

Anonymous said...

But your never getting there if you don't have the money.

Anonymous said...

Who's kidding who? The academies will give the best players a free spot. The ODP coaches advertise offering paid training sessions to help with the skills needed for tryouts. At least the academy promotes talented less wealthy players.

Anonymous said...

GFA chasing some easy points next week at the Maps Caps tourney...

Also looks like they might face the mighty Ols Bridge! Please oh please have them in the top bracket again so they can play some real teams.

Anonymous said...

8:27 It really is a shame if you are teaching your kid these lessons. She will make excuses for everything that doesn't go her way. Oddly the super kid from SJEB fell off the list this year. Bottom line some coaches like characteristics of some players and not others. Coaches preference probably the most important selection factor followed by luck. For example are they looking when you do something right or when you do something wrong. I know last year my kid fell off the list when she made an errant back pass to the goalie that resulted in a goal. She is still an excellent player, but that did her in. Red line across her name. The watching factor is important in the early days when they had to evaluate many kids. As the team began to take shape there was more of the former. Most of the kids knew no one and come from many different clubs. have no idea what you mean about money? Do you really think parents are paying off Region 1 officials to get their kids in? Seriously you need help then. what proof do you have other than you disagree with the selections that were made?

Some states are well represented because ODP is stronger in those states and more of the top players participate. VA and EPA for example. The gunner got put down to the B '00 team. Why? Who knows.

Anonymous said...

If it was a genuine attempt at Olympic Development, it would be subsidized and not funded by the families. It is nothing but a money maker.

Anonymous said...

There are 15 year olds already playing for women's league teams. Those players are the future Olympic players. These camps are meaningless. The stars don't need to bother.

Anonymous said...

Keep thinking that to justify not allowing your child to participate. However, it still means something to college coaches to make the regional team. For sure it should be subsidized, but it remains the only open tryout ID platform. Some kids actually enjoy the experience as they keep participating despite already having committed. The numbers drop off at older ages in large part as kids understand they don't have what the coaches are looking for and basically give up trying- amidst a gaggle of derogatory comments.

Anonymous said...

Or they give up after already talking with college coaches & find out they no longer put a lot weight on ODP anymore but ID camps & showcases. Believe what you want but as someone stated before get yourself educated & do your own research.

Anonymous said...

Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.

I would tell my kid; Maybe the fox should regroup train harder & put an extra effort next time rather than taking the easy way out and blame the grapes if you really want this.

Anonymous said...

@7:09

Ok, Copa dad, whatever you say. Nobody chases points like Copa does, that's a fact. Anyway, like it was known 4 months ago when we applied who would be there. I can't wait to play you again and pound you like we did in the fall.

I also can't wait to see your results this year when you actually have to play top flights. I see lots of 3rd and 4th place finishes in your brackets (not flights) just like last week when you filled in for SJEB at the NPL finals.

Anonymous said...

8:58 I will take you up on this debate.

Open Tryout for what exactly? Training or id?

Most NPL/ECNL clubs today offer superior training because they are set up to follow the DA standards. Then we have other clubs not NPL/ECNL that offer strong training and participate in top flight of major events. So what does ODP offer that these clubs don't to justify the extra approx 1.5k? For that amount of money you are better off attending 5 $200 Camps to get 20 hours of training per week (total 100 hours of training) and still have $500 in your wallet.

If it's id? I believe players should be referred to a program by their coaches if the player has the goods and if the coach refers players not at that level - well then they lose the privilege to refer players in the future. This will help parents to identify the coach that sees talent and pushes talent to the next level.

What do you think? Crazy?

Anonymous said...

One more thing what will help your kid get that college coach you speak about?

Training 2 hours x 10 ODP sessions for a total of 20 hours of training if they train the entire 20 hours? Plus a Regional Camp - how many hours of training?

OR

7 $200 Camps @ 4 hours ours per day 5 days per week for a total of 140 training ours?

