:) so PF needs money? That's a little funny and incredible
12:29 - If they cant beat the ECNL B teams , then they cant beat the ECNL teams. 12:53/1:28 - Do you guys know something? Rumors are merger will happen before DA. 1:55 - I think it is not so much money but fields for the DA. If PF merges with CFC they will not have to rent fields from them anymore. Time will tell with everything12:16 - Good luck to your daughter, I hope everything works out for her.
PF cannot have both GDA and ECNL.In order to maintain cash flow, they will have to charge GDA players roughly the same price as ECNL, which kind of defeats the purpose of a DA. PF GDA is essentially their PF ECNL.Ultimately, this helps TM climb up higher on the US Soccer ladder...
"which kind of defeats the purpose of a DA" :)So this is a program for the disadvantaged?PF will end up with sheep shuffle, I don't think they will add teams but instead split up existing ones. Where are all these new players coming from?
I feel a lot of girls will not want to stop playing HS soccer to play DA, if they already started HS. It will be easier for the younger girls to skip HS for the DA.
Then play HSNothing but a choice
12:11 - 01 coach may be in for the 99/00's. He coaches 98/99. As you note, very good.
2:12 - he is very well respected by USSF and other DOC's already. But, thanks for playing.
What rentals? PF has it's own facilities and stadium. New fields installed at a common facility belong to each of those respective clubs. Both have a lot of players under their umbrella (boys and girls - all levels).
2:12 - who is saying that? That isn't what I am hearing. Did you read the soccerwire article? Rumor.
Rumor has it that JB from the PDA Splash is going to be replaced.
Good that idiot shouldn't be coaching anyone.
Ah so the Great Blog has spoken. For the person bashing, you got your wish.
Is it for fact or just a rumor? Where do you get this info? I don't actually believe it is real...
The source is credible.
PAC haven’t done a very good job to date with their girl’s teams. The 98, 00 and 01 teams are weak and the club seems to be hiding the teams. They haven’t played in any high level events and their recent results vs. low level teams haven’t been very good. The current staff doesn’t seem to be suited for coaching talented female players. If PAC wants to become the top GDA they need to start making changes. If PAC improves the coaching staff, brings in a DOC that understands female players and grows the club by doing right by the female player, they shouldn’t have a problem keeping the Central PA players at home and drawing players from outside the area. PF are doing a poor job developing homegrown female players. Recruiting has been the key to keeping things together at PF and without recruiting they would be in big trouble. Roster turnover at PF is huge and every year there are fewer players from the PF area on their ECNL rosters. Players don’t get better at PF; they just get replaced with other players that have been developed at other clubs. This isn’t a sign of a quality club and is a big part of the problem within girl’s soccer.Right now 2001 players (2019-20 grads) and older don’t need the GDA for recruiting or getting on the national team. Players currently playing at the ECNL level should be identified by the ECNL NJ (PDA) recruiting event. There won’t be a reason to leave their current club team. For the players 2002 and younger, GDA will become the highest level for players. Of course it won’t be the only way to get college exposure, but it will be most direct path. Both clubs need to improve in a big way or they will quickly fall behind the rest.
You clearly have a problem with PF. I'm in the organization and say you are wrong. My daughter is doing extremely well there. You probably have another motive; to get kids to move. Competitor or looking for spots for own/others. Not everyone posts with good intentions.
@10:26 - Are you saying that all Clubs don't take kids that have talent that they can develop further? Are you also saying that some kids don't hit a ceiling? Rubbish. It's called athletics and it happens as kids get older. Happens all the time in all sports.
You say turnover at PF is huge. Like the poster above, I disagree. Many stay at PF. Plenty of the kids in their Club are the same. The fact the same kids keep returning is what you need to look at . And, they do.I am sure the same with many Clubs. Oh, and my kid did come into PF from another club a year or two ago where she was not developing. She has been flourishing under their direction. So, you say they recruit. I say they provide opportunity. She sought them and hasn't looked back.
Considering a large part of the PF '02 team were playing for PL last year, there is some evidence that PF recruits over development, at least at the middle/high school break point.
Absolutely agree. The collection of players at the perceived "best" team has been the case for years before the ECNL/DA. Rosters experience some turn over for year to year as early developers hit their ceiling and/or lose interest and the success of the team and reputation of the coach attracts the better players from the area. There is nothing new there. I actually think that PF has an unusually large number of players who were original WCUSC kids present in their older age groups. In the older 3 age groups with the age change there was very little roster turnover. I am not sure the 99/98 and 00 even added any new players.The 01 coach is one of the best trainers in the NE. If your kid can play for him you should be thrilled.Regarding PAC. I think you are being too hard on them. MH is a good coach. The 00 team isn't terrible and the 01 team at least tried and went to Disney. I think, and this is just my opinion I don't have insider info, they will bring in a new coach with an A license to coach the 99/00 team and MH will take the 01/02s. Possibly the opposite. Although I think SK coaches both older boys teams so MH may coach both. That would not be a bad thing. The real question is will they have any movement back from PF of the Central PA kids (a lot of the 02 team was Penn Legacy and one excellent 01 started at PAC) or conversely, will the best kids from HMMS, LDC, PL, Pipeline, premier strikers come to PAC and augment their top players to create a competitive team in the DA?
The 00 team isn't terrible and the 01 team at least tried and went to Disney??? The PAC 01 and 00 teams have had poor results against low level PAGS teams. There is nothing now or in the history of the PAC girls program that shows they should be in the GDA. So if the leadership couldn't do right in the past what is going to make it change now? So will bringing in players from other places be the solution? Baltimore Armour or Pipeline are going to get GDA when it expands. I don't think you should count on building your future with players from Maryland. Transform the PAC girls program now and you won't have to worry about players leaving Central PA, because if you don't change the program players will continue to go to other clubs. PAC shouldn’t be like the other club, PAC should build their own players first and bring in players from other places to supplement rosters second. It should not be the other way around. It can be done.
