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Friday, October 17, 2014

U13G / U13 Girls Youth Soccer

U13G  / U13 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

SDFC has much stronger and mature coaching staff.
Shows in the u11 and 12 girls, both teams have come out strong this year. Girls tend to stay there as well. I like the idea, egos and money will prevent from happening. I don't think NJ Crush has ever built a strong team, but much better than town option if you have 3k for tuition, lots of extra training and indoor cash expected and another 5k for travel. They love to travel.

Anonymous said...

I don't think SDFC is strong at all at this age group. They lost a lot of talent when the DOC who was also coach of that team left. They always have a good turnout at tryouts, so who knows what next year will bring.

Anonymous said...

SDFC is a train wreck, DO NOT GO THERE!

Club always having **** problems.

Girls never stay at this club, players continually leave to the likes of Match Fit, PDA, World Class and yes Crush.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS CLUB.

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Anonymous said...

Not many options in the North.

Crush is just ok. Not much technical training. Great club for the high school player

TSF is OK. Better coach here but depth of team a bit weak.They are also on the higher end of pricing. better quality and more attention paid to boys side

SDFC..Decent coaching have their issues with depth at this age group. training just okay.

Stallions probably best training but is having issues with getting enough quality players into the program at this age group.(u13)
They are trying to build from bottom up.
They have solid u14 and u15 and nationally ranked u17 team.

Worldclass good quality kids but very little technical training at this age group.
The team is starting to struggle a bit.




Anonymous said...

Hey 2:03 Knock off the individual player discussion. How would you care to have your daughter identified and dissected in this forum? Your IP should be blacklisted.

Anonymous said...

World Class is due to one reason and only one Reason

Injuries Period

This happens at these age groups. Unfortunate he lost 4-5 players to date

Anonymous said...

My opinion is not based on Injuries.

I know the world program very well.

There is not much technical training provided.

They play a pressing style. Ball is quickly played forward with very little passing combinations.
They by pass the midfield for the most part. Midfielders are expected to press, win the ball and boot the ball up front to the forwards.



Anonymous said...

Well maybe that's why WC and MF npl always have a good game. Same exact philosophy. Going to be very interesting for the MF npl team very very soon

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Anonymous said...

...and then I suppose your logic is:

1 wrong + 1 wrong = 1 right

What a dim wit.

Anonymous said...

what happened to Rage when she left?

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Anonymous said...

Why is it that when someone talks the truth nobody believes it and their comments are deleted but when someone surmises things it's okay to publish? Adminstrator the comment was in regards to someone making a false statement about one individual on a team and putting the rest of the team down, Why can't the girls be defended without being deleted?

Anonymous said...

@October 27, 2014 at 9:41 AM
NJCSA Galaxy only has 14 players on their roster last I heard
you should look into it

Anonymous said...

YST Score Central:

A look ahead to this week’s match ups:

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NYCSL NPL

New York SC NPL-01
Manhattan SC NPL-01
The two former EDP/EDL NPL Club teams battle this week. For Manhattan this is an opportunity to pull even with NYSC, For NYSC it’s a must win to stay on top.

Quickstrike FC NPL-01
Intense SA NPL-01
ISA was a pre-season favorite to contend for a title, but instead they need to regroup for the spring. Quickstrike started with some promise but was quick to find out that this NPL is not so easy,

STA NPL-01
NJ Crush FC NPL-01
In this huge NJ battle STA can claim first with a win and a little help this week. While NJ Crush still has a game in hand but is in the driver’s seat when it comes to goal differential.

Anonymous said...

YST Score Central:

A look ahead to this week’s match ups:

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New England NPL

NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS
SEACOAST UNITED ELITE - DR- 01/02
The Fall season ends this week, but NEFC has already clinched first place and will receive the GS grand price for this league. While for Seacoast a win and some help can push them up to number 2 for the Fall

OAKWOOD SC
YANKEE UNITED F.C. BLAST NPL-01 BLUE
Oakwood currently the number 2 team in the league can lock it down by beating state rival Yankee united who can also claim 2nd with a little help.

Anonymous said...

YST Score Central:

A look ahead to this week’s match ups:

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Northeast Girls NPL

Pre-ECNL Flight

Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Albertson ends their season this weekend a win will help them move up the ladder. While World Class will look for some redemption after a slow start to u13 soccer.

FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FSA playing their 4th game against the pre-season favorite from Boston who slipped a couple of times which may cost them the Fall title

East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
This is probably the game of the fall when it comes to league play. You have the team everyone hates in NJ playing the team that everyone hates on Long Island. By the way they both happen to be 1 & 2 going into this battle.

Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
CFC doesn’t have a lot of games under their belt this should be a good test for FC Stars who can move within a point of PennFusion who’s done for the year with 18 pts.

Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
PDA 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
On paper this should be a walk in the park, but Albertson has been known to surprise teams when they look beyond them.

East Meadow SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
It doesn’t get any easier for EM, while paper will tell us EM should romp WC may have had this game marked down on the calendar as the one the want in this NYE affair.

Connecticut FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Boston Breakers Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
Should be a great test for CFC Boston looking to stay in the hunt and keep the pressure on 1& 2.

FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
His should be an even battle in the 4th game of the week putting CT vs MA.

Anonymous said...

YST Score Central:

A look ahead to this week’s match ups:

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Northeast Girls NPL

NPL Flight

Albertson SC 01 NPL
World Class FC 01 NPL
Albertson looking for their 3rd win of the season vs their NYE rival, while World Class looking to salvage the season and not finish in the basement.

Connecticut FC 01 NPL
FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL
CFC has been on fire since they started playing and should rack up another 3 points vs FC Stars this week on paper.

FSA FC 01 NPL
Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL
FSA also looking good which makes the league a stronger, but unfortunately for the league when it comes to getting some GS flight value love the FSA GS account management decision hurts this league the most. Boston on the other hand missed on a golden opportunity last week to come away with 6, have a chance this week to go against teams they will battle directly for a post season spot.

PDA North 01 NPL
PDA South 01 NPL
Two little sisters do battle in this one, with North holding the better position in the standings and South holding a game in hand.

Albertson SC 01 NPL
PDA South 01 NPL
South maks up their game in hand and should get an easy 3 on paper vs Albertson.

FSA FC 01 NPL
FC Stars of Mass 01 NPL
FSA can continue their strong start by tacking on two more clean sheets to their u13 season vs FC Stars

Connecticut FC 01 NPL
Boston Breakers Academy 01 NPL
CFC ends the CT vs MA battles and is also looking to add 2 more clean sheets to their u13 season. As mentioned before big weekend for Boston.

Anonymous said...

Is GS points guy around for the Wildcats total projected State Cup haul?

Anonymous said...

Dear YST Score Central, you rock!

Anonymous said...

So PDA shore team coach got yellow carded?But its ok because he is passionate and they won anyway.Classy PDA.I have not heard good things about this coach be weary parents.Coached many different teams.Long history.

Anonymous said...

651 which PDA team are you referring to? the new shore team down in toms river? fusion is name I think?

Anonymous said...

I believe they will move up from 3 to 2 in nj and up to 6 or 7 in region 1 after last years state cup points are deducted and this years added in.

Anonymous said...

only rankings that mean anything from here on out

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women/u13/1/440

Anonymous said...

YAAAAWWWNNN!!
#onlyucare#giveitup#your daughter won't even be playing in2years#newtopic

Anonymous said...

Don't like rankings that are subjective like top drawer.
To each his own though.

