No, that's not correct. PL also beat them 4-2 earlier this year at the Cats homefield. Wildcats actually had a 2-0 at the half and probably should have won that game. PL was kind of fortunate and scored 4 goals in a span of 15 minutes.
9:50 Good question on why no NJ team applied for Champions League play. It is a lot of travel for one game, so that may have something to do with it. Although the Wildcats only finished with one win in last springs play, most likely would do much better this spring. This upcoming year may be the Wildcats strongest showing since going 11v11.
Ok so in the Spring of U13 the Cats lost 2-4 to PL but a more accurate game to reference would be their Fall U14 game where they only lost 1-2 in the late minutes.They also did in fact tie twice in their meetings. Those scores indicate the teams are on the same competitive level.
Any early Jeff cup flight rumors?
Don't we need to know who applied first? Do you have a list of applied teams?
If I recall correctly, they don't post who applied but they have rolling acceptance starting last summer depending on team's prior resultsFor instance, our team's been in for awhile but that's all we know...
NYSC will be at Jefferson Cup, and I know you are all trembling : )Happy New Year to our fans!
Acceptances will be posted: On or before January 5th for March events.They suppress their applied list for some reason just like MSC does, I guess it's better for business to keep the teams in the dark before they apply on the level of comp because everyone wants to travel to VA to play the same teams every year without being given a choice.
Right on Brother, I love to drive 8 hours each way, the traffic is magical....
Yep, hoping for great NYSC results like at Bethesda!Who doesn't enjoy traveling to Richmond to play a team they play all the time?:)
ChampionshipX-TREME SELECT SC 01/02 SELECT - BLACK (ON)RICHMOND STRIKERS ELITE (VA)ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)PDA AJAX (NJ)NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)CLEVELAND FC '01-'02 ROYAL (ON)RICHMOND UNITED PRE-ECNL (VANJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
Funny that you brought that up, let’s talk about Bethesda, shall we.We should of won that flight, but we had some of the following happen:1. We had some serious injuries to some of our starters, but we should of won anyway.2. It was very cold, and windy, and that always seems to bother us, but we should of won anyway.3. YMS got lucky, but we should of won anyway.4. PAC is not that much better than us, they got lucky too, but we should of won anyway.5. I got a speeding ticket from one of those damn rural traffic cameras, but we should of won anyway.Hope this has helped you understand our perspective, our gift shop is opening soon, want the url?
12:23 Was those last two losses you had to them "on dry ground"? You keep mentioning the ties, which were also U13. A competitive level is when one team beats the other once in a while. Something that your team has yet to do. But yes, I do think your team is improved and will do well this spring. Good luck
Fair enough. Let's see what happens with Jefferson Cup.Hard to gauge when only matchup at U14 was at Spirit.All teams at this level add pieces at tryouts and field new mix of players each year in fall.With Spirit in August being 1st competitive games with new roster each year teams will hopefully be much improved by Nov/Dec and certainly by March.
Top Drawer Top 25 out, NEFC #1, MFA #6, EM, PDA also in top 25. This is a real top 25 IMO, not perfect but a good list.
PAC roster this year seems quite different Not sure what's happening there. Center midfield and defense look strong but finishing is their issueNYSC will take top F1 flight at Jeff cup no doubtUrl have early buy champions jerseys ?
PAC spends too much effort trying to get the ball to one player up top. Works against lower level teams, not so much against better ones. Did NEFC beat FC Virginia this fall? Also, will the merge of NEFC and BB take anything away from South Shore? Or are those clubs geographically so far apart that it doesn't matter?
Sorry but the TDS rankings are a joke, showing a clear bias for ECNL teams. South Shore deserves to be near the top of any list, having beaten Breakers, Match Fit (#6?!) and pretty much everybody else this season. Cincinnati is another team that should be on the list. Even BRYC should be on that list, having tied the #3 team (losing on PKs), and beating Match Fit, Bethesda (#16) and CASL (#18) (BRYC did not give up a goal to an ECNL team over 6 games this Fall). Even Wildcats have a good argument, having beating MatchFit and Bethesda.
Come on now MatchFit #6 in "Real Top 25". Only those drinking your spiked punch is buying that one.
Thanks 11:12, will save one of those shirts for you, its XXXL yes?
11:20, I don't like that lower level teams comment, you are a jerk, and I hope you have fun thinking about teams that you are NOT associated with...
Yes 12:23 but Women's V neck please
After picking up some of PL's current unhappy players at tryouts PAC will be a force next year.
Unhappy PL players? Looking great, what's the dirt?
Yup, looks like PL Parent, formerly from NY, is going to PAC, can they get any better?
That’s not true, we are happy at Pennsylvania Legacy, but if we did move to another team it would be NYSC, they are the best .500 team on the East Coast.PL Parent2
It's very true and it's more than a couple of players. PAC will be the team to beat next year.
Still waiting for PL dirtPL parent 13
Which daughter's yours 12:50?
PL parent has expressed frustration several times on this board regarding coaching and club issues so not exactly surprising but don't forget about the BYC. Most teams will be changing anyway. So who cares really.
all those looking for PL dirt, keep in mind half this team is 01' who are going to PAC. 02' have a different plan.....
Most teams are 50/50 01 and 02Must be club issues
They're all going to PU to play under whacko coach Kosta!
I have been on here stating frustration with PL's doctrine that is passed down to its coaches, but the coach does do a good job with the cards he is dealt. Knowing that as a coach, you can only have limited impact due to PL's substitution policy, could make it tough for any coach to stay motivated. Next thing you know you start showing up 25 minutes before games and the girls are warming up themselves for 20 minutes. PL as a club does many great thing for parents. They will scholarship players that have parents struggling economically, they have moved entire yearly payments to the following year for some. Their goal is to simply have kids play soccer and will bend over backwards to have kids do so, the level of soccer played is not a major concern. Which therein lies the problem for those that want more. A PL U17 girls coach recently pulled his team out of Jeff Cup without informing the club or more importantly, the parents. Naturally the parents were incensed when they found out and wanted to know why, and also asked a PL director to remedy the situation. The coach informed the parents that there really weren't many east coast college coaches attending at Jeff, so it wasn't worth the time, informing them they would do a Legacy or Classics tournament instead. PL officials refused to address the issue and offered no remedy. Situations like this will make some think twice about returning, for non ECNL players need every chance to receive any exposure they can get. PA Classics is right next store and its director (Steve Klein) is highly regarded and involved at all levels, especially on the boys side. He was truly awesome when my son was there. But on the girls side, do they offer anything more regarding exposure than PL does? If they had a DA program, I'm sure those teams would full of great players.Lots of tough decisions coming up, but really looking forward to this spring watching the PL girls play, and hearing you guys and gals talk a little trash and beat up each others thoughts. Have a good New Year GuysPL Parent
To be honest yes. PAC has a better coaching staff and takes their teams to all the high level tournaments. Did PL go to Bethesda? PAC did. There isn't an issue of whether they will go to top tournaments/college showcases. Just need a few more top players to make the move. Im sure there will be more top PA players who will choose the commute to PF but is it really necessary? Not sure but any who do will have to be ready to give up time and lots of money.