Which is more work, which has your kid working harder at u13?

And like I said if they play for a high level team already - they have the event exposure - So what exactly is ODP doing?

I'm willing to bet that the id2 pool is stronger than the ODP pool are you?

Anonymous said...

No I don't, but I also know that even within the club environment there is the similar problem that the coach recommends 1 or 2 players /birth year for id2 or the NTC. Your child has to have what that coach subjectively thinks is id2 or NTC qualities. If she is recommended by the coach you only have to pay to get the kid there across the country often an expensive plane ticket for id2. If your kid is not the 1 or 2 recommended by the coach she can try ODP. There is an open tryout meaning: no coach recommendation to tryout and those who make it are included. I won't go into politics etc. Certainly there are some, but still a kid can try out. Despite what is said ODP still means something on the soccer resume of girls who make the interregional squads. Further, when a kid is successful at ODP their club coach gets some recognition and frankly is more likely to also recommend the kid to the id2 and NTC programs. There are national scouts at these events and your child just might get chosen. Who knows? Up to you and your child whether you think the money and time invested in ODP is worth it.

Anonymous said...

some experiences for your kids are “priceless”.. they have to learn on their own what a good for them. I believe as a parent the more experiences my kid is exposed too (w/in my financial capability) will enable them to make better decisions in the future for themselves.

Anonymous said...

What ODP needs to do is come up with their own national league for all the state Associations (I believe 54) carry a roster of 24 players and charge 2.5k per player. The players identified for the 4 Regional teams (18 per team) train for free as the state association fees will cover their fees, coach salary, facility fees. I don't think this is hard to do, ODP will then attract the best players again and put the ball back on the ECNL side for them to change their way.

No Sour grapes - no complaints - just an idea on how we can fix some issues.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see the odp vs id2 @ all levels

Anonymous said...

DO you support ECNL?

You say OPEN Tryout, okay so is it free to participate if you make it? What happens if the parents can't afford it?

I think the coach should also get recognition if they refer players not at the level. They should also have that blemish (will make them think twice when evaluating talent) Should work both ways. A paid coach who has played the game knows what it takes to play the game who has it and who doesn't. You can see that pretty quickly. It's not rocket science. Unless of course they never played the game and learned via the book and youtube (don't pretend they are not out there, their credentials look good, but never played beyond HS).

I agree it is up to the parent.

But like I said I would take the 140 hours of training over the 20 hours plus Regional camp ODP offers. So just so I understand your point - you are saying you would take the less training and the experience ODP offers your kid over the extra training to make the kid a better player at u13/u14?



Anonymous said...

Experience? Did you know there ODP state associations flying to San Diego to play in the Surf Cup (ECNL Club event)?

Idaho ODP
ENYYSA ODP

Anonymous said...

I have been to some college id camps, small sided games and 11 v 11 games, not much with training drills. Coach is looking for standouts, more lower level players then on my kids regular team. Training value??

Anonymous said...

IGFA parent just for your information A Maps Cap has never drawn top teams & B top teams wait to see who applies before they do if they are truly looking to only play top teams. IGFA is just like NJX playing in low level tournaments just to get pts so they can pretend their Got Soccer ranking means something yet when they get put in a flight in the top 3 they don't have good results yet you attack Copa? Teams that have to talk about themselves say it all as the real top teams have other people talking about them.

Anonymous said...

ODP in other States do draw the best players NJ does not just a fact. ID camps have coaches there looking at players not much on training but a better way to be seen.

Anonymous said...

Then just have your kid's team do an extra of 140 hours of training, I can assure they will improve & no/min extra cost

Anonymous said...

I'm not knocking ODP - I just don't see a difference between

playing for an ECNL Club
or
playing for a club and doing ODP.

ODP brings value to the kids paying less than 1k to play club soccer and it gives those kids a chance to bee seen. But I just think the extra training will only prepare the kids for those 11v11 and small sided games the college id camps do as 9:56 said.



Anonymous said...

