What about the 2003 kids?
They will keep calling back certain kids. They already know whose going to move on. Unfortunately to them the 2003 year means nothing. Just some extra training.
If your daughter is an 02 and hasn't been invited to a National Team Camp chances are they won't be. 02s have already been invited to the U15 Nationa Team Camp.
Agree their are many 02's in ID2 and Region 1 pool as well they are looking at, this is pretty much the last year for 02's for U.S. Training centers as they will age out. It's a shame as many girls do not blossom until mid-HS years. Another incorrect method our National team is doing.
Age out at 13? Why? At what age does the process begin?
Yes 01 is the last year for this cycle starting next fall 02's will be in the final cycle for training centers. But we'll see as many will be playing HS or will moved many 02's will be U15 per the calendar year so who knows they may adjust it and say this spring will be the last of the 02/01 cycle. Next it will be 03/04's. Hey like I said it's free training 6 to 8 times a year even though there goal is to pull for the national level.
Why is that the age at which soccer talent is evaluated. Why not younger or older? Honest question.
with my oldest player (u13) a lot of changes this year with certain players rising up and becoming standouts, and at least one former star fading a bit. Seems like a volatile age to assess.
Agree many girls are just maturing now and when they hit HS things can take a turn. This is what is truly wrong with the system we look for early blossoming players and forget about that there many girls that are still blossoming. Sorry to say but even though I feel ODP is an old and expensive program it still catches many girls later down the line. If you look closely many of the U20's to current WNT have gone through it.
Maybe the purpose of the US Training Center is more to access the overall talent and soccer IQ that the different regions of the country are producing? Even a way to judge the overall coaches in a region by the output of the Training Centers?There is just so much growth that needs to occur for a standout player at U13 to be a standout player at age 20. When US Training Centers end they move to other systems such as iD2 and PDP which is through US Club Soccer. They scout NPL, ECNL, etc. They are also scouting the Division 1 college tournament for standout players and the NWSL.
Just to be clear because there's some bad info flowing here:Current U15G National Team is scouting and targeting 2001 players, but they occasionally invite an 02. In 2016 the target year will be 2002 girls.If you have an 01G that hasn't gotten a National event "call up" you've missed the US Soccer Centers window for identification and will be cycled out of their program when US Soccer Centers recalibrates their groups in July 2016. As stated by someone else, if you are a 2001 and have National Team aspirations there are still other avenues like PDP, college and ODP after you "age-out" of US Soccer Centers...... but those avenues are not for U15.US Soccer Center is for starting the process and only focuses on filling the U15 pool. Starting January of 2016 the U15G National Team will be targeting 2002 girls.Current US Soccer Centers groups are 2003-2004 in the early session and 2001-2002 in the late session. Come July of 2016 US Soccer Centers grouping will be 2005-2004 in their early sessions and 2002-2003 in the later session, which means the 2002's still have a good 18-20 months in the program.(now thru July 2017).and there are 12 sessions each year, not 6-8(1 each month)
what is an early session and a late session? Is there a link to how this process works somewhere?
early trains 5:00-6:30, late trains 6:30-8:00two groups training at different times on the same day that's all2003's and 2004's(5:00-6:30) then 2002's and 2001's(6:30-8:00)
How does one even get into the US Soccer Centers? My daughter's team is a top level F1 team that has built an impressive resume of competition and championships, and that has pretty much stayed intact since U9. Not one player has ever been invited anywhere, although one or two have tried out for ODP.
Those centers are a way for the ECNL Clubs to poach players with player to player interaction as you can see if you attend them the # of PDA players there. Sorry but look at each one that is ran NY, NJ, PA and look who the trainers are.
Why does us soccer allow these ECNL clubs to corrupt the selection process like that?
If PDA is trying to poach players, why would they have so many of their own players there. I'm not sure this is true, just trying to understand your point.As for the person who said their team is F1 and no player has ever been asked, how would you know? And if it's a ploy to poach players, wouldn't your team be a prime target?
PF uses promises of US training as a way to recruit players as well
I thought 4:42 meant that PDA uses their cozy relationship with US soccer to "poach" or attract players to PDA.
The clubs in question do both
8:38 - I will rephrase: To the best of my and my daughter's knowledge, information and belief, no one has ever accepted an invitation. The girls all know who is doing what. Yes, you would think the team would be a prime target, which highlights the fact that the system is more about "brands" and who you know, than what you can do.
