Hearing they may bail as well or just push responsibility on Sky Blue. DA mandates are going to be tough on clubs without very deep pockets. Also, demand is lukewarm at best.
I have heard CSA is fully funding the DA. Because of that I would expect them to draw players. PDA will be loaded.
GDA looks like a awful lot of travel for games in many of the regions down in the regions of Frontier, Northwest, Mid-America sections of that map. Flights, Hotels, Car Rental, etc. alone will be more than club tuition, once again how can the unfortunate families afford does free GDA include tuition and travel expenses.
Free travel expense, ba-ha-ha-ha, never in this country. There are too many little greedy hands in that pot of gold. Anthony Travel has a market-cap of 500 Billion.
Other than the Northeast and Southwest conferences, the travel is going to suck a whole lot. Southwest also seems to drain from a small talent pool (south california = 22.8m in 2010).So, it just seems like another 1/2 ass idea, and more likely a money grab from ECNL. If it's about "providing more training" and "avoiding HS wannabesoccer" this current execution of DA does not sound like it will produce a same result as they intended it to be.
Even the boys DA is only really top quality for the teams associated with mls.
937 Agree another money grab idea for many clubs but you know what many families fall for it. I wonder how long this will last until the next and great idea comes along.
To get back to the true essence of why we are all here, any good games being played this weekend? I know the "real season" does not start for another few weeks but any tune-up games to watch In NJ, or PAE?
Both NJ Rush teams (South & Central) are playing against each other on Sunday. I assume not full squads but its something to watch maybe. Eagles are playing the Redskins as well at 1PM, this might be your best bet!
10:02, even when the real season starts, there isn’t much to watch in NJ and PAE, sorry.
1022 It's not the Top NJ Rush(South team v Central). NJ Rush Blue is the top team for the South it's the second team NJ Rush White.
Sorry didn't know their was multiple teams. How many U15 teams do they have?
Any feedback on Rush South coaches? Rumor is situation is very substandard to previous coach who helped lead them to so many titles.
You can see some top '02s play this week in playoff actionWest Milford faces Wayne ValleyRamapo goes up against RamseyIHA faces River Delletc
So, Pipeline, an EDP D1 team, defeats FC VA, a MA ECNL team, 3-0, but EDP D1 is considered third tier to ECNL and NPL? If that is so, I suppose ECNL should consider giving FC VA the boot because it certainly doesn't appear to be top tier, or even so-called third tier quality. Also consider no FC VA excuses for HS ball because VA plays HS in the spring. Not a Pipeline fan, but also not a fan of soccer elitism. League membership does not guaranty results.
FC VA ECNL from what I had been told by a parent had enough kids to field basically two ECNL rosters. I took a peek and didn't see kids I knew from their top ECNL team on the WAGS roster. And, not sure you understand how showcases work; it's not for the win it's to SHOWCASE kids including kids that don't get much playing time as they may not get much time in league play (which is for the win). I am not taking away anyone performance, congrats. And, hopefully your team continues its success. But in the ECNL world, showcases are not about the win. It matters for nothing in the ECNL league.
WAGS at u15 was not showcase format. It was championship.
ECNL = Excuses Can Negate Losses
That was absolutely FCV's U15 ECNL team at WAGS tournament. They played their top players in the club at the age and the same team that competes in ECNL games. They were not as good as Pipeline.
How many club teams play college soccer? The answer is none. Players play college soccer. Colleges don't care if your team wins or loses. They are looking at individuals. The only people who care about whose team is better than another team are the losers commenting about that on this site.
How many college teams play pro soccer? The answer is none. Players play pro soccer. Pro teams don't care if your college team wins or loses. They are looking at individuals. The only people who care about whose college team is better than another team are the losers commenting about wins and losses on this site.Or, perhaps the problem is the selfish losers who think it is only about the individual. Their kids are easy to spot on the pitch, in the classroom, and on the job.
5:38 - sorry, I thought i was on the older girls' group re WAGS - play to play - typical showcase tourney. As you were...
6:34 - exactly. Happened upon here accidently; kids actually in order age groups and committed. But, your assessment of what college coaches are looking for is correct and wins/losses are not any part of it. That is just hardware to make you feel better about the costs. Have fun.
Its a catch 22. If your team does not play well - they wont get invited to decent showcase tourneys. If you dont have talent on your team, the coaches will not come to observe.sometimes you have to play the lame tourneys in south jersey to get them points
Or you play in a league like ecnl where you know you will be seen. 02 and above should all be ecnl if they have the talent, means, and proximity to do so. That is your best bet for college recruiting. Unless your kid is NT that is where the heavy recruiting will happen. Look at the schools at Newss. Those showcases are about getting your money.
Or you play for a top bracket showcase team? Wildcats, Stallions, PDA, MF, Barons? And GFA, Albertson, CT teams, VA teams. Just look at your top brackets at each showcase, that is the team you have to be on these days, lets say U15 and up. Till then play for a town team or something, just be sure to get great training, and much game time.
Do Showcase events still give out Gotsoccer points? I figure they do not since there is no championship game correct. A little curious about that as GS helps determine the rankings for many tournaments.
yes, champions in each bracket get points.
GFA??? Hahahaha, they have 1 good team u16/17, their U14 team from last year was average, and Albertson??the 02 ECNL team, really??
MF really HA HA. 2002 will struggle, like all the younger teams currently
Albertson '02 ECNL will be a top clubDont say I didnt tell you
Albertson 02 Team is garbage. They were the weak sister in ECNL last year as well.Just look at their roster. Not much has changed. Didn't pick up any impact player.