They tried and went to Disney?What does that mean?They went, played well and lost championship game in pk shootout
Um, I think the poster was trying to say essentially that PAC was trying to get the players seen on a more than regional basis in going to Disney. Would not be bragging about a finalist in one of the lowest brackets. Just take the compliment. You just weakened his point.
Seriously why in the world would you think Unerarmour and pipeline would get a girls DA spot. They aren't even close.Like it or not the GDA will be a big draw. maybe not next year while some take a wait and see position, but soon.It happened with the boys and it will also happen witht he girls. The USSF will attract the best hoping for YNT camps and the next tier of hopefuls will follow. No doubt in a few years, maybe after our kid's time, there will be a clear winner.PAC does poorly because the best kids leave the area for the ECNL. Now that they have the same draw, since PF will keep GDA, they will regain those kids unless they provide a terrible coach and team. Unlikely to happen. PAC just got a big boost.
There will be kids that stick around PAC area and some that still travel to PF. The PF kids have been playing ECNL for years. Kind of an advantage already. I am not dissing PAC at all. I think they are a good organization, good coaches and players. There will be a some hiccups, but it should be fine.
Local girls will still travel to PFOnly caveat is if the club announces list of new trainers or new girls DOC that attracts PF girls to stay
800 I agree for the last couple of years and before PAC gets its act together, the local kids wont leace PF. My point was in the future, maybe as early witht he PL 02, PAC won't lose those kids to PF any longer and will probably compete for the Harrisburg kids too. Reading more than likely also. If they put together an equivalent or better program they will keep the flood eastward at bay.
From time to time PAC has established a "West" team, which has catered to kids west of the Susquehanna. These teams seem to have had more of an affiliated relationship or special circumstances, but if PAC institutionalized such a program with "East" and "West" teams, and perhaps merged with one of the Harrisburg area clubs, it could dominate the Central PA market.
MH is an excellent coach. Best I've seen and I've seen a lot. His 02 team is very good. They do very well in the top bracket at all of the top tournaments. PAC 01 coach is not comparable to him. May be the problem there. If Lancaster and Harrisburg area girls travel to PF next year so be it. Their loss if MH is coach.
The poster that said the PF 01 coach plays favorites is spot on. He is a good trainer however come game time he likes who he likes and those are the players that get the most play time. He is also very well known for telling parents/players anything they want to hear, not necessarily the truth. The decision for my daughter will come down to Coaching. ANY DA club is going to get your child great exposure.
Not my experience re that coach. I find him to be refreshingly frank and extremely well respected in the soccer world.
9:51MH has been a constant for girls side Haven't heard much negative for 01 coach, team seems decentMany hope to see him playing a big role in GDAThe addition of a "new" girls DOC would do wonders
MH grabs the perceived most talented teams. Although most of the powerful coaches and DOC do the same everywhere. I would expect him to be named girls DOC. He took the 99/00 team at U13 when he thought they were going to be good and then kids left for PF leaving him with a weak team so he gave them to NH and they were lost. This year the 00 team was supposed to go to TH, not sure what happened there, but the MH stepped in because he had the 00/01 before anyway after he swapped out the 99/00. Wonder if he's still in the picture for PAC next year. He's obviously tied into the USSF as the MTC guy for the EPA area. I would expect MH to take at least one of the older DA teams if not both. I can't remember for sure but I think AR brought the 02/01 up through U-littles. He is a phenomenal U-little coach. PAC has good bones. With a little fleshing out could easily dominate Central PA. Expect the Harrisburg clubs to consider some partnerships to stay relevant beyond u-littles.PF 01 coach is a good guy. A teacher and well trained. He does wear his favorites on his sleeve and that is his weakness. He is an outstanding trainer. One of the best.
EPA and CPA are blessed to have such great options for the most talented girls now and in the future. I suspect that CPA will be relieved to be able to stay out of the Philly traffic.
11;15Heard similar things from an ex-PAC parent whose daughter went to PFThere have been a few other unplanned coaching changes, not sure what happened. I also heard birth year changes were not kind to the club.If TH is still involved, one would think this would attract players.
There will no longer be a reason for Central PA players to travel to Penn fusion now that the DA is there. Equal ground with the exposure now being at the same level and PA classics has some very good coaches, MH being just one.
Certainly should catch the attention of the my kid should be at YNT camp crowd. But in all reality the USSF definitely has its eye on PAC as the "birthplace" of Pulisic. Would think a special player coming out of that club would have an edge with the feds.
for a player searching perhaps but I don't see an existing pf player returning "home" if established at pf with good standing. That is not player 16-24 on the roster....
Uh..travel expense, travel time which affects school work/studying, extra time away from family...Would make a difference to me if there was a DA 10-30 minutes away compared to 1-2 hours away!
12:47 - That's what my daughter says, and it is her decision. She says that she does not want to spend her life in the car, even if it means playing for a so-called "lesser" club. The player needs to buy into and own the process, not the parent. The parent guides, the player decides.
12:57Existing top PF player or not? Makes a diffOther wise i agree
Exactly and it won't be any "lesser" of a club starting this year. ECNL member importance goes out the window as it now becomes all about DA.
Well not necessarily. Some of us driving our kids, paying for gas etc and/ or trending academic performance and teenaged angst may decide for them if travel 1-2 hours is not feasible for the family or child. Even assuming they want the further option.
1:05So I have a Plymouth Cruiser and just put a Porsche logo on it. Is it now a Porsche? Just slapping a DA emblem on a club is the beginning...ECNL label has been leader for girls side, not just fading away
Keep hoping that's true. ECNL is the new NPL face it.