10:01 Then the coach will think I'm one of those crazy parents for offering suggestions and thinking I know more than they do. Not playing that game.

My kid plays for a team that I am very happy with, great training great kids really push each other every day. I throw in a few camps a year to get her the extra touches to try and give her an advantage when it comes to technical skill.

I get ODP is supposed to be an ID tool to draw the best. NJ has so many NPL/ECNL clubs that follow DA standards and we all know DA's are a step above ODP so there is no need for those kids playing ODP. Unless the parent thinks it's best for their kid - which is cool. Like I said for that amount of money I would take the extra 100+ hours of training any day of the week to help prepare her for those college id camps if she is not recruited.

Anonymous said...

9:45 For many it is not an either or decision. Some can afford to send their kids to ODP and get extra training. However, I train my own kid for free and she plays hours by herself in a park racquetball court and against a wall. Because some families can afford the price tag and the extra training you describe, training and odp are not mutually exclusive choices. For those who have to make a choice financially, the question comes down to whether the kid is really a contender for a regional spot. For families where the kid is not really a contender for a interregional spot, I agree the extra training is probably more valuable. If the kid is in the running, maybe it is worthwhile to give it a shot. There are cost effective ways to improve without paying for training of course. A suggestion, play on her own, with sibling or even the dog. Grab free training with other teams in the club (another thing my kids do) or with the local team to help them out (yes they actually ask them to come). Clearly ODP is an individual family decision and can work for some and not others but is clearly not all bad or all good as is little in this world. The one advantage it has over the other id programs is its open tryouts. The advantages of id2 are that its free once you get there (can spend hundreds getting there)the best kids get on the national "watch list" and it is a good resume builder similar to ODP regional team. Advantages of NTC are its free and relatively local. A significantly weaker resume builder as is less selective.

Anonymous said...

I get it money is always an issue. People hate on ECNL instead of helping it get sponsors. With the right sponsors they might actually be able to offer their ECNL teams at no cost. But as long as you have USYSA and US Club soccer going in different directions each throwing mud at each other saying their way is better we will never change a thing.

I think once the USSF makes the ECNL an official DA for girls then we can start reducing the price kids play and it will truly be an open league for the best players in the country.

Sorry in my opinion ODP is a thing of the past still pushing the same type of players through in my opinion, very little skill but very athletic and aggressive. But that's just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

True EcNL story. I will not mention club or name.

A young lady that is currently on the Youth National team ( not pool) was not chosen by her club for ID2 other players with apparently more hustle on the field were given the nod over this young lady.

She was clearly faster and quicker than a lot of players on the field including the ones that were chosen but in coaches eyes, she did not work hard enough and things came a bit too easy. This coach valued effort and talent rather than ability to work on the field with less effort but be more of a difference maker on the field. In the coaches eyes, she just didn't work hard enough. Lucky for this young lady, others outside the club saw it differently. And yes after her success after rising up through the ranks of the youth system, her coach than saw it differently.

You cant just go by ecnl ID2 for recognition, every coach sees a player from a different angle.

ODP no matter its flaws, gives a young lady another way to be seen with fresh eyes. And these fresh eyes may value something a little bit different then the players own coach.









Anonymous said...

Others
Dumb enough to
Pay
Is what it stands for now. It was at one time a real thing like Summer Select but like everything else you make more money from 72 than 44 so add more & find a camp to send them to so they feel like they made the team but didn't so you can get them to spend more later. Educate yourselves people before it's too late.

Anonymous said...

9:10 - I'm actually nothing to do with Copa... Nice try though trying to deflect the talk onto a team you are obviously bitter about for some reason? Lady I checked Copa never bash you... You get bashed by PDA and many others.

Good luck at Maps Caps playing against crap. Shame we didn't see you at the Rider Cup in that very strong top bracket.

Anonymous said...

9:10 we all can't wait for GFA to play top flights...

Still waiting...

Still waiting...