Any coach can make recommendation for invite - they just need to make sure the player is the real deal.The reality is being on PDA is a disadvantage for getting an recommendation - they only select the top three or four per age year. There are many others that are much stronger than other girls who get invites - but because there are so many at PDA and other Ecnl clubs that are strong - very select few get the nod. Everything needs to get final approval from doc - coaches can only recommend at PDA, MF and WC.
There is definitely a very wide representation. Most girls don't know each other, there is very little interaction between players. All the girls are cordial to each other, but for the most part they are all strangers and the limited time and the format doesn't really encourage interaction. I've recognized players from at least 8 clubs and I don't recognize most players. Some girls my daughter has faced many times over the years stand out and are recognizable.It's fun to watch the skill level at these sessions. NJ is definitely loaded with talent.
10:09I agree. The talent level is sky high and the format is as fair as any talent identification process can ever be. There may be players that don't get invites when they are warranted, but there will always be some element of that. US Soccer reaches out to as many clubs as possible to get recommendations, but not every club has the capacity to accurately assess their own talent and every club doesn't have proper DOC structures in place. Add to that, the know it all coaches that don't want to see players train elsewhere for whatever reason. Put it all together and you get some cracks in a great plan.Here's the key: in each birth year they will probably get a chance to train and evaluate the top 100 players from each state where a center is set up. That 100 number is simply my estimate based on the number of players that come into and get cycled out of the program over the few eligible years each birth year has. Very few players(maybe 20% - again, my guess) will participate in the program from the time they enter until they AGE OUT. The ones that are capable of staying that long are the ones US Soccer feels might have NATIONAL team potential. They are not interested in simply having the best players in attendance. They are more interested in keeping and developing players that have the technical, tactical and mental characteristics which may at some point land them in the national pool. Those guys are sophisticated in their player evaluation methodologies. They are called upon by US Women's Soccer to look for certain things and develop certain things in players and they are very open about communicating that to parents and players. There's a huge difference between a great player and a great player that can meet the standards of the US Women's National team.Also, my kids have played ODP and done US Soccer Centers. US Soccer Centers is by far the better program. Those on this board pointing towards outside influences, poaching etc are absolutely clueless. The program is literally free of monetary influences. If there are more players from one club or another it's simply because the talent dictates it that way. I've seen many PDA players cycled in and out just like other clubs, so that's a farce too. For the record, my daughter is NOT from PDA. Yeah, they might get more players introduced to the program(duh, they're a top program in the state and country), but once they are there they are weeded through just like everyone else.
They see only 100 players from each an entire birth year in a state the size of NJ? Is that true?
100 doesn't sound like a bad number. Think of it this way, it comes down to about the top 2-3 players on the top 30-40 teams. Honestly, there aren't that many NATIONAL level players out there in NJ. Again, not state level or regional level - NATIONAL level! That's what they're looking for. Sending state level players to US Soccer Centers isn't the goal. It's a quality over quantity approach.
Don't see how by 11 or 12 the most competitive players can be assumed to have migrated to only 30 or 40 teams. I wonder if they even look at 40 teams to get 100.And a top team of 11 and 12 year olds means what exactly? They win a lot of youth soccer games? A deep roster of good players can do that without one stand out at that age.
System seems likely to find some great players and as likely to miss some.
Take your time, parentsIf at U-11, 12, even 13 and your kid hasnt blossomed yet, stick with the program - have her work harder with the skills rather than get discouragedThere is an amazing thing called a growth spurt - and this could be emotional, psychological as well as physical.The best players at 11 are often not the same as the best at 15.Work the program, have patience - even with these invites. Stay with a coach you believe in, even if you havent been so honored with a special invite - or even 50-60 minutes a game just yet.enjoy the ride....
Just to build on 10:54. There is no one right way to navigate this process. Each parent needs to evaluate the relevant options with their child's needs in mind. The most important thing at this age is that the kid keeps playing and enjoying themselves. Those are the two biggest factors to ensure development. Not the only factors, but the big two.
Yes. The goal is to enjoy the game and the ride. As far as identification of players goes...If there was a more significant value in identifying the best very soccer players, the system would look different than it does today. The ultimate model I guess is on the boys side in countries where the clubs can cash in on the players talent. There they are motivated to find the best (boy) players available.t
If you look at the current U15 National Pool you can see that by next year they will already have chosen the next cycle and for all those that attend the Training Centers including my daughter it's just an extra session it's nearly impossible to make the national team without some of the other pieces of exposure in our region like ID2, PDP, ODP playing in the ECNL league. So it's a .01% chance out of the 100 you people mentioned on here. I total agree with 10:54 girls will change and grow and mature so who knows by U15 what and where they will be at physically and mentally, by then our daughters have already aged out of Training Center program. I do agree it is a way for higher level clubs to market how good there players are and attract others to their club as my daughter has been approach many times to come train with another club among chit chat among the girls. http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/11/10/13/57/151110-u15gnt-final-camp-of-2015 I only see from our region 1 NJ, 1 PA, 1 NY, 2 MD. Many players from CA and TX To me it's stupid to cutting the pool of players this much at U15 they still have 8 more years to play until they can actually be called up to U23 where it will mean a ton.