Back to boca, we have played them, they beat us twice. Close games though. I am not sure about the parent coach, but they did, looking at game history, have a much better October and November, than September. I also see they played that 4th match in each tournament on Sundays for last one year at least. Making it to that 4th match is key if you ask me. They seemed to begin to really play well since last November in top bracket play in Tuckahoe starting Nov 2014. The reason I talk about them is we are local to them, and when we play them they find a way to win. I also see they beat the barons a couple of times, one time a shut out. And TSF looking at history. They will not be relegated from what I see. Division one parent
EDP - I have an idea for you guys - you are probably the only league this would work for since you also have many tournaments. **Re-Structure your league to 11 teams per flight (min 10 games)**Forget Pro/Rel - move to GS Rankings by a cut off date your last tournament of the season and use them to set your flights.**More Teams will play in your eventsfrom outside your league as they willsee it as a big GS payout - which will makeless travel for teams in the league.**Who cares about the ECNL and RCL teamswill play their State NCS for the USYSA branch anyway -you can try to make your open Cup a direct qualifier to US Club national Cup.**Your NPL teams can play 4/5 crossover games per season fall/Spring to get them their 8/10 games instead of 2 divisions you can have one table Just some ideas - belowis what your top 4 flights would look like this spring.EDP CHAMPIONSHIPGS#06 NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPANGS#18 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE)GS#19 NJ WILDCATS GALAXYGS#20 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F14 (PAE)GS#30 SJEB '01G NPLGS#37 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUEGS#38 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)GS#41 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPLGS#47 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)GS#54 REAL NJSC SOUNDERSGS#56 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01EDP ELITEGS#58 GPS NJ CENTRAL U14GGS#73 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPLGS#74 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)GS#79 CESC CALVERT-ELITE CREW (MD)GS#83 TSF ACADEMY 01/02GGS#84 JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSIONGS#95 PDA SHORE FUSIONGS#107 HFC READY '01 (PAE)GS#122 DENVILLE PREMIER SOCCER LIGHTNINGGS#150 RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)GS#173 MERCER FC SPURSEDP PREMIERGS#180 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)GS#186 BEACHSIDE SC (CT)GS#191 SDFC SAMBA GS#196 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)GS#204 LAGRANGE RAGE (NYE)GS#209 SABA BROOKLYN CITY (NYE)GS#219 HBC SPARK (NYE)GS#230 WALL SC WAVEGS#241 FC BERNA LEGACY 01G GS#247 THISTLE COMETSGS#254 CAPITAL UNITED SC BLUE FORCE (NYE)EDP CLASSIC 1GS#272 HADDONFIELD SC LIGHTNINGGS#277 STA MORRIS UNITED 01GS#284 NHP WILDCATS LADY JAGUARS (NYE)GS#287 SEVERNA PARK BLACK THUNDER (MD)GS#288 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE)GS#291 ALLEYCATS ELITE NEKO 01/02-NPL (NYE)GS#293 SAC PREMIER BLUE (MD)GS#305 PERFECT TOUCH SA G01-02 (NYE)GS#311 STATEN ISLAND UNITED HOTSHOTS (NYE)GS#372 QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE NPL 02 (NYE)GS#387 FC COPA ACADEMY G01 NPL LIMA
I agree. Most teams will be changing. Who knows what teams will look like next year. There will be more girls than ever trying out at several different clubs this Spring because of it. I just wonder how these clubs will hold tryouts this year. In the past, some hold tryouts as early as late March and others not until May. If that stays the same I think we'll see a lot of players attending others team practices sooner than later to get looks.
Youth Soccer should also have a tryout pyramid - ECNL can't until May. butthey should be the first - if they want to be the top of the PyramidMarch - Should be ECNL tryoutsApril - Should be Elite team tryoutsMay - Should be Premier tryoutsJune - Should be Town/Classic tryoutsThis way all players can tryout for a spot at the top and if that doesn't work out they can move to the next level and so on. I'm just filled with ideas today.
Crush would not play if that is the division
5:01 Your idea has merit. But many would consider it elitist. There will always be a few classless parents will do what has worked for the last three years. Go to tryouts with their current team, tell everyone they have no plans of leaving and then leave for another team and make sure its to late for their current club to replace them.
4:13 By highly competitive, do you mean that highly competitive PAGS league? That must be where your team learns to play other high level teams and why your team does so well in tournaments like Bethesda. Have to admit I'm kind of jealous that our director doesn't put our team in PAGS, we have been wanting to play that perennial powerhouse Warrington Bombers for years.
12:25 How would you like me to classify teams that are less skilled than your team? If you are an F2 team and the other team is an F4 team, would that be considered a lower level team or less skilled? As soon as you get out of your pottery class, let me know.
6:28 That makes zero sense.
Must've got coal in his stocking this year.
It's okay, many people never can see the forest through all those frigging trees
2015 Tournaments that had a F1 with a max GS score of 10,000 with the order the teams finished inBethesda Premier Cup Girls - 2015Girls U14 Potomac 10,00012 +9 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 9 +1 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) 6 +3 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) 6 +2 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01-ECNL (MD) 4 +3 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE) 4 +1 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD)4 -1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ) 3 -2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL U14 (NJ) 3 -6 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 2 -1 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) 1 -4 CLEVELAND FC 01-02 ROYAL (ON) 0 -5 FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) -----------------------------------------------2015 WAGSGirls U14 Cup Flight 10,00015 +9 FC VIRGINIA ECNL 01 (VA)11 +3 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) 9 +7 CASL 01 CASL ECNL (NC) 6 +2 OAKWOOD SC (CT) 6 +1 FLORIDA ELITE 01/02 ELITE (FL) 5 +1 TOTAL FUTBOL ACADEMY TFA ELITE 01 (OS)4 -1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)3 -3 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) 1 -3 CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)1 -5 CREW JUNIORS ELITE (OS) 0 -8 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)------------------------------------------------2015 Spirit United Kickoff ClassicGirls U14 Championship 10,00035 +4 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA) 23 +4 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU14 ECNL (MA) 19 +4 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 17 +1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE) 13 -1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)15 +2 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) 12 +0 CESC CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) 10 -3 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) 8 -2 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE) 4 -5 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 3 -5 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD3 -7 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) -------------------------------------------------2015 NPL FinalsGirls U13 10,00015 +15 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)10 +8 JFC STORM 01/02 (FL)7 +1 FC PORTLAND ACADEMY-01G-ECNL (OR)7 -2 PDA NORTH DRAGONS 01 NPL (NJ)5 +3 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ)4 +1 ELITE GIRLS ACADEMY MAROON 01/02 (NE)4 +1 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)3 -2 EAGLES WHITE (CAS)2 -1 OKLAHOMA FC OFC 02 (OK)1 -4 FC ALLIANCE 02G NPL (TN)0 -8 FC VIRGINIA FCV AUFC NPL '01 (VA)0 -12 BATON ROUGE BRSC 02 G BLACK (LA)--------------------------------------------------2015 Annual FC DELCO Players CupGirls U13 Championship 10,00043 +9 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA) 33 +4 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)28 +2 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)20 +4 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)14 +0 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA) 13 -1 WAZA FC EAST 02 JUNIORS (MI) 11 -5 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 10 -1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE) 9 - 1 CREW JUNIORS ELITE (OS) 6 - 4 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL (PAE) 5 - 3 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD) 2 - 4 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) -------------------------------------------------2015 NEFC Preseason Tournament Girls U13 Gold 10,00030 +5 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA) 28 +10 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)18 +2 FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01 (CT)17 +12 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA) 9 -4 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02 (NH)7 -2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)4 -14 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 (RI) 2 -8 FC BOLTS CELTIC GU13-GREEN (MA) --------------------------------------------------2015 Jefferson Cup Girls Girls U13 Championship 10,00036 +8 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 27 +7 CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)16 -3 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)6 - 2 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA) 5 - 3 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)9 - 1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE) 9 - 1 TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS) 9 - 4 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)
deep man deep....
Thanks for posting the teams and how they finished in each tournament. But PA Classics wasn't listed in top ten for Bethesda. They spent a brutal fall battling through a tough PAGS league in preparation for Bethesda and even blew off the PAGS playoffs to be there.
Jefferson Cup order is incorrect as 3 teams tied with 9 points should be ahead of Calvert with 5 and BRYC with 6.
8:47 you sound like an angry PAC hater, which post pissed you off? If PAC is so bad why point out how bad they are? Results take care of that right? Must be a PU parent or Kosta himself....PL parent? Many of you posters here need a life of your own and stop living vicariously through your daughters
75% of the posts on this board are junk. You just have to laugh it off and picture the ignorant weenie sitting there writing it. It helps, trust me :)
So how about a New Year's resolution?"I will use this post to uplift the sport for my daughter and her future and I will find a hobby for myself"Happy New Year!! :)
This board is not about uplifting iyr daughter's sport, our daughter's do that on their own and uplift our spirits by watching them and the amazing things they do. I believe almost everyone on here uplift's the sport by the time and commitment they put in and how much they care. This board is nothing more than is opportunity to exchange thought's about our daughter's team and possible knowledge about other soccer related issues. Part of the fun of this board is the smack talk that goes on during the season and after it. If you think your conversation on here is in some way "uplifting the sport", then you are indeed a pretentious ass. The administrator has created a great board for all to speak and has given a pretty free latitude to all. Any "uplifting" related from anything on this board is simply a gift in the form of a laugh or chuckle, which many of the people on this board have the ability to cause. I know you only want to debate about "real" soccer issues plaguing our precious sport, but 365 days of listening to your mundane responses gets old. If posters want to talk smack to each other, so what! Some of us find it amusing, and if not, we simply scroll down. Keep doing the awesome job of taking your daughter to soccer practice and games, its one uplifting thing for the sport you can do.
