Thursday, May 26, 2016

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Anonymous said...

He is 100% correct his son is enjoying his current time at CSA. That is all it is about. I doubt most of our kids will be pro players.

If the kids enjoy their time and the parents can somehow stomach a situation where they are not in control it is a win for all.

Anonymous said...

you're wrong when you say parents have no control. Some have a lot of control. If you don't realize that yet, you soon will. Like everything else in life, it's who you know and money talks.

Anonymous said...

He's wrong in thinking his son is developing. Who says he's developing...you?....NJCSA?

Let's just say he's having fun. Like any other kid in a town club team can say he's having fun.

The reality is NJCSA is the Tinton Fall, Holmdel, Colts Neck, and several other shore towns club team that gives there parents a sense of pride to say their kid plays for an academy. The might have paid the USSDA fees to be called an academy. Most kids at NJCSA don't receive the ball on the proper foot, they don't open up correctly, they can only use their dominate foot, etc. There is nothing wrong with that, the kid is having fun but don't think you can just say your kid is developing and make 100% claims and think you are fooling anyone but yourself. NJCSA doesn't develop players...they take parents money. Keep your eyes closed, parent influence is all over that club. You are probably one of them. In fact, I'll claim I'm 100% correct, LOL.

Anonymous said...

You are correct on the "club team" mock as long as the best kids go up to PDA and RB. If that changes....

Not convinced that the current set of CSA-M coaches will be poor developers. Agree that the prior set were. Agree that the level of player going to CSA-M is not as good as PDA, RB, so you will see more of the technical errors you mentioned.

Not much pride when you lose to other local club teams and by double digits to other academies. No one brags about that, so this view of the pompous, idiot NJCSA parent is misguided. Lack of options produce questionable decisions in hindsight.

The only local Monmouth County kids I know that are up at PDA, RB are from wealthy families. Great they can have mom and dad drop everything for their soccer hobby. The other, not so fortunate, families need to rely on the local clubs, and NJCSA/CSA-M always showed/shows the most "promise." All parents in the know are frustrated by the history, but are you better off at Tinton Falls, Colts Neck, Ocean, etc.? Not clubs legendary for their development...

Anonymous said...

So what are the predictions and rumors for the upcoming academy season. Anybody has anything?

Anonymous said...

As to Academy vs top level EDP, I've come full circle. My boys have done both. I pulled my kids from top level EDP, went to non-MLS Academy, and then went back. Here is what I've learned. Unless your son is one of the top 3-4 kids on an Academy roster and/or has some kind of "in", he's not going to get enough game minutes. 10 games in Fall and Spring plus two showcases with limited substitutions that do not match up with college rules (and most kids want to play in college - national team level kids are a minuscule percentage of Academy kids) Take a roster of 24-26 (if you include DPs) and do the math- your son is looking at 50% playing time in not so many games if he is a solid player on the roster. Not enough game minutes is the draw back. On the other hand, the four nights a week of Academy training is extremely beneficial. My kids are now at a top flight EDP club. While the rosters are also 22-24, the boys will play in at least 3 times as many games -- with more game minutes per game due to the substitution rules -- and play in the top bracket of good showcases where they will be seen by college coaches (and none of these are in Texas in Summer- who scheduled that? Haha). The level of play is comparable enough to work (some of the players are more athletic, but a bit less technical, than the Academy roster). In fact, I think their birth year EDP teams could beat their prior academy teams 3-4 out of 10 times, maybe more. The interesting thing to me is that these scrimmages never happen-- I think they would be beneficial for all involved (more game type minutes for Academy kids, Club kids confronted with a team that is deeper technically).

Anonymous said...

Btw. My math was wrong (forgot to add the Academy Spring games) .. It's roughly twice as many games with top EDP, not three times....

Anonymous said...

August 27, 9:34

Listen your math is way off, 3 or 4 players, come on. There are 11 starters plus 2 to 4 kids that always come off the bench. If you are one of the top 14 players you will definitely get some looks (just see how many kids have committed to college from each academy team). I was at an regular season academy game last spring and there were at least 7 college coaches watching the game, some were from very good soccer schools. I am sorry to say, but you are not going to get that at a regular season EDP game and by saying that, I am not trying to put EDP down, just stating the facts.

