Not sure what ECNL team you were at but the cost is more like 10k not 7k.
8:47 - PF doesnt do 6 to 8 tourneys . They will only do about 2 tourneys and the rest will be ECNL showcases. Also, heard they will be carrying 22 girls. Looking more and more like PDA with roster size. So if your Mia is # 15 on the depth chart she may suit up every game but playing time will be low because of the ECNL sub rules.
Not everyone has an ECNL club in their backyard, so don't forget to add in the mileage costs to get Mia to and from practice several nights a week, plus the lost time for yardwork, housework, homework, life, etc. Many intangible costs and sacrifices. It would be interesting to know the average practice commute for an ECNL player.
10:37Picking the right club now is most imperative! All the money you spend/have spent will hopefully be "pre-payment" for college with scholarship to follow...Almost 1.5 hr round trip to training in normal traffic
Scholarship you are funny. so if you go with the number of 7k a year for the next 4yrs that is 28k total. Do you think your D will get a scholarship worth that? I hope she is a YNT player to get that type of money. Although, are you hoping she gets 7k a yr? That might be more doable.
So at 22: $77,000 a year all I can say is Cha-Ching! That's the coaching staff buy all new cars next year for there travels. LOLSorry but Soccer in America has come down to affordability it's getting way out of hand now.
10:49 so you don't think much of your daughter's chances?That's pretty negative outlook on her future...I currently know players with at least 50% scholarships and they're not in the top 10% at their ages10:50Yes soccer is messed up in the US. In most countries, the better you are, the less you pay...Go Bernie!!!
1057 Totally agree maybe US Soccer should fix that (Better you are less you pay) method vs. changing the landscape with birth year, new leagues etc. Yes there are scholar ship funds out there just need to be realistic and choose a school that will accept your daughters in the future.
You guys really need to stop complaining about the club fees. You sound like such crybabies! $3500 mostly covers the turf fees, but also includes coaching, ref fees, club admin, insurance, etc. Practicing 3x a week for about 9-months of the year... thats 100 practices plus 20-league games, 2-tournaments, and 2-showcases. Most of our clubs here in PA are mostly transparent with their costs. Most are Not For Profits. Coaches get a set fee for the year. Full time coaching directors get salaries. Go to your clubs boards meeting and learn more about the costs if you are interested. Also - many ECNL-level players ARE getting the $7,000 in scholarship to recoup that costs.
9:51 Not sure about the Wildcats, but PL club fees are around $1500 and like everyone else, the real cost is hotel, gas and food. We did play in Champions and Region one which involve overnight trips to Boston, Pittsburgh and maybe some other great town, so there's another $750.00. So total cost has to be near $3500 by the time we're done. And that is most likely a low figure that doesn't include booze money for moms getting bombed or other incidentals like uniforms.
I would say PL costs are about $2800. That is $1600 for club, $200 for uniform(every other yr), $500 for costs at Jeff cup & $500 for Wags. Spirit and Delco we don't have hotel expenses. We don't have to pay for coach travel cost either.
PL is cheapNo wonder the moms always seem under the influence, plenty of money left for booze and whacky weed
10 grand - all told.Plenty are paying it.And the girls are happy. That's the bottom line.Tough when you have more than one - but people manage.The jet setters go to EuropeThis group plays sports.
I'm the one who said "$7000 easily." I said $7000 as the lowest you may be able to squeak by with paying. Yes it could be up to $10,000 but that's on the high side and only if you live a distance and want to consider gas and tolls too. Take the safe road and estimate $8,500 for the year and you're being realistic. Scary but true and all for 7 months of soccer Lol.
Wild Cats fees on website. $245 per month for this age group and girls. But as you say, the only team in NJ in F1 at Delco. Is that where you want your daughter to be. Maybe F3 or F8 and pay the same amount. bottom line is, if your daughter can really handle it, they should be F1 or at the least F2 at Delco. Time is ticking for town teams and others. College recruiting starts very soon, next year or two. Be on the right team or you are done. Believe me. It will simply slip away.
Also stated at meeting, next year PF 01's carrying 22. 4 won't even dress. PF 02's carrying 20 next year. 2 won't dress. Do those players get a discount???
There's also player 16, 17, and 18 that may dress but only see 10 minutes or less each half.
More like time is ticking until DA arrives. ECNL who?
In PA does anyone know how many players CFC and FC Bucks are carrying or how much they cost? #18 to 22 cold go to Cfc or Bucks and play more. Do wins and losses matter anymore? If a college coach is there , they are there to watch a player not a team.Are you paying that money and possible sitting the bench because PF has in's at many colleges and will get you in no matter if you are #3 or #22?
113 Nope that's PDA they have it better network with college's. PF and other PA ECNL teams do not. Sometimes brand overcomes W's. Even PDA Shore and South players will be looked at by recruiters once you mention what club you play for. So the question I have is should I go have my dd attend once PA's ECNL clubs or just take the trip over and hopefully make PDA's NPL teams either north or south then hopefully get called up to ECNL team later in her playing years.
