Thursday, January 23, 2014

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

Why would they flat out lie about that? If they did, I would be okay with it in some games, but they say they don't, so don't call bs unless you can prove it, can you?

Anonymous said...

I'm with PDA, the only time I have seen them do this is at older ages when they bring down some of their girls who play up an age in ecnl and they have big games. Other ecnl clubs do the same and why not? Every club would do the same if they could and had the players.

Anonymous said...

@6:51 can you tell us when this happened, u sound like you are in the know.

Anonymous said...

I think you mean 6:40. He can't find an example because it is not true. He is fishing against PDA all the time. He is the "50 Mike guy". And the "Ajax sucks" guy. Stop responding to his attempts to find anything he can against PDA.

Anonymous said...

Fact : PDA has 2 very good goalies at this age group. Instead of carrying 2 on Storm full time they are playing full games on either Storm or Dragons.

Last Saturday the "Storm" goalie played with the Dragons and shutout NJX. The "Dragon" goalie played with Storm vs pre ECNL Penn Fusion and shut them out.

This is a fact. NJX don't flatter yourself and think PDA is using better players to outplay you. It's called depth and development. You might want to google those 2 terms.

Anonymous said...

If you are going to call bs on someone, then back it up please. Most men do.

Anonymous said...

Funny stuff, where is 640 @?

Anonymous said...

Ignore NJX, they all got duped by Match Fleece. They were promised a lot of things and only 1 thing was true. Your next payment is due!!!!

"Mama says Stupid is what stupid does".
NJX got F Gumped!

Anonymous said...

Yes, NJX parents were sold a bill of goods and promised the world by Match Fleece DOC and their mommy coach swore to it because they told her she could stay on as coach if she kept them together through end of U13.
All they wanted was another year of your dues $$$.

Anonymous said...

If I recall, PDA brought up a u11 player to play mf in the Srate Cup last fall. Desperately needed a central midfielder because they didn't have and player to do it. Did she go to regionals with you?

Anonymous said...

You recall well, could you do the same?
No, because your u11 team blows and can not compete at town levels.

Anonymous said...

I see MF and EM tied. I would not say there was a lack of scoring punch. I would say 2 solid teams battling it out.

EM dominated everyone up at FC Stars.

Will be interesting watching Pre ECNL

You have
Breakers
MF
PDA
EM
WC
Penn Fusion
Stars

battling in this tough division

Anonymous said...

where is Rage playing?I have not heard sbout them in quite sometime.Would like to know how they perform this season and what league they are in.

Anonymous said...

No more Rage Freedom team. 11 girls gone. Rest playing with Rage Rampage and Rage Liberty as I hear it.

Anonymous said...

Pre -ecnl results for last week


http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2014-15/71265040.html

Anonymous said...

Two most interesting games next week:

Breakers vs. Stars

World vs. PDA

Anonymous said...

Two most interesting games next week:

Breakers vs. Stars

World vs. PDA

Anonymous said...

New England NPL Action (week 1).

1 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY U13G
0 AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK

0 SYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY U13G
5 SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02

3 OAKWOOD SC
0 BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02

0 GPS-MA NPL
6 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS

Anonymous said...

Development is letting your other goalie play in games for the experience. Not bringing in your top goalie to play for her...... Kind of sends the wrong message doesn't it? Go grab the kool aid for your response. Nobody has an issue with it. Just stop with the denial. They all do it, including your own club. Move on.....

Anonymous said...

Let me ask something. Unless you are PDA where else will you be in the top leagues next year? Sounds like there are some bitter people out there realizing that their programs will basically end after this year as all of the top kids will be in ecnl and npl. When the academies divide up their in house talent, grab a select few from outside and drop some, that is going to be the place you want to be. Spin it all you want, that is where you want to be. The kids who get dropped will be playing for your club. So how can you possibly say taking a shot at making one of those top teams is a bad move?? Called someone that is bitter and wishes they had that chance. I know, you still think your team, with all the leftover kids, will be a better team...... Come on man!

Anonymous said...

7:35

Development is about sending a message that no one gets a free ride and that everyone has a chance to play for the top team in the club, by switching off goalies and hopefully eventually some players, it sends a strong message that you have to earn your spot. You are competing for your roster spot. Just because you have been in that position for last 3 years, it doesn't mean, the position is yours to keep.

So you will compete and in this case, you will compete against a player on the second team who is pushing for her seat at the table on the first team. Nothing wrong with that, It should happen on every high level team. Matchfit ECNL players will have to compete with the NPL team for their place at the table this year. When girls are asked to stay home because a player from the NPL team will be playing, all hell is going to break out.

Anonymous said...

Totally agree with you when NPL players are brought up to "push" ECNL but not the other way..... What message do you send when bringing ECNL down to NPL? Aren't you saying you are not confident at that position??

Anonymous said...

Goalkeepers is a different story but I dont think rotating players is proper

You have a tryout and choose a team for a reason.

A second team player should be doing some amazing things with the second team before any thought is given to adding her - and when they do it should be because there is an open spot.

Now - Match Fit might have a unique situation, in that their "B" team was State Cup Champs and top ranked in the state. But still.....decisions made after tryouts should be binding. The first wave of players to vie for more playing time should be those that won out in the tryout to be on the team in the first place - and may not have been getting time early on

Taking a B team player and giving her minutes over a sub from the A team is bad form.

Anonymous said...

8:48


Bottom of any roster is interchangeable in talent with top 4 girls of second team. Therefore, to change players out during season gives top 4 of B chance to play on the A team and show what they can do.

The message you send to these players is that your spot is in jeopardy and you are going to have to work for it if you want it.

Nothing wrong with that, it called competition and life.Go put on you big girl pants and compete.

9:39

This is no longer you fathers soccer league.

US club has a very flexible club structure in order to prevent kids from being locked in to any one team over the course of the season. It allows those girls that are not cutting it on the first team to be able to play during the season on the second team and allows those girls who deserve a chance to be on the first to be able to come up during the year and not have to wait a full year to show what they can do. Its a club structure not a team structure.

If you want your daughters spot to be safe for the year then go play with Non ecnl clubs.
You need to realize this before you join an ecnl club.

I personally think the club structure mimics the way its done around the world.

Elite level soccer is for competition.







Anonymous said...

Your theory does not work when top A team ECNL players are put in B team NE NPL spots..... It works the other way but not this way.

Anonymous said...

Penn Legacy was clearly better than Penn Fusion when they played in Spirit semi.
I watched the whole game and Legacy dominated.
Which league does that Legacy team play in?

Anonymous said...

Sure it does:

Us club structure permits any player to play anywhere, so if a team wanted to bring a player who is playing up down to play with on age team then so be it. The girl belongs to club, not to anyone team.

If your point is that its unfair , My counter would be it would only be unfair if the club they were playing against didn't have the ability to do the same thing.

Us club is about club against club, not team against team.