Anonymous said...

yes referring to Fusion coach.

Anonymous said...

who would want to play on PDA'S "D" team anyway?

Anonymous said...

Nice

Ajax is in no way a second ranked team statewide.

Wildcats slotting in there makes sense

Anonymous said...

I would lean towards Top Drawer over Got soccer points. Points now a days are just not working

Anonymous said...

like it or not it definitely is a second rate team in the club.Best players get moved.Others write checks.

Anonymous said...

I'll take you upon this debate and defend GS. How are they not working?

This Fall in addition to all the major tournaments and GS tournaments Leagues will get points based on the top teams in the league. NYCSL NPL,New England NPL, NorthEast NPL Pre-ECNL and NPL flights, EDP and even JAGS will award points. So every team in these leagues will be playing by the same rules. By the end of Spring when these leagues add their Spring League points and all the big Spring Tournaments we will have true top 10's/

Your turn. If you lean towards top drawer please share their logic.

Anonymous said...

Big 3 Tournaments to end Fall

Bethesda
NESS
MAPS

Did I miss any

Anonymous said...

NEWSS --- National Elite Womens Soccer Showcase
11/29/2014-11/30/2014

Teams Applied
Girls U13

Albertson Soccer Club WEST
Albertson Soccer Club Fury '01 Pre-ECNL
Atlantic United Academy - Avalanche
Atletico FC Girls '01 t
Capital United Blue Force
DE Union Orange '01
East Meadow HotShotz
Glen Shields FC (Canada)
LaGrange Soccer Club Rage
Levittown Soccer Club Supersonics
Manhattan SC G01 Pride
Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies
Mercer FC Spurs
NHP Wildcats Lady Jaguars
Perfect Touch Soccer Academy Girls
Ramapo Valley SC Tornados '02
STA Morris United NPL 01
TSF Academy 01/02G
Yankee United F.C.Blast NPL-01 Blue

Anonymous said...

Ajax throttled Wildcats 3-1 at U13, of course they should be ranked higher.

Anonymous said...

PDA fusion ... Will that be a ecnl team or npl . ???? How many teams can be ecnl teams for pda .

Anonymous said...

11:51 what else do you have?? You have been riding on that one consolation game for quite awhile now.

Anonymous said...

I hear many teams about to start losing players for the spring and next year.

Anonymous said...

GS updated NJ rankings with 2014 Nj Cup points and removed 2013 cup points.

Below are the NJ top 20 rankings sorted by current points minus the points they will lose in the fall.

Plus we will need to add the Fall League points.

Points going Away (current GS rank)
0,000 (5) PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM 17041
3,088 (1) PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX 16976
3,735 (4) NJCSA GALAXY 14194
4,969 (2) NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH 13777
4,888 (3) STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 13580
0,669 (7) MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPL 10319
0,000 (13) PDA DRAGONS 7580
0,419 (12) ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE 7306
2,247 (9) TSF ACADEMY 01/02G 7199
0,000 (16) MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL 6577
2,920 (10) SDFC SAMBA 5668
1,552 (15) JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH 5381
1,759 (14) NJCSA ELITE 5266
0,466 (17) FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA NPL 5238
0,566 (18) MERCER FC SPURS 5115
0,245 (19) PDA SHORE FUSION 4591
7.538 (6) RAGE FC PREMIER FREEDOM 3957
0,836 (20) NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE 3571
6,482 (8) NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI 3502
5,778 (11) INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 01-02 2011

Anonymous said...

5:08- Thats all I need. When talking about which teams are better the team that outplays, out scores and out hustles another team is the better team.

If you want to disregard a 3-1 loss, then can we say that STA and Crush are both better than the Wildcats?

Can't have it both ways.

Anonymous said...

My bad GS did not add 2014 NJ cup points they only removed 2013.

So the list I posted is basically currents GS top 20 less points for 2013 Fall

Anonymous said...

How are EDP league champions determined and points added when there are still games to play?

Anonymous said...

9:01 Good question. Maybe it will still adjust. It also seems league flight values were calculated currently vs beginning of league season. Is GS guy around?

Anonymous said...

Maybe now you guys understand why YST Score Central or GS guy doesn't do anything with EDP/EDL? When they don't update their EDL page (The NPL league), it shows they don't care.

It looks like they calculated their flights and the points will adjust as they move up and down the table. Giving their teams an early christmas present.

Speaking of which go STA you guys are going to rack up league points this FALL. By doing both EDP and NYCSL NPL.

U13 EDP Flight Values

1st Division North 4450
1st Division Central 9000
2nd Division South 1632
2nd Division North 4184
2nd Division Central 2801
Maps Elite 1107
Crossover Games 3867

Anonymous said...

8:36 your use of deductive reasoning and logic is amazing. Check the label on that bottled water you've been drinking.
Wake up, smell the coffee and realize your team is done as a top flight team.
Your own club will no longer allow you to be flighted in top flight if your Club's A team is in the same tournament. And EVERY Time your A team is in a tournament or event you will be playing without your top 1-3 players that weekend who they will take with the A Team to their event.
All the major tournaments outside nj will look at your NE NPL league affiliation and recognize that EVERY TEAM in that league is the B Team of their respective club and flight you lower as we have already seen this fall with Bethesda flighting as
MF NE NPL Team is in same boat going forward. Your teams are now basically the JV Teams in your club with your teams players all fighting for that occasional call-up to varsity.
Which for most of your girls will prove extremely elusive.
By next fall the A Team will have picked your bones of your best 1-3 players and most of you will be left with a much diminished 2nd flight Team moving forward, still pretty competitive, but never again a top flighted team at major tournaments.

Anonymous said...

You see, posters come on and say GS stinks.

Here are 2 examples of how the management of tool kill the rankings.

1. EDP ends season early to award points will season is still in progress. This benefits teams playing any event prior to the end of the EDP season. Example NJ Cup, will get a GS flight injection.

2. FSA adds a new team and creates a new GS account. So instead of giving this account to the new team they give it to their NPL team. The give their new team their Navy account which was #1 in CT and their White account to their Pre-ECNL team. Which awards points to teams beating up on their 3rd team 300pt bonus plus their flight values are higher. The Pre-ECNL team doesn't matter which account they get because they will be ECNL, the NPL team got the raw deal instead of being ranked top 100 they are further down the list.

These are just two examples of why GS will never be perfect. But I still love it. You can never account for mismanagement or people looking for an edge to tweak the system they will never go away.

Anonymous said...

So Coach, how does it feel to get beat 3-1 by a B team?



Anonymous said...

I agree 10:23, if they didn't have PDA in their team name people would be like that AJAX team is pretty good, but because they do have PDA in the name and everyone knows they are not the ECNL team - they are now a "b" team.

Honestly, I would rather my kid play on these B teams rather than 90% of the A teams in Region 1. Not just NJ region 1.

But you are right they are a B team and if it doesn't bother those parents - what's your beef? Does the 3-1 score line bother you that much?

Anonymous said...

8:36 you are losing all credibility

All that tells us is you don't have anything else to hang your hat on

Good try though

After the all important ecnl and npl games that is your only kudo

Sad, very sad

Anonymous said...

The funny part is that game doesn't bother us at all.

You are making it way more than what it was but that's OK. Good for you!

Good luck in your next "friendly"

Anonymous said...

yes, PDA coach at Fusion out of TRFC got yellow carded. His team was performing weakly and tied with Real Shore at half time. The goalie from Real had about 40 saves give or take in the match. I would say about 200 plus people on side lines for Saturday night match under the lights. PDA coach showed little class, as yellow card given everyone clapped. shame on him. but they won and pay $2600 per year.