"Don't worry sweetie you may be number 20 and not playing and I may be paying $10K for that but PF had "in's" so it'll work out!" Are you serious? Poor kid. Childhood goes by fast people. Let them enjoy it.
They're all #1's though!! Until you sign and pay that is, then you'll truly see where your superstar is in that lineup. The coach will tell you anything they know you WANT to hear, until then....
1:37 Nope yourself as PA players that live more than 50 miles from Rutgers campus cannot play on team coached by Rutgers coaching staff as Storm currently is.Even South Jersey kids are too far.That NCAA rule goes into effect once players are in high school next fall as all 01 and 02's will be in Sept.
137 I'm calling that rule out I've seen many PDA players come from PA, NY, SJ come over and play on the club. Feel free to contact PDA for more info and know your facts.
OK, Ajax defeated NJ Rush in state cup. It is coming down to the wire. 1-0 is very close, but I think typically NJ Rush is not a high scoring team.
Can anyone provide the fee's for next year for the following clubsPDA ECNLPDA NPLMFA ECNLMFA NPLNJ CrushSTANJ Wildcats
2:35 Yes in the past they clearly cheated but now they are following the rules closely as Rutgers is now on everyone's radar after making final four this past season.Coaches around the country are now paying much closer attention to what the PDA/Rutgers connection is doing and how that affects recruiting. Remember this only affects PDA Teams coached and/or trained by coaches currently on the Rutgers Staff.
PDA- $2900-$3100MFA- $3100-$3300STA- $2800-$3200NJ Crush- $3400
12:12 did not include travel expenses for Region 1 and Champions League overnight stays, but PL is the cheapest club around. Also, all PL moms are women of virtue and would consider it a mortal sin to spend extra dollars at bar getting sauced.
Actually 12:12 overstated PL's club fees. They are $1325/yr. We only had 1 overnight stay for Reg 1 Champions League, none for EDP, 4 for all tournaments combined. I would be interested to know what YMS, 1776, & HMMS cost. I think PAC is about $1800 if I remember(not incl the coaches bar tab).
At least in NJ at the 2 ECNL clubs those fees are only paid in full by the NPL and other non-ECNL players. Most of the ECNL players pay only partial or in some cases nothing at all for dues.This is usually offered as part of the inducement during the recruiting process.
Anyone with insight into the cost of the other 2 PA ECNL clubs. Are they on par with PF?
I think that is rubbish, 7:00No full paid rides at PDA
PAC is $1850/year. They don't hide their fee, it's on their website. Gotta give it to them, they are reputable club with reasonable fees and likely to get DA next year. Probably why their 02 tryout was such a huge turnout.
I'm an 01 parent but what I heard was roughly 90-100 at 02's. Hoping that's not the case for the 01 tryouts next week lol
6:58 & 10:50..does that include acceptance fees?
BS on 7pm, not true.
6:50 or PL parentWhat's the verdict, are your 01's and 02's sticking together for the most part?
Not 6:50 or PL(PF, P?) Parent, but highly doubtful that PL 01's and 02's are sticking together. However, there may be some small clusters moving together. The players have been seen far and wide at various different training sessions and tryouts. Several of the players on the team have been rather itinerant anyway, having stopped at a number of different clubs through the years. It will be interesting to see how their "legacy" as far as ranking and bracket placement is passed down to whatever group of girls takes their place as the Club's team in the age group. Of course, this same legacy issue will be played out in many different clubs.
I've heard the PL goalkeeper is going to PF.
Penn Legacy Club President sent out the following edict for all coaches during the 2016/2017 season. 1. All teams will use a 4-3-3 formation.2. There will be no practicing of set plays at any age level3. Substitutions to be brought in at eight to ten minute intervals 4. Each player will play at least two positions during games.5. No practicing of "headers" for 12U and under. 6. Coaches may be called coach by players, but no actual coaching is allowed during gamesAre there other clubs following the US Soccer guild lines in a similar fashion?
I'm a pf parent and knew about the roster size 20 (and thought that was kind of a lot) but didn't know only 18 dress for games. I think that's horrible and very bad for morale. How does this work out at other clubs? Do they change the non dressers? Does anyone go from being a non dresser to a starter? This really has me thinking :(
8:16 - I am guessing your child is an 02 because the 01 team will carry 22 players. So that means 4 players do not suit up for games. Also heard that players not suiting up must travel with team to away games.
I'd imagine it can change based on earning it during practices ect but in reality your always going to have a bottom of the roster. It surely doesn't help knowing you may spend $10K regardless, not knowing what will happen each game.
8:22That's ridiculous if true!!
PL also mandates every player start at least every other game, irregardless of effort made at practice or previous games. Sorry, but at this level, starting and playing time should be earned. Next thing you know PL won't enter their teams into leagues that keep score. Good luck with all those rec teams.
8:16 - I agree with 8:28 i think positions 14 to 18 will maybe change with practices. The starters will for the most part be set and the 1st subs off bench. The players that play 20 min a game may change week to week.
If your kid doesnt travel with the team then does she even feel part of the team? Do her teammates look at her differently? She is missing all the team bonding and will feel like an outsider on her team. Also, what if there are injuries in Saturdays game and they could use her in Sundays game?