4:39.... pretty transparent who you are.
4:39. Its time you see the forest from the trees coach. You are only gonna hurt your kids opportunities if you are worried only about wins at this age and not worrying about showcasing the kids for colleges.
8:46Calling girls "garbage" is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?And for you to not see how a team (any team) can improve its lot even without adding "impact" talent - with the change to birth year - may be short sighted on your partWe will have to see how the team looks after a few monthsBe well now
Not talking about wins. Talking about the poor quality of soccer and talent on Albertson U14 team last year. Where would they have added the type of players to raise the team to "Albertson 02 ECNL will be a top club" as 1:52 said above. Simply stating opinion after seeing them last year that they were weak sister of their ECNL League and lost to many of the good non-ECNL Teams. And by end of U14 year they were not even a Flight 1 Team in major tournaments they entered. How exactly will you showcase them?
U14 stallions just posted a 2:1 victory over last years NPL finalist - NYSC. You can never write off stallions just like that. Their 2001 and 2000 teams should be solid too.
Last years NYSC u13 team was skilled, but lacked toughness and field leadership. The 02’s from that team and the best 02’s from the 01 team will combine to create the greatest U15 amateur girls soccer team on Earth, yep Earth.
3:35 theres a blog where you can brag about the 60th ranked team in nj. Its called the u14 blog. No one cares about how awesome any weak 03 team is. Because this is the 02 awesomest u15 blog. Beat it.
http://goalnation.com/youth-soccer-too-much-emphasis-is-placed-on-winning/Good article. Discusses the importance of development not winning.
LOL 12:26Where would Albertson U14s have added players from (to form new '02 team)?Uhhh......... maybe from the U13s?You do know how it works, right?
In so-called third tier EDP D1 action, Arsenal remains undefeated and in control of the North after five matches with 15 pts and a +26 GD. They have already defeated their closest competitor, SDFC, which holds second place with 12 pts and a +16 GD. SJEB Rush White is surging in the Central division as they make up games after a late start. They defeated division leader NJ Rush Grey 2-0 this past weekend and have accumulated a +14 GD after just three matches. Rush Grey has a +3 GD after five matches, one of which was a win over current second place holder Cherry Hill, which has a +7 GD after five matches. Cherry Hill plays SJEB Rush White on 10/30. Look for SJEB Rush White to run away with the division. Division leaders North United, Pipeline, and HMMS continue to dominate the South. North United as 16 pts and a +24 GD after six matches, with a 5-0 win over Arundel this weekend. WAGS champion Pipeline has 13 pts and a +24 GD after five matches, with an 11-1 win over WAGS semi-finalist PHWM this weekend. HMMS, which failed to advance at WAGS, has 12 pts and a +18 GD after four matches, with a 5-0 win over SAC this weekend. North United and Pipeline previously played to a 1-1 draw, so this division will likely come down to the North United v. HMMS match in Pittsburgh on 10/30 and the Pipeline v. HMMS match in Baltimore on 11/20.
Dude, either you work for EDP, or you have way too much time on your hands, have you tried some leaf-raking?
You just proved edp is a complete and utter waste of time. What a joke. They really could have had a great super division. What a waste of time even talking about it.
Take a look at U15 ECNL standings around the country where action is underway. There are a lot of lopsided scores and unbalanced conferences there too. By the posted results, some of the clubs should not be considered elite. This is not to mention what is going on locally at the U14 level with MF and FCB.
There will always be lopsided games, there are to many leagues and too much disparity amongst teams in each league, division, bracket etc. But you have to give some those lower teams a chance to prove themselves and if not they will faze out. How many lop sided games have seen the WMT play prior to going to Olympics!
No edp put up garbage leagues instead of doing the right thing. My kid is wasting her time beating teams 10-0 while risking injury And I am furious. . Its a total sham. . There is no ethical reason not to put the excellent teams all in one group. Then they can have the next level in a second group. Winners and losers promoted demoted in the spring. They just want to collect more money while watering down the league. Total garbage.
Isn't all the leagues and youth soccer itself all about $$$'s. It's a business people got over it and enjoy watching your kid play because they don't have many more years left.
Isnt EDP regional?
No EDP is mostly 5 states NJ, PA, DE, upper parts of MD and some parts of NY. So 5:34 it really isn't region as many consider Region from CT to down to VA. With those 5 states there are multiple leagues (ECNL, NYSCL NPL, Northeast NPL, EDP NPL, EDP league itself) Talk about watered down!
And USYS and US Club to add to your list of leagues. And, yes, too many. They should combine several to make it more competitive. But will they?
No, I mean regional as in best teams wouldnt play each other - being so far apart.
Yes, EDP divisions are aligned based on geography. I presume this is to minimize travel. Almost all of Maryland that has higher level teams is now represented in EDP (e.g. Calvert and St. Mary's are pretty far south and east) and Northern Virginia is increasing participation. I see that there is even a Virginia Beach team listed, although it has not played any games yet. So the league now extends from the Jersey Shore west to the Ohio River, and from the NYC area south to tidewater Virginia. Geographic organization of teams is the only sane way to structure the league, but there should be a championship series between the division leaders. EDP does do promotion and relegation, so theoretically, there should be some self-balancing.