If you join one of these clubs and leagues you have to realize this. From a practical matter very rarely have I seen a top A player play down to same age B team. At least not in my club.

There are clubs who have A team players at the plder age groups that are allowed to play with B team in showcase tournaments to maximize college exposure because they may not be getting enough time on A team.

Most A team players that play down to B team is because their spot is in jeopardy.

I have seen A players who play up come down to play on Age with on age A team.


Nothing is unfair if all clubs are allowed to do same thing.




Anonymous said...

PDA should have a tryout every week to determine who goes where-one big lump of players. Four teams at avg of 20 players.

Can send emails friday night what game to report to.

What a joke. They are just stringing the second team girls along

Anonymous said...

11:01

it appears from Got Soccer that legacy and fusion have beaten each other over course of competition.

Could it have been a bad game for Fusion?

Anonymous said...

11:15

Not if those second team players are beating your team. i would say, they are doing just fine for exposure.

Anonymous said...

Penn Legacy plays in PAGS. Didn't play last weekend. They are a very good team.

If there are 18 players on a roster, I have no issue with players 12-18 on the A team playing down and players 1-6 on the B team playing up (not including goalies...its good for goalies to play in back of both strong and weak teams and thus they should move freely between A and B teams).

But it makes no sense for the best players on the A team to play down. That's crap.

But the notion that "we had a tryout and now the A and B teams are set in stone and rosters cannot be adjusted midseason because, like I said, we had two 1.5 hour tryouts and that is more than enough time to assess talent and players don't change much over the course of a season anyway" is crap, too.

The problem is NJX and Ajax are not true B teams. They are regional teams with players good enough to make the MF Black and PDA Storm teams. You're being disingenuous when you show outrage when a NJX or Ajax player plays on their respective pre-ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

11:20

We are in agreement.

Anonymous said...

Fusion had a bad game. But the reason they had a bad game was...wait for it...because Legacy put a beating down on them.

It happens. For example, Fusion (WCUSC) beat Legacy 6-2 in the same tournament the year before. Both teams have added players, but the cores are the same.

FWIW (not much on an anonymous board), I am a parent of a Fusion player. Legacy deserves their due. They kicked our tails that day. Kudos to them.

Anonymous said...

11:15 Who is the second team girls? Ajax or Dragons? So when a girl tries out for say Dragons, that doesn't mean they will always play for Dragons they may be told Friday that they will be playing for Ajax? I hope the families are told this prior to getting their money when signing onto the club.

Anonymous said...

Fusion parent, i assume you expect your team to bounce back against them the next time you play them?

Or do you think that they are the better team?

Anonymous said...

11:28

Very few will switch teams and I have never seen B to B.

Anonymous said...

So you bring your ECNL goalie down to NPL for the NPL's first game of the season. The NPL goalie did NOT go up to play for the ECNL team. You are correct in saying if they did do that, that is common practice. But they did not. The first game out they play with ECNL goalie for both ECNL game and NE NPL game. That is the way to do it? Please explain how that is developmental? Again not illegal in any way but stop with the rationalizing.....

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Dragons wanted a result vs NJX

That's OK. Is what it is

Like I said - likely just the goalkeeper.

Anonymous said...

11:33 you are incorrect, please have somebody read 9/9 8:35PM post to you.




Anonymous said...

Like most competitive teams, I expect Fusion to be pretty psyched up to play Legacy next time. They may not win, but I don't think they'll lose 5-1 again.

In any event, hopefully Fusion will be better competition next time.

Anonymous said...

11:33

Checkmate.

Goalies were switched: Dragons goalie played against Penn fusion and Storm goalie played against NJX.

Now which game do you think the club was more worried about?

The ECNL game or the NPL game?

A chance to give two very good goalies the opportunity to compete.

Nothing more or less.

Anonymous said...

So Ajax doesn't have a goalie?

Anonymous said...

I was told that PDA North has 3 goalies and the full time Dragon goalie is hurt.

Anonymous said...

It's hard to find goalies at this age level. Storm lucky to find 3 that want to play. Girls still want to play field at these ages. May get more goalies about age 17. Hope Solo didn't play goalie until about age 17, was a field player.

Anonymous said...

So Storm has 3 goalies, Dragons have more than 1. None for Ajax? I guess Ajax does not mean much to the PDA club, just money huh?

Anonymous said...

^^^^^^
somebody hates PDA!

Anonymous said...

If your daughter commits to an ECNL team shouldn't the team/club do the same for the year? Injuries are another story.

Like dropping of a corvette for anthe oil chamge and the dealer giving you back a mustang. Not what you paid or signed up for.

Anonymous said...

Dragons keeper is hurt

Storm lent out a keeper for the game

Now we are getting somewhere

Anonymous said...

lol: keep trying.

Anonymous said...

Like I said - is what it is

Using childish acronyms announces you clearly to the board

Be a big boy and have a conversation

Anonymous said...

12:37

I believe the question was asked and answered.

The rest is just stirring the pot;

See 12:04 , 11:36 .

How many ways would you like the question answered?


Would love to see a new topic besides PDA and Matchfit.

Anonymous said...

Let's discuss a real topic instead of bashing teams. What is the effect of 40 minute halfs on teams? And once you are subbed out you can't go back in the game for that half? Could be a problem for those teams that don't carry the full 18 girls.

Anonymous said...

What's the effect of girls playing the full 80 minutes. Tired girls and losses. And goals scored against the tired girls in the closing minutes

Anonymous said...

Whats the effect of only carrying 1 keeper? And the keepers parents having the biggest opinion about the other players. Animosity

Anonymous said...

There was a disagreement. One said Dragone keeper is out injured. How then did she play vs Penn?

I am on your side. I dont see the big deal. I support keeper rotation any way you'd like to handle it.

Players down from top team wouldnt fly with me, unless it was someone truly not getting any field time with the A team.

I'd guess there will be less in season phone calling and e-mailing to kids parents from other clubs now that there are so many players for you guys to choose from.....


heh - maybe not.

Anonymous said...

It's just the first half you cannot reenter a game, isnt it?

Anonymous said...

12;26

When somebody commits to an ecnl team/club the only promises they should get is a chance to compete for a coveted spot. Nothing More.

If you are good enough ,no issues, if not, would you rather sit the bench if team is not satisfied with players performance.

Anonymous said...

my daughter is a keeper. they are unusual creatures. They have to be fierce, no fear, accept scars on their legs, kicks in the face, hands/fingers stepped on and some of the high level teams have their strikers coming in full force, with cleats up. Hence why very few GK anytime anywhere. my daughter is only keeper on team. she has been with GFA, NJCSA and also stint with NJ Force back in day as guest keeper. I have seen her, "save" games, so stop 2-3 break aways, perhaps a good penalty shot here and there, and lets be honest, anyone who can keep a ball out of the net for 60-80 minutes at age 12/13 against girls pounding them, corner shots et al. give them much credit. and true about Solo, but when you really think about it who won World Cup with the "Sweeper Keeper" the best keeper is your best shot at really being the best.