3rd flight, 4th flight, 5th flight...

Still waiting...

For a team that wants to be 'left alone' you sure have some big mouth dads.

Anonymous said...

12:27

Of course you're not, yet you defend them in your post. Clearly a Copa parent.

Did you mean it was a shame you didn't see us at Rider so we could smack you down like the last time we played? Or watch you finish 3rd in your bracket. At least I admit I'm from IGFA, you can't even bring yourself to admit you're a Copa parent. Way to be proud of your "academy".

Anonymous said...

1:45 - in your last two posts you have referred to U13 Girls soccer in the terms 'pound you' and 'smack you down'. You clearly have a real problem.

I'm not from Copa, but I am from a team that played you this season. You played Copa in October... 9 months ago. A lot has changed since then.

If you knew soccer you would clearly see that Copa has gotten better... And GFA have not. And in terms of success this spring season in very similar flights and brackets... There's only one winner.

Now quit flexing your computer muscles.

Anonymous said...

Oh and 1:45, I have no problem admitting where I'm from. My daughter was on NJ Force, now on Match Fit ECNL team... You know.. That league your daughter will never play in. GFA actually need an outdoor training field for that. Can't imagine Metuchen indoor holding ECNL games lol.

And it was me that posted about you chasing points, because you do. You are a Mickey-mouse club that has 3 teams and could barely fund that so you had to merge with TSF. Your 'academy' is a joke.

Get as many points as you can... Match Fit, PDA, Copa, STA, NJ Crush, Stallions will always be better. REAL clubs.

Funny how obvious you made your jealousy towards Copa by jumping on them so quickly... There's more people out there that think you are a joke.

Anonymous said...

Slick shot down!!

Anonymous said...

that's funny and easy to cross reference - the part about your daughter moving from the Force to Match Fit ECNL. Not true and before you argue, it's easy to check.

Second of all, you're talking crap about other clubs yet your daughter played for one of the biggest cro@ks in NJ youth soccer. A club that had it's U13 A team disband this year!!! How comical that you're so smart yet you subjected your own daughter to that kind of environment.

Anonymous said...

Keep lining your owners pockets and getting to know your new TSF trainers every season slick

Anonymous said...

Sounds funny coming from a guy who took his kid to MatchFit and then tries to lump them in with PDA. MatchFit is a pimple on PDA's arse.

Anonymous said...


Wow, you really exposed yourself. believe that there are only 2 players that went from NJ Force to Match Fit. hope you are not the parent of the player that does the flip throw. Would be a shame that you are on here posting such non sense.

Anonymous said...

You think I care that you know who I am?

Someone needs to put these GFA dads in their place... They talk way too much smack for a team of nobody's.

I would say come find me on the sideline slick... But we don't play you at the level we are at.

Have fun in EDP and at Maps Caps.

Anonymous said...

i hear gfa is for sale?

Anonymous said...

go for it slick,you could be your own boss....

Anonymous said...

Hey Copa dad why don't you and your steroid taking coach stop by and flex you know where we practice so if you talk the talk walk the walk punk

Anonymous said...

This why I would never take my daughter to GFA or Copa....

Wat to represent your clubs with dignity and elegance.

Anonymous said...

Apparently former Force aren't any better. Losers living through their daughters and tough guys hiding behind their keyboards.
Get a life and recognize if your daughter hasn't heard from a recruiter already, then soccer will always be just a game for her. Stop acting like its as important as the Middle East unrest or gaza invasion. Get perspective.

Anonymous said...

It was nice for a week!!!!!!But it looks like igfa guy got out of rehab early ,so back to bad mouthing every team at u13...do all of us a favor and just go away

Anonymous said...

Your kid had a bad tryout,let it go,maybe next year

Anonymous said...

What does a porcupine and a Copa Club have in common...both loaded with pricks.

Anonymous said...

WOW 7:33 and 10:19... did you hear the guy?? He openly said where he was from and it wasn't Copa!