Also academy is not for everybody, no every family can make 3/4 days a week practice, and all the long east coast travel. Plus if your kid is playing academy he needs to stand out (have at least over 55% start percentage, be one of the 14), because you are competing against, National team players,US training center players, Coaches' favorites and etc...

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the reply, 9:34. You got me thinking, as my kids were in the top 14 (in the middle somewhere IMHO) but not in the top 3-4. I went back and took a peek at one of my kids' DA records and saw that start percentage was 50%. I also remember getting calls in the Spring about how my son couldn't start two different games because other kids needed to get to 25% start percentage. The dynamic I saw was 3-4 always play all the time, 3-4 almost never play, and everyone else kind of split time. As to college coaches at regular season games, I totally agree that Aacdemy kids will get more looks than top EDP in that venue. However, if your kid is not one of the top kids who is being chased by colleges and being offered one of those very rare full rides due to soccer, he needs to reach out to coaches, make contacts, create a dialogue, and hope they come watch him play. If it's convenient for them and they have interest, they will come. Hence, Potomac, Bethesda, etc can be very helpful for the good (but not great) player as they will get looks there if they are at a higher level. I've seen this dynamic in action this past summer - I saw a coach talk to a kid about how well he did at Potomac. Of course, that coach had also gone to Frisco to watch the DA. My point is that Academy is not the only path and, if your son loves to play and is at a lower D1 / D2 / top D3 level, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Now, academics, lifestyle, and driving are key components, too. My kids are good students - it's hard to do well in AP if you are driving 50 minutes each way to practice 4 nights a week. sometimes the kids forget that grades are key - look at how each recruiting questionnaire asks about GPA and SAT/ACT scores: unless you are Pele, they won't even look at you if you can't get into the school. While my older one was ok on this score, I asked a college coach (top D3 level) to talk to my second one (rising sophomore) about this - he liked him as a player but said if he didn't get his grades up, he can't even consider him. I LOVED that chat... Ok. Enough from me. Best of luck!

Anonymous said...

Why do academy teams have a 25% but EDP teams don't? My son's EDP team has the same starters every game no matter if it's a league game or a showcase event. I've seen a lot of players leave over the years due to limited play time. If a player makes the team, he's good enough to play in games.

Anonymous said...

EDP should consider a 25% start rule since they say they're a development league. Doesn't the "D" stand for development?

Anonymous said...

That 25% start rule is bullshit. Most Teams don't fallow that, just check the players stats online for each team. You will see teams that have 3 to 5 players under 25%.

Also most teams, whether it be a professional, college or Academy/EDP/High School tend to start the same lineup for most games. Teams only change their line up if a player is injured, has another commitment (national team duty), out due to suspension and etc...

On another note, good enough to make the team, does not mean good enough to start. Keep that in mind.

Anonymous said...

The comment, which I agree with, said that if a kid makes the team, he's good enough to play in games. HS and college teams are all about winning, Academy is not. If they're going to say it's about development over winning, show that by giving every player adequate play time. Why do you think it's acceptable to have a kid on an academy team who never plays?

Anonymous said...

Are we being gullible in here, if we believe Academy is all about development. Ask that to the coaches of the Red Bulls, Philly, PDA and etc... Do you think those coaches are going to play the number 18 guy on the roster for 40 minutes every other game.

It does not work like that, not here, not in Europe, not in South America. The only difference between US and over seas is that over seas they practice 5 days a week and also play in multiple leagues, tournaments and scrimmages so kids at the bottom may get more of a chance to play. But at the end of the day those academies all want to win.

At the end of the day players who are on an academy roster are considered the best 1% (for the most part) of kids playing soccer nationwide. So if your kid is part of that 1% he better be good enough to be one of the top 15 players on the roster so he can get a good amount of playing time.

Anonymous said...