Anonymous said...

Is it unusual for EDP girl to leave now for new team after fall season ends? Are their penalties for that, have to sit a match or two or anything like that silly rule in MOSA? thanks

Anonymous said...

@10:13

I usually don't like to get involved in territorial supremacy fights between two teams but I will make exception this time.

The Ajax team in the short term will suffer a bit as the ECNL team choses a player or two that will be able to help the ECNL team form it major core for u14. Contrary to popular belief, it will not always be the best player, it will be the player that helps fill in the hole that the ECNL has in their line up.
(e.i) You can have a great defender and great forward on the AJAX team but if the ECNL team has their fill of forwards, they will pick up the defender. This is an important distinction because as the ajax team matures-u15, u16, u17, there will be some significant player talent on this team.

2nd point is that as the teams get older, the ECNL teams will be very stingy about what major tournaments the ECNL teams will be involved in outside the ECNL. This will give the Ajax team access to top flights in many major tournaments.

The Ajax team will be the team that the wildcat team will most likely see in major tournaments.

Further the clout of an organization like PDA will give Ajax an advantage in entering major tournaments because of the clubs reputation.

The Wildcat team may be a major force in years to come and will be able to enter the top flights of the best tournaments at u15 and above or their team may fade as most of the older teams have faded before them. It will be up to coach, training and how many kids they attract to help keep this team strong. The brand of PDA will continue to attract players. Players will continue to come into the program.

You only need to look at PDA's , two u18 teams from last year to understand the business model.

One team ,ECNL, won the ECNL national championship. The other team , PDA's second team, were finalist in the non ECNL National championship

Both teams had their share of committed D1 & high level D2players.

So regardless of which team(wildcats or AJAX) becomes the better team as the girls mature, both teams should have plenty of opportunity at High level tournaments.


-Soccer Nut-

Anonymous said...

That is what the pressure to win right away will do. Worry about training and developing the girls you already have and not just recruiting players from all the other clubs.

Anonymous said...

These aren't invalid points, 10:13. And I think for the audience you were addressing -- a parent posting old scores on a soccer blog -- you aren't wrong. But I would assume that the bulk of the parents on that B team are just looking for the best experience (training, some success on the field) for their kids, and do not care that their squad is technically the B team. That's just a label that only the kooks care about.

Anonymous said...

no penalties for leaving EDP team mid season

don't worry
do what's best for your child

Anonymous said...

I am not sure who the person is trying to poke the Wildcats about the Ajax match of 2 months ago. Not sure if it is Ajax or more likely someone posing as them just to stir it up, but whoever it is, you may want to pick a different week to do it considering their successful SC results. You may want to let it lie until their next game vs. Boca :). Let them have their moment.

Anonymous said...

rarely do I comment on this blog, watch out for BOCA, their U12 boys team almost won state cup. Magic is happening their somehow. Of course PDA beat that U12 boca team in final. And yes applicable because U13 team is real hot right now.

Anonymous said...

If its the Ajax folks, 11:40, I guess their stance is that they too would have handled CRUSH

Of course they never have, so take that as you will...

Anonymous said...

AJAX>CRUSH

Anonymous said...

What are results head to head Ajax vs Crush at U12/U13?

Anonymous said...

OH NO A FIRE, let me throw some gas on it..

1. PDA Storm
2. MF ECNL
3. MF NPL
4. PDA South
5. Wildcats
6. STA
7. PDA North
8. Crush
9. TSF
10. Galaxy

Think thats a fair list, in MY OPINION.

Anonymous said...

He's the same person who has been one noting it over and over any time WC lose a game.Hopelessly obsessed with their team.

Anonymous said...

Yes, he is a real stalker.
Heard his daughter doesn't even play soccer anymore and he still lives on the blog every day attacking wildcats.
It's a shame, but hate and bitterness is eating him up.

Anonymous said...

Is that the Freehold guy from Manalapan Dynamite?

Anonymous said...

Good list 12:40

I'd think Samba and IGFA would be the next 2 - and wish to be included in top 10.

Anonymous said...

Ajax have never defeated Crush

Anonymous said...

What is the head to head overall record of Ajax Crush at U12/U13?

Anonymous said...

no record, officially

Anonymous said...

11:57 the u12b team that made is to SC finals is a Stafford town team, same coach as the boca u13g team though. both teams have been on the rise this season, maybe top 15 in state, but don't think they have broke the top 10 yet. but agreed that there must be some solid coaching as both are improving consistently.

Anonymous said...

AJAX > crush

Anonymous said...

Are you awaiting a rebuttal?

Anonymous said...

Have to agree it can't be an ajax parent posting.
there record vs Crush and Wildcats is dismal.
1 win combined vs those 2 teams in the last year in about a dozen games.

Anonymous said...

You parents are too much... Obviously the obsession with PDA shore coach is coming from real shore parents. My kid doesn't play on either team but plays middle school soccer with kids on both teams, we went to watch the game. Yes PDA coach got yellow carded, the coach yelled "Hey," when his player was fouled from behind. Certainly not yellow card worthy, what was truly classless was the real shore parents clapping when the card was given. Grow up people!!!!

Anonymous said...

12:40 I like your list.

1 & 2 can go either was but based on Fall Pre-ECNL Division you got it right.

3. MF NPL has done nothing to say they have dropped besides less tournaments = less GS points. They are doing well in NPL division.

4-6 can go either way depending on who you ask between NJ Wildcats, PDA South and PDA North. The PDA question should be answered this week.

7-10 in any order on any given day one can beat the other

11+ I know BOCA has been making a push, but I think Atlantic, SDFC is ahead of them and I would also like to see Copa, SJEB, Medford (NJYS State Cup Champs) and PDA shore in the conversation.

AS I said I think you did a great job an I think you got the teams right, but this is u13 soccer and a lot can change very quickly

Anonymous said...

MF NPL should be lower. Has not been impressive in NPL with ties to both Penn Fusion and PDA NPL North. Win against PDA NPL South impressive but sounds like some of their best players have been moved to the Storm.

Anonymous said...

@PDA shore fusion parent. So now referees are giving PDA coaches unnecessary cards you are saying? Come on, the last thing, ever, in the world a ref wants to do is give a card, trust me, being a ref in my older days. This all gets logged in remember, especially at EDP level. Remember another coach on this blog is coded "red card" maybe we make PDA coaches who are carded "did not deserve card" ........... go PDA $2600 per year, please start at U8 and also be sure to do ODP for $1600 per year. Real Shore is EDP, but like town team, not sure parents from that team blog on here.

Anonymous said...

"My kid doesn't play on either team but plays middle school soccer with kids on both teams, we went to watch the game."

The needle on my BS Meter just bent.

Anonymous said...

PDa Fusion is the "D" team? How do you make a D team? that is weird and they pay that much money? Why not stay on local good team, perhaps the D team aspires to be C/B/A, but that would mean many, many girls to overcome to get there. Remember the U14 PDA shore team folded, Brick parents were smart and stayed Brick, and btw, they are kicking arse without the PDA fees and name. PDA really scammed those TR teams, they made over $200K per year with that move. Great business model, but PDA before U13/14, same with ODP, why before U12 and why D team, just parents reliving child hood dreams to say they play for PDA. right?

Anonymous said...