Everyone.. Also building on to a previously strong topic.. If your child likes where they are, keep them there. If your child is not happy where they are , move them. Even the biggest of teams are changing, especially with 2002 2003 changes. If your kid is enjoying soccer and not blossoming, that is fine. Give time. Long proccess. If you are worried about anything right now, relax , change is coming. Big changes have already happened in the past that have hurt teams, but soon everything will be different. new start ! Last season South Jersey Elite Baron #10 left.. hurt that team greatly. PDA Galaxy #16 left, hurt that team badly. SDFC players left, hurt that team. Teams are also getting better though. Next year every team will change for better or for worse. Your kid may fit in better, and if not maybe a change is needed! Enjoy time with your kids and don't waste it worrying.
November 27, 2015 at 3:17 PM amazing insight. just incredible. kids come, kids go, and as the kids get older and train more, they get better. incredible insight. a true analyst telling everyone their business. Sometimes its hot, sometimes its cold. the sun comes up and the sun goes down. one day you're happy, the next you're not. what insight!
3:17#16 from PDA made no difference , she was a non factor on that team .#10 from SJEB will be missed for her ball skills but definitely not for her bad attitude
4:50; I disagree with your opinions. #10 was aggressive, but made the difference and #16 was also a game changer. Both went to Penn Fusion.. I went to watch PDA Gal play Penn Fusion a few weeks back 1-0 PDA, but they were ultra dominated by Penn fusion, Mainly because of midfield duo that game, Barons10 and PDA16.. They work together. Scary to play! Pda goal was own goal I believe.
PF seemed to struggle at Bethesda
It is completely inappropriate to address specific players by name number position etc. that's a boundary that should not be crossed on this board.
Come on guys- stop talking about individual players. It's just sick! They are 12 and 13 year olds.
Sounds like Its their own parents starting the conversation and putting down team they left.
Completely agree. If you're going to put kids numbers out there please have the nerve to put your name out there as well. So pathetic ! Like a great announcer once said in a classic movie in the Astrodome "let them play , let them play , let them play " Remember the girls are playing not "you".
Sorry player addressing on this blog should be banned! But it seems PDA Galaxy is doing just fine with the player that left, and SJEB is struggling not because of one player but because they lost half the team not just one player a few went to PDA South and many went to FC Bucks. Game changers will not be seen until U15, as you can see there are already girls called up as 02's for the u15 NT. Again I do agree girls stars with come and go new ones will start showing up as well. Remember this age change is gonna make a huge difference.
Oh didn't NJ Rush just cement victories against PF show I don't see much of the so called game changers making a difference comparable to last year!
I also agree. Just another parent trying to hype their own kid .If they were such game changers they would be playing up on PF like another girl currently is . Guessing he's the same parent that's puts his kids soccer videos all over YouTube !
link please to video
I feel it would be inappropriate to put the kids name and video on this blog
completely inappropriate, move on
You people are just wrong, for those of you bloggers that posted kids numbers and identified on here the Admin should delete those posts. There will be a lot of girls popping up into the scene in the next year or so when the age factor kicks in and when the next cycle starts for NT status that many of you have not even heard of, so let's wait and see before you all start calling who the game changers are. And if you've been keeping up with potential national team players you would know that ODP's 6 day girls Thanksgiving invitational just finished down in Florida where many girls that do ODP, US Training Centers, ID2/PDP attended based on selections. These girls will be the ones to keep an eye on. NY is well represented!http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/2015-odp-girls-thanksgiving-day-5-recap_aid38467http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/2015-odp-girls-thanksgiving-day-3-recap_aid38456
Why should we spend the time and money on odp? I reall want to know, I have been told it's a money grab.
614 I don't know where your from but in some states it's still a credible program as you can see the state of NY is represented well.
Regarding ODP, the advantages are: playing with different kids, different coaches, playing different positions. The talent is good overall, but there are still a few kids that are weaker than others. Some club teams are definitely better than the ODP teams. For this year at least a major advantage is playing birth year to prepare you for next year. The disadvantages are the cost and paying on Sunday evenings.