I agree 9:02, well written, and borderline profound. Here is my uplifting thought for the day, no more talk about Pennsylvania soccer, how’s that??There is a new board just for them, whypennsoccersucks.com
9:06 that's the kind of post that makes ya laugh. And i'm a PA guy.
Love it!!!Lazy yet emphaticMust be NJ or NY
Some people are entertained easily.
9:06 and NJ/NY seems like everything outside of PDA is horse and pony show in NJ. At least I can say PA teams have many strong Non-ECNL teams playing at high levels. Interesting fact since I'm not a GS guy but if you short top 25 in region 1 on GS I see 9 PA teams in the Top 25 comparable to 6 in NJ and 3 from NY. So I think PA has a lot more talent players around in my point of view.
and some people have a soccer ball stuck up there ass....
"their" assWhere's the U50 English class blog for NJ/NY?
You guys are way too defensive, and grammatically correct. I for one, have much respect for the people of Pennsylvania, they have really cool trucks, and at the hotels, at night, some of them really know how to get a tournament started...Yehaw!!!
11:13Nice. I might of ritten that comment two, but i think its pretenshus too correct other peoples grammer. Even if there from new York.Bye the way, I think that might of ben the crazed wile cat mom who talks two the offishuls the hole game.
WoooZaaaa! NJ soccer is the best at least look at what Rutgers has done.
blah blah blah...Don Imus already talked about this...
WoooZaaaa! Look how many US National players have been produced from NJ.
WoooZaaa! Oy vey! Less than NY
Jeff Cup brackets are out...NJ Moms FieldNJ Wildcats Averbuch PDA Dragons As far removed as possiblePDA Ajax STA Morris United As far removed as possibleNJ Crush Tsunami NJSA Galaxy As far removed as possible
Using the top 2015 GS tournaments with 10,000 pts and converting everything to 6 = Win3 = Tie1 = per goal up to 31 = shutoutand then taking an average to make it apples to applesAVG - (Tournaments) - Pts - GD - Team39.0 (3) 117 +38 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA) 37.6 (3) 113 +21 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 32.5 (2) 65 +9 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)21.0 (1) 21 -2 PDA NORTH DRAGONS 01 NPL (NJ)19.0 (1) 19 +2 OAKWOOD SC (CT) 18.0 (3) 54 +16 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU14 ECNL (MA) 18.0 (1) 18 +2 FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01 (CT)17.2 (4) 69 +4 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL (PAE) 16.5 (4) 66 +1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)16.0 (4) 64 -2 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)15.0 (3) 45 +3 TOTAL FUTBOL ACADEMY TFA ELITE 01 (OS)15.0 (1) 15 +1 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)14.0 (1) 14 +1 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD)12.9 (5) 64 +1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)12.0 (2) 24 -1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) 11.5 (2) 23 -1 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD) 11.0 (1) 11 +1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ) 10.5 (2) 21 +1 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE) 10.0 (1) 10 -1 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) 10.0 (1) 10 -1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE) 9.0 (1) 9 -2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL U14 (NJ) 9.0 (1) 9 -4 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02 (NH)7.2 (3) 23 -16 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 7.0 (1) 7 -2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)6.6 (3) 20 -6 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)6.5 (2) 13 -6 CREW JUNIORS ELITE (OS) 4.0 (1) 4 -14 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 (RI) 3.0 (1) 3 -5 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD3.0 (1) 3 -7 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) 2.0 (2) 4 -7 FC FREDERICK '01 (MD)2.0 (1) 2 -8 FC BOLTS CELTIC GU13-GREEN (MA) 0.0 (1) 0 -8 FC VIRGINIA FCV AUFC NPL '01 (VA)0.0 (1) 0 -8 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)Merry Christmas and happy New Year
I couldn't find the brackets. Can you share? thank you.
1:14 I think that post was part of the continuing PA vs NJ entertainment...
Couple points, PA is a bigger state than NJ so it's pool of players is larger. Also, the ECNL clubs in the Eastern part of the state routinely have NJ kids on their rosters. PA has great players, but the history of soccer in NJ for the size of the state and the history is unmatched. On a somewhat related note. People wonder why NEFC has such good teams, it's player pool. That club is just much bigger than the NJ and PA Clubs. Now with their merger with Breakers, their pool just got huge. ECNL needs to watch that. Consolidation will both help and hurt the game and the development of players. There is an arms race and a lot of anxiety right now. ECNL could be pushing clubs to expand with consolidation in smaller geographic footprints and not by grabbing players from 100+ miles away. They want clubs to have PDA like complexes or better and it's easier to do that with local consolidation.
by State(Teams in F1) - PTS - GD(13) 183 -2 PAE(11) 143 -20 NJ(10) 245 +53 MA(10) 177 +6 VA(9) 64 -18 MD(2) 37 +4 CT(2) 20 -2 NYE(1) 9 -4 (NH)(1) 4 -14 (RI)17.2 (4) 69 +4 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL (PAE) 16.5 (4) 66 +1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)12.0 (2) 24 -1 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 (PAE) 10.5 (2) 21 +1 1776 UNITED FC XTREME (PAE) 3.0 (1) 3 -7 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) 21.0 (1) 21 -2 PDA NORTH DRAGONS 01 NPL (NJ)16.0 (4) 64 -2 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)15.0 (1) 15 +1 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)11.0 (1) 11 +1 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 01 NPL (NJ) 9.0 (1) 9 -2 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL U14 (NJ) 7.2 (3) 23 -16 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 39.0 (3) 117 +38 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA) 32.5 (2) 65 +9 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE (MA)18.0 (3) 54 +16 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU14 ECNL (MA) 7.0 (1) 7 -2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)2.0 (1) 2 -8 FC BOLTS CELTIC GU13-GREEN (MA) 14.0 (1) 14 +1 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD)11.5 (2) 23 -1 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)6.6 (3) 20 -6 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)3.0 (1) 3 -5 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)2.0 (2) 4 -7 FC FREDERICK '01 (MD) 37.6 (3) 113 +21 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA) 12.9 (5) 64 +1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA)0.0 (1) 0 -8 FC VIRGINIA FCV AUFC NPL '01 (VA)0.0 (1) 0 -8 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)19.0 (1) 19 +2 OAKWOOD SC (CT) 18.0 (1) 18 +2 FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01 (CT)10.0 (1) 10 -1 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) 10.0 (1) 10 -1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (NYE) 9.0 (1) 9 -4 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02 (NH)4.0 (1) 4 -14 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02 (RI)
11:39 Don Immus? The fact that you are listening to Don Immus makes anything to say irrelevant from this point on. Isn't Immus like 75 years old? he wasn't even interesting when he was young.
1:56 Sorry but your point is invalid PA East is much smaller than all of NJ. AS the quality if PA players only stretch as far up as Lehigh and as far West to PAC & PL to Southern Philly. The assumption many forget is that they pull players from Delaware and SJ. As for NJ they quality players from the entire state from Up North, South and Shorelines. So it's a valid point that both areas are producing players now, just look at the number of Players being pulled into the national pool.
2:44 makes a good point. Even Penn State, which could easily select players from western PA, goes into Ohio(2) instead. 16 of their players are from PA(8), VA(4), NY(2), Conn(1) and NJ(1). They do have one player from western PA, but the rest are all from State College and into Eastern PA. Is there a similar separation NJ, NY like there is in PA?