It is true. 4 01's and 2 02's won't even dress for games. Take into consideration that then you have several that will dress but only see 10 minutes of play each half.
PF is sounding more and more like PDA, without the talent.
I agree and they also apparently cost more than PDA!
Next year at this time no one will even be talking ECNL anymore.
Does NPL also only allow 18 players to dress? At the PF meeting they said the NPL team could possibly have 20 players as well.
Why is ridiculous? I thought all these kids that move to ECNL teams from Non-ECNL teams are stars and will play max minutes. So why would they care about roster size?The kids on ECNL teams that are roster depth understand what that means.If a team has 2 ODP/id2 type forwards (NT pool level) starting and your player is 1 of 4 other forwards fighting for minutes (players have equal ability low level ODP/id2). Why is this a bad thing - you don't think they break their ass every day to try and earn those minutes and when they finally earn those 20 minutes that should be a positive stepin the right direction and a motivation for the kid who lost them. Why is this bad? Yes because it costs a lot of money and you want to watch your kid play you don't want to pay for another kid to play. Back where I grew up either you joined the game and you rolled your dice on the corner or you didn't hang with that crew because you knew why they were killing time playing craps.Your call - but which every you choose remember you had a choice and you picked your situation so deal with it.GS4 Life
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8:54 I assume your daughter is not ECNL is she? Ever hear of that word Politics?
@854, most leagues only allow 18 to dress, NPL included
GS4 Life - this is bad because the girls that do not play are only practice players. If you do not get in game situations then you learn nothing. Practices are still going to be about ball skills. Also, agree with 9:01 Politics play a part in who plays or who gets pushed to the for front of a team. This brings up the question, do you as a parent feel being # 14 to #20 player at a club like PF will help your daughter get into a college more then your daughter actually playing at a B or C level club?
Yep If your kid isn't TC worthy or you don't have any "connections" otherwise-good luck
The best will soon be DA players and those currently near the bottom of the ECNL roster and top of NPL roster will have their time with ECNL where they'll get more attention.
Players "sit" on a rotating basis.There are no "players that do not dress" I like the A team/B team system better - where if you are short a player or 2 a deserving reserve gets promoted off their efforts with the second squad.ECNL mirrors professional soccer. I guess either way works - though not dressing even for a game can be demoralizing
Don't dress/sit. Same thing. Why are people wiling to pay 10 grand for that? Even for the ones who play but play minimal minutes, it's embarrassing for them!
This is how it works. At any given point in time there will be a bottom 8 or so kids on the roster. However, the specific players move in and out of this cadre throughout the course of the year. Penn Fusion wants to win so if player 14 kills it one week they will often start the next game to see what they can do from the beginning. There is also fluidity in the starting line ups- don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Now the top 5 kids may be the top 5 kids all season and see more playing time than the others. The bottom 5 kids may or may not stay the bottom 5 but they will play less. On the not dressing issue.There is a roster rotation that does not include the top players. Also remember that as kids get older they get injured more frequently so 22 may really be 20 at any given time. It is not published as in these-8-kids-are-available-for-rotation for the year. It is an event by event designation and goes down as an email that says these will be the rotated players for the first game this weekend and these for the other game. However, kids are not rotated to sit out for more than one game in an event. If they sit out they have to dress in the opposite colors and sit on the bench. So if your kid is #22 and you fly to Sanford, your kid will generally play at least half a game for 2 games. That's pretty generous actually and there is as much or more grumbling from the top 11 about play time. In recruitment years, it would be better for the club to designate the sit out schedule earlier so that coaches can be noticed and not show up to watch your kid only to find out she's sitting the entire game. However that takes away the possibility that in the last week of practices and games before a big event your kid might break into the non rotating bunch so there is no clear cut answer on the timing.Similarly if a NJ team travels for an overnight set (remember ECNL league games come in pairs)of games to Boston, kids won't sit out for both games, but they must travel and sit on the bench for their sit out game.Overall playing time and sub patterns are generally as follows. GK split time in half for almost all (exception may be playoffs) events. Generally they alternate starter GKs.The top 2-3 players play the whole game. The rest of the top third 75% the middle third about 50% and the bottom third including the sit outs at about 25% However, roster relative strength changes throughout the season and kids who were starting have ended up in roster rotations. There have been rotated kids transitioning to starter. Controversial topic but absolutely true: The Non ECNL events like CASL and Jeff cup are used to showcase kids who don't play as much in ECNL events. Committed kids don't even travel to these events on many teams. All kids get 50% or more and there isn't a rotation generally if there are enough committed kids to sit out. Few if any kids play the whole game in these events to make sure all the kids get to perform in front of coaches. Generally in the ECNL league games there are quite a few subs at 20 minutes in a 40 minute game. A few happen at 25 and a few at 30. It is usually pretty clear where the coaches rank your kid by their sub patterns. They will also rotate positions to keep some kids in and to get some kids on the field. many kids play on the flank as both backs and forwards. They play with 3 midfielders with 3 differing responsibilities and kids will often find themselves bounced into differing responsibilities during the game. So if you think your kid should only play one position you might be unhappy.