942 Correct! Yes EDP's model structure of the league is to minimize travel. There are few championship series as well to go along with league play such as EDP Open Cup that last's both fall and spring season's as well as many of the tournaments they run. If many of the top teams join there tournaments I'm sure they will bracket them appropriately based on league play. That's why it is so Gotsoccer driven to help narrow down brackets and tournaments level of play.
10/17 3:34PM If you're looking for a "League" for your daughter with the very best teams then look for her to tryout for one of the national league teams. Their are only 16 U15 girls teams in the league. Look at usyouthsoccer.org for information.
Looked at the national league. Seems like no teams from nyc area. Again seems like another collection of non ecnl top teams. Im sure no team there loses games by 10 goals. So yes much better than edp.
Well, of the four Region I representatives to the NL at U15G, two currently play EDP D1 (HMMS and North United), one played EDP D1 last spring at U13 and currently has sister teams in EDP D1 at U15 (SJEB Rush Blue), and one has club participation in EDP (YMS). NL is performance based. A team must qualify each year either through NL, Region League or Region Championship. EDP offers a league option above PAGS, JAGS, or even NCSL (WAGS) for good teams whose clubs are not part of the ECNL or a regular NPL league.
Thanks for the info. Rush blue is the only one close and if I wanted to drive that far id go to mf or pda.
The issue with prior performance base method is a team that participates in Region League can be one or two players away from not performing anymore. So a team doesn't perform one year and doesn't get invited back are players going to jump ship to the team in the region that did? Doesn't make much sense and reason why it's a failing aspect of a league. If not ECNL or GDA near by look for a top NPL team at least in my opinion.
Plenty of good teams for you in the area, 1:44I am sure you have your snobby reasons for disliking/discarding most of them.
NL requires roster continuity for qualifying teams. Current rule is 9 players from the prior year qualifying team must be rostered on the current year participating team. Given other factors such as geography, team loyalty, and strength of roster to begin with, it is very unlikely that there would be many open positions for team jumpers.
But no guarantee you make it next uear. So you could go there and soph/9th not be nl. Why wouldn't yiu just go ecnl? Id think there are spots on all the 02 ecnl teams still for solid players.
8:57 Correct especially if some girls will be leaving for DA squads. 8:49 Exactly the requirement is only 9 players imagine with the top 2 players move to a ECNL or DA club, do you think it's worth those qualifying teams to do the following year. Take HMMS for example those players will have options to go DA at PA Classics.
Why not go ECNL? Logistics for one reason. Looking at the four example teams listed above: Closest ECNL program to North United is a 2hr one-way trip away. For HMMS, its 1.5 hours to PF or CFC, and 2 or so to FCB or FCV. HMMS does have a history of bleeding off a few to PF, but much less so to CFC. For Rush Blue, depending on where you place its locus, its 1 or 1.5 to PF or PDA. It also has some history of bleed off from its lineage teams. No excuse for YMS as it is right in the middle of the ECNL breadbasket, but that means increased competition for roster spots for those girls. I do not think DA will make that much of a difference because I am not convinced that it will draw the numbers that people think it will, and it will have a limited number of spots to begin with. I know a lot of high level players who also enjoy other sports like basketball and track, and probably will not be willing to give those up in high school (didn't college coaches used to say they preferred multi-sport athletes?) If DA doesn't draw all of the top talent, will the ones who go DA still be considered cream of the crop?
1159 I am also thinking the same aspect for GDA especially since it's a bi-annual for them to setup teams not just s single year. So the eldest odd year will get most of the roster spots for girls DA.
You mean as much as the ECNL non premier talent is considered better than a top NPL girl?
My feeling id DA given so few spots will be rather hand picked. Mostly from ecnl where Pda wc pf coaches will see opposing players.
Sounds like national league is great at filling in the regions where ecnl cant reach. Glad to see that there is that opportunity for those kids. Isnt rush blue close to manalapan? Are those kids gonna mostly try to go DA?
Rush blue is in south jersey - an hour plus to the nearest DA.
Sorry confused. Where is rush blue's home field? Rush grey?I just looked at the websites of ajeb and rush and its totally confusing.
I see there are many amateurs on here if you did your research you can go to the EDP schedule and look what home field's the clubs are using. Duh!
Sjeb white home game field unassigned. Duh. Who is sjeb white? This club or clubs is so confusing. Sorry i just started looking at this stuff. The amater
I love how many on here are talking girls DA, personally I think it will fail in less than several years there is not enough $'s to support all the fees associated with a DA teams. Those Girls DA clubs will hit up many of the younger age groups to supplement the cost and parents will soon to not fork over those fees and stay with a regular competitive club. MLS clubs support boy's side of DA very much even the non-MLS DA clubs have plenty of funding to maintain status to create free player play. For those girls DA clubs that did link up with a NWSL teams they are in a rude awakening. NWSL attendance doesn't even bring enough revenue to pay player salaries let along pay for other fee's. Just look at overall attendance this past year - Skyblue/PDA will fold in a few years with those attendance numbers. http://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2016-nwsl-attendance/
Agree, DA has a tough road. This is a business offering a product with very little demand at the full price. Only way to create demand is to improve the product and lower the price.
5:11 wow those attendance numbers are embarrassing. I'm sorry but you may be on to something why did PDA link up with Sky-blue, I'm thinking they are also hesitant of the girls DA model and want to keep ECNL as driving force since they are the one of the founding members of it. Just like any business have or keep your plan B.