1:10 - well if ECNL is going to limit those that will have both, then, yes. ECNL will be the inferior product, overall. Then, again, this is if those rumors are true, another league may become the 2nd tier as the clubs with a GDA and no ECNL will participate heavily in USYS & NPL.
5:48 - Most of the teams with a GDA also have an ECNL team. I don't see USYS being a player since none of the GDA clubs have teams besides PDA Shore. Super Y -the big joke on this blog might get a boost - it's club neutral played during the summer has both Spirit clubs plus PWSI part of the VDA.I'm still shocked Oakwood and Cedar Stars have not left NPL - maybe still waiting on ECNL entry?Which leaves PAC - a club that doesn't play regional or national on the girls side this year at u16, which should tell you everything you need to know about how much they believe in their kids at least they do big tournaments.I really can see Super Y stepping up- just go to their page and the girls holding the trophy has an ECNL logo on her jersey.GIRLS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (NY/NJ/PA/CT/MA/MD/VA) CLUB DIRECTORY 2017-2018ECNL - D21. Boston Breakers Academy Watertown, MA2. East Meadow SC Bellmore, N.Y.3. Empire United Soccer Academy West Henrietta, N.Y.4. FC Fury NY Bay Shore, N.Y.5. FC Stars Acton, Mass.6. FC Virginia Chantilly, Va.7. Penn Fusion Soccer Academy West Chester, Penn.8. Sky Blue - PDA Bernardsville, N.J.9. Western New York Flash Academy Elma, N.Y.10. World Class FC Orangeburg, N.Y.NPL - D31. Cedar Stars Academy - Monmouth Tinton Falls, N.J.2. Oakwood Soccer Club Glastonbury, Conn.Super Y - D2???1. Washington Spirit Academy Maryland Boyds. MD.2. Washington Spirit Academy Virginia Fairfax, Va.3. Virginia Development Academy Woodbridge, VA. No regional or national league1. PA Classics Manheim, Penn.
Most DA clubs will be leaving ECNL. Neither league wants teams in both. Cedar stars better not let DM anywhere near the DA team.
The GDA might be watered down. The best players are usually elite all round athletes who usually compete in multiple sports . Might be hard to convince them to give all that up .
7:16 - what does it take to register for some of these leagues? USYS/NPL, etc. they can compete for state cups, then.
8:10 - part of the choices kids will have to make. Not everyone will go to GDA. However, some realize that if soccer is their #1 sport for development, the time has arrived to make the decision. Part of the maturity process.
11:49 - your coach can sign you up for any USYS league and they all build up just like the NCS state cup towards the National Championships in TX.For US Club's NPL the club needs to enter and field teams at different ages. Teams can play US Club State Cup or US Club Regional Tournaments as they are pay to play to qualify for their National Cup.Depends on your club and coach what the vision for the team is. maybe it's just Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson and Delco/PDA.11:55 I agree choices will need to be made dual sport HS stars or follow the soccer dream where ever it may end College/Pro (NWSL or UEFA)/NT. There was a girl that just recently left college to play pro in Europe. Choices to be made.
Will be quite the ride, we have faith in our club and hope this will be a turning point for the girls. The boys side has done very well and it's time to invest in the girls. PAC parent
Interesting article about the troubles Washington Spirit is having setting up a DA in Northern Virginia.http://www.blackandredunited.com/youth-development...-loudoun-arlington-soccer-nwsl
Interesting article ... Hummer reiterated that the Spirit are “absolutely fielding a DA [team] and believe it will be very strong with many top youth international players.” Bringing International players over to play in the US DA is interesting.
BRYC choosing ecnl over DA, interesting.Seems like the battle is on with USSF
The Wash Spirit Virginia DA appears to be in complete disarray. Rumors of few, if any, kids showing up for the ID clinics, uncertainty regarding who the coaches will be or where practices will be held, high cost estimates (likely b/c they included travel). Spirit will end up associating with second (or third) tier programs. Not to mention DA competition from FCV and VDA, both of which will draw players from the same area. For now, in the DC area at least, it looks like ECNL will be the safer option for most players, as BRYC has a very strong track record of developing players, and McLean and Bethesda both will continue to have strong programs with established coaches.
A lot of good clubs in the Nova area, and Wash Spirit appears to have an affiliation with none of them. I can't see these starting off well at least. Maybe over time kids move for the DA.This article is also the first time I've seen in writing that a club (FC Virginia) had to make the DA vs ECNL choice. There has been a lot of talk about it, but this is the first I've seen it confirmed.
OK enough is enough the USSF GDA has been stating the girls development academy is to help develop homegrown players here in the U.S. Its good they are putting a emphasis on development but hearing of GDA clubs inviting international players is observed. Sorry that is totally out of line now, yes my daughter wants to play GDA she is currently is on a ECNL squad but in my opinion if a foreign player is subject of a roster spot and fully paid for this is not development just plain ignorance. This not political but I do like to preach take care of our own first USSF.
Make DA great again! :)You may be overthinking the "international" thingWhat's immigrant population like around there?
I'm not over thinking it. Curiosity set it when they mentioned international and I looked up plenty of boy's DA rosters and yes there are international players on many of them. To my point USSF is setting the GDA or Boy DA to make soccer in America better but invite foreign players on roster thus taking away a roster from a potential player in the U.S. to me that makes no sense. Not sure if others agree with me but I'll petition a walk on USSF offices for that. LOL
I'm with you! Is there a Starbucks close by we can trash?
Immigrant population in "The DMV" is huge, but from a cultural perspective, the girls do not participate in soccer at near the levels the boys do. This may change over time, but is not happening yet. Also, "international" players may be sourced from the many private schools in the area, and children of diplomats and diplomatic staff. What I would like to know, and have not seen anything mentioned about is how Evergreen FC factors into the equation because it is run somewhat like a DA is run. Anybody know much about Evergreen's future plans?
Isn't Evergreen mostly summer?