10:18 - Sounds like a PF coach.There are some untruths in that statement.
Thanks for the thorough explanation. This system is not for everybody, but I can see the benefits. I worry about confidence of the players. Teenage girls, even excellent athletes, can be a bit oversensitive sometimes. Less playing time can add to losing confidence, and that can negatively their play. Slippery slope.
1018 I See you have been through this scenario before. Now what is everyone's opinion with so many tryouts coming up and big changes does one tryout and make a team that a club and coach is focus and history of getting girls to play at the college level or try to get on a team with high ranking and win's consistently on top flights in leagues and tournaments knowing it may lead to the same result of exposure.
I love try out season so much to talk about.
The first time my kid got left off the roster, she didn't get out of bed for the entire weekend. It is brutal and unhealthy. My view, is the coach should set a rotation schedule with the flexibility to make changes to it if practice is not up to snuff. That way, kids know in advance that they aren't playing. You can argue that it is about "competition" but the reality is that many there really isn't much difference between play 16 and player 22. The subbing system is actually decent as long as coaches don't wait to get the girls in until too late. It enables girls to get uninterrupted minutes without fear of getting yanked. But I think that ECNL should specify sub times. Our club consistently puts their subs in a good 10 minutes after the other team.... C
9:18 I don't see this as a bad situation if you knew that's what it is. I would ask my daughter and lay it out just as 10:18 did (great job!!!) and if she wanted to play for an ECNL team then I would expect her to do her best and play a bunch like any parent would their kid. But there is a 50% chance I'm just a sucker who pays for some other kid to play while my kid watches. Regardless we knew what we were getting into and the one thing that no one can take away is that she will practice with very good players. Nothing else is guaranteed. Not for every child - child and parent need to be mentally tough when things go not as expected as a result of politics or player just isn't ready yet. The kid doesn't need extra pressure. I'll say not for everyone.College - soccer was never going to get my kid into the school she wants!!Her grades will and then she will walk on to the field as a walk on and show the coaches all she learned as a "practice player" and since the coach doesn't have anything to lose she gets on the roster and because she has already gone through the fight for minutes she will be prepared and will have an edge compared to the girls that always played on their NON-ECNL teams.I like to watch my kid play - LOVE to watch my kid play and as long as she has that smile on her face i will play the role of sucker and be there for her should she ever need it.GS 4Life
10:18 HAS to be a coach. I get that the coach has to look out for the club and the team... but you tell me how that sounds good to any parent and player? A weekend trip to Boston that will cost about $600 to play 20 minutes as the #20 girl? Who is willing to take that $10K risk for the year? AND who is willing to put their daughter through that kind of demoralizing? FOR WHAT?????
Well said, GS4LifeWE are in the same boatBut many are not - they do not have that type academic prowess.This is a tough grind - for the top student and the player looking to get in just on ability on the pitch. No player/parent's process should be looked down on. And all should be encouraged to continue in the sport if they wish.Often a decision comes - keep playing (attend where you CAN play) or go to the school of your choice - this is when it is a bit tougher - .
And keep in mind, one fluke of an injury can end it all at any given time.
10:18 thank you so much for explaining. I understand now, although I don't think I like it. I think my daughter would be mortified to be sitting on the bench in the opposite colors but I suspect she will want to play for the best anyway and would live with it.
As of now no one knows who the best teams will be next year with all the changes with birth year and at this age it starts to become more about showcasing the individual player than the team. So basically making sure your daughter is on the field should be priority. To pay an insane amount of money for her to sit the bench or to get minimal playtime is doing her no good.
10:18.... "Similarly if a NJ team travels for an overnight set (remember ECNL league games come in pairs)of games to Boston, kids won't sit out for both games, but they must travel and sit on the bench for their sit out game."This isn't necessarily true. Our club brings only those rostered for the weekend. There is no rotation Saturday/Sunday for an away weekend. Home weekends are potentially a different story.
2:13 - and your club is.....?
Sorry I meant 40 minute half not forty minute game. In fact if a kid sits out a game, they are generally not the last off the bench in the remaining game in the weekend. There are a few make up minutes given to her in that scenario. I think that is in recognition of development, but also in being sensitive to the mental stress the sit out schedule causes some. These teams are great for the top 5 players no doubt. I think they are also great for the middle third who are challenged and motivated and pushed to improve within a great venue for exposure. I think it is a case by case on the bottom third. It might depend on why the kid is in the bottom third. lack of athleticism- can't do much there at this point and might not be able to rise up, but physical development being behind? Might catch up and rise to the top 5 with another few inches and 15 pounds. Have seen that happen. Probably an individual family decision on whether its a fit or not. No I am not a coach, just have older kids who have been through it. What exactly isn't true? I am telling it as I saw it.I agree there isn't much difference between 16-22 often. that's why they rotate about 8 kids into the roster rotation. It also doesn't point to one or two kids as the very bottom and keeps play time reasonable if not equal.