All of the above is sad, but very true. The economy is partly to blame. although many of us on this board may have decent jobs, can afford soccer etc. Remember the average salary in US is $40,000. Many cannot afford the professional soccer match pricing, parking food, travel, gas, toll expense. Especially women's, many would prefer men's, Red Bulls, Union etc. Almost same price btw to see sky blue or Union. Your girl right now, assuming 01/02, is playing to get athletic scholarship at this point, or at least be able to enjoy playing in college, with hopes of some partial. Beyond that be sure she has great education. And, if the economy changes, sure women's soccer could thrive, but that is really crux of it, unfortunately. You can go to DI matches for Free at most colleges as well to watch great soccer.
Very interesting convo. I'm shock as well at those attendance numbers how does NWSL or some of those teams even stay in business.
Supplemented by US SoccerThe most successful US women's soccer league in quite some timeBuy in or don't, I like the league, frankly.
Da will struggle. But in nj shouldnt be too much of a stretch with 12 girls by the shore and 12 at pda. Both clubs are well capitalized. Im sure mfa would have a tougher time because so many smaller clubs divide up the north jersey talent. But it remains to be seen how many quality teams the DA can field. And if njcsa can pull it together for DA. Feels like nj has a very strong town/hs affiliation and it will be tough for all the top girls to give it up. Da will prob work better in Cali.
215 Don't forget PDA South not just Shore and PDA North will feed the DA team. I'me sure girls from PDA South will jump at the opportunity to play for free if they make the DA squad.
You think njcsa owner pays full boat for the kids?
PDA won't be free
I assume the Bethesda Premier Cup is the first tourney of the season that U15 teams will be at full strength. Should be interesting to see what brackets the teams are placed in. Its going to be difficult with the age changes to establish an accurate placement. Better off picking teams out of a hat and placing them. We shall see, should be an interesting weekend to say the least.
Fully agree 10:44AM, its going to be a disaster. Thinking teams will request to be lower bracketed on purpose. Last years more elite teams could be high bracketed and get blown out since they are carrying over last years GS points and it does not represent the 2016/2017 team. Of all the U15 teams attending who's the team to beat? Lots of familiar teams but who knows what happened in the off season.
CASL12 ECNL teams in 2 brackets40 Elite teams in 5 brackets32 Premier teams in 4 brackets
Interesting that CASL and the National League Fall Showcase fall on the same weekend within an hour of each other in North Carolina. Going to be a busy weekend for the college coaches. Great opportunity to see some of the best players in the nation at both tournaments.
Too bad that the ECNL teams are segregated from the other elites at CASL. There'd be some interesting match-ups if they weren't.
The National League Showcase is Thursday-Sunday so many of the coaches will be at Nationals Thursday and Friday and CASL Saturday and Sunday. They actually spend more time at CASL since the National League Showcase is done three times, NC in early December, FL in late December and Vegas in the Spring. But all the teams nationwide in the National League will be in NC in December. 126 teams total.
brackets are up for casl?
Brackets were scheduled to be posted October 20th, U15 was visible earlier today on the tournament website, but no longer.
10:53 - Pipeline is the team to beat at Bethesda. They have been playing at so-called "full strength" and beating teams also playing at "full-strength". Pipeline dominated FCV (playing at "full-strength") 3-0 at WAGS, and TopDrawer, as biased towards ECNL as it is, ranks FCV as the 8th top club team in the nation. Where would that put Pipeline if TopDrawer looked beyond ECNL? However, PAC has shown that it can run with the pack, so don't count them out.
I like South Shore in the EliteMassapequa a dark horseSurf and SUSA can go 0-12 for all I care
Any have the link for CASL brackets?
South shore and Mass in two diff brackets. One in Elite Red and other in White. Ouch, Why so bitter against Surf Susa?
It's pretty obvious, he is simply a nasty woman.P.S. Susa and Surf do suck, btw.
NY Surf and NY Susa have terrible teams and are way overpriced. Middle of the pack, if that, if they were here in NJ.
Pipeline a nice team playing great. But dont be fooled into thinking that fcv team is the one from the rankings. With byc the dust wont settle til spring. Pda the 02 team to beat.
Please, Massapequa NO better than Susa or Surf, they all have some good players, but at this point, its ALL about building new chemistry, and working hard as a group. Glad HS soccer is over for us, now the real season starts.
WARNING – This post contains graphic EDP talk. If you can’t stomach EDP League, read no more.In the North, Arsenal remains undefeated and in command after blasting TSF, 6-1. The Central Division got a little more interesting with a Harleysville upset of Rush Grey, 2-1. Cherry Hill now leads after beating Warrington, 3-0; but SJEB Rush White continues to rise after knocking off Twin County, 5-2. No real changes in the South. Pipeline over Arundel, 3-0; HMMS over Central PA rival SuperNova, 4-0; and North United, idle. Interestingly, PHWM falls to Baltimore, 6-0; and to Calvert, 6-0. Since beating Dallas Sting and Top Hat at WAGS, each 1-0, PHWM has lost five straight games by a combined score of 29-1. What’s up with that? Also of note, as of 10/18, SJEB Rush was advertising roster openings at the '02 level. Is this program not drawing interest, or are they packing their rosters?
SJEB/Rush is a huge mystery this Fall. I don't think anyone knows whats going on there. Very little has been said on this board about them. I know they have three 02' teams. And according to 10/24 8:25AM their White team is dominating everyone in EDP.