Keep making fun of EDP - Like I said if they play their cards right they can play a major part in the women's game. GREAT WORK don't forget PRO/REL keep an open pyramid!!!!!UWS NEWS RELEASE: Wednesday December 16, 2015UWS to Form National Pro-Am Women’s Soccer League in 2016East Brunswick NJ – United Women’s Soccer (UWS) is pleased to announce the formation of a new pro-am women’s soccer league, sanctioned by US Soccer through USASA, which will commence its inaugural season in Spring 2016.In addition to providing a platform for some of the nation’s best female talent, the UWS plans to promote the women’s game to younger players, gaining a fan base that will help grow support for women’s soccer not just throughout the USA and Canada, but worldwide.The league will begin an open application process within the next few weeks. UWS has appointed EDP as administrators who will oversee the application process from interested parties, as well as the marketing responsibilities and day-to-day operations.EDP President Steve Shilling said: “We’re extremely excited to be playing a part in the formation of UWS. This is an important component of the soccer model in America, and in particular for advancing the women’s game. UWS is the perfect complement as it completes our progression from pre-teens through to college and beyond. With the founding members as a solid base, we look forward to working with other adult women’s clubs around the nation.”UWS is pleased to announce the addition of eight teams in the East and will now focus on adding a West region for play in its inaugural season. The clubs listed below have all been a part of the founding operations to date. League spots will be designated to aspiring second division clubs under US Soccer who meet predetermined criteria relevant to developmentally-appropriate standards of facilities and infrastructure.New England Mutiny – MANew York Magic – NYLong Island Rough Riders – NYTSF Academy – NJNew Jersey Copa FC – NJLancaster Inferno – PALaval Comets – Quebec Canada *Quebec Dynamo – Quebec Canada ** Subject to Canadian Soccer Association approvalUWS Board Member Peter Zaratin said: “Having participated in a similar league in the past, the Long Island Rough Riders are excited to continue to play our part in the advancement of the women’s game in this country by providing a platform for the nation’s talented female players to perform and progress.”EDP will be facilitating schedules, disciplinary procedures and are welcoming interested applicants to contact EDP Executive Director of Operations: Jen Marcella (firstname.lastname@example.org) for more information.About UWSUnited Women’s Soccer (UWS) aspires to be a national second division league under US Soccer divided into regional conferences. The playing pool consists of both collegiate and aspiring professional players providing a platform for the nation’s most talented female soccer players to perform.About EDPEDP exists to offer soccer programs which are professionally managed with player development as their primary focus, and thereby to support the growth of soccer in the United States. EDP seeks to work with clubs that, while competing with each other, are ready to be part of a congenial and mutually supportive group that works together to promote the game and serve the needs of high potential players.
This is doomed to fail, you heard it here first. The ONLY way a female league could succeed in this country is if the MSL creates a female version of their brands, its that simple. The big European clubs all have female teams using their name recognition to draw talented players, we should do the same. Sorry that you copy and pasted so much.
Why do we always have to follow the "European Model"? If we did everything their way we would all have bad teeth and allow elderly women to walk around topless (German swimbods are not pretty). Besides, EDP will never fail, especially since they are headquartered in Brunswick NJ. Only good things come out of Brunswick.
Agreed the Euro-model doesn't work well on the women's side, last I've seen is US women's have dominated the World Cup and Olympics correct? But EDP won't fail there just expanding their league into a older above 18 which is nice for girls that play in college to somewhere to go in the off-season. Similar to what USWNT players do when they go back and play at NWSL(National Women's Soccer League)
ECNL TO become 2nd tier League!!http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/sources-u-s-soccer-set-to-launch-girls-development-academy-in-2017-relegating-ecnl-to-second-tier/
2:34 I know you're dense but you know the Imus post referred to a comment he made a few years back about the Rutgers lovely long haired ladies...he was only like 70 back then so there...
6:34I think most of us suspected this was coming...hence the need for BYCGood news for girls, shame it wasn't sooner...
IRONIC"The federation’s leadership may have felt compelled to create their own league in light of the keen rivalry between US Club Soccer, the sanctioning body of which the ECNL is a member, and US Youth Soccer, the larger incumbent which is home to most of the country’s recreational players but also offers elite competitions like National League and the “premier leagues” of its four regional subdivisions."
Does the dog wag the tail or the tail wag the dog over at US soccer. yikes.
US Soccer Development AcademyRegion1 - Club Listing Boyshttp://academy.demosphere.com/Clubs/index_E.html*** ECNL & Boys DA team - I think these clubs are safe *** Albertson SC*** Bethesda-Olney*** Continental FC DELCO*** Match Fit Academy FC*** Players Development Academy*** Richmond United*** World Class FCMLSD.C. UnitedMontréal Impact FC New England Revolution New York Red BullsNYCFCPhiladelphia UnionNPLLehigh Valley UnitedNJCSANew York Soccer Club Oakwood Soccer ClubPrince William CourageSeacoast UnitedOthersBaltimore ArmourBaltimore Bays ChelseaBeachside SCBW Gottschee AcademyCedar Stars AcademyEmpire RevolutionFC Boston BoltsMet OvalPA ClassicsSoccer Association of Columbia
9:43Curious how you come up with these results/opinions?
Does anybody believe this will have any effect on the overall value of how college coaches look at ECNL teams, and their desire to select players from them? Doubt it, and that is really all that matters.
10:13Wouldn't that depend on what happens to ECNL clubs? I suspect DA clubs would pull from a larger geographic area, perhaps rendering ECNL obsolete?I would think the existing, solid boys DA clubs would naturally bring on girls DA?
9:55 - by looking at the Boys DA teams and then looking at the ECNL Clubs that everyone agrees on that it is the top of the pyramid currently for girls. It is foolish to think these clubs won't be offered a spot - will they accept is another story.*** ECNL & Boys DA team - I think these clubs are safe *** Albertson SC*** Bethesda-Olney*** Continental FC DELCO*** Match Fit Academy FC*** Players Development Academy*** Richmond United*** World Class FC10:03 if this is true a DA is created you can expect all the players that came to ECNL to play at the top of the pyramid to move to the DA club and if that happens you can expect all the top soccer schools to start looking at those clubs. In other words ECNL will become NPL.Did ECNL moving to the top of the pyramid on the girls side stop coaches from going to ODP? No, so I agree nothing will change :)
28 = Boys DA8 = NY4 = MD4 = PA4 = NJ3 = VA2 = MA2 = CT1 = NH17 = ECNL3 = PA3 = NY3 = VA2 = CT2 = NJ2 = MA2 = MDSo I agree 100% with 10:19 - I think the Girls side willhave more clubs from NJ and PA than NY Clubs that can benefit from this not currently in the ECNLwe can easily see1 PDA2 MF3 NJCSA4 NJ Wildcats5 STA 6 SJEB7 SKY BLUE / FC Copa8 PF9 CFC Delco10 FC Bucks11 YMS12 PAC13 LVU14 Albertson15 World Class16 Empire United17 NYSC18 ISA19 Boston20 FC Stars21 GPS22 FSA23 CFC24 Oakwood25 Richmond United26 FCV27 McClean28 BRYC29 PWSI30 Bethesda31 MD United32 SAC
Heard MFA lost their DA on the boys side last year in all but one Age Group.
In PA PAC will likely become a DA and Continental. Talk about shaking things up. The only reason I can see top girls staying on a team like PF with this news is if they want to play HS soccer.
With GS manually adding all events and the PDA event not being re-added below are your year end GS rankingsMA30096 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U14 ELITE23296 NEFC ELITE U14 GIRLS16227 GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 01/0215491 FC BOSTON BBA GU14 ECNL 12406 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL-------------------------------------------------NJ22474 NJCSA ELITE-MANALAPAN18600 NJ WILDCATS GALAXY16152 SJEB '01G NPL15285 NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE14734 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL-------------------------------------------------PAE19171 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER BANSHEES18604 1776 UNITED FC XTREME18314 PENN LEGACY 01 BLACK F1416980 PENN FUSION SA '01G NPL16430 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL-------------------------------------------------NYE15002 NEW YORK SC G0113807 ISA ATLETICO 01/02 NPL13552 MANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE NPL13102 MASSAPEQUA NPL LIL' ROWDIES11133 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL7946 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ-------------------------------------------------VA14507 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE 14388 FC VIRGINIA ECNL 0110878 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED5636 FC VIRGINIA UNITED ELITE 015198 LOUDOUN SOCCER LOUDOUN 01 G RED------------------------------------------------=CT13311 OAKWOOD SC11690 SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT10283 HAMDEN GINGA FC U13 GIRLS10069 CFC NORTH WOLVES U14G7993 YANKEE UNITED FC BLAST NPL-01 BLUE-------------------------------------------------MD12484 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 0111786 FC FREDERICK '0111599 CESC CALVERT-ELITE CREW7295 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01-ECNL6590 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER-------------------------------------------------
I am interested to hear ECNL's response to all of this. Is there any concern among current parents of players that play ECNL ball? Or is this something tha will only effect ECNL a few years down the road. All this conjecture about these teams going DA is interesting, but at this point, its still conjecture. Fact is ECNL still has the ear of college coaches and that is all that really matters to most.