Evergreen FC is not a factor in anything, other than the fact that they have a turf field complex.
I think by "international" they meant players who have represented the USA in YNT competition (capped players). Th 01 RU u17 WC debacle kid who I think lives in MD, was at the ID session.
The "international" comment seemed to be referring to the VA side of Spirit's DA. Although that kid lives in MD and currently plays in VA, the location of the Spirit DA doesn't make sense for her geographically. Are you saying she was at the MD or VA Spirit ID session?
2/7 @10:19 - aren't those clubs USYS ? How many USYS clubs were granted DA's? Isn't it mostly ECNL, a few USYS and a few NPL?
2/8 - @ 7:23 - thank you for the update.
Is Classics holding ID dates?
435 the location of the Spirit Da makes a lot more sense for her geographically than does Richmond, no? yes there.
http://www.paclassics.orgTryout dates posted
Thank youThought they were having separate id days before that
You must email SK
I will againHave not heardPerhaps my daughter not good enough :)
Word is outsiders have been attending MH training sessions.
He's 02 coach according to website correct?My daughter's is 01.
More on Washington Spirit Virginia:http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/washington-spirit-partners-with-reston-soccer-finds-home-base-for-girls-da/?loc=pswLooks like Spirit has been rejected by all of the top clubs in Northern Virginia and is reduced to teaming up with an essentially community travel club in order to get field space. Look for Spirit VA to be the weakest of the three northern Virginia DAs, and one of the weakest overall.Meanwhile, hearing rumors that lots of FCV players, at least in the older age groups, would prefer to stick with ECNL and are already starting to reach out to BRYC and McLean.
Spirit will still attract the players that want da
MH is the 00 coach and the 01 and 00 kids are being invited to his Sunday sessions
Spirit VA may attract a few top players whose parents are just interested in getting the most "prestigious" patch on their daughter's uniform, but the smart players will stay far away from Spirit VA. First, there are 2 other DAs that practice within 30 mins of Reston that will offer known coaches and already have some (VDA) or many (FCV) quality players. Second, there will be competition from 2 ECNL clubs that will be as good or better than the other 2 DA clubs in terms of coaching and quality players. So Spirit DA will be at best the fifth best club in northern Virginia. Why would any parent who is really concerned about their child's best interests sign their child up to (1) be subject to unknown quality coaching, (2) with practices against poorer quality players (3) to play against an unknown quality of competition (4) at a higher cost (5) which may or may not result in her being seen by more colleges?In NOVA, the only reason to join Spirit DA is if your kid isn't good enough for one of the other DA or ECNL programs, and you want a chance to brag about how your kid plays on a top team. Of course, she'll be on the very worst of the top teams, but your buddies around the water cooler probably won't know what a joke Spirit DA really is.
11:40 I will play along - not from VA.So you are telling me 3 GDA teams within 30 miles, correct.Approx 60 roster spots for 02/01 players.Approx 30 FREE roster spots (10 per team)So you want players 21-30 to play for the other 2 GDA teams and pay full price when they can play for free? You can call it a "prestigious" patch but for the players not paying it's a little more. Plus for the players that want to turn pro some day - inside with the Spirit coaches might be a plus? no?At this age it's all about the platform and exposure a good player can be spotted regardless. They might practive vs poor quality players but they play their games vs PDA/STARS/BREAKERS/OAKWOOD to name a few from region 1 that will field great teams.You can call it bragging I would call it $2k+ in their wallets.
How dense are you? Nobody plays for free. At their ID sessions, Spirit DA is quoting a price tag of $7k, including travel. Do you really think a organization that can barely break even as it is can afford to pay full freight for 100+ kids per year (Spirit also has a MD academy).Now try again but this time bring a legitimate argument, not something based on a complete misrepresentation of what is actually going to happen.
7 K inc. travel?Not too bad
***Stay Away from PDA! ** Splash - until The Beard is replaced. Worst coach in soccer. Has no clue what he's doing.
Everyone hates a coach when you lose. Everyone loves a coach when you win. When Splash starts winning those negative posts will stop.
It'll stop as soon as the PDA GDA soccer tryouts are over this weekend.
Playing along as well. Sounds to me like someone with a grudge against Spirit DA or someone not wanting some key players from kids' ECNL team to leave for GDA. They have very good coaches, great facilities. Great start already.
Geared toward 11:40 am reference.
No matter where your daughter is trying out for DA, it comes down to evaluators and decision-makers. An existing "top" player should have a leg up. Or an evaluator has a list of existing players that are "bubble", looking for replacements. I don't think these tryouts will be any different than any others.Bashing clubs to keep people away from tryouts is ultimately lame....
Chiming in - agree with you but it happens. People are very territorial.
PDA tryouts or ID for outsiders?A bit early for tryouts no?
Splash won't start winning until that loser the Beard, brings in new players. He has already been recruiting. He's a loser!
And that's because JB can't coach. The girls he has are fine. He's the reason they are losing!
So if they play DA they don't have to worry about him.
I agree 11:33 - If the team is going to lose at least 10 players for the GDA team - bringing in new players is a sign the NPL teams don't have 10 replacements. So if the kids play GDA they are fine if they are not good enough and play ECNL then they will make their own opinions of the coach. PDA's Pyramid am I correctSky Blue - PDA 20 players (10/10 between 02'sand 01's) or could be more than 20.Two ECNL teams - 2002 to use NPL players and 2001 to use NPL players.NPL teams might fold as I am sure PDA will try to get two ECNL teams in each age group.What happens to the NPL Clubs not in the ECNL? Do they still think this is the way to go? or do they go back to USYS Regional and National league?For example Massapequa, NYSC, Manhattan, NJ Crush, STA, NJ Stallions, SJEB, NJ Wildcats, LVU to name a few.or does the ECNL adopt the Boys ECNL model where they take NPL champions?GDA - very simple approx 80 clubs for girls and 160 for Boys - I can see the girls number increasing. TOP of the PYRAMIDLevel 2 - very good college recruiting levelECNL - US ClubNCS/National League - USYSlevel 3NPL - Us ClubRegional Leagues - USYSlevel 4Other Regional Leagues CCL, NEP, EDP to name a few from both US Club and USYSWe saw BYC this season - and next year the Pyramid power play as parents look to put their kids in the best situation for their family.Just a shame this didn't happen when our kids were u10.