Anonymous said...

@1:10

12:04 has it right.


Anonymous said...

Here is a different goalie question of sorts.

My daughter plays for a high level non ECNL team.

She is best goalie on team and one of best field player.

The last couple of years she has been playing more goalie than field because coach needs her there.


My daughter has decided that she no longer wants to play goalie. We have recently told the coach but he says that he needs her there.


she get some playing time on field about 25% in strategic situations and she does great.


is it ok to give coach ultimatum about field play or is this considered against the "team" concept.

I am trying to balance having my daughter being a good team player vs. pursuing her own desires.


How would you handle if coach doesn't want to move her?




Anonymous said...

I think it is very rare to have a female u13 player who is both a good GK and good field player, that said, if she can, and wants to, she should play where she wants, you will probably have to leave the team, and start fresh.

Anonymous said...

What is Crush waiting until 9/21 to have their first NPL game, are they busy on a soccer world tour?

Anonymous said...

@1:55


Should that apply at all positions or just the goalie?


If Your daughter is an equally effective striker but Coach plays her as a defender and girl doesn't want to play defense, should she leave the team?

When is team more important than the position your daughter wants to play?








Anonymous said...

Easy, the team is NEVER more important than your child.

and anyone who says otherwise is being jerky.

Anonymous said...

2:03- When the team offers you a scholarship.



Anonymous said...

Being a field player is different than being a goalie. You are still developing as a field player if you are at center back, but not necessarily so if you are in goal. Had a similar situation with my daughter. Started out as a field player but was brave and tough at an early age and had great instincts. More and more time in goal became the norm. Was in the top half of the starting 11 as a field player as well according to coach but he needed her in goal. She absolutely hated goalie. Couldn't stand it. Finally had to tell the coach that he decided where she played on the field but I decided if she played for him. Team wasn't happy but in the long run, they were better off because they ended up getting a girl who wanted to be goalie and wanted to invest.

Anonymous said...

Your daughter CAN be a good field player and good goalie. 1:55 you must not know many athletic kids then. A true athletic child can play what ever position she is put into , AND be very, very good at them all. I have a son a daughter that is good at all positions on the soccer field and other sports. It is innate at times.

Anonymous said...

"Let's discuss a real topic instead of bashing teams. What is the effect of 40 minute halfs on teams? And once you are subbed out you can't go back in the game for that half? Could be a problem for those teams that don't carry the full 18 girls."

We carry about 15 or 16 field players on our team. I think three of them played 80 minutes this past weekend (center defenders and a midfielder). The rest got variable time. About four other different players played 1.5 halves. Everyone else's minutes were 25 (starters) or 15 (bench) minutes per half.

More than the fatigue issue is the substitution pattern issue. We are pre-ECNL, but we are not yet at the point where we roster 16 field players who are interchangeable as starters or bench players. We have 10 starters, one or two who could start, and then some bench players.

We currently start our "starters". And then at about 25 minutes five bench players come in. Which is fine. Hasn't hurt us yet. But I'd still feel more comfortable if the coach started some bench players, gave them their minutes, and then subbed them out in order to have a more balanced lineup out there.

Yeah, I know. I sound like a d*** for placing "starter" and "bench" labels on the kids. But I'm trying to make a point about balancing the lineup, and there is no other way to make that point.

Anonymous said...

Our team is very specific as they say the organization is more important then any player. You pay your money and they decide what to do with your daughter. if you don't like it, you are more than welcome to leave.


I think thats the way it has to be because otherwise every parent would want their child playing striker or midfielder.

Anonymous said...

I loved my daughter playing almost exclusively defense her first few years, because I think good defenders naturally learn to play with their head up. Once she got a professional coach she has played more midfield and with good results.

Anonymous said...

Well said 3:14. I have seen the same on my daughters team.

Anonymous said...

This weekend’s games

==============================
North East Girls Pre-ECNL

Penn Fusion SA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FC Bucks 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Continental FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL

==============================
North East Girls Pre-ECNL

Penn Fusion SA 01 NPL
FC Bucks 01 NPL

Albertson SC 01 NPL
PDA North 01 NPL

Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL
FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL

World Class FC 01 NPL
PDA South 01 NPL

Continental FC 01 NPL
Match Fit Academy 01 NPL

==============================
New England Girls NPL

YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE
GPS-MA NPL

BAYSIDE FC BOLTS NPL RED 01/02
SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02

NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS
AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 01 BLACK

==============================
NYCSL Girls NPL

No Games Scheduled

==============================
Virginia Girls NPL

No Games Scheduled until October

==============================
EDP or EDL Girls NPL

Website not update.

Anonymous said...

Crush plays half the games they did two years ago, looks they they are going the way of all their older teams - no where. Should go back to torpedoes team. Go to WC if you can before to late.

Anonymous said...

ajaxs new players being invited to play with the ecnl team.While girls who have been on the team and have been told they will move up keep writing checks and drinking the b team kool aid.You will get the coaches look one day.

Anonymous said...

10:20 the best players get invited to pre-ecnl teams new or old. This is no secret. It's okay your kid is still a great player. No need to add extra pressure to her plate.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure if you are having an issue with the process or the fact that someone other than your daughter has been given an opportunity? It sounds like the system is what you want, just not the result you wanted. At my daughter's club, which is not ECNL, but the B team is part of the process and opportunities are available for those that work hard. Keep working, if it doesn't work there, always choices.

Anonymous said...

10:20 you are absolutely right.

Anonymous said...

10:20 and 7:41. Sounds like angry parents there at Ajax. Did the new girls start showing their ball hog skills yet? Looking for that scholarship. LOL Tell your daughters to be a team player not a "me" player and she will definitely stand out

Anonymous said...

10:20 and 7:41. Sounds like angry parents there at Ajax. Did the new girls start showing their ball hog skills yet? Looking for that scholarship. LOL Tell your daughters to be a team player not a "me" player and she will definitely stand out

Anonymous said...

7:41 is not an Ajax parent. Not even in the right state pal.

Anonymous said...

I guess this is how these teams get stronger and stronger. They keep adding depth. Add the best 2 or 3 players to storm roster and the team will get even stronger. Only team that has chance to compete with this team is matchfit.

Anonymous said...

EDP schedule for the weekend


HBC Spark vs Ramapo Valley Tornado

South Central Premier Spirit vs Beachside SC

Pipeline SC vs Wildcats

STA vs Calvert Crew

Lehigh Valley vs Harford SC

Jersey Premier vs Calvert Crew

Anonymous said...

10:20 sounds like Storm parent trying to muddy the Ajax waters.

Ajax an up and coming team, a real player in this division.

Players/parents have no need to look elsewhere. They should value where they are at.

Anonymous said...

9:48 Why would Storm parent muddy the waters with that comment? What advantage do they get by trying to make someone feel bad? Besides being a bad individual just like Ray Rice.