2:32 - what you are saying is what you see happen with your D's team. What might happen on other teams could be different? Different coaches think differently. What club are you talking about? PF , PDA,or MF?
PF, PDA and MFA all suck.
Yes they are going in same direction. $$$.And at PDA there are absolutely deals for discounts for most of the ECNL players on dues.Saying no full rides is obfuscation. they pay a portion while B and C team players all pay full amount for dues.
PF needs to pay for the new fields they want to rent . Bigger roster = more $$$$$$
Still bulls*it, 5:07
Who's having 01 tryouts currently? How are your numbers?
Imagine a few years down the road when you have to justify to your now grown, mature daughter why you didn't step in as a parent when she was being demoralized by sitting on the bench and often humiliated when sitting in different colors when left her off roster. These are supposed to be the best times of their lives, not some horse race/meat grinder that sacrifices your child for your ego as a failed athlete. Adolescence is a difficult enough time for young girls to adapt and handle the physical and mental changes they are going through without spending so much time and effort on a team where they can't regularly play good time.My God put them on a team where they can play and develop, gain self confidence and feel good about themselves.
9:18 - Agreesitting on the bench is no fun. Playing the game is fun.
Well said 9:18So if little Mia isn't top 20%, better start looking away from ECNLECNL is for parents'ego most of the time
slow clap for 9:18!
I am sure that each girl and their parents have that conversation. And my guess is that most parents would advise thier daughter in what they think. And then they would let their daughter make the decision. If they are unhappy they will leave for another team. We have all read about girls leaving all the time from these teams. But if they don't mind sitting every 3rd or 4th game and playing 25-40 minutes a game (as well as practicing with what are supposed to be the best girls and trainers around) then they will stay. And I don't think it is any of our business what they decide.
ECNL is the master of monetizing insecurity and status seeking. The cost of this is not only in cash.
The very core of the idea of ECNL is exclusionary, perhaps that is why USSF passed on a partnership, you think??
Certainly would not be the best way to find and develop the soccer talent that is excluded. Is that important to the USSF? I guess that remains to be seen.
Sorry, how is the very core of the idea of ECNL exclusionary?
Really, you need an explanation? No thanks, I need to go to the bathroom.
10:32. Nice drive by. Very intelligent.
what most fail to recognize is that the ECNL is run by a few club heads that have tremendous say in the league. They care about the girls but not to the point where they think it's their obligation to develop hidden gems or some real talent that just needs the right kind of naturing. They are here to to win. And this requires them to pay attention to the best girls that fit INTO THEIR SYSTEM. This is not an altruistic endeavor to develop girls for the national team. This is first and foremost a business venture and your daughter may or may not be a causality of this machine. Girls become national team players in spite of this machine- not necessary because of some internal benevolent sense of obligation. The USSF-DA although not perfect by any means, have a different mission and although it may take some time to get right, their path will leave less bodies by the side of the road simply because of economics will not be their driver.Soccer Nut
ECNL is for talented players who can finance their development and inclusion in the league. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. Just do not pretend that it is otherwise.
Soccer Nut, that is dead on. Sad but true.
I am back from the bathroom, what did I miss?
10:38. Correct. Same as any other top team before ECNL came along.soccer nut is right, there is money and politics involved. But I think there will be also with DA. this idea that DA will be so benevolent and mission oriented is a bit hard to believe. still run by humans. And probably in some cases the same humans that currently run ECNL. you'll never get the politics out.
There is everything WRONG with that, you low-life republican douche.
10:42What did you miss? Perhaps you need more TP?
The boy's side shows effort to include some players regardless of limited income. We will see what, if any effort is put in place to address the income issue by the USSF for the girl's side.
should kids soccer be free? Government sponsored? Get a clue.
boys side has huge cash behind it. girls side does not.
I assume politics in every endeavor. The question one must ask is - what is the underlying mission. How will the DA be graded. Will it be by how much money they make or how the contribute to the development cause of the US. Soccer Nut
LOL 10:43 - so so wrong about that.This is a free country. The ECNL can have their country club, just like any other country club. They are not obligated to seek out and develop the soccer talent of this country. I hope the USSF has a different mission.
There is nothing in this country that is free.
There are non profit organizations that exist to provide support and opportunities to people or groups with low incomes. You may or may not choose to be supportive of these organizations and their missions.
Speech is and that is why you can type any rubbish you want here.
Opprotuniites can be financed by groups that choose to provide them. Who said soccer be free or government sponsored? If a group wants to help develop a talented player of limited means, they can. You don't have to be involved if you choose not to be.
Where's Spelling Nazi?
"who said soccer be free..."2 plus 2 be 4 yo
Any commenst on the content instead of the grammar?
...or the misspellings? lol.
Mosst clubz hav sum sort ov skolarship availuble for those who cant afford playing
Just to get away from the socialist rhetoric briefly, let’s talk about concussions. We had a player suffer a concussion in mid October, and she is still not back with the team. She has also suffered at school, where she has missed 70% of her classes and exams. I know we all live with the specter of injury, but this case has really shaken us. I simply cannot see how her parents would ever let her come to back to play, sad.