NJ ODP trains during the week in the spring which deters many players away as they may miss club practice.
I have a March 03' child. Looking for somewhere to put her in Fall 16'. Is it safe to say that most U13G teams will lose a 1/3 or more of their players and teams will be looking to replace these so players, so a great time and oppty for her?
Regarding Pennsylvania ODP... I think it is fun and a good experience for the girls. My daughter has loved it and she continues to be a part of it.But... It is way too expensive! I know they provide financial aid, but how many families would truly qualify for that?Here are the cost:$675 - 10-training sessions$350 - Virginia friendlies tournament. Pays for bus and hotel for girls.$675 - camp in Rhode Island.Included - Regional tournament in NJTOTAL: $1700This camp is the ONLY way to make the regional team. The camp is an extremely cut-throat environment, where each day lists are posted with the players on the regional team at that moment. The list changes daily. The chaperones are required to tell the players who is on the list. I think that they should pick the Regional Team from the Region 1 tournament and not make everyone pay the $675 for camp. What is everyone else's thought about this?
If you live in NJ , you are allowed to participate in PA or NY ODP?
At least the program provides Financial Aid as there are so many talented girls with not so well off parents that do it and still get some exposure needed to play in college even if it's a D2 or D3 school. ECNL clubs rarely provide this and if they do it's given to their top players to prevent them from club hopping. Again soccer in America is turning into a sport for the most well off parents in my opinion you'll see many girls flock to other less expensive sports come HS time just like what happens with the boys side. Most talent boy athletes flock to other sports and that's the reason the men's NT isn't competitive the age change will not make a difference.
Ha, like gymnastics, ice hockey, tennis, lacross, baseball and so many more - these are so cheap.
11:37 - A player participates in the ODP program of the state association in which the player is registered (typically, the state of residence). Exceptions can be made. For example, if a player lives in DE but crosses the river to play for a NJ team, there is a mechanism for the player to be granted permission to tryout for NJ ODP.Unfortunately, ODP can be a significant extra expense. Although, my daughter very much enjoyed her Region I camp experience and got to know many girls outside of her normal training and competition circles.
"I have a March 03' child. Looking for somewhere to put her in Fall 16'. Is it safe to say that most U13G teams will lose a 1/3 or more of their players and teams will be looking to replace these so players, so a great time and oppty for her?"I believe '03s will be U14 this coming fall.Reach out to coaches and ask to join a practice session. If she's good, they will ask her back.Then you need to determine what is the highest level team she can play for while playing more than 2/3 of the game. The focus right now should be development and not wins or GS points.Good luck.
I think this board can get some action, the u14 board is shut down. Would be nice to get some analysts on our age group from gs4 life
"Here are the cost:$675 - 10-training sessions$350 - Virginia friendlies tournament. Pays for bus and hotel for girls.$675 - camp in Rhode Island.Included - Regional tournament in NJTOTAL: $1700"10 training sessions are 2 hours each with one 3 hour session, so 21 total hours.That's $32+ per hour and there should be at least 2 coaches at each session. $350 for a weekend tournament including meals, travel, and hotel is not terrible. Two nights is $200 minimum at most hotels. Roughly $50 per kid to register for a tournament. $100 for meals and bus fare might be reasonable.The 4 day camp is easily 21 hours worth of soccer, so similar pay structure there.I just did a cursory search for UK Elite camps. 6 sessions (1 hour 15 mintues) for $225 is $30/hour.And to answer an earlier question, yes, they allow out of state players to try out for ODP in a certain region. There are NJ/DEL players in PAE ODP.Good luck.
2:18 I know the U14 blog is shut down and it has been very entertaining I always thought the U13 group was crazy but that age group are insanely out of their minds. Feel bad for the many 02's jumping into that group going into U15. As for this age U13. I think the Calendar change will impact this group the most. As my 03 and other 03's will still have a U14 age group to play in during the Fall league and players are mostly likely 8th/7th graders come next fall. The interesting part is there are many strong U12 teams right now in the area of NY,NJ,PA. As for the 02's born Aug-Dec playing U13 now I think they will be impacted the most as they will need to jump to U15; that's a big jump. Some will be 8th graders come next fall with no Fall League and I think that will hurt many girls. As for the 02's playing U13 now and not seeing the craziest of the U14's group you should take time to read some there blogs. There are many stand out 02's in the NT pool, ODP's Region 1 Pool and ID2/PDP programs already, and most likely have been already on many college watch list many in the ECNL league at U14: U15 next year.(Yes there have been schools recruiting Freshmans already). I suggest the 02's playing U13 really need to look at the year up(U14) in their own club or other clubs your daughter is interested in to truly see where she will stand next fall.