1 - hits a women
2 - picks on 12 year old girls who didn't get a look with the first team.

While I get one is a crime both are bad individuals that don't care about the feelings of others.

Anonymous said...

There are no EDP(L) NPL games until the spring.

Anonymous said...

10:11 Like last year 4 or 5 games?

Why wouldn't they play a balanced Home/Away schedule?

Anonymous said...

I think he said EDP

Anonymous said...

EDL schedule is out for fall.
teams have them.

Anonymous said...

My daughter plays for an EDL club, and I've seen no such EDL schedule, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. There's an EDP schedule, but that's not the same as EDL, which, from what others have said, doesn't begin until the Spring.

Anonymous said...

Never forget this date. Most of our daughters were not even born 13 years ago today. Every day we bash other teams, girls, coaches. Today is a day to remember.
Also remember that soccer is only a game, and 99% of our daughters are not going to receive scholarships, so let them play having fun.

Anonymous said...

Amen 1048

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Anonymous said...

@9:48

I am Not sure if I understand your post.

Why would any player refuse to play for the 1st team,

Maybe lack of playing time or distance., otherwise most should appreciate the invitation and run to the other team.

Anonymous said...

That EDP schedule looks like a MAPS schedule....... Nothing wrong with that but PLEASE do not say that those teams are playing similar competition that ECNL and NE NPL.

Anonymous said...

AT 1234 like you say "lack of playing time" if your son/daughter is on a team playing only 20-30 minutes, but go to a lesser team and play 50-60 minutes it may be best thing, no? Who knows why coaches do play and dont play one player over another, coaches do not always agree on substitutions. players leave yearly and/or in middle of year due to this lack of play time, then they go to another team and have the same issue, or not.

Anonymous said...

Yes but you have to give it shot to know where you stand if you are invited. At least thats what i teach my kids.

Anonymous said...

Assuming these teams apply for Region 1 Premier -What do you guys think? Honestly? Better road than ECNL or NPL?

USYSA Region 1
3 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE
6 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT
7 ATLETICOGU13
8 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED
15 BRYC 01 ELITE
16 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK
19 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE

1:09 I'm going to throw this out. Which would you rather have for your child if your kid was not the best player on the best team in the region.

A) Play 20-30 minutes with kids that know how to pass, receive a pass, play their positions on both sides of the field.

B) Play 50-60 minutes,maybe more individual play because not all the kids can make a pass to the right foot or maybe have a not so good first touch can hurt when playing high level soccer.

C) Same as B, but level of soccer is a lot lower and your kid is a SUPER STAR

Anonymous said...

D) Play with the club you have come to admire and respect -

then let it EVOLVE into a, b or c

Anonymous said...

1:51 I guess,but what does that have to do with 1:09 and the "lack of playing time"?

Anonymous said...

GS is now ranking the Super Y league as well if the teams have a GS account. Flight Ranking Value: 2125

PTS
1506 = RAGE SC (PAE)
1275 = PATRIOT FC (PAE)
N/A = VALKYRIES FC (NJ)
1594 = LONG ISLAND ROUGH RIDERS (NYE)
190 = SABA NYC CITY (NYE)
0 = PARSIPPANY SC (NJ)

I'm still not sure why you don't have more teams doing this league looks legit - USL manages USL Pro3, PDL and W-League. Its a summer league with a National final in Nov/Dec always in Florida, nice spot for a vacation.

Not the flavor of the month?

Anonymous said...

at 132 it is a tough one. you hate to see your kid sit, ever, right? I hated sitting when I played, especially when you are trying your best and not really that bad, but other kids on team are little better or favored for whatever reason, you never know what a coach is thinking, Solo was sat at one point...... but great point about only playing 20 with the best, or playing 50 with a MOSA team lets say and never sitting. here is where I am with my U10 son, playing Maps and sitting a lot, while on his MOSA team he plays, starts and rarely sits except to rest legs as a mid-fielder - now my U13 daughter never sits one minute of any match for several years current on EDP team. how hard is it to see your kid sitting there, when you know he can play all the time, is it an age thing, so at U10 it is ok and by U13 it is not. as a great parent it just hurts my stomach

Anonymous said...

Broccoli rabe hurts my stomach more than watching a kid sit on bench for an entire game, just saying...

Anonymous said...

I don't know 4:36 I'm 1:32 about my tummy hurting watching my kid sit.

But it doesn't come close to watching her hit the floor and crying in pain. While you have to watch from the side lines while you wait to get the everything is okay or you get called out on the field. I don't wish that on anyone.

PS. Broccoli rocks!!

Anonymous said...

PS. My keyboard stinks, so does my grammar and my spelling. Thank god my kid doesn't ask for help with her HW.

3:12 you are right my tummy hurts also.

Anonymous said...

Answer to sitting might be to double card

I know all clubs dont allow it but playing with a lesser second team gives minutes and builds confidence.

Anonymous said...

That's what Middle School teams are for.

Anonymous said...

What PDA just did, isn't that what matchfit haters/parents hope for and are complaining about.
Yo Adriean
What up Rock
YOU CANT'T WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

@ 8:58
So what your telling me is that the top 4 best teams in the state( Matchfit and PDA) are going to take their entire clubs top 20- 26 girls and make an ECNL team for each club . Wwwwwwhhhhhattttttttttt!!!!
That sounds absolutey crazy. I have never heard of such a a thing in my entire life. What will we have to talk about . I might have to pick up a hobby. Idk like maybe care and watch my daughter play soccer with her friends and hopefully have fun.

Anonymous said...

Could be some of the Ajax players choose Zaraphath. We'll see.

Good team, so some of them are worthy.

Anonymous said...

Draw for the Fall NJ State Cup & National Championship Series takes place tomorrow morning. Anyone want to definitively identify teams they know that are NOT going to be participating this year?? With the changing landscape and the movement to other leagues, I'm wondering who's in and who's out.

Anonymous said...

I think the NJ Cup in the Spring will have a bigger draw.

Basically, it''s your EDP, JAGS and other NJ League teams participating this year.

ECNL teams aren't carded for USYSA and either are NPL teams. I think that's why NJ Crush is doing crossover games so they can participate in the Fall State Cup and this is why STA and Nj Wildcats are doing EDP.

Just a guess.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I believe it will be a rather thin showing for the Fall SC

Anonymous said...

So what you're saying is that no matter who wins, they're going to get ripped apart because they didn't have to beat anyone.

Anonymous said...

what they are saying is that PDA isnt going to be in the cup this year so it will be a "thin showing"

comical

Anonymous said...

Not comical but correct. You are taking 4-5 of the top teams out of the cup. Would still be nice to win SC but really? How can you say it is same if those top 4-5 are not in it??

Anonymous said...

I posted 12:02. No one said anything about ripping anyone for winning. The point is that without MF or PDA that is conservatively 5 of the top 10 teams in the state are out. To me that is a thin showing, yes and I am not from either. It should be wide open for someone to step up.