I don't have any idea about youth academies in Latin America but I do Know about English youth academies. They are all about development. Playing time is monitored and recorded for each player to ensure sufficient playing time. There are no league standings or championship games until u17/18. Every youth academy is required to have medical staff and education and welfare officers who look out for children's best interests. Youth development is seen as an investment in the future. The youth coach even works with the child's school teachers to ensure good progress. Kids in English youth academies don't play in multiple leagues, their games are capped in order to prevent burnout.

Anonymous said...

And England has not won a World Cup since 1966 , has never won a Euro. So early development is great and have produced the likes of Paul Scholes- but what other English player maybe Alan Shearer- but England has really never had a world class player- Never- still does not. They have good players and are at a similar place as the US- I believe the US has better younger players than they do

Anonymous said...

Yeah, like the red bulls defender who signed with Chelsea but couldn't get playing time and was loaned out to a Dutch club. Then there was the kid who went to Germany hoping to find better player development. So many young US players dream of going to England where they can develop their game.

Anonymous said...

Face it England has not produced talent or results - the US is on the way up- plenty of US youth in Europe and doing well- the late 90's- early 2000's was England's moment and it did not happen. Real Salt Lake building new academy - youth academies in the US are building for the future- we will pass England with ease- they need to worry about Iceland

Anonymous said...

sorry to say but you're pretty ignorant if you believe England does not have excellent youth academies that develop talent. You should educate yourself on youth development. US academies may be improving but have a long way to go. The fact that US youth are playing and training overseas proves that they have better youth development.

Anonymous said...

The best players in the English Premier League are not English. The best coaches in the English Premier League are not English. England is and has been overated for decades. Love to watch the EPL. I know that England has a good academy system. They are producing some very good players at the Championship, League 1, 2 level that's all. The American System will be the way of the future. We are in the midst of a great movement- Wales,Iceland, Ireland are all better than England at the moment- sorry if you can't accept it- My grandmother was from Brighton and have relatives in Norwich area- but the reality is what it is.

On another note our DA team starts this weekend - hopefully the storm does not postpone the match- good luck, Not Pretty Ignorant

Anonymous said...

Many players from Iceland, Wales and Ireland have been developed at English academies. Especially Wales and Ireland.

Anonymous said...

I am new here and new to the NJ soccer world. My son is 2004 and played for Staten Island United (now part of Cedar Stars). Many members of the team have left and transferred to Cedar Stars Academy in Monmouth. My question is if I am going to drive at least an hour am I better off looking at PDA, World Class, Gottschee or stick with Cedar Stars? I have already paid a lot of money so this year may be locked in, but more for the future. Please rank each option and perhaps give the pros / cons of each. Thank you for your advice.

Anonymous said...

WC and BWG are not realistic from SI. Too far. PDA is good and close but competitive. Red Bulls?

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Anonymous said...

Sounds like you answered your own question - stay. If he's a great trainer that's all that matters in my book.

Your boy can always tryout elsewhere if you want to see how he measures up. But it is stressful and could work against a young man's psyche. Worth it?

There are a lot of SI kids playing in NJ. If you don't look at your monthly EZ Pass bill it's not that bad.

PDA has their kids fundraise and do a 24 hour soccer marathon. The minimal suggested fundraising amount was around $400. Then there is the golf outing and the awards dinner. Other clubs do this stuff too, or have you pay extra for indoor soccer, a futsal league, summer soccer, etc. You basically end up paying more than just the tuition price for these clubs so keep that in mind.

BTW groceries at a NJ Stop and Shop are cheaper than SI ones. You can try to recoup your Port Authority donations that way, along with the gas.

Anonymous said...

South Carolina DA suspends operations

http://www.scbatteryacademy.com/home/913785.html

Anonymous said...

Not a good opening weekend for NJCSA. Looks like more of the same for NJCSA. If more of this happens then there will be a parental mutiny over there. PDA u14 lost, the u16's lucky to come away with a tie, and the u18's got smoked.

Anonymous said...

Looks like PDA 18 played without a few pretty good players.

Anonymous said...