"Then you need to determine what is the highest level team she can play for while playing more than 2/3 of the game. The focus right now should be development and not wins or GS points."That is some great advice.I would say aim for the highest level team where she can play between 1/2 - 2/3 but a 2/3 aim is great.
301 oh stop Win's and GS points is enjoyable to girls that are 11,12,13 years old. Always being in the Top 25 in the nation is a result of good development in my opinion. It drives hunger and passion that is more self taught then a good trainer so stop with the focus should only be development as Win's and Development come hand in hand.
Did not say to "only" focus on development. No one goes into any competitive arena and tries to lose. Unless you are throwing a match.The primary focus should be development. If that is being done correctly, wins will occur. Hence, winning is the byproduct of proper development.Part of the development of players and teams is giving them an appropriate amount of play time during a match. This will cause some matches to be lost due to weaker players being on the pitch. There are, unfortunately, many coaches who will not attempt to develop every player on the team as they should, to collect wins. If a player is good enough to be selected to your squad, that player should get appropriate opportunity to develop accordingly. Otherwise, sack the player.
GS points, this has to be from the u14 board. Has never been mentioned on this board and nobody ever ranks teams.
GS has been talked about on the blog many times in the past few years. Welcome Newbie!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Birth-Year!(someone had to break the silence)
This blog has gone dark because most us (03's) flocked to the u12 blog, and for the (02's) they are hiding behind rocks because they terrified on what will happen next year when they move to u15 and have to compete and gain a roster position against girls playing U14 right now. As that blog is in-sane.
maybe, or maybe people are getting sick and tired of the negative crap and post stirring and just trying to enjoy their kids and families during this wonderful holiday season. either way, nice to not have the negativity.
I guess the ECNL isn't so elite after all
Again this age group get's screwed first the birth year change now the academy league. By the time 2017 rolls out 1st wave of clubs for DA it wont be 2018 until majority of the other clubs get introduced. So by the time our 03's are in the picture it may not be until their U15/16 DA year's as for the 02's U17/18 year's.Look at ECNL it start out with half the clubs the 1st few years and has grown so the same will happen with the DA. Girls soccer has dominated the world why make all these changes to mimic boys side that has been struggling against the world.
IF that is your biggest worry then you have it pretty good. Just get your player out on the soccer field somewhere, somehow, and enjoy this great game.
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Who cares about Region 1 most of those clubs are just chasing the GS points. I guess with all the change those teams are trying to stack the points now before the change coming this summer.
lol. who cares about any girls soccer team except the players and parents involved with the team and the opponent of the moment.
10:42 - You are absolutely correct, no one should care about the Region I list above because there must not be any elite soccer talent in cities like Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Rochester, and Binghamton (all areas represented by teams above) because there are no ECNL clubs in or reasonably near those areas. The girls in those areas should just stick to cheerleading (not that there is anything wrong with cheer).
The players and parents on non "elite" teams care about their teams and the players and parents on "elite" teams care about those. That's about it as it should be.
What a waste of time and effort this Region 1 is, hauling U13 kiddies hours and hours for a single match. Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Mass, Virginia. Could you imagine having to go 3, 4 hours at the age of U13 to play a match of soccer when training should still be priority number one and there are endless good teams in the NY, NJ area.Agreed, GS points-chasers or someone's ill advised thought. Aint no college coaches coming to see a U13 match of two non-EcNL teams.
1128 Agree - On top many of those region 1 teams are playing in other leagues as well. I thought the new US initiative to do more training and less games. Even the college scene is trying to move their season to Fall and Spring v squeezing so many games into a fall season.
All U13 teams are non ECNL.
Seriously are we going start off the new year with this debate, if those teams want to play Region 1 so be it. If those players, coaches, parents have the full enjoyment of tracking GS points so be it. Isn't it about keeping the players enjoying their soccer years now because in 2-3 years when they are in HS those same players are looking to get recruited and parents start worrying about those years and they are not enjoyable trust me. If these parents/players know full well of the traveling for Region 1 its on them, maybe its more of the time spending with close soccer friends for those day and evening trips. To me North East NPL(Pre-ECNL U13) is traveling just as much and they aren't chasing anything GS points, just standings where there are many other teams just as competitive within distance.
Shhh. Don't mess with the youth soccer industrial complex. We stronger, faster, better and we travel travel travel.
Would the same negative comments about travel distance for participating in RCL and ultimately the USYS National Championship Series apply with respect to 11-13 year old boys participating in the baseball Little League World Series?