2:26 Medford, Copa, and Boca were in the same flight at EDP Cup and Boca came out on top, defeating Meford 2-0 in the finals so I would say Boca tops all them. Looks like SJEB and Boca will be meeting up for the EDP Open this weekend, interested to see that result. As for Atlantic United, they lost to Medford and PDA Shore in EDP but topped SJEB. And then several of these teams may be touching base at the Fall Challenge as well so these 11-15 spots should figure themselves out within the next month or so. Congrats to Medford on their SC win, let's see them move into the higher bracket next year.

As of today I would have to place the 11+ in the following order:

1. BOCA (beat Meford who has defeated the other below teams)
2. Medford (beat PDA shore and Copa Lima)
3. PDA Shore (beat Atlantic United and SJEB)
4. Atlantic United (beat SJEB)
5. SJEB
5. FC Copa Lima

You might look for a couple of these teams to make their way into the 6-10 positions as well, depending on how the others hold on to players.

I would also argue that PDA Shore is a "D" team. There is a large mileage between Shore and the North/South teams so I'm not certain there is going to be as much movement between the teams and that they are considered "D".

Anonymous said...

correction to last post... "that PDA Shore is NOT a D team"

Anonymous said...

3:54 Thank you!! I like your logic it makes perfect sense. It's good to see some representation of the up and coming teams/clubs on this board. I've been trying to include MA, CT & VA NPL teams.

I wanted to include EDP in all my updates. I just find it very hard to talk because scores don't get updated for weeks. For example Calvert got a win vs LVU that score just got posted but the game was played 2 weeks ago.

The EDL NPL page hasn't been touched in Months, they still have 2 clubs no longer in the league on it. I want to include them but it's very hard to find information.

PS. Great Job with your breakdown

Anonymous said...

I would love to see the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic steal a page from the Northwest Champions League NPL.

For starters lets Call it the
Atlantic Champions League (ACL) and make it the 20th NPL.

We can take the top 2 teams from NorthEast NPL, New England NPL, NYCSL NPL, EDP/EDL NPL and Virginia NPL.

Then every year at the end of each season the champion of each NPL will play in a pro/rel event with the 10th place team of the ACL. The winner joins o stays in ACL.

We could see a league with these 10 teams:

MF NPL
PDA South
NEFC
Oakwood
NYSC
STA
NJ Wildcats
TSF
PWSI
VA Rush

This may not be ECNL but it would have 10 very strong teams with a door open for other NPL teams to join.

EDP Can also build on this idea, I think they have started that

with
MAPS
D2
D1
pro/rel

Anonymous said...

My own observations:

1. Penn Legacy
2. PDA Pre-ECNL
3. East Meadow Pre-ECNL
4. FC Stars of Mass Pre-ECNL
5. Penn Fusion Pre-ECNL
6. Match Fit Pre-ECNL
7. Boston Breakers Pre-ECNL
8. PDA NPL South
9. Match Fit NPL
10. 1776
11. Connecticut FC Pre-ECNL
12. World Class Pre-ECNL
13. FSA Pre-ECNL
14. Albertson Pre-ECNL
15. Penn Fusion NPL

Never seen:
Wildcats
PDA NPL North
Match Fit Black
NYSC
PA CLassics


Anonymous said...

How did you come up with these teams? Not the top teams in respective NPL

Anonymous said...

4:41 I have no problem bringing in the PA teams but you can have them that high. PL has tied Nj Wildcats and NJSCA Galaxy in 11v11 and Beat up on PennFusion (8v8) who's not the best team in Pre-ECNL Division.

1776 have beat none of the teams on this list and they have lost to the below should not be on this list - sorry. They haven't beat any team outside of their own PAGS league.

GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW) 0-1
FC STARS OF MASS NORTH UNITED (MA) 1-3
PWSI COURAGE 01 RED (VA) 1-3
BRYC 01 ELITE (VA) 0-1


But I still respect it and it's a different look.

Anonymous said...

My ACL list was totally random - but some are favorites on this board.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for a civilized rebuttal, 4:51. I figured there'd be some objections based on results. I'm basing it more on the quality of play...if 1 played 2 who would win. Sometimes it lines up nicely -- Penn Fusion above Match Fit Pre-ECNL, Boston Breakers Pre-ECNL, PDA NPL South, and Match Fit NPL...sometimes it doesn't. I've seen each of these teams play and I just think that's where 1776 should be slotted.

When Penn Legacy wants to win, they win. When they want to develop their players, results are mixed. With the future of life as we know it in the balance, in my opinion, they'd score more goals in a 70 minute game than any team on this list. That's why I have them at the top.

Anonymous said...

5:01 I would love to see them play ECNL/NPL rules 80 minutes with limited sub once your out you are out for the half. It's a different game with those rules.

Anonymous said...

With the future of life as we know it in the balance, they would not sub.

Anonymous said...

3:02pm one team is Lakewood and the other is Toms River so it's possible to know kids on both teams and for them to go to school together as their are neighboring towns

Anonymous said...

interesting with galaxy 4th in state, like 22nd in country? he moved them up quickly, or will points adjust? they did lose to only WC, they have been large part of conversation on here. I heard NJCSA investing 30 million or so in new facility Colts Neck, of course, Monmouth cty. academy status, ecnl and good coaching/teams/trainers can really propel this new ramos venture with some very good teams already.

Anonymous said...

5:16 then they are not deep and cannot be #1.

The best team will play you with a roster of 18 and you will not know the difference when they sub.

If we are talking about teams that only roster 15 for games or teams that depend on a handful of players - well I'm sorry but that is not and cannot be the best team.

Anonymous said...

10:33

On any team from pros on down, there are difference makers.

Not all players are created equal even at the highest level of sports. lose 1 difference maker and your team is handicapped. lose two difference makers and your team is not the same .

We want to pretend that at the top levels of this age group that all players are created equal.

The truth of the matter is remove a true difference maker from one high level team to another then the team that gets that player becomes stronger and the team that loses that player becomes weaker. Thats why they are called difference makers!



Anonymous said...

11:00 Not talking about individual players and level of play by these players.

Said Best team is deep and strong with 18 starters that dress every day, but only 11 can actually start.

A team like this will destroy any team with a difference maker or two because guess what even though 18 can start at any time, they also have difference makers.

What I said is that if a team has to shorten it's bench, well they are not that good are they as a team?

Anonymous said...

4;41 and 5:16 here, original poster.

I honestly have no idea how deep PL's bench is. It may totally rock.

The list was a "who would beat who" list, not a "here are the best teams" list or "here's who plays the 'best soccer'" list.

I think in a one game, winner take all situation, the higher ranked teams would beat the ones below them. Again, just my opinion, based on what I have seen from each of those teams on the field. I've intentionally left off the teams I haven't seen for this reason.

Anonymous said...

And I like 11:00's point, too. If a team with a weak bench cannot be the best team, can a team with two difference makers who carry the load really be considered the best? I say no. Take only one or two players away and suddenly the team is average? How can that be the best team?

Anonymous said...

8:19

Unfortunately, that is every team in this age group. If you take off the top 2 players from each top team, that team would fall off dramatically.

Anonymous said...

"A team like this will destroy any team with a difference maker or two because guess what even though 18 can start at any time, they also have difference makers."


I disagree, the definition of my difference maker is that there are only a few per age group. so not every team has one. you can have a couple of very good players( strongest players on the team) but it does not make them difference makers) By definition-If you put a difference maker on the same team as the team that has 18 good solid players even when a couple of them are stronger than the rest, the difference maker brings that team to another level,--a lot of high level teams have strong players but they are not the same thing as difference makers.