Blah blah blahhhYou don't know diddly
hey 8:48 - 1:41 here - you got that right pal. Just a goomba with a girl that loves this game.
How were tryout numbers at various clubs in the region this past weekend?
strong...........I wonder who attended multiple sessions - or if players are throwing all eggs in one basket, so to speak
PDA did a nice job keeping the turnout small
PDA Splash team is one of 3 in top bracket at Jeff Cup. Being from NJ I would want to be in one of those 3. Top bracket, Jeff Cup at U16! That is pretty awesome.
Yes, indeedHope they continue to represent NJ well.How many of them will be playing Academy?
Judging by numbers over the weekend, they will be all be rostered DA
HmmmmmmmI am very certain that someone in a prior post said Baltimore Armour wouldn't have GDA and that players in the Baltimore would come to Central PA.....maybe the left over players..-The Washington Spirit has added Baltimore Armour as a U.S. Soccer Girls’ Development Academy partner for the state of Maryland, which will now be called “Washington Spirit Baltimore Armour.” This partnership adds to the relationship already in place with Montgomery Soccer Incorporated (MSI), creating a direct “path to the pros” for over 11,000 female players in one of the nation’s top soccer player development markets.“When we began the process of creating a U.S. Soccer Development Academy, this Spirit Baltimore Armour partnership was our optimal vision to add to MSI,” said Washington Spirit professional team head coach and Academy technical director Jim Gabarra. “The commitment this partnership represents will provide a platform to develop world class players and coaches here in Maryland.”Baltimore Armour was created in early 2015 through a partnership between Soccer Association of Columbia (SAC) and Pipeline Soccer Club (Pipeline) and currently boasts one of the top U.S. Soccer Boys’ Development Academies in the nation. By partnering with the Washington Spirit, Baltimore Armour is now directly connected to a professional club in the top female league in the world, the National Women’s Soccer League.“This is a monumental day for girls soccer in Maryland,” said Pipeline Soccer Club co-founder and vice president, as well as former U.S. National Team and D.C. United star Santino Quaranta. “The staff at Baltimore Armour are thrilled to work with the Washington Spirit and build a world class academy.”Washington Spirit Baltimore Armour will be managed overall by Spirit 1st Assistant Coach Denise Reddy, who will be naming the full coaching staff in the coming weeks. With Reddy at the helm, players involved in the Development Academy will have unprecedented access to learn from and impress someone who not only knows what it takes to succeed as female professional players, but someone who can provide them with that opportunity directly when the time comes.The clubs will announce the first opportunity for female players born from 1999-2005 to show off their talent later this week. Teams will be formed in the 19 and under, 17 and under, 15 and under, and 14 and under age groups, with exceptionally talented players born in 2005 also considered for the 14 and under team. Additionally, travel soccer players on teams at SAC, Pipeline, and MSI as of the fall 2017 season, will be eligible to participate in Development Academy activities and a limited number of games as “Developmental Players.”
Jeff Cup schedules are outhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?eventid=53446
Top bracket will be exciting to watch!! Anyone of the teams has equal shot at coming out on top
So how exactly will PDA get 2 ECNL teams???? Why wouldn't they move the Hornets to ECNL and leave South team at NPL and maybe move Shore to NPL?
How did they get two NPL teams? Stars could of had 3 NPL teams!I don't think Hornets would be ECNL - I think South makes more sense since the GDA is North, Shore is in the USYS Regional with national league on the horizon since they will get the nod for any open spot if they don't qualify directly.North - GDASouth - ECNLShore - USYSNorth - NPL
Sky Blue PDA - approx 10 players from Splash.Splash ECNL - will need 10 players from Hornets/SouthHornets NPL - will need 5 playersSouth NPL - will need 5 playersSo we read Splash looking at 6 players (as reported on this board) could be to determine where they stack up with NPL players before tryouts in regards to spots on Splash.
The North definitely has a larger pool of girls to choose from. With their location they could pull girls from north and south Jersey.
If there is still a half a team of ECNL players that are all from the north area, I doubt they would uproot those girls and force them to travel to the south complex.
Seems there are mergers every week lately, in preparation for GDA
10:37Do you care to share whose merging?
Regarding the mergers... our DOC said that both World Class and East Meadow will be outsourcing their GDA's. This allows them to keep ECNL.The rumors are that: NYCFC will run East Meadow's GDA.Not sure who World Class is teaming up with?
Is that allowable? Sounds shady. Why bother applying for GDA then?
NYCFC has now been tied to East Meadow and to World ClassAnd you dont think there is any MONEY in this?
PDA so weak at this age,they to look some where else for players
3 kids committed high D1 already, 2 as freshmen. Thats just the ones I am aware of.Yeah, weak group.
PDA was very busy recruiting players last spring and over the fall and winter. Don't worry about them not having enough talent. There are players at practices all the time looking to get on the team!
Presentation from FC Virginia townhall:https://sports.bluesombrero.com/Portals/6404/docs/...hall_Final%202_15_17%20re2.pdf First part is club specific info but last section is on DA. FCV says they have meet criteria to have both DA and ECNL but haven't received word back from ECNL if they'll be allowed to have both. Consensus around northern Virginia is they will NOT have ECNL. Most other stuff is generic DA info. Estimated cost is $2750/year plus travel, which they think will be less than ECNL travel costs.TIFWIW
I forgot, they also have hired Julie Shackford, former Princeton women's coach, to work in the DA.While their tryouts are just starting, FCV is much further in organization than Spirit VA.