12:06 I don't it will make a difference in PA as most parents think playing for their current clubs and ODP are better options than playing in ECNL the current top of the pyramid just look at CFC Delco and FC Bucks - no change there PAC benefits and maybe PF takes a little hit. NY will be the same if NYSC is added between them and WC they will take away from each other. Long Island already has 2 teams - if MetOval or BWG is added to Brooklyn/Queens not sure what that does. NJ is another story if they add more teams to DA than the 2 ECNL clubs the parents on the other teams need to worry because you will have players from 5 teams that most would consider 5 of the current top 10 teams in the state will look move and play in DA. Don't kid yourself if you think that won't happen. As far as ECNL as a league - they would become NPL a second tier team to the DA no questions. College Coaches will start at the top and then work their way down when filling their rosters when looking for players that didn't contact them as it is now only difference the top will be different.Those are my thoughts.
11:49 Training girls to play at a higher level for soccer has always been PF's goal. With these possible changes, that goal may become a reality.
12:57 every club wants to train their players and every club will take care of the top 3rd of it's players more!! Just some clubs do things differently and have larger or smaller player pools that's what makes them better - not the training.
My thoughts:With the BYC, players are possibly already considering their choices for next tryouts. I've seen many posts about this. It would then behoove clubs that are considering girls DA to publish as much as they know or desire before then. I would think this may help the decision making for girls who are questioning switching clubs...
Just one of those 5 New Jersey teams is a true top five
1:02 very valid 12:55 hereThe U.S. Soccer Federation will launch a girls’ equivalent of the Development Academy, the nationwide youth league of top clubs intended to groom future professional and national-team players.Multiple sources have confirmed to SoccerWire.com that U.S. Soccer is preparing to launch this new initiative in the fall of 2017. An official announcement could come as early as next month, when most of the U.S. soccer world gathers in Baltimore for the NSCAA ConventionWe will know soon. Think of all the money the ECNL is making as a league. You can bet the USSF/NWSL and MLS want that money instead of a Youth League. Rosters will be between 20 and 30 and free for DA players - you can't have it free on boys side and not girls side with a lawsuit.Region11. Washington Spirit - http://washingtonspirit.com/youth-academy/2. Western New York Flash - http://www.wnyflash.com/academy/philosophy/3. Sky Blue FC (FC Copa)- https://leagueathletics.com/Default.asp?org=skybluereserve4. Boston Breakers - http://www.bostonbreakersacademy.com/These 4 are in no doubt - the others will be interesting to see.What will this do for FC Copa as their NPL team is D2 in EDP - I would worry if I was on this team and they became a DA.1:24 that is my point if any of those clubs/teams become a DA they will have many rosters pots that will switch players
It just means more money for PDA. As they will have a DA on the girls side and an ecnl team with promises to be brought up if your daughter is good enough.The ECNL side will have 30 girl rosters because parents are paying and the DA side will have 16 -18 player rosters because the club is paying.The current sham about large rosters being for competitive reasons will be finally come to light.
1:01 What the hell are you talking about. Most teams only care about the top 3rd? Training doesn't matter, its more about the size of the player draw? You and your daughter must have been associated with a very bad team and had a horrible experience. True most teams do not want to lose their top players, but do the one that are not receive less training? Does the coach make them stand on the sidelines while the better players train? On the average our club and the ones surrounding receive 45 to 60 players at each tryout for each age group, the numbers never seem to have a bearing on whether or not that age group manages to field a strong team. But a great coach seems to get the best out which ever group he or she gets. Why, because their training methods are sound and the players take their training seriously. Lets not forget that most of the players you describe as the "top 3rd", are often the top 3rd because of how much time they put in on their own away from the club.
2:53Top players are treated differently at most clubs. and yes they may be giving more training opportunities.Soccer Nut
The ECNL will make ~ 700,000 in application fees for their 5 events.Tell me again why girls can't play for free?The USSF/NWSL/MLS see this as an opportunity to cash in on the Girls Youth Soccer Cash Cow. Even if the parents have to pay the application fees 20 players at 1,000 per event is $50 per player plus the travel they have to pay for anyway. This can work and if they were smart they would jump in on the tournament business as well. For exampleExample: Bethesda Premier Cup Girls - 2015 had 590 teams at 1,000 per team that's 590,000 the club made. The two Jefferson Cup Tournaments in 2015 had 647 teams at 1,000 that's another 647,000 the club can make.If these were Washington Spirit Events all that money would go to the club.They would keep 247,000 and pay the 30 players on their roster ~30,000 on top of their salary. This is how you can grow the women's game.2:53 don't pretend - every team has impact players (top 3rd) - core players (middle 3rd) and roster depth (bottom 3rd) not all players are created equal. A DA is for National Level and Professional level players their goal is to to build these types of players that will also make great college players, this is why they don't want their players playing HS soccer. They want them training 5 to 6 times a week like in Europe. Who's going to complain if that's all for free? Only the players that don't want soccer to be part of their life.
Thank you Mr Soccer Nut.
Which top clubs are giving this "extra training" to the top 3rd? I agree that some may send girls to NTC training, but the player must then manage to stay on the team. So what is this extra training the top third is receiving form the club? Are they holding secret practices on Sunday during church hours (but only for the top third)? I knew PF was doing something behind everyone's back. Does the coach say at practice "ball striking practice at 7pm, but only for the top 3rd"? Or do they just wait until the other two thirds of the team have left the parking lot?
"I agree that some may send girls to NTC training" must be the middle and bottom 3rd they send so they can get better right?
@ 4:13.You should get out more.
DA 1011. Does an Academy Club have to field a team in the U-15/16 and U-17/18 division to participate in the Academy? Yes. Clubs must field a team in both Academy age groups.2. Which teams participate in 10-month programming and do not allow high school participation? The entire Academy program does not participate in high school programming.3. Are there any rules specific to rosters? Each club must have a minimum roster of 32 full-time players and no more than 46 full-time players at the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups combined. 4. Which age groups compete in the Development Academy? The program currently utilizes three (3) mixed age groups for competition: U-13/14, U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups. Clubs competing in the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups must field teams at both age levels.5. How many games are played and how long is the Academy season? Each Academy team plays approximately 30 league games, including 6-9 games played at Showcases. Teams that advance from the Academy Playoffs could expect to play up to additional 3 games. The season begins in September and commences with Championships in July. Clubs will break from league play for periods of inactivity due to weather or the end of the season.6. The league is comprised of seven (7) divisions that make up the three (3) conferences at the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups:East Conference >> Northeast, Atlantic, SoutheastCentral Conference >> Frontier, Mid-AmericaWest Conference >> Northwest, Southwest7. How many clubs are in the Development Academy and where are they located? There are currently 94 clubs that participate at the U-13/14 age group (83 league and 11 non-league) and 74 clubs that participate in the program at the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age levels for 2015-16. Academy clubs are located throughout the country from markets with a history of National Team player production, and for the younger age group the clubs are based in key markets that minimize the amount of travel and costs for league play.8. How does a club apply to become a member of the Development Academy? Applications will be available on the website in the fall of 2016. What criteria are used to evaluate membership applications? Applications will be evaluated using the following measures: National Team coach analysis,History of elite youth player development, History of success in elite competitions, GeographyImpact on existing Academy members
So, does participating in a DA require a player to forego all high school sports, or just soccer? If so, would a girls’ DA spell the end of the highly talented multi-sport athlete and the consequent cross-training benefits? I have always heard that colleges like to recruit multi-sport athletes such as the basketball playing soccer player who may have a better mental grasp of passing lanes and movement off the ball. MF has a quality player from PA (yes, traffic does flow both ways across the bridges) that is also an outstanding T&F athlete, which likely helps her soccer movement. If she went DA, would she have to give up high school track? As much as women’s sports have advanced, why move towards intentionally limiting options? The U.S. is not Europe, isn't diversity supposed to be a strength.
The DA wants to develop NT and pro soccer players. They want to train their players 5 days a week. This T&F star is going to have to pick a sport of do both but not as part of the DA system. If she is talented she won't need the DA to get to college many other options for that. The US will never be Europe when it comes to soccer. Europe is getting stronger and it would be foolish to think we won't take a hit. Did you watch the last China game we lost in the US to China!!! China not Germany or France China!!!! When was the last time our boys won anything in Soccer? There is a passion for the sport in Europe and with them now backing the girls game we are in trouble.