Why would you come out and say those things?

Anonymous said...

8:06 - the weird thing is... it is not a Copa parent saying anything. At first it was an argument between MF and GFA parents... then the GFA parent turned around and started on Copa for no reason.

Maybe trying to start people talking about them again?

Anonymous said...

Go away GFA guy... nobody ever wants to hear anything you say... even your own parents!

Anonymous said...

You are all a bunch of idiots. There is not copa parents or GFA parents post these stuff. Just somebody with an agenda. If they are not good just let them be.
If your daughter decided to go from force to match fit who cares. If you are happy , good for you. If a team wants to play a tournament and doesn't use your money then is their business.
I thought that at this age is about development so I guess to have a location where u can practice in a consistent way is important. But sorry ,better stop there, you look at a status more then real development.

Anonymous said...

Glad to see GFA playing at there level in Maps/Caps,good luck to them

Anonymous said...

glad you are glad , now go enjoy your summer with your daughter and mind your business.

Anonymous said...

Just put a muzzle on your husband,or MF guy will visit

Anonymous said...

Not even entertaining any more, just sad to hear this over U13 soccer

Anonymous said...

C'mon now, this is so very close to World Cup in level of importance. Watch for biting on the sidelines!

Anonymous said...

Of course you mean, parents biting othr parents " on the sideline"

Anonymous said...

Heck, some of these parents might bite other parents from their own team. Way too much jealousy and back stabbing on a lot of these teams.

Anonymous said...

Slick,slick,slick

Anonymous said...

If you grease up enough, the teeth slide right off.

NOT HAPPY IN WAYNE said...

GFA=GREAT TRAINING BUT AFTER THAT NO LEADERSHIP NO ORGANIZATION NO COACHES TOTAL CHAOS NO LEADERSHIP TALENTED GIRLS BUT A OWNER WITH 0 SOCCER OR BUSINESS SKILLS AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE TRUTH I LEFT THERE OVER A YEAR AGO AND WOULD WOULD CHALLENGE CURRENT PARENTS TO DOUBT WHAT I JUST SAID

Anonymous said...

Based on this old bridge is the greatest team ever

http://msub.gmnews.com/node/89852

Anonymous said...

@3:26 you are spot on about gfa i say three more months door will close.

Anonymous said...

To the capital letter parent ...I remember you ...you left...actually were kicked out...no one leaves... Your one of two parents...the dad who had a daughter that could not keep up...and the other parent had a talented player but they also thought they were the next superstar...guest played else where because u10 is so important and they had to be at the Jefferson cup to suffer 3 loses.. One being 9-0 I remember both of you pretty well...so is the grass greener on the other side...hmmmm

Anonymous said...

Yes anything is better then IGFA.

Anonymous said...

personally speaking as a TSF parent we dont want the merge with gfa the logistics dont work.And as far as we are concerned we have some great teams ,trainers,parents and girls and if it"not broke dont fix it"im not here to bad mouth anyone he should just merge his club with wayne soccer where most of his teams came from.

Anonymous said...

3:26 yesterday I am at GFA now and would have to agree with alot of what you said,but calling out the club doesn't help anyone.

Anonymous said...

All boring stuff in this blog. Please take your personal vendetta somewhere else. Every day a new club to attack.
Can we talk soccer? Ok a parent didnt like a club and left so? It happen all the time. To the last one that wrote the comment , if you agree with 3:26 just leave too. There a lot of clubs in Nj , if you ask around half of the soccer world will have good things to say and half bad things. Go and find what is best for your daughter. Nobody is keeping you or forcing you. Now can we please move on into some soccer subjects?

Anonymous said...

7:52 you are not here to bad mouth anybody? Really? Lol

Anonymous said...

Second top player just left and one of the original starters of the club why?

Anonymous said...