Any word on how Penn Fusion will be handling Girls DA and ECNL? are they dropping ECNL and going GDA only next year.
I thought the DA was free like the boys side, just travel exp? What will PDA & CSA be charging?
It's cheaper than our ECNL fees, currently. Win, win.
Penn Fusion will have GDA. The ECNL told PF they are no longer in the ECNL after this year.
6:23 If you are top of the roster player it will be free. Approx 10 roster spots per club will be free everyone else pays.The Boys DA is not a free ride for all yet, noway the GDA can be.
12:14 - PF told ECNL they were going GDA as they want to continue to be in the top of the pyramid. They want their players to be ready for the next level and beyond. Exciting times for sure.
Most of the membership at PF, along with 2 of the PF ECNL coaches are not happy about GDA. Those that think it is exciting times don't seem to understand what is coming. GDA at a NWSL makes sense, so guess we will see what happens here.Having 30 girls on a GDA roster, most coming from the existing PF NPL and ECNL teams won’t make for a great experience for the kids. Kids want to play in games and there simply won’t be enough games to play for all the players. Especially when a significant amount of the players on the roster won’t be able to play at the GDA level, but the club will have to keep the player pool high for a number of reasons, player quality not being one of them. The best kids will be fine; the problem will be that there aren’t enough top level kids for consistency and that means players won’t get playing time. Also, not all the good girls want to play GDA and give up on high school soccer.We were told about 30 players per team, 18 being able to dress and then having limited subs because of the substitution rules will make for some very unhappy parents and players. Parents are also disappointed that there doesn’t seem to be a quality option outside of GDA. Not all of the girls even want to do GDA. After losing the ECNL option people have some difficult choices to make.
Okay - we got the GDA vs ECNL thing down.How about NPL leagues with club "A" teams. What happens to NYCSL or EDP NPL? Do these apply for ECNL or leave NPL like Massapequa is going to do. With NPL being relegated below GDA and ECNL these clubs/teams are crazy if they don't switch back to USYS. USYS is set up with pro/rel in many ways.Regional League >>> National League >>> USYS ChampionshipsState Cup >>> Regional Championships >>> USYS Championshipstwo ways to ge to their National Championship which many say will be equal to ECNL Championships. oh the drama
For female players that want to play in college, ECNL and GDA will be the two best ways to get there. The other options will continue to be the path for kids that don't want to play college soccer or are just looking to play D-III. Perhaps some might want to go back to the days of USYS of having to travel to Barboursville, WV or Rhode Island to play on dirt fields against rec level teams from Vermont, New Hampshire, Western NY and West Virginia, but those that have had the chance to play in the ECNL or DA are not going back to USYS. There is a massive difference between the quality of ECNL and USYS. Even the boys are pulling out of USYS to do boys ECNL. USYS will continue to be for lower level participation based soccer and not competitive soccer.
3:39 Jefferson Cup is split 50/50 between USYS National league and ECNL teams. Yup they are not equal.USYS NATIONAL LEAGUE1. 1776 UNITED FC XTREME2. BRYC ELITE ACADEMY 01/023. CINCINNATI UNITED CUP 01 GOLD4. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 5. SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY6. SOUTH SHORE SELECT U16 AP7. TOTAL FA TFA ELITE 018. UNITED FUTBOL ACADEMY1. ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL2. BETHESDA SC ECNL UNION 01 3. CASL 01 GIRLS ECNL 4. FC VIRGINIA ECNL 015. MCLEAN YS 01 GIRLS ECNL 6. PDA SPLASH 2001 ECNL7. PENN FUSION SA ECNL 20018. RICHMOND UNITED 01 ECNL--------------------------------------ECNL teams not in top flightCONNECTICUT FC ECNL U16 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL EAST MEADOW SC 01 ECNL USYS Regional 1 Championships in VA not WVYup instead they play CFC Delco, FC Bucks, WNY Flash My kid played u14 last year and these teams wouldn't stand a chance vs my kid's team but it'snot about team any longer it's about the players and being in the top flights. correct?Again my question is about NPL Clubs not in ECNL Manhattan, Massapequa, NJ Crush, NJ wildcats, NJ Stallions, SJEB.in VA/MD the top CCL teams play USYS NCS.Will these teams continue the US club route or are you saying all the players on these teams should go to the 5 ECNL teams in those 2 states? Wow that would be a huge roster.Again do these teams stay NPL (US Club) or do they start leaving NYCSL to join LIJSL or EDP to play NCS and region 1 league?PS. Region 1 league plays 6 games at two tournaments and a few local games, not the old USYS you remember.
GDA and ECNL at the top. Region I League and NPL are below, Different standards that won't change.
Was at the indoor state cup last night and saw some good soccer played by some very talented young ladies. Competition seem to be about even with 1 or 2 teams really standing out. However there was 1 coach whose team and name I will not mention that acted like a complete jackass. Please explain how screaming at your players with vitriol and anger make them better!
Some NPL teams may be ADDED to ECNL
No NPL teams will be added, the league has added clubs, some of which may be NPL programs to replace the ECNL clubs that left for the GDA.
I dont think the ECNL landscape is quite set yet for September
2:37 - I am a member of PF and I disagree with your comments. Many of us, including the kids and the coaches are excited. Those that aren't happy will move. And, those slots will be filled immediately.
Saw your post 2:37 - and agree with the above poster. I am not a member. Your assessment as to who will be filling the Penn Fusion GDA slots is incorrect also. The presentation noted that the best players will be there whether those players are PF or not. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Enjoy your drink.
2:37 - oh you apparently were not at the meeting, 22 per roster.