Anonymous said...

"Unfortunately, that is every team in this age group. If you take off the top 2 players from each top team, that team would fall off dramatically."

For the teams where it is easy to identify the best two players, game after game, week after week, I agree. For those teams where on Saturday Sally and Susie were the two best players and on Sunday Rosie and Regan were the two best players, it is not necessarily true.

Anonymous said...

Please don't identify individual players by name.

Anonymous said...

lol
Susie juggles in the driveway

Anonymous said...

Dear YST Score Central guy,

Can you give me some NYCSL predictions for this weekend?

Quickstrike FC NPL-01
Intense SA NPL-01

New York SC NPL-01
Manhattan SC NPL-01

STA NPL-01
NJ Crush FC NPL-01

Anonymous said...

BOCA is in that top flight Nov 15/16, lets see what they can do.

Anonymous said...

NYSC over Manhattan
STA over Crush

Anonymous said...

Weird

Why did EDP give out fall league points already?

Anonymous said...

they always do that

Anonymous said...

Trick or Treat..

Oh nice costume.. are you supposed to be a top team? Here you go.. 2500 points.

Anonymous said...

@u13

NYSC (GP13, W6, T3, L4)
Manhattan (GP12, W5, T3, L4)

NYSC is W2-L1 vs Manhattan head 2 head
============================
NJ Crush (GP16,W10, T1, L5)
STA NPL (GP19, W13, T1, L5)

STA is W1-T1-L2 vs Crush head 2 head
=============================
NYSC should win on paper
STS/Crush should end up in a tie.

Anonymous said...

My favorite is Crush and TSF playing 1 game but counting it 3 times.

EDP
CJYSA
NJ Cup.

Why wouldn't you play 3 games? Didn't you just cheat your kids out of playing 2 games this season?

Anonymous said...

CJYSA? What is that?

Anonymous said...

Triple the points. That's why GS doesn't work

Anonymous said...

No points associated with that

Anonymous said...

"Why wouldn't you play 3 games? Didn't you just cheat your kids out of playing 2 games this season?"
They are really only missing 1 game. The EDP Crossover game counts as a CJYSA game, but it's not a separate game. With both of those team making the semis, you would assume they both cleared their schedules last Sat and Sunday, and the week prior, so they probably have games in queue to be made up.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
BOCA is in that top flight Nov 15/16, lets see what they can do.
October 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM

HAHahahahahahahahahahah. I like how you conveniently left out the fact that you're in the "top flight" with the Who's Who of New Jersey soccer mediocrity. You sure have earned the respect of the u13 community now!

Can you do me a favor and please stay off the board until you've put together a resume that extends beyond a lone win over Wildcats six months ago in what is proving to be an anomaly more and more every day? There is no more self-promoting team than you, and that says a lot on this board.

Anonymous said...


I get it this is how EDP allows teams to be caredfor both US Club Soccer and USYSA via CJYSA. So I can see why EDP and CJYSA scores are listed. The points are not doubled for Wins or flights.

However, why would you let your league game count as your NCS game?
I get it they agreed to play one game winner gets all. But why?

National Championship Series u11-u14

CJYSA U13
NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
TSF ACADEMY 01/02 (NJ)
SDFC SAMBA (NJ)
INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 01-02 (NJ)
FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA (NJ)

EDP U13 1st Division North
HBC SPARK (NYE)
BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)
SABA BROOKLYN CITY (NYE)
SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)
TSF ACADEMY 01/02 (NJ)
RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)
NJCSA ELITE (NJ)

Anonymous said...

As of today I would have to place the 11+ in the following order:

1. BOCA (beat Meford who has defeated the other below teams)
2. Medford (beat PDA shore and Copa Lima)
3. PDA Shore (beat Atlantic United and SJEB)
4. Atlantic United (beat SJEB)
5. SJEB
5. FC Copa Lima

Anonymous said...

@2:58 Hahahaha guy; sounds like you are a Wildcat parent. So the haha is on you!

10:41 was only responding to prior posts where they were wondering if Boca would get moved up. And a more recent post ranking the 8-15 teams in state. That top flight includes 3 of the teams that were mentioned.

This board isn't just for PDA, MF, WC, and Wildcats. I for one like to hear about the up and coming teams as well.

So 2:58 Wildcat parent, please take your Boca loss and move on. Nobody even mentioned the Boca win over Wildcats except you.

Anonymous said...

@258pm
see above, I would love my daughters team to be in this company. regarding BOCA come on.

Anonymous said...

3:09 do you have a comment on your post? it was only copied from above??

Anonymous said...

3:11 agree. not all teams can be #1-10 at one time, some may be lower but are making a move. I have been looking for a new team for my daughter and boca and pda shore both on my list. I know they aren't top 10 but close enough to where I would love for my daughter to play. Sad that the other parents on this board bash those teams just because they aren't "the best"

Anonymous said...

2:58 definitely a sour Wildcat parent. Other teams can talk as well. Move on, you're too pompeous!

Anonymous said...

You're all wrong. I hate the Wildcat parents as much as anyone on this board. My daughter plays on one of those other teams on the outside looking in to the top 10. But you come off so demanding of everyone's attention and respect. You're a decent team, but tell me. Of the other teams you mention in your 11-15 (and clearly that's you also), how many of them are arguing about positioning outside of the top ten? What's the difference between 11 and 12? Or 11 and 15 really? Who cares but you? Certainly not the parents of Medford, PDA Shore, Atlantic United, SJEB or Copa. I've never heard a peep from them.

Anonymous said...

It's all very reminiscent of the GAKster. And knowing what I know, I guess it's safe to assume I know who this is coming from. You'll never change.

Anonymous said...

Other 2:58

They allowed the NCS game to count as a league game. They played the NCS game in Marlboro last week right after STA/Wildcats. Since the EDP game is a crossover game and has no impact on the league standings, they probably agreed to count it twice to get the game out of the way because schedules are already jam packed this time of year. This is not unusual. We haven't been able to fit every game on our EDP schedule in once since U11.

Anonymous said...

When will state cup points be awarded

Anonymous said...

Wildcats are not on the board attacing Boca, please.
Wildcats are not worrying about Boca one way or the other.
we wish them well.
By the way totally agree that this board is for ALL U13 teams, not a select few. Wildcats came up the ladder from where you are ranked now(10-15) so we have been there and know how hard it is to gain respect.
Stop assuming you know it was us who is attacking your team.
Unless this is the same sicko who jumps in and poses at any chance to blame wildcats for anything over last 18 months.
And we all know the stalker we are talking about.
Same MO over and over.
Tries to blame every issue and every negative post on wildcats.
No one is buying stalker.

Anonymous said...

Yes, 2:58 is the Freehold/Manalapan Dynamite Stalkers MO.

Anonymous said...

It's the Boca Coach or parent just trying to induce any unhappy stragglers from top teams to come their way.
Nothing more or less.

Anonymous said...

Who's the gakster? I'm lost.

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Anonymous said...

Was he with gak, sjeb, and now boca?

Anonymous said...

Definitely was with Gak, not sure about sjeb. Yes, he is with boca now.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

I clarify that this parent moved from GAK to the SJEB 'b' team to Boca and my comment gets removed? On what basis?

Anonymous said...

YST Score Central:

GS Top 5s point accumulations going into th end of October,another update to follow on Nov 1 and every 1st of the month after.