2015 UEFA European Women's Under-19 Championship had 7,230 in the stands for the final, which was a record for the competition. (Note this was to watch a u19 game!!!) The UEFA technical team were keen to note the extent to which the teams present in Israel trained and played along with their male counterparts at this stage of their development, marking that as an important phase in their progress both physically and technically. "Some of my players train with the boys but the preference of my federation is to be all-girls above the age of 15," said Denmark coach. The rising profile of women's football around Europe suggested a new layer of difficulty for coaches when it came to squad selection. While some of those present in Israel enjoyed an excellent relationship with clubs in terms of player release, there was an overwhelming sense that the development of the women's sport at club level was making such releases more problematic. (Note These players are playing professionally - not youth soccer).Mt point is when can sing we are the champions all we want and if ain't broke don't fix it. We didn't look strong in the group stage of the World Cup but our conditioning helped us stay fresher and we looked stronger the more we played and brought home the Gold. We lost to China at home and more alarming to me was the 2-2 draw vs Mexico at the 2015 CONCACAF Women's U-20 Championship and we only beat Canada 1-0 with a goal off of a goal is mistake made by the back up goalie in the 72nd minute.
They just updated 2016 Jefferson Cup Field AssignmentsPreliminary field assignments, these are subject to change as acceptances are determined.U14Championship = River City Sportsplex Elite = River City Sportsplex Superior = Stratton Park / Ukrops Park Platinum = VTSC Classic = Striker Park Premier = Dorey Par
1 more 2016 Jefferson Cup Girls Weekend rumor~ 88 teams if they do 8 per flight.U14F1 ChampionshipF2 Elite OrangeF2 Elite BlackF3 Superior OrangeF3 Superior BlackF4 Platinum OrangeF4 Platinum BlackF4 Platinum WhiteF5 Classic OrangeF5 Classic BlackF6 Premier
10:14 your concern over the US losing to China is a little overblown. Lets remember it was a friendly and they basically scraped their normal game trying to get AW a goal. Let take China for what they are, a good team with a cute keeper.
11:40 overblown you say? Did we not play China in Canada at the World Cup? yes we won that game by a 1-0 score. Now you want me to believe our girls forgot that and didn't want to win they wanted to get AW a goal. Dude we scored 1 goal in 180 minutes vs this team both games played in North America.SO 1 goal vs China in 180 minutes is okay to you with 90 minutes played at the World Cup?
11:40 one more question - you are okay with our WNT scoring 5 goals in 5 games vs the below teams (I gave you their rankings also).#17 China PR 0-1 L#17 China PR 1-0 W#18 Korea Republic 0-0 D#25 Colombia 2-0 W#37 Nigeria 1-0 WOkay I'm making a big to do about nothing.
Once DA is formed in 2017 as planned there willl be no more ECNL. The whole concept as to why ECNL exists will be a moot point.Why would those clubs be able to have a monopoly league anymore when that is based on freezing out all but member clubs to get the best players in exchange for exposing them to colleges at ECNL events? The top D1 Programs will certainly start drawing most of their players from the new DA and attending those events so why would parents subject their players anymore to all the drama, disapointment and anxiety that comes with rosters above 18? That ship will have sailed and they will no longer be able to sell that Koolaide.
Need to see the details. Depends how they do the DA. ECNL looks to be relegated. NEFC/Breakers move foreshadowed this. You have to think the pro clubs will be first DAs. Also, there will be other clubs as well just like on the boys side.
1:04 Yes you are. You are forgetting that China's game is not about possession. Its about great defense and making runs off of that. They probably commit to defense more than any other team. By the way, did you think that other countries were not going to improve? Even the US wins medals and improves at sports that are not our own. Have you seen our Curling teams lately?
My daughter must be going the multi-sport path and training for the Curling team. She spends way too much time in the bathroom in front of the mirror with a brush and that darn hot iron.
With all the speculation, also remember this...DA runs even years ie U12, U14, U16, U18. Your '01 daughter will be U16 fall 2016 therefore U17 fall of 2017 when DA supposedly comes to fruition. Hence to be on U18 DA team, your daughter needs to stand out or be U17 "pre-academy"For those of you concerned with school sports, your daughter has a choice to not play DA if the other sport is important to her. Most existing boys DA clubs have "elite" teams
Who will Sky Blue partner with to start their DA? Also, in next 30 days you will likely hear some news about consolidation from local ECNL clubs looking to strengthen their hand to become a DA. Going to be chaotic for the kids. Important we focus on the right reasons for playing.
12/30 4:13 you are really trying to stir the pot, aren't you?
10:58 FC Copa already runs their reserve teams. I would think they become the SKY blue academy team or NYCFC takes over Skyblue and moves them to the city.8:08 that is exactly my point other countries are getting better - I listed Asia/Africa they don't exactly have the club powerhouses that Europe has. So China packed everyone - well they took away our direct game didn't they? I guess we showed how creative we are and how good we are at playing the game when we couldn't break them down. That is my point pal. The athletic teams always wins unless the other team can make them play soccer and expose their lack of talent.
11:03 no pot to be stirred. Just thought that the claim was a little silly. The top third (which i don't even like saying) become so because of the incredible amout of work they have put in away from the club and well before the U14 stage. Penn Fusion has many great athletes that can fly all over the field, but the best ones at that because of their own work ethic and the parents commitment. Not because the club is sneaking them extra training time. Pretty sure its the same with the Wildcats, PAC, PL and any other top team.
What the heck? Would love to know where your information comes from. Any extra time girls are putting in is their own doing. Not with the PF coaches.
12:20 That's what I just said. Did you misread my post?
"I knew PF was doing something behind everyone's back.."
If NYCFC gets in the Girls DA (and they might) especially if the the men’s senior team is competitive this summer, look for club affiliate girls to get first, and longer looks for the program. Beachside Soccer ClubBW Gottschee Downtown United SCLI Rough Riders Manhattan Soccer Club Metropolitan OvalNew York Soccer Club South Bronx United Staten Island UnitedTSF Academy World Class FC
1:09: The original post was tongue in cheek. The poster was saying that PF does not have added training for some girls behind the backs of others.
All the players who are giong to go on and be successful at the top D1 level are training outside of their 2 club practices a week with their team. Most are doing skill work outside and physical training outside of team.
SKY Blue and PDA have a very close relationship. I would think any DA would include these two as partnering up. If indeed PDA even needs that
Thank you 1:19 I really thought that was kind of obvious
2:14 then why isn't PDA running the reserve team? why is FC Copa running the reserve team?
Isn't NJ Wildcats affiliated with Sky Blue already. http://www.njwildcats.com/home/618781.html
Because that is mutually beneficial at this point for both clubs.(Copa and Sky blue) PDA is Juggernaut. Their connections between the clubs are at the highest level. If the relationship becomes mutually beneficial then obviously all would change. But I assume PDA would get any academy status before SKY BLUe.The organization is so strong in soccer circles and they already have DA on the boys side.Sky Blue is barely financially viable at this point
FC Copa to Operate Official Sky Blue FC Reserve TeamMORRISTOWN, N.J. (Tuesday, Mar. 3, 2015) – Sky Blue FC of the National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL) announced today a partnership with FC Copa Academy, a prominent soccer development academy that is based in New Jersey. As part of the affiliation, FC Copa will manage the official Sky Blue FC Reserve Team in a co-branded agreement, which will play a season concurrently with the full professional side.No one said Sky Blue - FC Copa will get it as they run the reserve team.NWSL before a youth club any day of the week pal. Any girl would be lucky to play for Sky Blue and would have to be really good to get drafted.My predictions for Girl DAsPDA >>> Boys DA and ECNLMF >>> Boys Da and ECNLNJCSA >> Boys DA and NPLFC Copa >> Sky Blue partner not affiliateSJEB
Hate to rain on your parade of hope but pretty good sources say only two in NJ.RedBulls and PDA.NYCFC in New York for sure. Not confirmed about the rest.
The coaches of the top colleges always mentioned on this board will now be recruiting the top players at DA events, just like on the boys side. There will no longer be any reason for ECNL to exist and certainly no reason to be on their teams with rosters of over 18. That ship has sailed.Therefore the cash cow that ECNL has become for those ECNL Clubs because oif those 20-25 players paying dues is over for those clubs. What's more if they want to be part of the DA, they will now have to fund those DA Teams if they are not pay to play. If you own stock in an ECNL Club better sell it quick. Looks like a case of insider trading at NEFC/Breakers.Also expect the best coaches from ECNL and NPL to now look to move to the new DA Teams, especially those college coaches who also coach at elite club level. They will want to move to DA to continue to interact with the best potential recruits.
How is having 2 DA teams different from having 2 ECNL teams in NJ.
Same players on the DA team as currently on the ECNL teams. And all of the other clubs trying to prove their relevance (even harder now).