Do those scholarships travel costs to the west coast? That weekend alone equals the team fees for the year.
meant include travel costs
Having private organizations involved is the opposite of socialism. You can stay in the country club. Those with lowly bank accounts can play somewhere other than the country club. The government can stay out of it entirely.
I have a problem with these scholarships sorry :(If the club is paying for it out of their tournaments profit - cool then the entire A team should be free. I bust my horns for my kid to play this sport and the money I pay doesn't grow on a tree - I make the sacrifices needed to budget this for my kid not for anyone else. Call it what you want - but if you can't pay not my problem
Then you probably belong at a club that does not provide scholarships. They don't keep their scholarship policy a secret until after you join the team.
9:18 Here again. Do some of you really not see the handwriting on the wall or are you just so desperate to have the elite exclusionary ECNL continue that you are in complete denial.First off when US Soccer met with ECNL before the DA was announced a few months ago it was made clear that the Federation was not going to be club based or exclusionary in any way and would not be affiliated with ECNL.Then they announced the DA for 2017 with no partnership with ECNL.At that point it was clear there was NOT going to be both the DA and ECNL working in any way together as a Level 1 and Level 2 for elite players. When the ECNL clubs then had their own meeting last week they knew that going along with this new plan was the deathnell for their monopoly on the big money for elite players. Now they have decided to fight and evidence of that is their most recent announcement that ECNL will now be starting up an ECNL League on the boys side. They are now openly competing directly with the Federation and ECNL clubs will have to choose between remaining ECNL or dropping out if they want to be part of the DA.There is a possibility this is a maneuver by the ECNL Clubs to force the Federation to come back to the table and work in conjunction with the ECNL Clubs in the new format.The point is the ECNL Clubs realize they cannot continue to rake in the big bucks without the leverage that comes with excluding the non ECNL Clubs from the table.Once these clubs are all on a level playing field and the leverage is gone all the moves like bloated rosters,etc. will no longer work with the parentsd.Remember a monopoly is never good for the consumer.
Didn't Obama administration just signed an order to ignite corporate competition I guess this goes for non-profit(HaHa) Organizations like ECNL v USSF. I just don't understand why university coaches aren't more involved in these meetings between USSF and ECNL. Shouldn't that be the goal first just like other sports adhere too basketball/football to play college first then they should determine play professionally. Simple fact USSF recruit and developme from the college ranks I'm sure you'll find many gems there like women's soccer has.
All you need to know about how spot on that post is will be answered when you see how savagely it is attacked by those at the ECNL Clubs who are desperate to keep the status quo in place and also want to keep us in the dark.
This youth sports thing is big big bucks. tht's all yo need to ignite competition. Hope it is good or the customer for once. Let's have a few high level leagues get into a price war!
So at this point with teams not formed, bye, etc. most of us don't know where in the roster rank our daughters will fall. Any thoughts on going with a big roster club and then mid way through fall if girl ends up 16-22 leaving club and going elsewhere (or focusing on different sport) etc?
I missed something here. When has any player ever been denied the chance to play ECNL?
1:08 keep in mind mid season for the 2016-17 year will be Jan/Feb with most clubs not really starting up until November. You would already have paid out the years fee by then and come March the debacle of tryout season is already in gear.
1:29 ECNL is exclusionary in that it allows only certain clubs into their league.Therein lies their monopoly and their leverage to influence players to take spots on ECNL roster even when they are between 15-24 and not usually in the mix for enough playing time to develop the necessary game experience ad confidence.Without ECNL players in those spots would just go play for a slightly weaker but still strong team who would play in the same showcase tournaments and the player would be part of the top 15 and get the necessary time to develop.As tournament play has shown there are a few teams in each of the populated states outside of the ECNL teams who can compete. If all the clubs were in the same boat those teams would draw those payers on the outside on their ECNL teams and those teams would be even more competitive.
1:29 is just trying to muddy the waters. He is not that stupid.
As I read through all of this, here is my strong opinion. I would much rather, have my daughter play 30-40 minutes, of an 80 minute game with the highest level, than play 70-80 minutes with another lower level team, it just makes sense at this point, meaning U14/15. Expose them to the best now. If not that is fine, JAGS, MOSA and lower level EDP is available, but if your girl is truly good enough, not the best, but good enough to "work with" put them with the best for as much time as you can. And remember they will be training with the best as well year round. what more can you ask for.
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1:45 - if you are a bench player on an ECNL team you are lucky to get 30 min a game. It is more like 20 to 25 min a game. Then now there will be those weekends or games when you dont even suit up and play. Like it has been said before here. Is it better to be 16 to 20 on ECNL and play 25 min a game or be 1 to 5 on a non-ecnl team and play 70 to 80 min a game?
Depends on the club and team. I have seen ECNL teams where players 20-25 got D1 offers. That is rare though.
I suggest you read more carefully, 1:41.Has any player, I repeat, PLAYER, ever been denied the opportunity to play ECNL?