CT
1 CFC WEST ORANGE (ECNL?)
2 FSA FC U13 GIRLS ELITE 01 (C Team)
3 CFC ARSENAL SKY (NPL?)
4 OAKWOOD SC (NPL)
5 FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01

MA
1 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE
2 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED
3 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (NPL)
4 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL
5 NEFC CENTRAL UNITED U13 GIRLS

MD
1 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (EDP)
2 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (EDP)
3 PIPELINE BLACK (EDP)
4 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL
5 PHWM SC PUMAS

NJ
1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NPL)
2 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01
3 WILDCATS AVERBUCH (EDP)
4 NJCSA GALAXY (EDP)
5 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORM (ECNL)

NYE
1 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON (ECNL)
2 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (ECNL)
3 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01
4 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL (ECNL)
5 ISA 01 NPL

PAE
1 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK
2 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL
3 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT
4 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (EDP)
5 FC REVOLUTION FORCE

VA
1 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01
2 BRYC 01 ELITE
3 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (NPL)
4 VIENNA YOUTH SOCCER VYS PRIDE '01 RED
5 FC VIRGINIA UNITED '01

Anonymous said...

The recently maligned CES Calvert Crew White team has moved to #2 in the country (GS)

Top NJ team is now #15

Anonymous said...

10:15 You can thank EDP for that.

I wouldn't worry about that. Once North East Girls NPL season ends either in the Spring or if hey will split it into two the Pre_ECNL flight should carry a max 10,000 value if they can determine which are the ECNL team GS accounts. FSA has proven that can be a challenge.

NewEngland NPL & NYCSL NPL don't assign point until the season is over no Free points to jack up any events they are in.


Anonymous said...

just for clarification, gakster was only with boca for a very short timeframe last spring. don't know where he is now.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, 10:14. For CT, I think CFC Arsenal is the pre-ECNL team.

Anonymous said...

@918 That is weird, my daughter plays EDP, not top 10, but very good player, lets be honest, their are like 4 EDP teams in Ocean County, so if you play EDP at all you are hands down amongst best in area. Remember you have MOSA players in EDP, you have EDP player on MOSA teams, probably premier. my younger daughter is on mosa nat 3, but she and select others are just not nat 3 players on that team, but that will fall out quickly as usually does as kids stop at U10/11/12 etc. hence why mosa has only through nat 4 at U13 current, but nat 7 at younger ages. So to all who read and post, be happy if your daughter is beyond MOSA, not even sure premier is good anymore, it used to be the place to be years ago? you have JAGS, MAPS, ODP, EDP, ECNL, MOSA is like rec league now? Get out as quickly as you can if decent player??

Anonymous said...

@10:50AM

So wait...Spring 2013 he was with GAK. Fall 2013 with SJEB B Team. Spring 2014 with Boca? Three teams in three seasons? And now Fall 2014 a fourth team?

Are they trying to collect jerseys from every team in NJ?

Anonymous said...

12:00 very interesting below are your top flights in some non EDP leagues

JAGS
1) STATEN ISLAND UNITED
2) HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO
3) FREEHOLD SL FREEDOM
3) THISTLE COMETS
5) WALL SC WAVE
6) HADDONFIELD SC
6) JACKSON SC AVALANCHE
8) MOUNT LAUREL UNITED FURY
9) OCEAN TOWNSHIP UNITED SA

NCSA
NoValley
Maroons
WayneSC
Clifton
NoRockland 13
Arsenal
Arsenal
SDFC
Emerson
RiverDell
Tenafly

MCYSA
East Hanover Sting
West Essex FC Lightning
Kinnelon Sting
Madison Marvels
Roxbury Arsenal
Morris United Strikers

MOSA
Hazlet United SA
Peninsula S.C
Middletown S.C.
Bricktown S.A.
Battle of Monmouth S.C.
Howell United S.C.

Anonymous said...

This is the answer to why teams travel and play in leagues like EDP if they consider themselves Premier.

Anonymous said...

1235 interesting post, very. So some of the teams in JAGS not bad. MOSA Middletown usually good club, Bricktown has great U14 sure we all know about. Otherwise weak. I do believe JAGS teams would crush all MOSA teams and EDP teams would beat, not crush the JAGS teams. Jackson is not bad, Freehold, Wall and Thistle.

Anonymous said...

Just seeing the "top 5" GS points makes me chuckle..... Keep chasing them and believing that those points "make" you good.....

Anonymous said...

Translation: GS has my kid's team ranked 104 in NJ.

People who think GS is 100% useless are the same as people who think GS is the most important thing around. Both make me chuckle.

I think its natural to have an interest in which teams are good or not. Considering it is impossible to see every team play, GS is one way to try to compare two teams that have never played each other.

Anonymous said...

Why would it make you chuckle? As long as you maintain perspective, there's value in it. With so much movement up and down the rankings on any given week when the top teams don't even play each other, clearly it's not perfect. But if you use the rankings and apply a sort of "standard deviation", and recognize that a teams actual ranking is not as accurate as it's approximate ranking, then everything makes sense.

Anonymous said...

1:47 - I know what you are saying but i don't get it. How can you be calling teams out for playing tournaments.

Most successful teams at the top of the GS ranking have played approx 10 tournaments which includes Fall/Spring leagues and 1 or 2 state Cups depending on your state. Sticking to NJ so if a team has a high GS rank from accumulation of points from 10 events - two which are EDP Fall/Spring league games + Fall/Spring State Cups. That leaves them with 6 tournaments and approx 40 total games played.

How is that chasing?

I agree 2:39 it's a simple tool using simple math to measure a team's success and as 2;39 said if you want to compare teams because you can well it's very helpful.

Anonymous said...

sorry 3:01 just saw your post, you speak my language. but i would rather they use coefficients when determining their rankings, much cleaner.

Anonymous said...

3:07 they are claaing it point chasing becuase their own team has dropped of course.
In the meantime their clubs have not entered them in state cup, or top out of state tournaments and they are blaming the teams who did enter.

Anonymous said...

Those teams do not play the same talent level as other teams period. So using your rationale, Ajax, STA and Wildcats play tougher teams than Storm? You are delusional. It shows second level team movement. That is all it really does..... Again, a good read for them but the teams playing the top ECNL NE NPL programs are not playing in the tourneys where they can rack up points. They are playing back to back Sat/Sun games against all of these academy teams. And most are far better than who these teams are playing in any of the tournaments they are playing. Name ONE team that those teams have beaten at a tourney where they got points that are "better" than a Storm like team.....

Anonymous said...

Are you referring to the list posted by 11:14? If so, there are like 11 or 12 ECNL teams on that list. Almost a third of the teams listed. ECNL is well-represented.

Anonymous said...

Can't speak for other ECNL teams, but we've played in

Jeff Cup
Delco
Spirit
WAGS

and will soon play in Bethesda.

We play in these tournaments to face good competition, not to "rack up points". But to say no ECNL teams are playing in tournaments is just wrong.

It feels kind of hypocritical to put down teams for not being in a tough ECNL league, and then to also put them down for playing in competitive tournaments.

The whole thing smells like a way to put down the Wildcats again. Like others, I am no fan of the way their parents/coach post on this blog, but this is ridiculous.

I think folks are starting to see through the whole "I hate team X, but I don't want to attach them directly. Instead, I'll attack them broadly as a team that (insert: chases GS points, plays kick and run, plays in a weak league)" charade.

Anonymous said...