For CASL, PDA Storm and WC ecnl in top flights, ecnl top flights that is. NJ Rush is in top flight, non-ecnl, Red they call it. Then you have Copa and Cats in 2nd flight, non-ecnl, black division. Who knows this year with age changes. FC Copa Lima would never be in a top flight like this, even at a Tuckahoe event. So how they figured to be in 2nd division is beyond me. It will take one year to sort out got soccer.
Can someone post a casl bracket link. I cant see well on what i have found.
WC ECNL will struggle this year, they are too small, trust me, they will struggle.
Must be a disgruntled MF Parent that was left behind. Our girls played MF in a scrimmage. I can say I was not impressed with MF, especially for an ECNL club. First time our players played together and this game was a very tight game.
Thats an absurd comment for any team in birth year change before the season has started. What team are you from? The teams that are playing well right now are the u13 teams that stuck together. We should all reserve judgement until mid spring. Thats when you cam see who is performing well.
That's right, reserve judgment until mid-spring after tryouts are over, DA girls have moved on, weaknesses identified, and replacements selected and invited to start working with the team.
No need to wait till Spring, it will be extremely obvious in the next five weeks.
Bethesda, EDP Fall Showcase, CASL..... Thats over 9 games right there alone. I think interested parties will have a solid idea on where teams stand and just how strong they are. Any team can have a bad weekend, but three bad weekends is self explanatory.
Theres only one DA worth going to thats pda. The other two will be crap for this age group. World class cant develop kids and cedar stars total unknown. Good luck.
Stallions has better college placement than world class.
CASL brackets http://soccer.sincsports.com/TTTeamList.aspx?tid=CASL3&tab=2&sub=0&SYear=2016
Why did CASL create a ECNL bracket specifically for ECNL teams? Let me guess so CASL can dictate and help where to send college coaches. Poor decision!I know of many teams that would most likely run with some of those top ECNL teams in those brackets.
Welcome to showcasing! At least at U15 they still play as a team wait till U16-17 every girl for herself!!
12:12 - Can't risk tarnishing the brand. A few bumps here and there could risk collapsing the whole deck of cards.
stallions has the one age group which came from CRUSH. Please do not give credit to the stallions for this.I understand many clubs take credit for a girl that plays for them for one season who is already committed to a college program prior to arrival. Then these so called top clubs promote those players as their own.
Checked out the link for brackets. What caught my eye right away, MF 2001 and 2000 teams are at the bottom of the brackets.Teams for 2001 from our area in higher bracketsSJEB Rush, Manhattan, Massapequa, STA, FC Copa, Princeton, LVU and NY Surf. why go pay and play for MF NPL? I see PDA Madrid in same bracket. If I was at PDA I would not be happy about this as well.
Sdfc? Cmon. Thats the chop shop of coaches. Shaun kept that group together and played the role he needed in college recruiting better than any club not named pda or match fit. Kudos to cryer. But the repeat is unknown. If he cant replicate his success with freedom then he will be just another one hit wonder. Jury is still out.
Regarding the silly post below. Let me help clear up few things:1. There are no disgruntled parents at MF. 2. There were no families left behind. The families that chose to stay at MF are very happy with their decision and wish the coach and the parents that did leave the best of luck. Some fantastic players and families left MF for WC - along with a bunch of NPL players. Are the players replaceable? that is TBD. There are some big shoes to fill.3. Regarding the scrimmage with TSF, BOTH teams were playing together for the very first time and I believe both were missing some key players. First 10 minutes MF looked very dis-jointed as they were trying to figure things out. Still a work in progress (which aren't most teams due to byc?) and isn't that why scrimmages are set up. However after the first 10 minutes it was a different story - which i'm sure will be debated. I don't know much about TSF, but they seemed to have the beginnings of a well organized team but just don't have enough talent to pull it off. Oh, and their coach was a loud mouth, condescending idiot. 4. No one really cares if you're impressed with MF (or maybe I do since i took the time to write this post...). Good luck to you and you daughter at TSF over these next 2-3 important college recruitment years. Based on my research, and regardless of whether you are impressed or not, MF's track record is far superior than TSF's in this area. Actually, they are superior in college placement to every club in the area except PDA, which many would argue that they are at the same level with.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Orgininal post...Must be a disgruntled MF Parent that was left behind. Our girls played MF in a scrimmage. I can say I was not impressed with MF, especially for an ECNL club. First time our players played together and this game was a very tight game.October 24, 2016 at 8:55 PM
TSF, their parents and coach are a bunch of tools!
I spoke to a bunch of parents whose kids were on his teams. If you're a good player - you get all of the attention you can to succeed. If you're not, you're given a chance to improve or are "managed out". Parents describe him as an excellent trainer, a demon once a game starts, and then a fantastic person once the rush is gone. He helps out the good players to arrange extra showcases, and occasionally his teams scrimmage against colleges where the girls would want to be seen.If you're in the not-great category - you will absolutely hate the experience, and in most cases your kid will quit playing. His demon side will solely focus on your child.PS. check out his bio on the website to see where he came from.
That is crazy with ECNL only brackets, what if a team in Elite red or black is better than an ECNL team. I can tell you my daughters mid-level team, beat a couple of ECNL teams in last couple of years at tournaments of course. And FC Copa Lima in 2nd bracket at CASL? NJ Rush earned their spot if you ask me. I am NJ parent, so that is where my interest is. The lower rankings on 2001 is crazy, GFA, Roma, Madrid, all buried in lower brackets, I would be embarrassed. sorry.