High school was much more important for some of them. Another example how its ok for some to do things whiles others can't continues at PDA. Heard the father of u14 player bragging on the sideline on Saturday that he was on scholarship while taking his family on a Caribbean vacation. Have had several children come up thru the club and the politics is unreal. The only people that would argue that point are ones that get the favors.

Nothing in NJ academies are going to change till the politics stop.

Anonymous said...

I was told that the only kids allowed to play in HS instead of on their academy team were kids that were getting scholarship money from private schools. Why is PDA allowing kids to play at public HS? Then they come back to academy after HS. Biased system.

Anonymous said...

September 6, 10:34

That is what the rule is supposed to be for, kids on scholarship at private schools. But PDA is applying the rule differently which they can. When you are considered the best players on the team, Coach's son, golden boys and etc... you will get these type of treatment. If I lived in the town of SP and my kid played for PDA I might want him to play high school this fall also. This is just the reality of Academy soccer in the NY Metro area. Keep in mind, this is not the first time PDA has done that, and I am sure they are not the only Academy that has pulled this card.

Anonymous said...

PDA 18 played without 3 top players (FWDs) - not the ones from SP who are young.

Anonymous said...

It's the u16 team that is allowing four players to leave academy to play at Scotch Plains HS. Then they come back to academy after HS. If those kids are allowed, why isn't everyone allowed? I guess there is a PDA coach who lives in Scotch Plains. One rule for some. Another rule for others. This youth soccer business is so bent.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, I was looking for break-up information on a youth soccer blog only yesterday!

Anonymous said...

12:11p.m.
There have been players in every DA academy in NJ that played HS in the fall and then rejoin as soon as the HS season is over. Why shouldn't they? - the 'no high school' rule is ridiculous , and not that old- the myth of 'development' or chance at playing for the national team is well understood by the players who choose high school. Consider several types of players who are juniors/seniors in high school.

The few - already have been at US nat'l team camps or residency program - have a real shot at playing pro - probably not going to play high school anyway

College committed players - especially seniors - their motivation to be 'seen' by college coaches is gone. If the high school program is decent (and a lot more are now compared to 10 years ago) then playing HS may help them get ready for the physicality of college ball

Uncommitted players - These are the ones who should stay in the academy if they think they can land a college spot

Players who know they do not want to play beyond HS/U18 - Why not play HS where they get playing time and the experience of 'Friday Night Lights'?

Of the 4 types of players only the ones still looking for college exposure 'need' to be in the DA.

I know putting a player's interests first is contrary to US Soccer dogma that the US national team will come from the DA but the players that fit that model who are high school age are already out of the high school game - Pulisic plays in Germany as a 17 year old. - and look at the U16-U20 rosters - large number of those are not even in the HS system- the point is that by high school age players are already identified as national team 'pool' players and US Soccer's need to have high school age players in the DA and NOT play high school is misguided. And they want to move this to the girls side too? c'mon

And if your kid can play high school, then go back to DA? good for them

Anonymous said...

Most of these academies make the players sign an agreement that they will not play or train anywhere else. Allowing some kids to play HS during the academy "contract" period seems like a decision by the academy to only hold certain players to that agreement. Obviously the better players have the clout to play HS and come back.

I really don't care one way or the other, but it does seem a bit a bit hypocritical. Just imagine your son getting good minutes, making progress, then the kid who left to play HS comes back and now your kid is on the bench. They should either scrap the rule or enforce it.

Anonymous said...

Other high schools should not schedule games with the SP and DElbys of the world
It's an unfair advantage as all the other high schools may have academy players that don't have this option

Anonymous said...

It doesn't really matter. It's not these academies best players. It's the academies most political tied in players. The best players are playing academy games in the fall so that is where my child will be.

Any predictions on this weeks games?

Anonymous said...

My son is 2003, and playing for Csa Newark. He just got accepted to Next Gen Monroe, can someone give me feedback on their program. If he goes, he will miss 1 of his regular practices, and I am not sure if it's worth it.

Anonymous said...