Anonymous said...

12:02 I agree it will be thin. But this is an opportunity for the NON ECNL/NPL teams to win State Cup and go to Regionals with a chance to go to Nationals or National League.

I wouldn't understand why an ENCL or NPL team would also take this road, it would only lead to conflicts down the road. Unless of course they were the club;s USYSA team.

Anonymous said...

Plenty of opportunities for teams to be National Champs. In no specific order.

1) ECNL
2) NPL
3) US Club National Event
4) USL Super Y
5) USYSA National Champions
6) USYSA National League
7) USYSA President's Cup

As many of us said previously many different levels, all will crown a National champ - which one is for your kid - well that's your choice since you pay the club tuition.

And for the teams not playing in leagues or events that lead to one of these we have local leagues with ODP as a supplement. Plenty of opportunities.

I just like talking ECNL/NPL because I buy into the club model over the Individual team model. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Is Boca playing in the fall State Cup?

Anonymous said...

I know of one team that is on edge of their seat hoping NOT to see BOCA in their bracket! Too funny, great post 115!

Anonymous said...

The next big event
WAGS

Bracket 1
BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)
CREW JUNIORS GOLD WEST (OS)
PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)
TENNESSEE SC 20 (TN)

Bracket 2
FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)
LAKE FOREST SA GU12 SELECT (IL)
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)
TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)

Bracket 3
HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)
NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)
PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)
TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA)

Anonymous said...

12:31 Comical?

Last Spring Final Four was 3 PDA teams and MF/NJX.

So yes, think its a "thin showing".

Anonymous said...

Fall state cup placement is for seeding at future events

And of course the further you get the more games you get to play

Anonymous said...

yep comical

Anonymous said...

All this talk about play time versus sitting. Why is your kid "playing" soccer if not to play? Was told by a friend of mine who is also a top college coach that my kid needs to be on a team where she get at least half the game. I want her to play at the best level where she can get half the game.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about play time versus sitting. Why is your kid "playing" soccer if not to play? Was told by a friend of mine who is also a top college coach that my kid needs to be on a team where she get at least half the game. I want her to play at the best level where she can get half the game.

Anonymous said...

What's comical is if any ECNL/NPL teams entered the USYSA State Cup. I can see non- ECNL/NPL teams entering that is the the only road they have.

But why would a ECNL or NPL (NYCSL, EDL or NE Girls NPL) team enter?

I can see STA and NJ Crush use their white teams for this event since their first teams are NPL.

I am curious to see if any NPL/ECNL teams entered the USYSA event when they have their own US Club Soccer event in the Spring.

Anonymous said...

2:30 I agree they play so they can play. But what is the end game?

1) Just playing for Fun.
2) Trying to be the best she can be to play in HS
3) Trying to be the best she can for college
4) Trying to be the best she can for college and beyond.

If your kid is number 4, then they need to train with and play against other kids that want the same things, to me ECNL will be for kids that want this option. They will have to push themselves at every training session to earn minutes and sometimes it takes a few months to earn those minutes. In the end it will make that player better. The kids that have their minutes will need to work just as hard to fight off the kids wanting more minutes. Nothing wrong with this the kids win- regardless if they play in games or not, they will learn to give everything they have all the time.

I think 1-3 can be had in manny different ways, see my 1:11 list.

Anonymous said...

2:30 I have one question for you. If your child was selected by the USWNT to train with them with an opportunity to play in events. Only XI can start and only 18 can dress, aren't' you still happy if she is in this pool of players if she plays or not? or if she was a dual citizen she would start for sure with her other nationality, but will the level be the same? would it matter?

Just trying to put a different spin on the same question.

Anonymous said...

Boca team invited to come and watch Cats play in the WAGS Cup Flight listed above post 1:23.

Anonymous said...

No thanks 250, won't get much out of watching scoreless ties.

Anonymous said...

Hey Wildcats will your game with LVU count as an EDL NPL game? or is it just a Fall EDP Game?

NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS

I'm guessing you guys have some insight to this league? Since at u13 It actually matters who wins the league to represent them at the NPL Finals.

Did any teams replace NYSC and Manhattan? If not You guys should dominate.

Anonymous said...

EDP

Girls U13 1st Division North

NJCSA ELITE 1
HBC SPARK 0


Girls U13 1st Division Central

JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH 1
NJSCA GALAXY 3


DID Parsippany, NJCSA & HBC leave NYSC NPL to join EDL NPL?

Anonymous said...

Easy road with ZERO challenges. Will be interesting to see how they stack up against later on against the others that will have had a full season of battling every week. Think the battling is going to make these others stronger. But you never know.....

Anonymous said...

believe wildcat tied 1-1 with both penn legacy and calvert crew at spirit last month, not 0-0.

Anonymous said...

Believe Wildcats did not win any games and were destroyed by Ajax?

Anonymous said...

That's correct 809.

Anonymous said...

you must have missed the ajax consolation game. It was 2-1 until about a minute left. with a few minutes left wildcats went to 3 backs to push for tie and gave up last minute counter goal.
If that is destroyed than so be it.
Wildcats tied for 1st in bracket and lost shootout to Legacy to determine who advanced to semi out of toughest bracket at spirit. Legacy scored in final minutes to pull out tie vs wildcats in deciding bracket game and force shootout. then Legacy routed Penn fusion 5-1 in semi.

Anonymous said...

Ajax was in weaker bracket at Spirit than Wildcats. I'm sure they used "floaters" there too. LOL

Anonymous said...

The question becomes: How many Wildcats will be at PDA tryouts come April.

Anonymous said...

April?

Anonymous said...

Big fast striker from pda dragons just got released from pda and joined wildcats today.
Looks like movement is in other direction.
also wildcats new midde from cal pre-ecnl club in bay area arrived and is also now carded.
She played up in U13 pre-ecnl for Pleasanton Rage U13's as a U12 last year. Choose wildcats over MatchFit.
both eligible to play in state cup, tournaments and EDL league.
Keep dreaming of wildcats demise.

Anonymous said...

Players choosing wildcats u13 team over pda and matchfit, OUCH.

Anonymous said...

Well if they can't cut it at PDA or MF then Wildcats is a good 3rd option

Anonymous said...

How do the current players on WC feel about others coming in mid season that are going to take playing time away from what they signed up for this year. May not be such a welcome for some?

Anonymous said...

No different than pda storm picking up 3 players last winter mid year.
No team on this blog would pass on talented players who can strengthen their roster if they have open spots.
You are reaching 11:10 but it was a nice try. Not exactly mid season now either as league play for wildcats has not even started yet.At least all 17 wildcats will dress each game and not be left home and off roster for any events. Can't say the same for pda and matchfit.

Anonymous said...