His demon side will solely focus on your child?Haha, Bride of Chucky??
Sorry to change the topic but I was wondering if any parents have used a good video editing software for putting together and highlighting clips? Ideally for apple. Secondly it seems like there are aton of college recruiting websites. Anyone really like any of them? They mostly seem like a waste of money.
935 Embarrassed about what. CASL is not tournament style play it showcase style play. Focus on the word "Showcase" because that's this age group and older are doing now worrying about recruitment not a trophy or medal. I'm sure CASL bracketed everyone to a point where each game will be competitive I doubt we will see 6 goal differential blowouts.
9:01. Which coach are you referring to? Can you post a link of the background?Thanks
922 At this age many teams still train through the winter outdoors no need to over due it with futsal.
That was the futsal league advertising.
In the northeast it can be difficult to train outdoors in the winter. One good storm and the fields are closed for a few weeks. We do indoor training on turf. Keeps the players moving in the winter.
1152 well then I guess you guys don't have a good crew to shovel out if it takes for a few weeks.
If you have an indoor turf facility why would you need to shovel? The team plays mostly on turf anyway. Makes sense to me... Then again maybe the players would prefer to run around in mid 20's weather, I know our keepers would love to dive on frozen solid ground!! LOL
Is CaptainU a good site to invest in?
Looking at the recently released boca rosters for odp 2002 i thought it was interesting that 7/18 players came from east ny. And 5/7 are from east meadow. Only one kid from nj. So if odp was a gauge for anything real you would think the east meadow team will be dominant. I think something fishy is going on there. Just seems statistically so improbable. So glad i font waste my money chasing odp. Ps i think pda at least a 2 goal favorite to east meadow.
ODP is a waste of money all those players are hand picked by NY area coaches that see them more often that other prospects from CT to VA. Another program that has become a money grab in most recent years and will most likely be gone in a few years after GDA is established.
Last year EM beat them both times in league play.
NY Odp camp coaches are crooked.
Last year was different teams dude. This year pda smokes them.
Interesting re what some think about ODP and it's longevity after the DA arrives. I would not dismiss it. Got a peek into the coaches they are bringing in for the Boca event to coach, asst. coach and to recruit, I think ODP is positioning itself as non-DA option for kids that aren't on or choose not to try out for the DA. There are many, many elite program college coaches that are still involved in ODP either themselves or through their staff. For example, Santa Clara head coach, Jerry Smith (Chastain's hubby) is still ODP?Region IV director, I believe. DA may have been the best thing to happen to ODP.
Because not everyone lives near a DA.
Agree with posters above re ODP and DA re logistics. And some kids still want to play hs ball, all that stuff. It's a good option.
Can't speak for other states but odp in NJ is a joke. My daughter did one year and never again. Quite the money grab and the tryout proce$$ and training was disappointing to say the least.
I disagree. If you aren't on a team, like ECNL, that gives you exposure ODP looks good on your resume.
WARNING - A hazardous EDP update follows. Stop now if you find EDP toxic.In the North, no change as Arsenal continues to dominate. SJEB Rush White dominating the Central Division. In the South, North United takes down HMMS, 3-0, to create some separation at the top. Its now looking like Pipeline will take this Division from North United on goal differential.
Wasted season. Thank you EDP!!
ODP is a lot like EDP.
Can anyone clarify the rule for Girls DA as it relates to high school soccer when it launches? I thought I had read a few months back that girls through the 2021 high school graduating class would be allowed to play high school and the DA. I can no longer find that in US Soccer FAQs. Does anyone else see that as well?
http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-faqsDon't see any specific discussion re high school. I heard high school (and any other soccer such as ODP, etc.) is out for any that accept a position on the academy roster.
If you look at logistics of DA, ie 4 trainings per week, it is crazy to think your daughter can or should play hs ball at the same time. Stop worrying about the "grandfathering", instead decide "IF" daughter makes academy, whether she'll take a spot or not. If daughter wants college play, she should play DA, simple
DA, 5-6K, no HS, 4 days, no 2nd sport. This group with 2001s. There will be kids and parents who are very happy in the DA. Not for every elite player.
@1:54 - High school soccer is referenced in the application. The PDF version is still online.. Here it is cut and pasted... It looks like it will be up to individual clubs the first few years. High School Soccer ParticipationU.S. Soccer’s technical staff believes that an everyday environment where players train and compete with similar elite level players is the best approach suited for world class development. With inappropriate training to game ratios and inconsistent levels of competition, high school soccer does not provide an ideal development environment for elite level players. With the permission of their Academy club, the program will initially allow players that have begun high school in 2017-18 or prior to the start of the Girls’ Development Academy, to complete the remainder of their high school career if they so choose. If a player chooses to play high school soccer she will not be allowed to play with a Girls’ Development Academy club during that portion of the Academy’s 10-month season. U.S. Soccer expects that clubs manage a player’s desire to participate in high school soccer on a case by case basis based on what’s best for the development of that player. Beginning with the 2021-22 season, participation in high school soccer will not be permitted. Philosophically, what is the club’s stance on high school soccer in relation to individual playerdevelopment?
627 agree if your daughter ends up playing DA they will not want to play HS, trying to balance School Homework, HS Soccer, and 5-6 days of club soccer will not be obtainable for many. Also it makes no sense if your daughter still wants to play HS or other sports and to be honest it hasn't worked out for the boys side so well so time will tell if it's for everyone.