12:21am is it true PF will be rotating the 6 players from their Pre academy into the Academy roster?
I was at meeting and heard that they will have up to 4 development players (not necessarily) that will practice, but are not on the roster. They may earn a roster spot based on development, but not a guarantee.
6:25 what do these clubs do from the NYCSL NPL? As you said they are now tier 3 and can't play in GDA or ECNL the only way they can get into National league is by playing Region1 or NCS and both are USYS not US Club so they don't have the passes. What now for them? NPL is like the President's Cup on the USYS side. The Regional Championships, USYS NAtional League/NCS Championships still get the coaches so to call them a step below is not true.What do these clubs do? Stay tier 3 NPL or do they move to USYS side since they can't move to ECNL?Brentwood Youth Soccer Club NPL-01Manhattan Soccer Club NPL-01Massapequa Soccer Club NPL-01New York Soccer Club NPL-01NJ Crush FC NPL-01NJ Stallions Academy NPL-01Princeton SA NPL-01Quickstrike FC NPL-01STA NPL-01SUSA FC NPL-01We will see what the NJ NPL teams do once the NJ NCS teams are announced. I am willing to bet all are playing.ALLEYCATS 2001G NPLCEDAR STARS ACADEMY - MONMOUTH 2001 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 01G EDP NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL TSF ACADEMY 2001G BETHESDA SC STORM 01 MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01G NPL NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS WHITEPIPELINE SC BLACK SAC PREMIER BLUESJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS PREMIER WHITE so while 6;25 is saying "GDA and ECNL at the top. Region I League and NPL are below, Different standards that won't change." THREE region1 teams in top flight at Jefferson Cup over Three ECNL teams,something doesn't add up 6:25PS. Let'sget one thing straight GDA is the top of the Pyramid ECNL is tier 2just like USYS National League / NCS. There will always be teams like PA Strikers that can't play ECNL or GDA and are equal to them in talent so the alternate is USYS National league for those teams
Heard PA Strikers are moving the team over to an ECNL club for the 2017-18 season.
They are coming late to the party. Why play the 2nd tier?
Love what STA is doing to get their teams college exposure!
Please share what STA is doing. The comment is very random. Would like to hear what they are doing differently than other clubs.
??? Isn't everyone? That's the name of the game. These kids aren't playing just for fun, sadly. It's about getting looks to play in college or beyond.
So PA Strikers won't be free anymore?
Where have you been? They haven't been free in at least a year.
WOW - thanks 11:23 didn't know that.
While you guys go back and forth GDA vs ECNL, I am going to start talking about something really taboo, results in the now 2016/2017. Starting off with the current top of the pyramid which looks like this going into the spring.Champions League QualifiersMcLean Youth Soccer ECNL U16 [2.69]Penn Fusion SA ECNL U16 [2.50]FC Virginia ECNL U16 [1.79]Bethesda SC ECNL U16 [1.64]FC Bucks ECNL U16 [1.50]East Meadow SC ECNL U16 [1.17]Connecticut FC ECNL U16 [1.00]Albertson Fury ECNL U16 [1.00]Champions League Wild Card QualifiersMaryland United FC ECNL U16 [1.89]North American Cup QualifiersBoston Breakers Academy ECNL U16 [2.33]FC Stars of Massachusetts ECNL U16 [2.33]Continental FC ECNL U16 [2.00]World Class FC ECNL U16 [1.33]FSA FC ECNL U16 [1.33]Showcase QualifiersRichmond United ECNL U16 [1.16]Not Qualified - Post SeasonWNY Flash Academy - ECNL U16 [0.80]PDA ECNL U16 [0.67]FC Boston Scorpions ECNL U16 [0.33]Match Fit Academy ECNL U16 [0.00]
Thanks 5:40 - - a lot of these teams have played zero to 3 games...
Which ECNL club? I am guessing CFC for Strikers. Makes sense there is no compeition in the USYSA world. Their model, great as it was, is anachronistic. Sorry their daddy warbucks stopped infusing his money into it. It was a great thing with parents having zero influence. Coach's dreamworld.
How many of the Strikers will play DA?May suck up some of the 30% scholarship money
@ 6:30 pm - i'm surprised they didn't make a move long before this upcoming spring season. As someone already posted, they are late to the party. Many of the top players across the country have moved out of various USYS teams, already.
11:15 - possibly. Many clubs will most likely reward the kids that helped them earn the emblem. The top players that can go anywhere and improve a team.
At this point I doubt you will see any kids from 1999-2001 FC Bucks, CFC and PA Strikers move to DA. It just isn't worth leaving high school soccer now as most of the DA level players are set with college. The most movement will happen with 2002 players and younger. The 2003 players won't have an understanding of high school soccer so it won't be an issue with making the DA commitment.
9:05 - You probably didn't think the GDA was going to happen this year, either.
If daughter is "committed", then ask future college coach where they recommend she plays. End of story!They'll want the highest level possible. Yes, my daughter asked. And no, HS was not included in the answer.
Our daughter is going to a program that was in the 2016 Final Four this year. He said to stay where we are because the coaching is better at our ECNL program. He also thinks the GDA is going to be a bust. If moving to the GDA was going to be a better option we would move, but at this point it won't. It is good people have options.
YupCheck with future coach and go with it
10:25 - well I know kids that were supposed to go to the futsal finals as well and passed because it doesn't matter. Those kids are doing GDA. It's whatever you want to get out of it.
whoops, wrong blog. Erase, erase. Thought I was on futsal blog.
I'll play along...they played futsal and skipped finals for no good reason?Went to chuck e cheese instead?
Hi 10:25 - interesting, but I am not sure I follow. She "is" going or "was" going? And, were you leaving to go from one ECNL to another ECNL? And you are saying the ECNL coach from the team you were looking to join said don't join because the coaching at the team you were looking to leave is better (you must not have agreed if you were looking to leave)? Many holes in this one it seems.