While playing with his local club team, my son had been participating in RB RDS winter and summer programs for a few years and has been invited to the NJYS YOP (w/o tryout) this winter and to also try-out for the RB Winter Showcase team.

He has since joined PDA and, as mentioned above, signed an agreement to not participate in outside training and play with other teams without permission, but he is not on an 'A' team or Academy roster.

I'd like for him to gain the additional experience and training from those programs but not at the risk of losing his place (if don't ask) or being denied (if do ask).

Have thought about asking his coach what he needs to improve on to raise his status to eventually move up to the 'A' and Academy teams, even before these opportunities, and, along with the Dir of Coaching, if there would be any issue with him receiving supplementary training and playing one-offs in the off-season through NJYS YOP and RDS...is that acceptable?

For non-Academy/A players, would imagine more freedom allowed outside the team but could just be wishful thinking. He is one of the better players (top 2-3) on his team, and fits in vs. A team players during scrimmages, but still needs work on key parts of his game to make any jump.

Appreciate guidance from anyone out there who may have went through a similar situation and how best to frame/handle...

Anonymous said...

September 16 1:51

Since he is not on an Academy team, I don't think they'll have problem. They obviously want the kid to get better. Now if you start to miss games and practices, that is another story.

Anonymous said...

I think you should get permission to play with RB. Isn't that what you agreed to?

Anonymous said...

Yes, think requesting permission is the correct route.

However, as his first season with PDA, it all seems a bit sudden, as the tryout for the RDS winter showcase is on Oct. 17 (would miss a training day) but the one-day training session and indoor tournament, if accepted by RDS, won't be until Feb or March 2017. Same with the NJYS YOP where the two training sessions are in mid-Feb and early March. No tournament or games as I know of unless gets selected to compete vs. RDS in a one-day reward situation. Seems quite soon to ask permission for something so far away, that may or may not happen...

Perhaps just register for both now, attend the RDS tryout, and then request permission in January for the YOP and RDS winter showcase if accepted?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, in the past, PDA has released players for doing these activities. I know its a great thrill for your child to be selected for these types of soccer opportunities but as your kid gets older you'll realize they mean nothing. I'm sure your goal is to have your child get better. The best thing your kid can do is dribble in the back yard, set up cones to work on technical skills, juggle to set new personal records, etc. They will release your child. You have to ask yourself if its worth it. You can ask after the fact but it's clearly stated in your welcome email. Sorry. Remember making an RDS showcase team means nothing! Honestly the training isn't as good as it once was.

Anonymous said...

If you know the right people at PDA, your son can train and play where ever he wants to but the rest are treated differently. Sad but true. If PDA does allow this, keep it quiet because other parents will be jealous.

Anonymous said...

It's impossible to keep it quiet. The soccer world is a small one.

Anonymous said...

Does PDA countersign the agreement that they won't bring in new players, or that they will offer other training/supplemental practice to advance the boy? Will they let him 'guest' on another team for a tournament? If you don't get a good answer, then go to whatever supplemental training you can find, if he is really good enough, or favored enough, he will be allowed to do both. In the past, kids who played club for PDA , made RDS showcase teams, but did it 'under cover.' Eventually were offered spots on RB academy teams. PDA does not want its players leaving for other opportunities because it loses some players every year to RBs. - the very stated purpose of YOP is literally advertised as-

"The Young Olympians Program, designed specifically for players born in 2004, is the next step for players preparing for the NJ Youth Soccer ODP. Players will be selected for the multi-session program after two initial tryout sessions. The Young Olympians program will focus on improving the player’s technical ability and tactical awareness while exposing players and parents to a US Youth Soccer and NJYS ODP environment. Since partnering with the Red Bulls in 2014, this program has also identified players for the Red Bulls’ Academy."

However, RB has a history of turnover on its teams so be honest with your motives for doing YOP/showcase teams. If you are hoping he will earn a spot on RB academy team be aware of that turnover. The ODP program has been a poor return on investment (at best) for many years or a money grab (at worst). Interestingly, RB also restricts what other programs their players can do - including no ODP.