If you think that the players on the ecnl teams are just sliding to. DA team you are mistaken.DA will be tryout based and 1/2 the ecnl girls will not move forward to DA. They will take the best of the best from the current team and all others will remain on ecnl. It will be a true elite team with the best in the region on DA. This is one more step in the pyramid which separates those at the true top from everyone else. Also if academies become DA in new locations, players may move to a more convenient DA academy. New options will definitely be out there combined with birth year change it will be a whole new landscape.
Matchfit is in trouble of losing DA status
11:50They will be free so it will attract the best from far and wide.No pay to play. It will create equal opportunity based on talent only.
Like I said, NYCFC will be the place to be on this side of river, look for many players to apply, including the LI girls and the Southern Conn. girls. Putting together a super-team will both magical, and heartbreaking, can only think of our situation, but she is on one of the best affiliates, so I know the training that she has had for the last 2 years has been exceptional, now its all up to her.Good luck to all in 2016, its going to be a wild ride....
Sameplayers on DA as current ECNL, not in NJ.The 2 ECNL Teams in this age group play outside ECNL cocoon as seldom as possible as whenever they step outside the results have not been great.Hard based results to imagine their top 18 are top 18 in NJ.Also players at bottome of extended rosters will no longer be willing to sit out events to be part of ECNL Teams that no longer have events that are attended by the most college coaches, That crowd, especially thej coaches at the Stanfords, Notre Dames, UNC's, Virginia's, Penn State's, Duke's etc. will now be 3 deep on sidelines at DA events. And those rosters of no pay to play players will be capped at 18 so only the few very best will make it. The wannabes will no longer be welcome just because they are willing to write checks in exchange for a large serving of KoolAide(ie:BS). the entire landscape will be changing between DA and Birth Year Teams. This is a great change for parents and their kids as the DA will not be about $$$ like ECNL but strictly about development and identification.
It would be hard to believe that the ECNL powers that will not find a way to counter this new issue facing a possible loss of revenue. Money begets money and this cash cow will not be given up easily. How long ago before ECNL came along as the next great thing, did EPD show itself as the brightest light in world of soccer? There is way to much profit to be made and its only a matter of time until the next big draw comes along. Soccer parents are use to spending big bucks on soccer, if you really think someone is saying that they have no interest in your money, your a fool.
So 36 players. What about most of the girls whose parents post on this blog going to play?
So the college coaches will switch from watching ECNL events to DA events? Again what is the difference? Why would a girl play and travel to a DA practice facility and not an ECNL facility?
The DA would be free.
Yes Free does indeed change everything!Soccer Nut
I don't see the logic of MLS clubs having girls academies.
Free doesn't change much. Most on this blog will pay anything to get their girl on any top team.
3:17 The ECNL made it becasue there was no Girls DA - so they became the unofficial DA by following the DA's guidelines. Their problem is that they US Club Soccer didn't play nice with USYSA. Each wanted to be number 1. EDP could have been really nice- but they dropped the ball in my opinion. ECNL will become flight 1 of the NPL.1. Girls DA2. ECNL / National League3. NPL / RCL4. EDP / NYPL / NEPL /ASL5. PAGS / JAGS / WAGS / LIJSL4:02 I agreeDA=FreeRosters = Each club must have a minimum roster of 32 full-time players and no more than 46 full-time players at the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups combined. They will all max out to keep players away from the others - so when a kid doesn't play it costs the parent zero dollars no reason to be upset. If they don't likei t they can go be a star and pay 2k a year.The top players will move from ECNL to DA why wouldn't they it's free. If the girl's DA is pay to play you can bet there will be many hours in a court room.PDA is ECNL team will become DA and all those parents will save lots of money.
I agree. Everyone is paying $2-3k per year for their girls team. If most of the college coaches are gong to ECNL games now why wouldn't you play for them?
Because the college coacvhes will no longer be at the ECNL events you fool. They will all be at the DA events with all the best players they want to recruit. The new DA being free will also open up slots for great athletes who have not had the $$ in the past. Elite soccer at the youth level will no longer be for primarily suburban well to do families and their children. Don't kid yourself that is part of the driving force for the DA's on both the girls and boys side.
4:16 and 4:45. I do enjoy your Utopian thought process that know parents will no longer have to pay for their daughter's to play top flight soccer. Can you also inform me of when anything US soccer related has had no price tag attached? The full DA program has not even been released yet and your making assumptions of butterflies and rainbows. Free is always awesome and the top percentage of players often receive that anyway, so where will the change be?
What number or percentage of a DA's players would be GKs?
I agree. Need details. Lets start with the math, boys DA has 3 ages, ECNL has 5. Reality is only 30% of current ECNL players will make the DA. ECNL has about 1800 players in each age group. There are about 2300 D1 soccer players per class. Still going to be a lot of college coaches scouting the B league. Youth Soccer world gets together in 2 weeks. Should know more.
4:45, it will be many years when our girls are long gone before this utopia you talk about where girls will come from all walks of life. The initial DA players will come from the ECNL where most of the talent is at this point. Don't be fooled that in this is not true now. My point is that college coaches are now going to ECNL games and that is where most of the recruits are coming from. Why would you not send your daughter there now (prior to a DA) if she is D1 material? The cost of all the teams that are mentioned in this board are pretty much the same. Why is creating a DA gonna make kids travel hours to get to where the DA practice if they won't do it now?
In total, the Final Four featured 68 players that played in the ECNL as youth players:Duke – 20 ECNL AlumsFlorida State – 5 ECNL AlumsPenn State – 18 ECNL AlumsRutgers – 25 ECNL AlumsNot only is the ECNL the broadest path to the top college women’s soccer teams and conferences in the country, the rosters of the best of the best in these programs are also ECNL Alums. The top four college teams in the country are dominated by ECNL Alums.
In Europe, boys can go to a professional club academy free of charge. However, the club owns specific rights over the players that develop into stars. A few successful players pay for the entire academy. It is nice that top female players here the the U.S. will be able to attend DAs free of charge. The professional women's clubs here are not making money hand over fist. How will the DA be funded?
Corporate sponsorships and men''s Professional club alliances and deep pocket clubs like PDA is my best guesstimate.
So the B, C and D side parents pay for the DA? Nice.
Ecnl means nothing anymore except to pluck the very few that fell through the DA cracks. DA will be your national players and players that go pro. ECNL will be 1/2 step above NPL. That's why DA has been formed, to find to cream of the crop. Will simulate national call ups. Will be very hard to make the DA team.
The major difference is that it will be free that's true, but also it will be focused on development and will not be focused on finding ways to get parents separated from their $$$.Those few who have the goods will make it and have a clear path to the elite college programs and to the National Teams for the cream of that crop. Again those who are wannabe's will no longer be welcome, regardless of how deep their parents pockets are and that is a majopr difference from what we have now with ECNL, which at its core is a money maker for those clubs.In other words unlike the ECNL Clubs, the DA will not find a place for every player whose family is willing to write a check in exchange for a promise of someday having a shot a spot on the top team.
Many of those players the ECNL is claiming as their own did not go ECNL until U17 or U18.
The coaches who formed ECNL are going to move to work as coaches with the DA Teams and the ECNL Clubs will go back to being regular NPL clubs. Their entire sales pitch of them being the path to elite colleges will be impossible to put over now on even the most naive parents.
US Soccer is going to have to pay for it. They have the money, just surprised they want to spend it. The clubs do have costs though.
Lot of ECNL hate here. Pretty funny actually.
You have forgot one other great advantage for us. The DA Teams will not have parent coaches like the ECNl Clubs in NJ. Not sure if that's the case in other states so please enlighten us, but in NJ parent coaches have been an issue at the 2 ECNL Clubs all along. Of course this can't help but bring politics into the program and I'm sure the DA will not have parents of players involved in coaching their childs teams.
9:13 I not sure if its jealousy. I'm a non ecnl parent and I can tell you that there are only a handful of parents on our team that even think about ecnl. Many feel its financially beyond their reach or that they feel their daughters won't make the main squad anyway, so why bother. For most non ecnl parents, its more apathy than jealousy. I believe ecnl does offer greater advantages for upper tier players, so for those few that are highly skilled and can't afford the cost or time committed, yeah there might be a little jealousy.
What does USSF look for on the boys side of the DA? Same thing they will be looking for on the girls side, technically skilled players that are creative, fit, and relentless.