"If daughter wants college play, she should play DA, simple"- TOP level college, I suppose.Some players will choose not to play academy and still end up at pretty good soccer schools (see those juniors, sophs, even freshmen that have already committed - and will have DA as an option, not a requirement)
10:33I was only comparing HS soccer to DA. Not saying there aren't other options.I have an older daughter that is already committed and doesn't "need" DA and will probably choose HS soccer in her senior year. She will probably also play club Elite or whatever next level is....
I disagree DA if to play at higher level college program and potentially play professional. I do agree you can still get into a good school playing in a non-DA team at ECNL or Top level NPL team. As for those Fresh, sophomores, and Juniors that have committed already I do not think they will even go DA because there is no need for every day session already as they will try to keep grades up for the school they are attending.
Quick question, will DA teams have their own private showcases? What makes the DA so special? Seems to me if your daughter is good enough she will be seen at the showcases just like all the other teams. I know their are different levels of showcases, take for instance "National League Showcase" and CASL in North Carolina both are the same weekend next month. One would assume the National Showcase would be a higher caliber draw then CASL but I know the coaches in town that weekend will be attending both showcases. Both will have the same exposure opportunity. Exposure is what the showcases are all about correct?
DA has there own showcases and exposure opportunities. Just look at the boys side for example they do not participate in outside events or get tracked on Gotsoccer everything is obtainable through USDA website.
Spellcheck Nazi has been roaming the blogs, be careful....
DA is only representative of the best players who live near, chose to tryout for, and are selected for the DA. DA is by no means representative of the best players overall. No program is. That said, it might make recruiting easier by creating a target audience, but if it becomes the prime source for college prospects, what does that say about the coaches who have been promoting the value of the multi-sport athlete?
11:29pm here, thank you to 8:14am for that response. I knew that I had read about grandfathering for high school players through 2021 but wasn't sure where I had seen it. Surprising that it is spelled out in the club application but not the program FAQs. But again thanks for the help. No thank you to 6:27am for your snarky response.
The DA will be a debate from now on. Anyone watch the EDP Cherry Hill/NJ Rush White game yesterday? Who is this white team that is beating everyone? Got Soccer has nothing. Just wondering since this team seems to have come out of nowhere.
Bethesda Schedule is posted! At least they didn't follow CASL and group ECNL teams.
Why do you think you can choose DA. DA kids will be chosen. If you arent ecnl region 1 id2 you are very low probability to be DA. Better start to focus on where the biggest openings will be at the ecnl level.
What are you saying 7:16? Are you saying that DAs will not have open tryouts, that kids will not be able to chose to tryout for DA, that DA programs will only select from existing ECNL, Region I, id2 rosters? It is a very elitist attitude to think that there are no DA caliber kids outside of ECNL, Region I, id2. I know a number of players who for one reason or another are not currently in those programs, but could compete well for a DA spot.
11:17. Not trying to be elitist trying to keep people to realistic expectations and not get there kids hopes up for disappointment. So for 2002 there are 24 spots. Pda 12 cs 12. Lets say cs takes shore and south just as example. So lets focus on pda 02. There are 3+ kids who have been on nt. Pda 2020 on tds has 6 3 star 4 2 star tds. 2021 probably has 3-4 kids worthy at Pda maybe more. If someone is going to bump them do you think its a random kid from a tryout or one that the current coach sees playing vs PF WC MF ecnl teams or a kid rec'd from region one or has been nominated for id2? Pda will have all the top players. Dont you think the kids that moved there this year are there for the DA? Have you been to an open ecnl tryout? Ask around not many kids come from "open" tryouts. Not saying dont try but manage expectations as low probability. I know of a few that can do it outside ecnl but all have reg 1 id2 or both. Real question is how many of the top top opt out for HS?
12:54 pm - as someone pointed out the hs item was noted in the application. It is not listed in the FAQ's also posted by someone. This has come up. MF has recently declined it's US Soccer DA emblem because it has girls that want to play high school and other reasons. I think that based on this that the myth of girls not playing hs if chosen for DA is very real. All of this will be spelled out when the DA's are active I would think. And, will there be try-outs? Aren't their invitations sent out like the boys? It's not an open try out, right? That is my understanding anyway.
12:546:27 wasn't snarky, it was factualGrow a pair
Sorry 7:15, but your response was both. My daughter plays for a (once-great) NPL club, but now we have all lost our way, because no one remembered to bring bread crumbs. We were practically guaranteed the GDA by our leaders, alas we are all still waiting. Since my kid is an 02, I felt like we could get great minutes at our current club, while attending some notable tournaments. Being able to play major minutes at this level, at these events, will better prepare her for a GDA tryout, than playing (?) Minutes at a mid-level ECNL club. The game is the greatest teacher is not a marketing campaign.
People don't forget the 02's will be competing for roster spots with 01's when they fulfill DA teams for this age group.
Top U15 flight at Bethesda:Group AAlbertson Fury ECNL 02 (NYE)Cleveland FC 02 (ON)NJ Wildcats Averbuch-NPL (NJ)Penn Fusion ECNL 02 (PAE)Group BSJEB Rush 02 Blue (NJ)North United FC Rush (PAW)Pipeline SC Black (MD)PA Classics Academy 02 (PAE)While they didn't create a separate flight for ECNL teams- they did put them all in the same group, wish that wouldn't have happened. Also, the NJ Wildcats team appears to be a U16 team, unless they happen to have a lot of 02's and are putting together a U15 team for this tournament. Group B teams are very familiar with each other...