I would register now, see how his playing time is during the Fall, then see if he makes the RDS/YOP programs, then seek permission.

Anonymous said...

Some of those kids that made RB were cut from PDA first. Others got cut from PDA and didn't make RB. ODP is a money grab and your kid won't get much from the training. The RDS showcase is just a practice and a small indoor tournament. As far as RDS training, it's not the same as years ago. The quality of the coaching staff has dropped and all they do is advertise that their academy players started at RDS but the reality is they might have done maybe one or two. Do the summer camp if you think you kid wants to looked at by the RDS staff. Be aware, although they say otherwise, the RDS staff has absolutely no say in who makes the academy.

My advice is have him do cone drills and dribbling during the PDA season. And if you feel it nessesary to buy into the RDS propaganda then do a camp at Golden goal. PDA can't do anything about your summer raining but they will cut your kid and keep your money during the season. They have done it to several players.

Anonymous said...

Very cool way to open the new CSA facilities last evening with a scrimmage vs Equador U20's. Place looks great and new begginings are very optimistic

Anonymous said...

Thanks all for the feedback. A lot of food for thought. PDA is a great place and don't want to disrupt his progress and perception there. He is doing ok and has an opportunity to compete against many good players in his age group which should allow him to see where he rates and needs to improve. On the other hand, don't want to close doors for other opportunities as never know what may arise down the road. Will see what happens this first season and take it from there. Agree the winter showcase at this time is not that big of a deal - though it was exciting for him to know he was selected to tryout.

Anonymous said...

TSF U12 looked terrible against cedar stars u12 yesterday. Cedar stars won both games easily

Anonymous said...

What about the csa older teams?

Anonymous said...

The u18 and U16 played PA Classic. U18s lost and U16 tied.

Anonymous said...

U14's beat Virginia Dev Academy- 3-1

Anonymous said...

Who the heck is the Virginia Development Academy? Virginia can't yield a competitive academy with what they have, now they dilute it with amother academy.

Anonymous said...

You have no clue what you are talking about. Virginia's only previous loss was to DC United. And DC United pounded Philly Union 5-0, so do the research. You know what don't do the research - I will keep you informed

Anonymous said...

Yes, keep us all informed on the nonsense of CSA soccer. Look at the results of DC United and Richmond United at the older ages...the ages where it matters. Stop being a stupid soccer parent.

Anonymous said...

There it is Mr American Soccer Parent- RESULTS - you are right in line with the rest. Results are great but those boys who were/are at those 2 Va academies are playing at UVA, VCU, American U, Wake Forest ( Harkes), and on and on. So yes you can say a certain NJ team sent 18 boys to college- that is great too. Bottom line is all the teams we are playing are very good and the results are just that results. Watching my kid play MetOval, Balt Armour, Va Dev Acad, etc- talent level is very similar on all teams and is really great soccer to witness- kids are developing and thriving in this environment. Really good things are happening- keep watching that scoreboard Mr Soccer

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. So you hawk the college rosters to see where what clubs the kids played at. What is your kid 8th grade or 9th? Are you already looking for that full ride to UVA or Stanford? Your poor kid. It must be tough having a father that is micro managing his development. Just let your kid play and stop making your rediculous arguements.

Your kid is at CSA. Why isn't he at RB or Union? That will ensure not only a top 25 college program but real money. Those 18 RB kids got no less then 1/2 rides to their schools and the balance from merit money. Not the case at other academies so you should get your kid to RB. Quickly!

Anonymous said...

I will let you know in 2 years where my son committed, good luck Mr Red Bull /Union is the only path guy.

Anonymous said...

You have a lot of faith in CSA. Your son is 14 and he's committing in 2 yrs? Good luck with that!

Anonymous said...

I didn't say it was the only path. But you are talking about development and college commitment when you kid is in 13/14 years old. I think the whole soccer world will say you are delusional and a bit crazy.

Tell us all, where were you (or shold I say your son) before the all magical CSA?


Anonymous said...

Talking about development at any age is far from delusional and/or crazy.