11:14 is right.
All these teams will pick up talented players whenever the opportunity arises.
some clubs will do so even if they already have 18 or more rostered and will move existing rostered players to alternate status to make room for talented newcomers. Expecting your playing time and the pecking order on a squad at this level to be in some way guaranteed or protected for the entire year when you sign on is very naive.

Anonymous said...

the competition for spots and playing time at the highest level is a never ending reality.Your child must constantly compete to earn and hold onto their role.
Their will always be someone new coming along to try and take your spot.
That will continue to be the case as they get older and of course continue into college for those who reach that level as players.When you join one of these teams this is in fact what you and your child have signed up for.
there are no guarantees.

Anonymous said...

which is why we are there. This is the age when the real players start to separate from the pretenders.



Anonymous said...

I think it's kind of refreshing that some talented players are choosing options other than the big 2 clubs, where you are part of a roster of 22-26 players and have anywhere from 4 to 7 players left off roster and home for each game/event. there is something to be said for knowing you will dress and play in every game for your confidence, game experience and development.
To each his own.

Anonymous said...

Have some ajax parents really been told they will eventually be going to the north team.Only to have players that just came to the team get to move instead?

Anonymous said...

The whole concept of expanded rosters beyond 18 is nothing but a money grab by the big clubs and a meat grinder for all but the handful of kids at the top of the roster of each of these teams.
For the rest it is the weekly stress of working just as hard as everyone else in training and then waiting to see if they will dress or be left out and home for each weekends event and/or trip.This as we have seen first hand is demoralizing for the player and their confidence and over time will often sap their passion for the sport.
And each player added above 18 has their entire monthly dues check go right to the bottom line-net profit column for the club.
After all the fixed costs of running the team do not change whether you have the traditional 18 or expand to 22 to 24 players or more.
That is one trainer and 1 field for each training session, 1 coach and 1 field for each game, 1 entry fee for each team for each tournament and each league they enter, and 1 set of referees for each game.
Come on we all know it is hard enough to keep a roster of 18 happy with their role and playing time.
Many of the best teams over the years have had rosters of 15 to 17 and done just fine and everyone played a decent amount of minutes. Youth soccer has been around for many years and carrying up to the maximum limit of 18 that can dress and play for each game was always plenty.
Now figure an extra 4 to 6 players above 18 players means an extra 10 to 15K in additional net profit from dues for EACH TEAM in these clubs.
Now with 2 teams in each age group and 10 age groups on both the girls and boys side we are talking 500k to 600K of additional net profit per year for each of these clubs.
Do you have any doubt why they are pushing this.
The amazing thing is we are all falling for this BS.

Anonymous said...

PDA and MF have one pitch and WC coach another. Agree that rostering over 18 is a money grab ana its also a way to keep players away from other teams. But I think WC coach would do the same if he could. Just sayin

Anonymous said...

Rostering more than 18 players per team at this age group is absolutely ridiculous! I highly doubt the coaches want any part of that. It is an extra level of aggravation to deal with managing the parents, the kids. It's hard enough managing playing time for players 16-18. That comes from the club. You are right we are allowing it because we want them to be part of something but it is in many ways at the expense of our kids if they are not at the top end. It's always about the money and as long as people are willing to pay it will only get worse.

Anonymous said...

If my kid was not at the top end of an ecnl club, we would be playing for another team. You and your kid have to enjoy the ride through youth soccer and the only way to do that is for your kid to play. it is a money grab. but parents want the ecnl designation even if they are getting 30% playing time.

Other thing, is a prefer a particular style of soccer that doesn't come easy in these parts.

Anonymous said...

7:55 One question thing for sure will be answered, is your kid a fit for that team? Work harder and earn a spot or this level is not for you?

Very Simple. Sometimes you have 22-26 girls that have the skill set to play for a team. The ones that stick are the kids that work hard and improve. If they are improving I don't see an issue, if they go into a shell then it's time to leave,

Once the season is over If your kid was at the end of the roster your kid has some tough decisions. Stay and maybe go through the same thing again or maybe move into the main rotation and never sit or find another team.

We as parents know what's happening we just have to stay positive and supportive if our kid made the choice to play for the team. If we are negative, well no good can come from that and this is where this board comes into play. It's a good way to let off some steam without attacking anyone.

Anonymous said...

To 11:14. Not reaching, just saying. It may not be in the mid year break but the team has been formed, training in process, money collected and expectations set so the new players change the landscape and will not sit well with some. Not saying the WC did anything wrong. You should always want to improve the team and yes at least it doesn't push the roster over 18.

Anonymous said...

Where did the new players at WC shift over from?

Anonymous said...

@827. At the WC level of soccer. This is the life you have chosen. It is the same at any ecnl team. If you don't take the player another ecnl club will. Especially if she is a starter. Clubs are trying to put their rosters together to get ready for u14, when a player comes along , you grab her.

Anonymous said...

8:24 very simple you say?
Can we hear from some of the parents who have experienced their child being left off the roster for an event their team attended?
How did you feel when you saw your child, head down slowly and dejectedly walking off the field after finding out they would not be travelling, dressing or playing in that weekends event with their teammates, while their friends/teammates excitedly talked about their upcoming exciting weekend trip together? Anyone who has been cut from a team or had their child ever cut from a team they had their heart set on making can attest to the devastating effect it can have on a child.
It sure seems like this being left off and left home is exactly the experience a child goes through when getting cut from a team. Except you can only get "cut from a team" once a year at tryouts: but this "cut" can happen over and over multiple times over the course of the year.
I would love to hear a parent who has been through their kid being left home about how their "CHIL handled it" ."Work harder and earn a spot" you say.
Isn't that what your child did when they were chosen for the team at tryouts?
Is it healthy for your 12 year old to experience the anxiety of am I playing or not, rostering or not, travelling or not, as an every week occurrence? Pretty stressful for a child it seems. And you say "stay supportive if your "kid" made the choice to play for this team"?
How many of you can say it's not at least partly about your own ego?
How much did you influence your child to have them end up in this position with this team/club?
The traditional working each week to earn playing time and working to start is stressful enough for children, without adding maybe I'll dress or not and maybe I'll travel or not to the equation. NPL only allows 18 players to dress and sit on the players bench/sideline during games, so what do the players left out do for home games? Do they watch the game in street clothes from the parents sidelines? Or maybe they are too embarrassed/humiliated so they just don't show up to the games when left out.Do the coaches obligate them to be there when left off as part of the team? And what of the players parents? Do they also show up when their child doesn't make the "cut" for that week?

Anonymous said...

9-09 what level? You are full of it.

Anonymous said...

920. Please explain.

Anonymous said...

958 is Giddy Cat guy.

Anonymous said...

9:13 - 8:24 here I speak from experience and let me tell you something watching - well it's the hardest thing to do. Most don't experience that and I hope they don't.

SUPPORT, DAMAGE CONTROL and STAY POSITIVE if your kid loves the sport things will work themselves out.



Anonymous said...