I beleive the poster was talking about his daugher's college commitment, not one ecnl to another
My gal is going to a school that probably would have been in final four if they had their full roster (kids were at WCups) and her coach said to do GDA. Options.
Then that rules out UNC. He wasn't too happy about the whole red shirt season....
Can't name a school that liked it; unless their girls didn't opt in like Stanford. Not much they can do when it's an international sport and the FIFA WC's happen to fall during your college season. They do try to plan around it, but it's all about who gets called up.
Internationals coming in and playing 1-2 years NCAA is problematic.
Caveat no?Many on this board have aspirations for their daughters to play NT.then their daughter is in college and gets called up and that's a problem?Choices, choices....
When did PA take over this blog. I would like to say congratulations to South Jersey Elite barons. Great job knocking off DCFA.
Where's PA?Are you talking futsal?
Jeff Cup winners for top 3 divisionsSJEB RushOakwoodPAC
Thank You 10:48 - my top 2s and bottom 2s in every flightU16 Championship top 2:MCLEAN YS 01 GIRLS ECNLCINCINNATI UNITED CUP 01 GOBottom 2 UNITED FUTBOL ACADEMY UFA 01G PREMIERNJ STALLIONS ACADEMY --------------------------------------Elite Orangetop 2OAKWOOD SC ATTACKMARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNLBottom2ARLINGTON SA 2001 GIRLS REDPREMIER SC NAVY 2001--------------------------------------- Elite Blacktop 2CHARLOTTE SA 01 PREDATORGPS-MA NPL GIRLS 2001Bottom 2HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '01 --------------------------------------- Superior Orangetop 2VIRGINIA RUSH 01G WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITEbottom 2BEACHSIDE SC CTLOUDOUN SOCCER 01G RED --------------------------------------Superior Blacktop 2PDA SOUTH 01 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 2001 Bottom 2 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS PREMIER TRIANGLE FC ALLIANCE 01G------------------------------------- Platinum OrangeFC STARS NPL 01SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIERbottom 2JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC ------------------------------------Platinum Blacktop 2EMPIRE UNITED SA ROCHESTERFC STARS CENTRAL UNITED 01bottom 2RICHMOND KICKERS U16 G ELITEFSA FC GIRLS NPL 01-----------------------------------Classictop 2PENN FUSION SA NPL 2001RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS 'bottom 2 FC RICHMOND FCR MYSTX '01 TSF ACADEMY 2001G
Why is East Meadow in the 3rd flight?
BC their stats placed them there?
who are the idiots who schedule the games for the Jefferson Girls Showcase? Our team is coming from very far east and we have an early game on Friday and a late game on Sunday. Do the organizers give any thought to the amount of time the parents have to take from work and the kids from school? We have to take 2 days from work , the kids 2 days from school and by the time they get home Sunday, it could be 1 am. they then have to get up early for school Monday.Thanks for the consideration (NOT)
Sounds like your coach didn't give you a heads up? Is it your first trip to Jeff Cup?The early game Friday is why your team hotel booking starts Thursday night.The latest game is 2:40 Sunday right? Welcome to Jeff Cup!!
Jeff cup is awesome. Great fields, real bathrooms, and the best competition. Weather typically holds up, last year little rain, little cold, but not bad. Mild winter should help as well. Who knows with byc what is going on at jeff cup this year, many of those teams are changed.
8:52 - yeah, can be rough. A friend that is from a DI school on the west coast said it would burn him up when he coached youth that heading east to tourneys like Jeff Cup his club would get the early games first day and late games last day. He swore it was intentional. Is it? You would hope not, but.....
Word is that the $6-7k estimated cost for Washington Spirit Girls DA does NOT include travel. Because the academy has no existing teams to spread the infrastructure/administrative costs over (admin, fields, coaching, etc.), the DA girls will be paying all of those costs, so fee will be twice as much than the girls at the other local DAs with travel programs in place. Also Spirit was asking for major "contributions" for clubs to be an affiliate of the program to offset the costs but was offering very little in return.That's a far cry from the free ride for the players that many people on here foolishly believe was going to happen.
High level youth soccer is for affluent girls. This is not news.
many girls getting DA callbacks?
Our club, like many, have only held id for players outside club.Have only heard indirectly that some have been told to come back for general club tryouts
11:22 - i saw that on a comment in maybe it was this blog as far as cost for that club. No one gave it a yeah or nay. If you have any questions, i suggest you go to the source. The blogosphere isn't always correct. A lot of hype.
The cost is very subjective club to club. You have to ask the questions if you're uncertain. Many comments on the blog are not 100% fact for everyone...thank god by the way!
Or 100% fact, period. I find a lot of whisper down the lane with a keyboard.
Agreed. And some info shared may be intentionally misleading and some just silly gossip. Do your homework.
If DA clubs can get $6-7k a girls, why would clubs like MFA & others drop out? sounds like you can make some money at that range.I think it would be a good service if people post their club's (not just DA's) price not including travel so we can see which clubs are a true value.
I think travel is included in that 6-7k$3,000 Club Fee + $3,000 - $4,000 to include flights, Hotels for 10 to 15 nights plus gas and food?No way anybody pays $7,000 plus travel. PS. I think we always over estimate anyway.Look at ECNL for example.Fly to CA and FL plus play in NJ - so that's 2 flights and 4 nights minimum.Then they travel to MA, CT, NY & PA that's another 8 nights plus tolls and gas. $1,800 - 12 nights at $150 per night$2,400 - $400 per seat for a family of 3to get to CA and FL$2,500 - ECNL Club fee$6,700 - not including tolls, gas and food. So we can we leave travel out of the equation and talk just club fees so it's apples to apples.
Then 4 years of free school....sign me up....
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