I have no qualms with the arguments that ECNL excludes certain clubs and teams. After all, it's very true. And if the exclusion of certain clubs and teams gores your ox, I can see why it would be upsetting. I don't understand why the plight of non-ECNL clubs is your passion, but if it is, I can see why you'd be upset.But the ECNL does not exclude players. Anyone can try out. If players were denied access to the top league, that is something we could all get behind and be outraged about.But why the need to defend a non-ECNL club? Why the outrage? After all, if you want your daughter to play against ECNL players, there is a pretty obvious solution, play for an ECNL team. It will be the same when the GDA comes along. Certain clubs will join the GDA, most will not be part of it. And again, individual players will have the choice of trying out or not. No player will be excluded, but many clubs will be. Will you still be outraged? Why not?
Then why did yous ay it again. 2:17?What is your opinion?I think it is based on particulars myself. There are a few non ECNLs that are very worthy. ECNL-like, if you will. Playimng more on that type team might be better. On a much lesser team, maybe not. Nobody likes struggling as a team.
How about under the DA the 2nd level is open to all teams.And the most exposure goes back to top tournaments like Jeff Cup, Bethesda, Disney, CASL,etc along with USYSA Regionals and Nationals as far as exposure to the college coaches.And the admission process and flighting at those major tournaments and the ability to qualify to play at Regionals or Nationals would be based solely on the quality and track record of each individual team not the letters on the front of your shirt.Now some may say that ECNL has the best teams, but while certainly some of the best teams are in ECNL in each age group, it is also clear that the teams below the top teams in each of our 2 ECNL Leagues in Region 1 are inferior to the top Non-ECNL Teams in Region 1.Does anyone doubt that for instance South Shore of Mass is not better than the majority of ECNL Teams? Or that they have players who are superior to the players at the ECNL teams in the bottom half of the 2 ECNL Leagues in Region 1. This would be a benefit to all of our players and parents and only a dteriment to the $$$ made by the ECNL clubs. You would also see all the top teams below the DA go back to max 18 player rosters as players would gravitate to teams where they would regularly play good minutes and always dress out.
Some non encl. teams fared very well against PDA during the PDA tournament.. Even if you discount that some storm players were not there, its hard to argue that this storm team did not have a tough time against a decent long island NPL , losing 2-0.If being at practice with the best without playing that often is supposed to be better then getting more minutes with an NPL team, then surely this storm team should have handled this team rather easily.Maybe just maybe the marketing is just better ?Soccer Nut
"The first time my kid got left off the roster, she didn't get out of bed for the entire weekend. It is brutal and unhealthy".Amazing a parent who wrote this still has his daughter on this team.If your child is getting demoralized to that degree by her participation in youth sports don't you think she should move? If it is as you say a brutal and unhealthy situation then don't you as a parent have a responsibility to step in?They are only 13 or 14 and not always able to make the best decision for themselves at that age. The definition of child abuse and her own parent as enabler.
FC Delco tournament flights have been updated
Alternatively, 3:01, the GDA teams will have their own second teams, who will play in their own leagues, own showcases, etc.Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
3:35 - Right!! It's funny that people think the big bad unfair ECNL will be replaced by the perfect GDA, where players are sought out at their local rec teams to make it big on the national stage. It's the same thing with a different name (and mission - nod to soccer nut).Also, just a question. How does the previous poster justify the statement that ECNL is a money grab, but then say that they exclude deserving clubs. If it's just about money, wouldn't they want all the clubs that they could get? More players = more kids at events = more revenue right?i'm not saying ecnl is perfect. nothing is. but the hate is really overblown.
Don't hate the ECNL. I just call a a spade a spade. It a luxury youth st is not designed to be the home of all the great soccer playing girls. It is for the ones that are in a position to buy it if they have the talent and the means.
Meant a luxury youth sports league with luxury youth sports teams.
3:45 because it's about a small number of clubs divvying up the money.If it was all about the best teams than many more clubs would have 1 or 2 teams at that elite level and ECNL wouldn't control the showcase events and the money they generate.Also there would be no more bloated roster of 19-25, don't discount how much of a cash cow that has been for the ECNL clubs.Who would sign up for that if they could get on a team that plays in the same showcases and gets the same exposure and they are now playing and dressing every game on a roster of 18 or even less?You are being disingenuous my ECNL friend.
But why is better for Richmond Soccer Club (which controls Jeff Cup) or Disney (which controls Disney) to control the showcases rather than a conglomerate of the 70+ ECNL clubs?Did ECNL invent bloated rosters? Didn't Spirit and FC Delco back in the day (pre-2009) roster more than 18? I personally would leave a club where my kid did not dress every game and did not play half the game. But many parents don't feel that way. Are we to blame ECNL for separating them from their money?I have no data that says that practicing 3X/week against ECNL competition, but then sitting the bench, is better for development than practicing 3X/week with a non-ECNL team, and then playing 75% of every game. Sitting the bench so much is not for me, so I would choose the latter, but I'm also not so hung up whether my kid reaches 100% of her soccer potential or not. I'd sacrifice some development for more minutes, personally.