9:57 thanks for your honesty.
If what you say is indeed true than what possible reason to put your child and your family through this type of agony and stress on a weekly basis.
So you think this is the way to develop your child as a young 12 year old player?
So you think this is somehow building their belief in their own self worth, self confidence and ability as a player and a young lady? How is this affecting their self esteem.
You are allowing your child to be used as a pawn in a pyramid scheme by these clubs to raise their bottom line $$$.
As a parent you should be ashamed you would allow your child to be used, disrespected and discarded in this manner. Each and every time they are not chosen it is a heartbreaking event in your child's life.
At least when being cut at a tryout your child can walk away from that team and group of friends/teammates.
Out of sight out of mind.
On the other hand in this expanded roster scam your child is facing ostracism, separation from their "better" teammates and being told they are not good enough regularly while still showing up for every practice working just as hard as their teammates and feeling more and more inadequate as this process repeats itself over the course of time.

Anonymous said...

7:53 your comment makes no sense.
NO COACH, not the coaches at pda and matchfit or ANY other club want or are the driving force behind these expanded rosters.
Having 23 or 24 players is a major headache for any coach and those added players are on the bubble anyway and not at the level of the teams core starters. therefore finding playing time for them and finding events where they can roster them without leaving their team weakened and vulnerable in that event is a constant challenge.
This is strictly a club driven concept being pushed to expand revenues further for the club at the expense of the children.
Guaranteed this new experiment will not end well for the girls or for youth soccer moving forward.

Anonymous said...

This is new to us, but it hurts very much watching your child sit the bench for 3/4's of a game.

We made the mistake and are living the dreadful dream right now. There is no way to explain it to your child!

We will live it out this season and then will leave and find a new home.

The saddest thing is we had no idea. The coach fed us a bunch of silver linings, and once the season came upon us, (and our check was cashed), it was a 180 degree turn. Now we are told our child is struggling, needs improvement, etc...

Our daughter is a good player, always was, this is an excellent team, she fits in, but of course the play is new to her. We were never told that the learning and growing pains would include traveling 2+ hours to every game just to watch our child sit the bench and get about 15 minutes of play time.

All the girls on the team are great girls.

Please, be careful with your decisions on teams. And dont listen to those coaches before the season. This coach plays the same 6 girls almost the whole game. Are they great, yes, they are great kids, but great players, they are good! After talking to some of the parents, I found out that these 6 girls have been playing whole games for ever. And yes, they struggle towards the end of every half, because they are just that tired, but the coach will never take them out.

It was a huge mistake by us, it has completely deflated my child, and several other kids that are in the same situation.

I dont screw up often, but this was a big one! Absolutely pissed at myself for not seeing this or asking the right questions!

Anonymous said...

Agreed. how about now there are "expanded rosters" of 22 or more even on the "B" Teams at PDA.
After all these B teams don't compete in ecnl. Guess once they got it over on the ecnl teams parents they couldn't resist trying it on the non-ecnl teams as well.
How did they spin that concept to the B Teams parents? they couldn't use the same ecnl hook that worked on the A teams parents.
Has MF done the same thing with the old Celtic Team, now the MF "B" Team?

Anonymous said...

12:10 are you at an ECNL club or NPL club? Just curious

Anonymous said...

Well 12:10 -"We grow too soon old and too late smart".
At least it seems like parents are wising up to this new expanded roster scheme by these clubs.
You do not have to put your own child in this unfortunate situation for them to develop to their potential as a soccer player.
It seems the clubs overreached and it is already biting them in the a--.
Greed, plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

12:19 doesn't matter as they are starting to push this concept beyond just the A or ecnl team and apply expanded rosters beyond the limit of 18 who can dress and play across the board of their entire clubs. As parents we have the power to prevent this.

Anonymous said...

beware of clubs who insist on you paying for the entire year up front with no possibility of any refund if you are unhappy or feel you were sold a bill of goods partway through the year.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is indeed fro revenue, not development as they try and spin it. The brand allows the club to get away with this and they take advantage of the parents willingness to want their child to be associated with the brand.

My child is one of the lucky few who have no issues with playing time, so far for us, the brand is a bonus and second to my child's development as a player. As soon as we see that our daughter is not getting 75% playing time on the field then we are gone. I know 75% is a lot of playing time but if you are looking to develop a player-your player; then nothing less will do. Many fine non ECNL clubs out there where you child can have a great coach and get significant playing time. You just have to pick a team that is right for your daughter.


I do not understand why parents would subject themselves to less than 50% playing time on any team.


Anonymous said...

I repeat , you only go through this once, why subject yourself to less than 50% playing time.

Anonymous said...

You as a parent will be able to ask for more playing time if your child is good enough that they would not want you to walk to their competitor.

Anonymous said...

i have some knowledge of North base teams (have a friend that plays for North base teams). Coach up North created a 3 teams to allow players to play instead of sitting out weekly. I have no information for Celtic.

I like this philosophy, on this board, people will complain that its about money. Well atleast all the kids are playing.

Anonymous said...

i have some knowledge of North base teams (have a friend that plays for North base teams). Coach up North created a 3 teams to allow players to play instead of sitting out weekly. I have no information for Celtic.

I like this philosophy, on this board, people will complain that its about money. Well atleast all the kids are playing.

Anonymous said...

Celtic only carrying 17 players at the moment - who knows when and if this will change

Anonymous said...

Stop it already with roster size - no one person would be complaining if their kid was starting, not one person would tell their kid to sit out a game so someone else's kid can play.

If you were told the roster size before the season, what's the problem besides the coach seeing your child different than you?

Anonymous said...

1:57 well you have clearly missed the point.
It is not just playing time but the fact that with rosters expanded now beyond the allowable 18 who can be rostered, dressed and have a any chance to play at all in each event.
How can it be justified in ANY way to leave players who made the team at tryouts out of nay game or worse any out of state tournament which ALL players, even subs look forward to being a part of as members of the team.This is demoralizing and heartbreaking for ANY player.
I defy ANY parent to come on here and claim their child was OK with being left out or worse left home when the rest of their teammates and friends are playing or travelling together as a team. What is the message that is being sent to that child about their abilities as a player, value to their team, and worst of all worst of all their value and self esteem as a young developing personality.
Any parent who accepts this situation for their child is setting them up for disappointment and future issues in their development in these areas.
they are 12 years old, not pros, and their personalities are still in the early stages of development.

Anonymous said...

1:00 having 3 teams in the club is not the complaint.
the problem is rostering above the 18 player limit for all of these teams that creates the issue of players not dressing out or attending events with their teams.

Anonymous said...

Not aware of any MF teams at this age that roster more than 18. Anyone have first hand knowledge that they do?

Anonymous said...

2:26 point made by blogger 1pm, instead of rostering more than 18 players. MF Coach created 3 North teams

Anonymous said...

1:57

Also possible that new coach sees your child different from old coach.Which can all of a sudden create a lot less playing time.


All parents want to see their kids as starters, sometimes a simple coaching change, changes the playing time for each child.