Absolutely yes. Don't get me started on baseball, maybe worse than soccer.
Again Baseball totally different sport the enjoyment of Little League World Series for each Town is fun. Little League World Series are based on Town, remember there is a ruling on how far a child can live to be on each team. It's also by choice but majority players 11-13 do not play Academy Baseball as it is different avenue similar to our soccer scene but many stay at the town level for the aspect of the Little League World Series scene during the 11-13 years of age. Maybe US Soccer can adopt something similar so many players stay amongst it town teams to force players/parents to adhere the being humble and respect for playing for your town.
Until they open a DA in the Rochester /syracuse/binghamton area, then we'll see who cares
Jeff cup has pre flights out, only rage and PDA in top flight.So is pipeline, not sure they belong. Doesn't really matter, everything changes next year with BYC.This and PDA spring will be the last time girls all play against each other.
Where are the Jeff Cup pre-flights posted?
That's the link for the showcase age groups - what is the link for the U10 - U14 flights?
Observations:F1 - Greensboro gets compensated for a bad break at WAGS where it did not make semifinal when it thought it did because of quirky tiebreaker rule. Pipeline, a much improved team now relying more on skill than size gets recognized.F2 - PHWM overrated, it made the WAGS semi ahead of Greensboro because of the quirky rule.F3 - North United, underrated. It should be F2F4 - Rage Athletica, underrated. Perhaps in somewhat of a slide, but can still compete with the best.F5 - Supernova, very underrated. Should be an F3. YMS Tempo, underrated.Above said, making the appropriate adjustments would be difficult given the amount of parity between teams.
Biggest shock is PDA Crew in 2nd flight......
Should PDA Crew be higher or lower?
Just be happy PDA is doing something outside their realm, to what I heard was the PDA North sanctions were asked by Jeff Cup to attend at a discount to draw more quality teams. As you can see not many New England clubs like Boston, NY, etc attend. I'm glad Jeff Cup did their majority of their seeding's based on research vs. just following GS points.
Is Jeff cup more important/bigger than maps?
Jeff Cup top flight confirmed:Greensboro United - NCPDA Galaxy - NJGwinnett SA - GAHMMS Impact - PAENJ Rush Blue (fka Rage Renegades) - NJPipeline SC - MDOP Fire Red - OHNFC Virginia - VA
So we know most of the top teams have the majority of players moving to u15/02 age group next year. Who will be left standing at this age group going to u14/03? I have an 03 and will be making change as our team has to go u15 next year. I assume the larger the club,mthe better the odds of having complete teams for transition, but some are already weak like MF. I'm in the south, so PF may be my only bet, maybe PDA south, but I'm not seeing them coming out strong.
How strong does the PF 02 team look for next year under the new BYC?
No way to predict PF 02 next year after BYC because so many "free agents" will be knocking on the door. Even without the BYC, a club like PF typically sees turnover at the 14/15 age group because at that age the return on investment begins to outweigh the price of admission and many more players show up looking for a ticket. Past results do not guarantee future returns.
Attend the February Player ID sessions and you'll get at least a potential idea.
Please explain "BYC" at Penn Fusion etc.
PF will be stronger at the 02 level. I think you will also see more girls from the south jersey teams looking for options like PF as they may struggle with the BYC next year. Then we have the DA next, would assume PF may be an option and another good reason to go to club like this.
How many 02's on the current team and how many currently on 01?
Don't you mean 02 and 03. You can see on ecnl site the numbers, just don't know how many are starters.What about rage/rush next year? Looks like the stronger group of players are 02 s on that team and they will be forced to go u15 if they want to stay together as a team. Jeff cup and PDA will be the last time most of these top teams play against each other.
I'd be surprised if Rage/Rush breaks up. I see them making the move to U15 with their 02s while pulling some 03s up. Part of the team's success is the consistency of playing together for a number of years with a core group going back to the U9/U10 level. Whether the lure of ECNL will cause girls to leave is yet to be seen, but they have certainly found a team chemistry that works.
Rage should stay together, but they will also have to compete against strong teams made up of 02 girls only. If the da comes in and has a team out of PF, they could lose their top two players and then the team will be broken.
Who says PF will get DA, wouldn't the MLS clubs that have boys DA get it first like Redbulls, PDA, Union Jrs. Etc.