You just do not get it.... ECNL is at a different level. The fact that any other teams are "ranked" higher is a joke. But I know the points make certain teams feel better so it is what it is.... Enjoy the chase...

Anonymous said...

Now we see who put it together. True colors always come out. Not near as many of these tournaments are played by ECNL teams. They have too many Sat Sun match ups against the other programs.... Funny how the truth always comes out. Thanks for proving the point.

Anonymous said...

What "top teams" have you beaten at these tournaments????

Anonymous said...

GS would probably be improved with a "Pts earned per tournament entered" feature.

But GS wants teams to chase points. They want them to keep entering tournaments that use GS's software. So they are disincentivized to provide a feature that rewards teams that enter less tournaments, or discourages them from entering tournaments that award few GS points.

Anonymous said...

Who are you talking to, 3:37?

Anonymous said...

Entering less tournaments is just a silly thought process

If you think a certain team is overscheduling, just say so.

You want a team to be able to play one tourney, second/third flight, win, get 6-8000 points and sit on it atop some mythical table......

Good luck with this,

Playing games - education.

Anonymous said...

Spot on 4:22......

Anonymous said...

"Entering less tournaments is just a silly thought process

If you think a certain team is overscheduling, just say so.

You want a team to be able to play one tourney, second/third flight, win, get 6-8000 points and sit on it atop some mythical table......

Good luck with this,

Playing games - education."

Can you write this again, but this time write it so that readers can actually understand it?

Anonymous said...

NE NPL teams like ajax, mf and dragons are playing better comp in NE npl and edp cup(oh and randolph tournament where dragons played columbus day weekend) then wildcats played in wags, Spirit and bethesda top flight?
Now who is delusional?
Who have they played other than ecnl B teams in their league.
Yes 3:33, it's the wildcats(team x) hater and his I'll attack them indirectly charade. Or pose as injured party and blame them charade.As you say we are all seeing through his agenda.

Anonymous said...

the ecnl club B team's in NE NPL that the 3 jersey teams play are not a stronger group than Calvert, Pipeline, Hartford, STA, Wildcats, Galaxy,etc in current fall EDP league or that will be in EDL come spring league play.

Anonymous said...

The problem with the GS rankings today is that EDP is postng league results before the season is over which is elevating teams temorarily. They did this last season as well. A true picture would be to eliminate these points until the season is final and EDP has final standings.

Anonymous said...

PDA North, PDA South, MF NPL, Penn Fusion, FSA and Connecticut are better than the teams listed in EDP.

Anonymous said...

4:54

Galaxy? Come on.

Anonymous said...

Truth is Wildcats played all their games at WAGS vs ecnl teams and will play all their games at bethesda vs ecnl teams.
Only ecnl team trying to avoid playing outside ecnl league to "rest" is storm.
And Storm ended up entering EDP Cup along with Calvert the same weekend as WAGS and getting the "easier points" so who are you referring to as "chasing points"?
If wildcats were chasing points why would they enter top flights in WAGS, Bethesda ,etc. they are unlikely to get GS points at those flights and if they do they will certainly be earned and not "chased". Looks more like the only thing they are "chasing" is playing the top competition out there.

Anonymous said...

4:57 the B Teams from Penn Fusion, FSA and Conn clubs are better than Wildcats , Calvert, Pipeline, StA, etc?
Come on very comparable leagues.
When you add the top flight in WAGS, Bethesda, Spirit tournaments wildcats enter while you stay local or home how can you say you are playing tougher overall schedule this fall?
Wildcats are not responsible for your situation your club is.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget hartford Maryland team in EDP.
Very competitive team.

Anonymous said...

5:01

I don't think you should be throwing Stones at PDA Storm.

The comparison in pedigree is not even close.

In the next two years your survival is questionable.

The Storm under MO will be a significant team.

Perhaps the best player from your team may join the party.

Anonymous said...

MO needs to worry about RU after their collapse buddy. Seems pointless to coach a u13 team when you are a top D1 coach.

Anonymous said...

@3:33

If the ECNL allowed for a system of promotion and relegation with the NPLs, I'd agree with you. But since it's club based and not team based, you can't automatically assume that just because a team is ECNL means that they're better than a REALLY strong NPL team. You must be aware of this seeing some of the lopsided games even within pre ECNL this year. So yes, it is possible that a non ECNL team should be ranked higher. If it's such a different level, how in the WORLD did Calvert win the EDP Cup over PDA Pre ECNL?

We all understand that ECNL is where our clubs should aspire to be, but it's not a validation that your own team is better than mine.

Anonymous said...

7:03

how lucky are this kids!

Anonymous said...

7:03

a strong team is a strong team. Inside or outside the ECNL

Anonymous said...

So 7:42, then you agree with me. The point made in the post I referenced was this:

"You just do not get it.... ECNL is at a different level. The fact that any other teams are "ranked" higher is a joke. But I know the points make certain teams feel better so it is what it is.... Enjoy the chase..."

This is just a stupid comment. I'd argue that every team currently ranked in the top 20 in NJ, ECNL or otherwise, could have a decent shot of beating Continental FC pre ECNL.

Anonymous said...

This argument over ECNL happens every year and at every age group. "Elite" goes to your head. Just because "Elite" is in your league name, doesn't make you an "Elite" club. There are very good clubs, and very bad clubs. Get off the high horse already.

Anonymous said...

Problemn for nj ne nol teams is that the ecnl clubs outside nj(NYE, Mass and Conn in this area of teh country) are nowhere near as deep in talent as the nj based 2 ecnl clubs in this age group.
so the 3 nj ne npl teams have very little comp other than playing each other in league play.
then you add in the fact that their clubs do not want them as their A flight team in tournaments and you have club and team working at cross purposes. Your clubs focus will always be on their A team and that will always hold your B tam back to some extent.

Anonymous said...

5:19 Wildcats handled Storm 2-0 in spring.
Ready to match up again anytime.

Anonymous said...

LOL 8:29.

I am not a PDA parent but I have a feeling you'll be using that one-3 years from now.

Anonymous said...

Calvert just beat them as well.
Far from on their own level.
They are a legend in some of their parents minds.
Very good team but very beatable by other strong teams(NJX, wildcats, Calvert) as recent history has shown.

Anonymous said...

Let them have their moment.... all ends for Wildcats this year. There will be an entire ECNL league above them next year. How is that a good thing for players and team that you think are same level or better than???? Is that the club you want to be with long term? Have fun this season grabbing points. There will be 15-20 teams better than you next year in a league that you have No access to..... Good luck with that long term plan.

Anonymous said...

Beating up on STA multiple times & lower level EDP teams will get boring. That is why more players on the Wildcats are & have been looking out then outsiders are looking in. I know this to be fact.

Anonymous said...

So 9:08's argument is that because the ecnl is exclusive, that makes his team better. Again, pda was not admitted to the ecnl based on your team's merits. It was the club. And we all know that not all teams within a club are created equal.

Yes, I wish my daughters club was ecnl. But somebody just named Calvert, Wildcats, NJX, and let's not forget Satchem. All non ecnl. All best you within the last six months. If I were you, I'd be doing cartwheels down the street thanking God that the ecnl is so exclusive so you can move on and not have to face the continuous embarrassment of losing to these lesser teams any more.

Anonymous said...

yes, and there are way too many outstanding players and college prospects in nj at this age group for all of them to play on storm anyway.
Only 11 can be on the field at a time for 1 team. There is plenty of great competition in the elite tournaments for highly ranked teams.
Everyone who can play at the next level will be seen by the college coaches whether in league, tournaments or regionals and nationals. try and prove your the best team on the field by developing and coaching your own players instead of counting on picking up the players others developed and dropping the ones who have been playing for your club.