Anonymous said...

Anytime 9:57 and I respect your opinion.

No I didn't think that was the best way to develop our child. The roster was normal at first and then a few girls added. So coach didn't see the same player that I do. Was she happy, NO. Did we help her pick up the pieces and help her decide what she wants and the work that will need to go into it, YES.

I learned from experience that for my child needed to learn an unfair lesson in life, not saying all children should. But for my child she became an ODP player and had choice of teams to pick the one she wanted. So I would say her self esteem and confidence has never been stronger. But like I said every child is different.

Did I allow her to be a pawn, well who isn't a pawn? Last time I checked, I'm not the owner of a club or the coach, so yes, she wants to play and as such she is nothing but a pawn we use them they use us.

Ashamed of what? For not letting her give up or never bringing that into the conversation? You act like not being picked is the end of the world. She learned that she could be the player her coach sees her as or the player she is.

The expanded roster is not a scam in my opinion. Nobody would complain if their kid was playing every day and some other child was not. it only becomes an issue when their child isn't playing. For my kid she learned to work hard and as long as you work hard you win. She can not control who plays and how many minutes she plays, she can only control how hard she works and what type of a teammate she is. Fighting for minutes is a must if she wants to follow her dreams. There will always be talented kids wanting the same spot and sometimes it's not the most talented that win the spot it's the kid that wants it more.

11:48 I disagree the clubs make it no secret that putting the best team on the field is the goal, and having them compete only helps them compete every time on the field. SO all those kids that make a pro team and never start should give up. Don't say they make money because NWSL players don't make much.

12:10 I agree it hurts watching, but would it hurt watching if your kid was playing and someone else's kid wasn't? Just stay Positive and trust me it's not easy.

These expanded roster teams, all made it very clear how things were going to work, I'm sure of it. It doesn't matter ECNL or NPL or Other - Is your kid getting better or did they go into a shell.

So many people want their cake and they want to eat it or they are gone. Trust me nobody will miss your kid if the club is a big brand.

This is the wonderful world of youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

Some kids thrive in this system. So wilt.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the NJ state cup draw today at 10:00 AM?

Anonymous said...

2:49 Agreed but only if the parents are on board.

It sounds like there are a bunch of us that just want our kids handed a starting spot and for them never to lose it or else.

Anonymous said...

2:54.

How many kids are enough for you to say"ok now this is ridiculous


19
22
25
30
40

Is there a point where you would say the negative out weighs the positive?

Anonymous said...

I've seen kids be number 18-22 on one ecnl club and be in top 8 of another ecnl club that beats the original players club in head to head competition.

Development is about competing and PLAYING.

not just competing.

Anonymous said...

why cant you compete for starting playing time with 18 on the team. isnt that enough players to create a healthy competition for playing time and still dress all 18 for games?

Anonymous said...

2:57

What level are we talking about?

If we are talking about girls that want to play HS or College - then I would say 19 is "ridiculous"

However, if our child wants to play college and beyond then I think you need more than 18. The Starting XI need to be the best that they can be every time and the only way to accomplish that is to have them pushed by the next 7, and the only way you can do that is if you have someone pushing the next 7.

What age should you do this? I have no idea?

Look if playing time was important to me for my child I would never pick an ECNL or NPL team. The only way they can compete is if they have their players pushing each other all the time.

Just my opinion and I know it's the minority on this board.

Anonymous said...

3:01 I agree Playing is a big part. But if the Club/Team lays it out front that your child needs to compete for minutes. Why hate if your kid isn't getting the minutes? It's not lot you didn't know?

How does ODP work? If you make regional pool? Do only 18 players make the regional pool, the 18 that go to costa rica? or do they roster more than 18 and pick which players they dress for costa rica? IS playing important to these players? or is having the opportunity to compete for a roster spot more important?

Anonymous said...

No one is talking about working to earn playing time. question is why have more than 18 as this creates players who don't even dress or travel.
Certainly not necessary to have an extra 4-6 players competing to be one of the last 2 players on the bench.
ridiculous but keep buying in and writing those checks.

Anonymous said...

I used U14 ODP for my example. They have 54 girls in their regional Pool. But only 18 get dressed for Costa Rica.

What's the difference between ODP and what you guys are complaining about?

Are all 54 girls PLAYING? Should the 36 not dressed feel bad? Hell no, no kid should be made to feel bad if they don't dress, that's our job.

I'm sure the coach struggles with his choices every week.

But I believe there is something in having the kids compete for minutes if they want to play College and BEYOND.

To me that's how I view ECNL/NPL clubs - an opportunity for our kids to taste fighting for something that they want to play for a National Title. That doesn't come easy and there are different ways to go about it. That also falls on us to do our research and be as supportive as we can with no HATE.

Anonymous said...

3;41

Not all ecnl club carry more than 18.

The training that is desired week in and week out becomes almost impossible if coach has to watch more than 18.

This is not ODP, This is your club team.
Your club team is where you play so that you get enough experience to possibly make an ID pool.


I think 18 is plenty enough on one team especially when a club has a second team that is trying to make its way to first team.


It is only done for the money - They have no concern whether or not a coach can handle more than 18 players on the field at any one time.
if you have ever done this you will know that the quality of training begins to suffer after a 12-1 ratio.

My question to you is: Do you think the club is doing this for

A) to create competition for the girls so that they can become better players.

B) Because of the of financial incentive for the club


They have no concern about the numbers- Zero

further ,there are a lot of coaches that simply do not want the numbers.


You talk about competition- after 1-15, there is no competition for starting spots. The divide between 1-8 and 16-24 is like an A and B team.



I am telling you 16-24 have no shot at taking a starting spot.It would be better off if those players play on B team(NPL) and gets lots of playing time.

Trust me, the more you know, the more you don't want to know.








Anonymous said...

3:41 you are ridiculous.
ODP is about identification, not development.
You don't play and train with your ODP team week in week out year round.
the club we are talking about keeps telling us it is all about development in their club.
Please tell me how players from 19-22 or 24 are in the best situation for their physical and mental development as experienced, confident players?
More like a system to develop players who have no confidence in their ability or in their coaches opinions of their ability to contribute. But you keep telling your 12 year old to continue working hard Dad.
Maybe she will get to dress out for an event before the end of the season. I Feel sorry for your poor kid. you are supposed to be looking out for her best interests and protecting her during her childhood until she is old enough to figure it out for herself.

Anonymous said...

bottom line there is and always has been more than enough competition for the playing time divided between the 11 spots on the field at any given time between 18 players.
That anyone would be dumb enough to accept the reasoning that the club needs more than 18 players on a team to create more competition for playing time is ludicrous.
You are in complete denial Dad.
They have their hand right in your pocket. Wake up and smell the coffee pal.

Anonymous said...

5:10 now would you say that to my face?

Anonymous said...

And if you would then you know we would dance.

I would expect you do the same thing If I said that you.

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