8:54 - Unless I misread your point, not all ECNL in the same group. Bethesda ECNL and WC ECNL are both in the second flight, but in difference groups; and Mclean and Continental ECNL are in separate third flight groups. I do agree that it is a disservice to place SJEB Rush, Pipeline and North United in the same group because they place each other all the time. Interesting that it seems PAC has displaced HMMS in this foursome.
Bethesda top flight Group B is very interesting. The question mark is SJEB Rush out of NJ.
945 No the question mark will be how the future GDA teams will fair and if they do not compete well you know those are the places to go get seen if you planning on moving your daughter to GDA 6 months. Example PF, PAC, World Class, & Cedar Stars all go DA so depending how they perform everyone can gauge where we can expect open and easier roster spots to obtain.
9:40 AM Good point, I was only focused on the top flight. Looks like they did spread the ECNL teams around quite a bit.
854 The names on NJ Averbuch roster do have some 2001 girls J.B.#29 is one, she was on my daughter 2001 ODP team. Hopefully they don't try to cheat.
8:10The '01s have all been factored in by 12:15 AM12:15You contradict yourself a bit. The top '02s (your words) that will opt out open up MORE spots. I do appreciate you staying on top of things but what the NPL parent says - and his/her rationale is correct. There will be talent coming into these tryouts from outside ECNL - and if CSA and PDA are wise they will pay attentionLets also not forget - we have New Jersey kids flocking to New York (and I assume some to PA) ECNL - and likewise - academy in '17 for their opportunities. Some even come from NPL.
12:16 01's are not factored in. Here is a look at this year's PDA Boys U15/16 Roster. 23 players on DA: 8 born 2001, 15 born 2000. So the by next fall majority of Girls DA team for U15/16 will be made up of 2001's. So I'm expecting each new GDA to have a roster of 65-70% Odd Birth year and 30-35% Even birth year. Feel free to look at the boys side as it will give many of you the reality.PDA U15/16 Boys DA Team: http://plda.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=1655805
November 1, 2016 at 12:15 AM - How does your DA selection theory apply to PAC? PAC is not ECNL, only has one current Region I player (at the 02 level), and may not have any id2. Will everyone currently at PAC get flushed in exchange for players with your favored credentials, or will PAC select from within and fill any gaps with those with the credentials?
Fall 2017 GDA teams will be U14/15, U16/17 and U18/1923+ players 2002/2001FYI 12:57
1:15 Correct - Once again U16/17 will be 2002/2001 so 12:57 makes a valid point the odd birth years will trump majority of the roster space for next year's girls DA teams. PAC 2001 has a team that is very competitive.
1:24I've seen some really good 2002 teams this fallAre you a PAC parent?How do you know PAC 2001 competitive? I can't imagine they've even started playing yet, maybe training...
Will the DA's have strict age rules? Do they allow to play up?
1:06 is pac pa classics which is getting a da? I dont know pa geography that well but is that near mannheim? I think that would be slightly different. That area does not have any current ecnl so I would think you would get more top players from penn legacy hmms and any others Maybe some west philly who are not top on ecnl team.
208 Yes PA Classics will be pulling already identified players from Penn Legacy that went to Penn fusion in to DA including other identified players from clubs like HMMS, Reading, Hersey and current player pool at PA Classics. So they are positioned correctly to have competitive teams as PF will be only other DA in the area.
Which clubs in PA got the DA's.
PF and PAC.
PAC 2001 is in the 8th bracket at Bethesda. PAC 2002 team however is in top bracket. Obviously we know they should be there after their showing at WAGS. So either 2001's are not great or just haven't had a chance to prove themselves yet. I assume they are now playing.
1:06 They will select those who are solid from within and then fill in from outside the club. Those coaches have all the time in the world to figure out who currently from their club is DA material (before tryouts even begin)
Most 2001 teams have not played any competitive games yetNot sure why the discussionThe addition of TH to PAC's training staff will attract many players for tryouts next year
Whats going on at sdfc their 02 team just not strong at all. Are their high school kids that are coming back? Why are kids staying when there are much better options out there?
6:47 because the post was about bracket placement.
Following the DA discussion above, I doubt Region I status will have much of an effect on DA selection, and I agree that insider status provides an edge over talent. Looking at Region I pools, here are the PAE clubs to which current 2016-2017 players belong and the number of players from each club in each age group:LVU (1x2004)FC Rev (1x2004, 1x2003)HMMS (1x2003)North Union (1x2003)PF (2x2003, 4x2002, 4x2000)LDC (1x2002, 1x2001)PAC (1x2002)FC Bucks (2x2001)Penn United (1x1999)So, out of a total of 21 Region I selectees from PAE, 10 or nearly 50% are from PF, and no other club contributes more than 2 each. Most of the PF selectees will stay PF. I see only one PF selectee who might go to PAC along with the other PF-L players, but these players have also stood out this season in high school soccer. Big decisions looming on the horizon.
I like Cats or PF to come out of top group, who is Cleveland FC 02 (ON)? Are they top bracket team? Group B could be Pipeline, they have certainly improved over the years it seems. And the PA and North United seem to be real strong as well. I am just not sure about this new Rush team, but Rush always seems to be good at 02 for years NPL team.
EDP Fall Showcase Brackets look interesting as well:http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=54303&Gender=Girls&Age=15
Sadly no good colleges at edp. Whats tsf doing in the top bracket. Lvu might pull the upset here.
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