PS THE U 10 girl you talked about above is better than 3/4 of all your girls ages u10 to u14 at gfa and you know it it was your loss not hers!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Because she is the best player in the state and before brick fury and now GFA were just a transition clubs. She is aiming for the top of the top and if you do not support her the right way than she has to look somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

Well said she needs to be challenged and supportedalso her dad hardly interacted with the team so please refrain from daddy comments she is a great player and all should wish her the best another top loss by gfa i only hope the owner wakes up and starts learning from these mistakes

Anonymous said...

Where has this player gone?

Anonymous said...

This player left brick overnight and did the same at GFA now.

Anonymous said...

Good for her sometimes change is great to grow a different look is always needed, plus more will be leaving soon .......... stay tuned

Anonymous said...

Player is a talented player but by no means a great player as she is but a complete player & her father believes she's the next Mia Hamm. If she was that dominate IGFA would have faired better then they have. She is good player that if she was surrounded by better players has a chance to be really good but that hasn't happened the last couple of years & wherever they go next they don't be satisfied unless she is treated as a star which on top teams she would have to one of the players which doesn't work for them.

Anonymous said...

It's ok if your daughter is average, we all know she is a great player who was surrounded alot weaker girls and did make an average team a lot better.

Anonymous said...

Believe what you want about the player but any top team that played them never noticed her.

Anonymous said...

Player that left IGFA was not even the best player on the team just her parents believe she is. Talented but far from a complete player. Team won't be around long anyway so I guess they wanted to leave before that? She needs to play on a team that she stands out for her parents to be happy so she'll never play for a top team. Will most likely play down a year in a very weak age group.

Anonymous said...

This age group is pretty weak compared to the u14's




See what I did there ?



Anonymous said...

4;12

Betcha I can find a girl or two in the u12 age group that would make your daughters head spin?

Anonymous said...

4:12.

When you say down a year, you mean on age, like your daughter?

Anonymous said...

This blog and its topic pages are informational designed to share opinions and ideas. It is not designed to anonymously attack individuals or make specific references to children, volunteers, coaches or other professionals.

Take your above petty debate offline, nobody cares

anybody got any soccer topics other than personal agendas vs players coaches clubs???

Anonymous said...

"Because she is the best player in the state and before brick fury and now GFA were just a transition clubs. She is aiming for the top of the top and if you do not support her the right way than she has to look somewhere else."

Best player in the state?? LOL! Not even close. Dribbling down the wing, getting yourself cornered, turning the ball over constantly, and flopping doesn't make you the best player in the state! She is good, but please, get real. She should have never left Brick. Parents are determined to ruin her.

Anonymous said...

the sjeb to have an A team and B team come fall?

Anonymous said...

U10 girl is talented but 3/4 the height...and unless people bow down to the player parents are not happy...u10 45lbs and 4 foot nothing fill us in when she breaks the 5 foot plateau maybe then we can compare...long ways from being top notch especially when the a defender can shoulder her off the ball without even trying. Pipe dreams try that crap at PDA it won't happen

Anonymous said...

she may not be best player but she is probably top 25or so. Many girls at u13 are better and quite a few at the u12 level.

Anonymous said...

Everybody knew that team would fail. Too reliant on a couple off girls. Counting on off age talent heading for ECNL. It was just a matter of time.

Anonymous said...

7:13 you do not even know what you are talking about. Just shut up and focus on your daughter's team.

Anonymous said...

5:22 you are so right but unfortunately too many haters and idiots on here

Anonymous said...

Another display of the example some people set for their daughters. A yellow card issues yesterday for blatant bully tactic to make up for lack of skills in a less than critical play in a meaningless summer game was followed by parents clapping and saying "just add it to the collection - good job". If there's a history of fouls, it probably wasn't a mistake. Why would someone encourage bad play with potential to injure.
The whole team was pretty rough, so it seems to have been coached. Physical play is demanded, but cheap and dangerous play should be addressed negatively by coach and parent.

Anonymous said...

Can you be more specific? Which game/team?

Anonymous said...

You must be talking about the NJ Rush.

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