TSF could get DA in fall of 17'. Boys just got accepted to USSDA
Agree with 11:17AM.If you look at the boys side, they don't have DA teams on top of each other.PA Classics out west.LVU up north.It remains to be seen if the Union will have a girls DA, but FC Delco would be your best bet to become a girls DA. Kids from DE, MD, and NJ will try out, especially if an announcement comes before tryouts. PF has very limited resources, especially regarding field space (one turf field).
12:58 DA also is dependent on funding as the girls will most likely be free similar to boys. So a club will need a lot of backing from both ends youth level teams to it's top level teams. PDA, TSF have that - any word if Match fit is still eligible.
That's changing. They'll have 3 next year.
1:05 Yeah adding 3 in the area in 1 year is not the normal way for DA's even at ECNL doesn't add 3 clubs in one region in a year. Keep pumping false info.
8:14 Team page on ECNL website will give you birthdays for each player that is an 02 birthday on the 01 and 02 current teams. Are they planning on returning? That who knows.
What's false exactly? That PF will have more turf fields? Do some research maybe. I'm not talking about a DA, I'm talking fields.
Wow this blog has come alive again don't anger the PennFusion parents to much or they will leave again.
Cedar Stars will only have U10-U13 girls teams in the fall. But they have the financial backing and resources to make it happen. Owner just built turf fields and has own indoor facility. Boys are USSDA. He owns a USL team and just dropped 10M on a deal with a Bundesliga 2 team, that will wear his Capelli gear in 2018. He has the bucks to make it happen. Not saying it's right, but you know what they say - MONEY TALKS !
So now their will be 3 powerhouses up North Jersey, PDA/Matchfit/Cedar Stars. Come on powers to be when will SJ get something.
Would not the girl's DA go to the NWSL clubs if it were to mirror the boys?
4:59no, NWSL clubs don't have the money to pay their own players appropriately, so they won't have the extra money to support DA's
If there is no support for the pro league from the media or fans, the DA at these clubs will be a good taste of the future for these young players. Where are the pro players coming out of the DA supposed to have a career anyway?
They have to give more info on the DA. I know it sounds real, but these people have no clue and have lots of work to do. I honestly want it, but don't believe they can pull it off...
Will not happen ! Will not work ! There is no money in the womens game. Sorry once every four years there is a little money. Totally different animal.
Such positivity! So you're saying that despite announcing a girls DA Fall 2017 that they're FOS?
What are they really announcing? Does it represent an new type of opportunity for top players or it more of the same top level country cub soccer?
Penn Fusion is building two turf fields at USTC, where delco currently practices / plays
916 get your facts straight Penn Fusion sign a contract to use the fields they do not own it.
9:46..I don't know all of the details, obviously. Just heard they were converting two grass fields to turf and paying for it
10OO Here are the details - they are leasing it! This just shows that people on here post things without the full facts. http://www.pennfusion.org/home/900379.htmlDid anyone hear if PA Classics applied for the DA first for the PA?
I dont think that anyone has applied yet for girls DA. Clubs are still awaiting info.
Penn Fusion and Continental FC Delco both use fields at United Sports. It is owned by a private developer. HE is building two new turf fields - so they will have a total of 4-outdoor turf fields in addition to their grass fields.FYI... Penn Fusion was originally formed from a JV between Spirit United and West Chester United. Many of the successful Penn Fusion teams historically have had coaches that came from Spirit. Three years ago Spirit pulled out of the Penn Fusion JV and merged with FC Delco to form Continental FC. Spirit wanted the boys developmental academy and FC Delco needed a player pipeline, coaches, access to fields etc. Several of Continental's coaches have coached for Spirit, Penn Fusion, and now Continental FC Delco.We are one big happy family here in Chester County, PA.
1208 Now that is some true facts info sharing there! Nice to see someone research v just posting nonsense.
What about PDA coaching next year? The only one I know is mike Oneal, what team will he be taking?
PDA - MO 2002 / LH 2003.
Wow if MO is for 02's that's a huge advantage as to many parents will flock to get on that squad! What about PDA South who will be the 02's coach?
Birth year ID sessionshttp://www.pennfusion.org/home/904818.html
PF will have a very strong group of 2002 players, should be the stand out team going forward for the club. I also think there will be more girls coming over from south jersey. They picked up a few last year and many more great talents out there looking to make the move. With MO taking over this age group at PDA, some will make the long trek up north just because of him taking over. The 2003 teams will all be weak, with PDA north dominating this age group going forward.
1209 How do you know all this insight about SJ players going to PF - I think your just PF parent just trying to market their program. Plus isn't Downingtown, PA(PF new turf fields) a lot further than PDA North for many SJ players.
PDA North is further.