Anonymous said...

But you are not talking about development. You are talking about college commitment after your team won their first game of the season. Did you ever think your perspective of development is askew. Many of us think it's askew because you are shaking your pompoms so feverously for CSA when many of us know the truth.

We are all glad you guys won your first game. Hope you got your game schedule emailed to Coach Gunn. Stanford has been waiting for those 8th grade players at CSA.

Anonymous said...

With all the changes to ownership, facilities and staff, knowing the "truth" about CSA is a misnomer. You, as well as I, know the past. The present is still in flux and the future is TBA, but the needle is definitely pointing up.

Some mock this guy for talking about college so early. I also think is it odd to be so fixated on results as the only barometer of success, as so many do.

Anonymous said...

I agree, development isn't always measured in wins. But this guy kept talking on how great the u14 CSA team was with all the development with not even a month of preseason. (If you look at the coach, those in the soccer world long enough know this guy doesn't have a good track record regarding development. In fact, he was fired then rehired at CSA.) Then they win their first game of the season against VDA and he's talking about college commitments.

Anonymous said...

I haven't been in the soccer world a long time, so what are the names of the coaches (local or regionally) who have a good track record for development and why?

College commitments IMO don't necessarily have any thing to do with player development in most circumstances.

Anonymous said...

I see some discussion about RDS Showcase. My son made the showcase team at a pre-academy age. How good are those teams? Do many of those kids go on to make the full academy at 12 or 13? Do the winter showcase kids also play summer showcase? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

The RDS showcase teams tend to be very good talent wise. A group of their current 2005 RDS kids just traveled to Canada and did well. Some of these kids will probably make the academy team, most won't. RDS and the actual academy are not one in the same. RDS can make strong recommendations and give them a headstart for a tryout/trial but nothing is guaranteed.

BTW- most academies have their own methods of pooling and selecting talented players (I purposely did not use the word 'develop') including NYCFC and Philly Union.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that RDS does not develop players? They are not solely responsible foe a young player's development but they certainly add to it and it could be the first step to entering their academy.

Anonymous said...

Why does RDS have a 2005 team? Isn't that the same age as the U12 Red Bulls Academy team? Will RDS have a permanent 2006 or 2007 team next season?

Anonymous said...

The majority of all u12 Academy teams are predominately made up of 2004s, some 2005s, and a stray 2006 here and there. And since they play two small sided matches each weekend- the teams can divide the roster in anyway they please.


The Red Bulls RDS team is better described here - http://www.redbullsacademy.com/new-york-red-bulls-expand-youth-platform---launch-pre-academy-teams/

Anonymous said...

The RDS 2005 team is not an academy team, they are considered pre- academy. This year the U12 USSDA academy teams are actually 2004 birth years, with some 2005 kids playing up. Next year (2017-18) the USSDA will conform to the new birth year model. The U12 academy teams next year will be 2006 birth yrs. My son is an '05 who currently plays age up on a U12 academy team;next year his age group will be U13. Hope that makes sense. It really amounts to the fact development academy soccer is one year behind birth year changes.

Anonymous said...

Very helpful 4:19PM, thanks. So next year, USSDA Academy teams will start at U12 and be 2006s, right? I guess that also means some 2007 top kids will also go up to U12 academy, which is quite a jump up from playing 7v7 games now. Sounds like the true Academy programs will need to locate the best 2006s and 2007s to get their youngest academy teams off the ground running. I did not know those younger kids were so close to USSDA Academy age.

Anonymous said...

Yes that's correct @4:43. Since there are '05's playing up with '04's this year, I am sure there will be '07's playing up with the '06's too. It is a much faster pace, but the boys are playing small sided 9 v 9, 30 min halves. Also, the 2 team/2 game format per weekend is nice. All kids roster, all kids play. I know that will change I am sure at the U13 level.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I had no idea a kid as young as 10-11, born in 2007, could play US Academy Soccer next year (if they play only one year up). Academy starts much younger now than in the old days. I guess that is good.

Anonymous said...