Anonymous said...

10:49

If a great player came to your team, you would say NO?

Of course you wouldn't

So stop the Bullshit.

and nO there is not a lot of great college prospects in the State of NJ.

This is a very weak age group in talent.

Most Players in this age group could not make this PDA team... Not because this PDA team is so good . Its because the age group is lacking in Talent.

Hows that for a slap In the face.

I pretty much know the talent in this age group and besides the girls on Matchfit /PDA a couple on NJX and a couple of girls on a few other teams, not very much to go around.

The truth is most of these girls couldn't make the ECNL team at this point.


The PDA's and match fits of the world will get stronger and most of the players that will tryout will not make these teams but in the end, so what. My daughter is a scholar and there are plenty of other scholars who will be doctors, businesswomen, engineers etc. This goes well beyond soccer.

Stop the bullshit in trying to make your teams as good as the PDA team and club. It's not.

It wasn't in the age groups above you- it not in the age group below you- but in the end who really gives a shit .

I just can't stand bullshit- freaken dullisional parents with the perspective the size of a pea.


Give PDA their due.

Your daughter is due for greater things.

Anonymous said...

Bad day??^^^^^

I can't help but laugh when people get so angry on this blog.

You are NEVER going to get validation for your beliefs on this blog, so quit looking for it.

It's all entertainment my friend, no need to blow a blood vessel over it.

Chill out, enjoy Halloween with your daughter, and for god sake's: Lighten up!!

Anonymous said...

This is a question more for PA guy - but all are welcome.

Le's say you believe ECNL is the League for your girl to be in.

PennFusionis by far the best team. So is it better to tryout for PennFusion and have to fight for minutes or is better to flock to FC Bucks of CFC Delco, chance at making ECNL team is better in addition to actually landing a starting spot?

While your kid might not win many games they will play against some of the best teams in the Region.
What's the word with FC Bucks and CFC Delco training? Do they make it easy to take Ls in a league that is all about winning?

Anonymous said...

The discussion was about individual teams strength, not overall clubs strength top to bottom.
Each team is a separate entity, with an individual trainer/coach and it's own group of players with their own talent level and team chemistry.
The different teams in each club will be stronger or weaker than others relative to the other strong teams in their state. Looking at their record vs nj teams over the recent months, Storm has not managed to separate themselves from the other strong teams in nj in this age group, period.
No amount of anger and shouting from you can change that.What happened in other age groups does not change that.
Storm allows too many goals and loses too many games in state to be considered the dominant team at this point. They are certainly right there in the conversation, but not clearly the best.
Now what the future holds for nj teams and college prospects in this age group is yet to be seen. It does seem that nj has enough good players to field more teams that are competitive vs the top teams in the region than the other states at least at this point in this age group with at least 5 or 6.
The future will answer that question over the next 3 years, and you have no more crystal ball to answer that definitively than the rest of us.
That is what makes this fun, it is not all set in stone.

Anonymous said...

Yes PDA try not to be so arrogant.
After all you did not invent soccer in NJ.

Anonymous said...

"Storm allows too many goals and loses too many games in state to be considered the dominant team at this point. They are certainly right there in the conversation, but not clearly the best."


Interesting, I wanted to check myself.

It seems that storm Goal differential -Goals for vs Goals against is over 3. Which is the highest of any top 10 team in NJ by a wide margin.

So i am not sure if the above statement is true.

In 2014. so far, it appears that they have had 1 loss and 1 tie. The rest are wins.


So far they have won the spring 2014 edp league with highest goal differential and they are currently ahead in Game percentage in The Pre ECNL league.

Not too Shabby for a team that is just in the conversation.

And the scary thing is that this team will be better in the Spring.





Anonymous said...

Actually, the scary thing is your constant need to defend the team, and the club, give it a rest Frankenstein.

Anonymous said...

Do they give you a book of excuses at PDA for when you lose.. It's our bench players, we have injuries, the coach was trying a new formation..

Anonymous said...

^^^Are you sure you are not confusing that as the Wildcat book?...don't forget "consolation game" and "goal differential shouldn't determine who moves on in tournaments" :)

Anonymous said...

Can someone please post the link to the pre-ECNL schedules and results?

Anonymous said...

nope.. Wildcats don't have those excuses.

Anonymous said...

Howabout "ties are wins"?

Anonymous said...

Pre ECNL
http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2014-15/71265040.20149.html

Anonymous said...

Hmmm. Lot so interesting things to think about in that question, 9:03.

"Let's say you believe ECNL is the League for your girl to be in.

Penn Fusion is by far the best team. So is it better to tryout for Penn Fusion and have to fight for minutes or is better to flock to FC Bucks of CFC Delco, chance at making ECNL team is better in addition to actually landing a starting spot?"

Tough call. Hypothetically, if my kid played for PF, and was hypothetically currently getting starter's minutes (at least 50 per game, sometimes 65 per game), I'd be pretty comfortable that she will be able to make the PF ECNL roster for at least the next couple years.

But you never know, hypothetically, when a whole gaggle of Penn Legacy parents may decide it is time to move a bunch of those girls to PF for the ECNL experience. And when that happens my daughter may lose some minutes. Indeed, she may become the very type of player you refer to: good enough to make the team, but not getting much playing time. Um, hypothetically, of course.

While I have given this scenario some thought, I honestly don't know what I'd do. If she was still having fun despite the reduced minutes, I'd let her stay. I would not push for her to play for CFC. I like the current CFC coaches. But I'm not such a big fan of some of the parental sideline behavior. I'd be much more likely to push for my daughter to move down to the PF NPL team. Or even change over to the local town team, where all her classmates play. Or even have her dial it back to playing only high school ball. I tell her every couple months that we'll keep this up as long as its fun, but as soon as it starts to become a drag, we can pursue other options.

That being said, I really like the way her game has progressed in the past year. The ECNL level of competition at practices and games has been very good for her (ummm, hypothetically, of course). But does she really need to keep improving her soccer skills? To what end? Yeah, she currently thinks she wants to play soccer in college, but that can be all consuming. I'd almost rather her join a college intramural league/team than play for the school team. Give her some time to have some college fun for crying out loud.

This is a long way of saying, "we'll cross that bridge when we come it."

"While your kid might not win many games they will play against some of the best teams in the Region.
What's the word with FC Bucks and CFC Delco training? Do they make it easy to take Ls in a league that is all about winning?"

CFC's coaches are good. The talent just isn't there. CFC lost three players last spring to PF. So at least those parents believe it is better to get less minutes at PF than to get more minutes at CFC.

I have no inside info on FC Bucks except that they score most of their goals because their striker can fly. Once teams adjust to her, I'm not sure they are much better than CFC. I'm sure they are anxiously awaiting to see if any YMS girls will eventually defect to ECNL.

That's what will ultimately force our hand. When, if ever, will the best from Legacy, 1776, and Ukrainians defect to PF? Will any Rage and FC Rev families decide to carpool down to PF from Reading? Other PF teams have kids from MD, DE, and south NJ. Will any of them come over for this age group? If and when they do, the odds become greater that my kid's minutes will dwindle. And I just don't know what we'll do at that point, because while I don't want to travel to Boston to watch her sit the bench, I also don't want to give her impression I am no longer interested in her team just because she is sitting the bench.

--PA Guy

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