The upcoming Penn Fusion ID sessions are free and are a great way for players to get exposure before tryouts
Would be nice to see other clubs doing this. I have an 2003 and would like to see what clubs will be doing and who will be coaching playing.Everyone I ask, they say they haven't heard anything. For clubs looking to get ahead of the curve and recruit, this sounds like a good idea. I know I'm looking, but PF is not in the cards do to distance.
From, let's say, Washington Township, NJ, to PF, would be about a 45 mile, or 75 minute drive.
A 1 hour 15 minute drive isn't uncommon for top players to travel to ecnl clubs at this age.
Yup, PF has several over the 90 minute one-way commute mark, which at a 3 hour round trip you would think it would just be easier on the family to move, which I suppose happens sometimes.
I hope you mean move player to closer club not relocate a family for a youth soccer team.
I'm sure some crazy parents do actually move their whole families . They all think their kid is the next Mia Hamm
Who cares? People spend way too much time concerning themselves with other peoples lives. Not your kid, not your decision, not your money, not your concern.
You're right it's not our money and not our concern . Doesn't mean we still can't think it's ridiculous .Sounds like we hit a nerve with you tho. Let me guess..... Your little Suzy is the next Mia Hamm? lol
Is my kid talented? Yes. Do I expect her to be on the future USWNT? No. Do I have hopes of scholarship? You bet. My turn. Let me guess...You are an opinionated nosey ass who does often concern yourself with other peoples business? (lol)
I'm sure most parents on this blog have daughters that are very talented. Hopefully your daughter will also have the grades for that scholarship you're after . I know mine will !
But of coarse. Academics come first in our house. Very few girls will make a living out of a soccer career after all.
Why did she leave?
Are you sure you're not just trying to scare away parents from bringing their kids to their tryout?
Not at all . If you and your daughter like that kind of atmosphere then I'm sure you will be very happy there . To each his own .
My daughter is an 02 and PF is a tryout we plan to attend. Can you tell me is this hearsay from PF parents you know are have you yourself witnessed this atmosphere?
. The 02s will have a good team no doubt . With the birth year change it should be a much better environment as the mean girls on the current team are 03s.
Looks like someone was up late going back and forth with themselves...
PDA north is a lot less time from SJ than PF. I-76 W!
Just looked at PF got soccer page, they have done nothing. why so much talk about them?
Those mean girls on the 03 PF team will be playing on the 02 team.Book it. Too much parental influence. One of the 02 players has already left the team.
Parental influence isn't going to allow them to play up a year on ecnl.
They will if they don't have the depth of 02 girls. This will be the only reason clubs allow it and I think many will, like - PF, MF, WC and other ecnl clubs who have very weak teams currently. PDA has the depth to avoid this and they don't put up with parent bull $hit in most cases, unless the girls is a stand out natl team player. And there are not any of those yet in this age bracket. This starts at u14. People should want to stay on age, unless the lower team is very weak.
How nice would it be if parents brought their kid to practice and games and just..watched! Too many feel the need to yet again start that chat session with Coach! Need to start carrying a puke bucket around with me.
Who will play on the PF 03 team, the 04 girls? Clubs will be forced to be tough or it will sprawl out of control.
With the costs at a PDA or PF type club you cannot expect the customers to just keep quiet. Very high costs come with very high expectations and demands.
Not at PDA. I have seen a few do it, but it always comes back to haunt you if your daughter slips at all. Coaches can't stand parents that come with baggage - nothing worse for a team or club.
PDA does not cater because they don't have to, plenty of depth and plenty of kids come in every year. They can rely on their name brand.PF does not have the depth, so they need to keep the quality kids happy. And they do not have multiple SJEB players, just the one. Several SJEB players went to Bucks and according to futsal games that were played in the previous weekend before the storm, one has left Bucks and the rest are unhappy. So, not sure what's going on there, but need to confirm. Anyone have info?
Actually , this seems wrong. The "mean girls" are the girls who left the team right ?
Bucks lost one SJEB already and the rest will not stay. Bad environment
1:28 I can confirm that your statements are correct .
2:36Feel better calling 12 year old girls mean? classless
This is the same poster talking about her daughter on both this and the u12 blog. Pda has their hands full.
For the Oct,Nov and Dec kids born in 02'. and still in 8th grade next fall, does anyone think there will be a Fall U15 league for clubs to play on?
Stop pinpointing girls !! Awfull. Your wasting your time. Let's talk about upcoming issue. 02 - 03 what's the best ECNL for each age group
Parents should know ahead of time what kind of team they are putting their kid on. And likely it's the former SJEB. Wouldn't shock me.
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