The Red Bulls post all of their U14 games via you tube. They have not posted a certain game against Cedar Stars Monmouth, I wonder why? Red Bulls won 5-3, but I was there and everyone , I mean everyone saw that they were outplayed. Except for 2 goalie boo boo in the beginning CSA monmouth showed they are very much on the up and up, when the video arises - you view and make your own decision.

Anonymous said...

Red Bulls played Cedar Stars Monmouth down in Tinton Falls. Better question is did the home team tape the game and share it with RB to post? Another question is why doesn't CS Monmouth post all their games on YouTube so people can see the quality of the club and come to their own conclusions. It would benefit the players and teams to have a videos of their games for analysis and showcase purposes... if you are confident in your product.

Anonymous said...

We are still talking about this amazing u14 CSA team? THE one with the unbelievable development? THE one where all the boys are getting full D1 rides to colleges of their choice? THE one with parents that are living thru their kids on the pitch?

THE one with only 2 wins in 9 games.

Please stop your craziness and just let your kids enjoy the game. I have this image of you bribing your kid with $20 for each goal he scores.

Anonymous said...

How was the redbulls u 14 outplayed?they won,in soccer dont matter how you win,a win is a win,thats all people wake up,like i said before csa top of the line facilities dont mean nothing,coaching and good training is what matters,they try selling a great product but its been a mess forever,from daddy coaches to bad training,parents crying to coaches and tab,favoritism,bla bla bla,nuff said,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

CSA still not perfect but the "daddy coach" argument has to go. Obviously not a poster with recent knowledge of the club. Coaching is for the most part good.

Anonymous said...

The DOC is not good, period. All you have to do is watch the u16's play, which is his team to recognize it. Parking the bus and favoritism with parents speaks volumes for him as DOC. The u14 coach was brought back after being told he had to leave in the middle of a season, a few years back. The academy teams are trained by a guy from Marlboro who is only there because of Tab. I think the soccer community would disagree with "coaching is for the most part good", in fact I believe the majority would say it is substandard for a town club team.

Academy programs in the USDA deserve better coaching.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this is naïve, but wouldn't an MLS youth academy team almost always be better than a team like Cedar Stars, TSF, or even PDA? Wouldn't the best kids in each age group choose the Red Bulls or Union Academy over those others if selected? I know one kid whose parents drive him over 1 hour each way to the Red Bulls academy even though other non-MLS academies are much closer.

Anonymous said...

TSF would be my absolute last choice of a any club. They're a fraud of an academy. The only academy team they have is u12 and they tell parents they're are a full academy. I wonder why so many good coaches have left recently.

Anonymous said...

My son will be going into U12 next season. U12 starts the USSDA Soccer Academy age. Does that really matter? If he is serious about his development does he need to try to make a US Soccer Academy team at U12 like Red Bulls or PDA or can he stay with his current program that has a strong team?

Anonymous said...

The decision is up to you and your son but consider that the USSDA is the highest level of youth soccer in the country and it is where, theoretically of course, the elite players choose to go. Does it provide the best opportunities for development? Your guess is as good as mine. He should try out for academy teams and see if he makes it first and then decide. The most important thing is that he's happy with his team and coach and you feel that he's in a positive environment for him.

Anonymous said...

We always hear of the deficiencies of the college game when it comes to developing a top notch soccer player - short season, less than optimal competition, etc.

However, it appears that only a fraction of the top level DA talent is good enough to even play at this level (previous comments "you better be one of the best 3 kids on the team," etc.). Seems like this is the ultimate goal.

So is the college level very high, but the best we, and the DA, can do is produce talent at this level, not consistently at the pro/international level? Would like to hear your thoughts...

Anonymous said...

Not sure the college post is correct, I think the majority of Union and Red Bulls academy kids are playing D1 college (or better, USL, overseas, etc.). I think it depends upon which "level" of Development Academy you are talking about. There are two DA levels in my opinion -- "MLS level" and "non-MLS level." If your kid is non-MLS level then yes, I think it would be best if he was one of the top 3 on his team, not sure if that applies to MLS level.

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