Have you ever seen the speed of play at the boys DA level? Its unbelievably fast, with every thing being challenged.
10:25, What added cost are the ECNL teams compared to other teams mentioned in this blog. They all are about the same cost?
ECNL will become a dinosaur. Just will no longer make sense for those who don't make the DA Teams.
The new DA and the end of ECNL will benefit the players and parents as monopolies are NEVER good for the consumer.
Ummm. Isn't a monopoly when there is only one choice? Parents don't have to choose ecnl for their kid.
Won't the new DA just replace the ECNL? The 'monopoly' will remain. The only difference will be the highest level players will need to be single-sport sooner. Also everyone excited about the free DA opening up to more players from varying economic backgrounds is mistaken. A parent still needs to be available to drive their kid to practice 4-5 X a week (1-2 hrs in rush hour). The people this works for are families where one parent works a lot and the other drives a lot. This only fits certain families. Also, families still need to pay for travel.
Unless the pay to play model is different for this DA how will it be that much different from what is available now? Talent resides in the player ans is developed by the player. No coach or club can learn anything for a player, they must do it for themselves. If the cost is controlled enough to make it available to a large player pool, it could get strong talent playing together and challenging each other - that is a valuable environment.
If and when the DA program goes through. They will hold a tryout and select the most qualified girls from their age groups. How did these girls become the most qualified? By the training they have received from the parents that have spent money having their daughter trained. Even if the DA program does not cost a dime, its still a huge expense just to go to practice and make the games. We have already discussed club cost on this blog and found that the club cost is secondary to all the other expenses that are spent during the year. Please stop the nonsense about how "everyone will have an equal chance", as it always is in the soccer world, some are more equal than others.
Reason #1 why DA will have advantage over any league:"USMNT forward Jordan Morris, who recently starred in Stanford's run to an NCAA College Cup championship. Seattle Sounders supporters are awaiting with baited breath to learn whether Morris will go pro with the club where he played his academy soccer."Homegrown player rule - for the players that want to play pro these are also the players that the NT will look at. In theory these are also the best players and where the top college soccer programs will look for their recruits.PDA will be a DA just like they are an ECNL club, their boys DA is doing well against MLS academies. MF might be in danger,but the USSF has always said "Academy clubs are located throughout the country from markets with a history of National Team player production" if NJ is truly a hot bed then they will have more than 2 clubs.PS don't kid yourself the same players playing ECN Lnow will play DA soccer just on different teams.
12:13 stop with the cost - if it's free parent's save 2k and if you have to drive 3 more times a week to practice who cares 2k saved!!!!! Players that couldn't afford the 2k will tryout - if they have size, speed and toughness they will get a look as every coach thinks they can develop players.
12:13 and 12:16 is the same guy, I just forgt to say 12:13 here with my 12:16 post.
12:17, or 12:16, or even maybe 12:13, keep telling yourself that, as if the only players with skill play ECNL, man you’re a true-believer, scary. The players that will succeed will be the ones with superior training up to this point, you cannot just turn-on the skills, its all about the training...and natural talent.
12:30 Good point on not being able to just "turn on the skill". Question for12:13 or 12:16 or 12:something. What is the basis of your post regarding why a DA coach wouldn't perfer taking the top players from an ECNL team? Every team has a couple excellent top line players (some more than other). I do agree that a DA would not care whether they were ecnl or not, but I'm sure PDA, PF and other ecnl top players are easily equal or better than SJEB, Wildcat, PL or PAC players. If anything, the ecnl teams are better trained regarding short possession techniques than their non ecnl counter parts. Which would look better in a coaches eyes? I am not discounting athletic teams like PL, BRYC or the Wildcats, but they do rely on that ability.
1:14 I never said they wouldn't take those players - I just think identifying youth talent, a coach analyzes how a player interprets the game, understands the game and their physical tools!!!They try to unite all three aspects and try to develop them to their full potential. I agree the culture of developing comes at the early ages, the coaches need to practice all the technical elements before they played to win. Such as, practice controls, all the parts of the foot with both feet, passing, basically all the technical elements before you play to win.The time to teach technical skills is over now pal - all players have what they have and the bigger and faster girls will always go further, sorry but that's how it is. Your assumption is that I'm saying the bigger and faster girls don't have skill - I never said that!!!
New Jersey current Top 5 PDA Storm ECNLNJ Wildcats Averbush EDPMatch Fit ECNLNJ Crush Tsunami NPLPDA Dragons NPL
11:26They may hold a tryout for ACADEMY but make no mistake - the list of names is already printedIt will be very tough to get noticed if you havent been involved with ODP, ECNL or both.And current coaches wont help you make that leap.
1:14 you are completely wrong. The #1 requirement for D1 coaches when scouting players is superior athletic ability.No amno t of skill can make a much slower and less athletic player have a higher ceiling than the great athlete.I am NOT saying a greaat athlete with little skill will get taken, but ALL the players from the top 3 or 4 teams in EPA, NJ, Mass have the required level of skill to play at a high level in college IF they are super athetes with size/ and pace or even just outstanding Pace. Go read the media guides from top 20 colleges and read their coaches quotes about what they look for in a potential recruit. They want great ATHLETES, just like the basketball coaches. Also look at SportSource.com as they have a very detailed college reference guide for potential recruits and many quotes from top college coaches about what it takes to play at each level. They all say the same thing, the difference between D1 ,D2 and D3 is speed, speed speed, combining speed of foot, speed of play and speed of thought, to play at the elite level you need all 3. If you are going to be a high level D1 defender you need to be able to keep up with,run with in order to mark some of the top athletes/forwards in the country(did you see how fast some of the forwards were in the final four?), if you are going to be a elite level college striker you need to be fast enough to get behind defenders or big and strong enough to be a target forward ad hold up the ball under extreme pressure, to be a major college midfielder you need to be able to hold your own in physical duels(tackling, heading, winning 50/50 balls) with the most athletic,strong and quick midfielders in the country(That is why they are playing at the higest level). Have you ever seen a game between teams on this site where 1 team was talented and skilled enough to compete but just got overrun in midfield because they didn't match up physically in size and speed and just couldn't win and keep the ball? Average athletes(average size AND pace) will be at D2 or D3 level. No different than the other speed/contact sports(football, basketball, soccer). Now if you are great in 1 area or the other, great pace or great size and strength and dominent in the air and winning balls then you don't need both. but you must be outstanding in at least one of those areas.
On the boys side transportation costs to and from training and games are provided if necessary, they completely scholarship all costs for needy families to allow all who are good enough to make DA play.So once again you are wrong, your deep pockets will soon mean nothing when your daughter tries out for the DA Team. She will have to sink or swim on her own. But look at the bright side, that is exactly what she will have to do if she is fortunate enough(stays healthy and motivated/ continues to develop an athletic body though puberty/has the natural talent and D1 physical tools to be recruited) the opportunity to play in college.
2:17 your inclusion of ODP in that statement is a joke. ODP at the U14 level has nothing to do with the top talent being there. Lets not rehash this tired old argument. Its nice that your daughter plays ODP and its nice that you can tell other parents "oh, we have to rush off to ODP practice". The real ODP starts at the U16 level and that's where talent almost equals money. My daughter plays ODP and at this level, its strictly a player filtering process combined with a process of financial attrition. Watch a practice and you can pick out which girls are attending strictly because their parents can afford all the events. Unless they make great strides or play a lot faster by U16, they won't be there. Harsh words for sure, but that is the truth about our game.
2:52Depends on where you want to go to schoolI recall teh Harvard coach finishing up his response with: "If after all that theya re also great athletes, all the better"This after stating that player obviously needs to be smart enough to do the coursework and in his eyes needs to be skillful.Ivies, Schmivies, you say? Whatever. Many top players in the state have ended up there.
3:03My daughter doesnt play ODPI include ODP since some top EDP/NPL players do go that route - and would have an edge on an EDP/NPL player that has yet to be in the systemNot comparing ODP with ECNL - dont have a cow,.Cheers.
Those that believe in club affiliations in regards to DA - look at what MLS thinks. If NWSL ever adopts this Homegrown rule just remember the below.NYCFC’s Homegrown claim on Jack Harrison has been rejected. As reported last week, NYCFC attempted to make a Homegrown claim on the 19-year-old Wake Forest midfielder based on his connection to club youth affiliate, Manhattan SC. Harrison met some Homegrown criteria, including the fact that he has played and lived in the area for several years. However, the affiliation itself was too weak a link for MLS to accept.
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