FC Pennsylvania Strikers current historical roster sizes99/00 - 20 players93/94 - 2388/99 - 1686/87 - 19This a free club, so at least one club exists where the bigger roster size (>18) is not a money grab.It's an easy argument to make that ECNL players 18-22 are only rostered to make more money for the club, but clearly there may be more to it than money.
Travel baseball "Consider the cost, which can range from as little as $500 to as much as $6,000 per year, not including travel expenses for motels, food, gas and tolls. Weigh that total cost versus the value of the experience and training. The more participation costs the more you should expect the program to deliver. The number one reason so many independent teams fold is that they don’t represent good value. Families are quick (maybe too quick) to vote with their feet these days. Ask whether it might make more sense (and cost fewer cents) for your child to continue playing in a “house” or local program but supplement his training with private instruction."Same story different sport - nothing is for free should it be? Soccer doesn't have the same structure as baseball or does it make the same amount of money - so how do you want these clubs to pay their employees for their time? They have families also so they should train our kids for free?If you can pay your kid can enjoy playing at a high level just like if you can pay you go to Atlantis or you go to Rockaway.GS 4 life
Sorry that's Beach 116th Street for those of you not form NY.GS 4 Life
The anti-ECNL crowd wants access to playing against the best ECNL players and teams, without footing the cost of paying ECNL money (although many non-ECNL clubs are just as expensive as ECNL). ECNL players also want to play against ECNL quality players, so they...wait for it...actually join the ECNL. The anti-ECNL passion comes from always hearing that ECNL is the top league with the best players and best college exposure, and yet their child is not a part of it. It gets under their skin.But no one will be honest and say this. So instead we get a load of "I'm so worried about players 18-22 on the ECNL rosters. I'm so worried about them, and how it affects overall soccer development in this great nation of ours."BS. What you want is for your kid to play against the top of the pyramid. And your hope is that the DA will come along and prune off the top 5%, and leave a nice broad, non-club based second level for the next 20% where your kid will likely land.Which is fine. I'm ok with that outcome. But it might be nice to mention your self interest instead of wrapping yourself in the altruistic cloak of concern for development of players 18-22.
The players that can do it are very fortunate and I assume are having a great experience or they would not participate. If affordable options are arrogantly maligned as being for inferior players, there will be push back as there should be.
@3:59 why do you think the DA will be any different than the current ECNL model of a finite number of clubs controlling the elite players? The GDA will be exactly the same as the ECNl with a slightly different governance. Actually has larger potential rosters and more limited subs. Players 12-15 will struggle to get time. Even better for players 6-11 than exist now as far as exposure and play time but alot worse for players 12-18. yes there is a guaranteed something like 25% start, but they pull alot of the lower roster level kids "starting"a game really early. Talk about demoralizing. Many kids travel and don't play. Yes at this age there is dilution of talent and it is not uncommon for a non ECNL teams to be better than ECNL teams. However the talent will largely consolidate- Just the way it happens. Possibly a few kids get left out due to finiacnial limitations, but they don't have to travel to flight level places and many actually do not. I don't buy the fussing. If you want your kid to play, and she is good enough, top 5, she won't pay. If she isnt a top 5 the local team will serve her purposes and the USSF wont be interested in her anyway. If the travel is too much for your family she will showcase at drivable level places. Oh and Florida is drivable for most of region 1.
The cost is just not that different, 7:54.Honest question. Has anyone tried out for ECNL, received and offer, and then changed their mind after seeing the cost? Has anyone been on an ECNL team, and after one year changed teams due to cost?I'm not saying it never happens, I just honestly don't know of anyone who's ever done either of these.
I meant, 7:57, not 7:54.
Tis the season of complete Bull***t! Gotta love it and feel for the parents that buy into the crap they are spoon fed before paying...I mean "accepting." No one knows where their kid will rank on next years rosters yet despite what some annoying egotistical parents may think. If your kid plays ECNL they better truly be damn good or they'll sit-end of story. The exception to that is politics and oh hell is there plenty of it! Make sure you're being realistic. If not you'll be a very unhappy parent and so will your kid while they sit the bench feeling embarrassed and getting no development. All for only 10 grand!
My kid may be smart enough for Ivy League, but I may only be able to afford state school for her.I would never begrudge Ivy League's right to exist and charge whatever they want for access to their product. Or imply that those who choose Ivy league are wasting their money.The teachers may be just as capable at the state school, and the subject matter is largely the same, but attendance in the Ivy League will give better access to a connected alumni network, and the name of the Ivy League school will be a draw for employers.In the end, I'd make an economic decision to not send my kid to the Ivy League school. But I'd never bitch about how the Ivy League is exclusionary and over hyped and costs too much and is great for the top students but the bottom students would be better off at a lesser school where they could stand out. Or that folks who can afford the Ivy League are arrogant.
8:00PM you need to reread my posts.I said that everyone BELOW the DA should all be in a level playing field with each teams track record and not club affiliation determining who gets into the best showcases and how they are flighted. The DA will do their thing but there is no reason for still having ECNl below them when ECNL is not open competition for all teams and its events are exclusionary.How does that and the larger rosters of ECNL teams make sense for level 2 when open competition will eliminate all that. My point is open things up and everything below the DA will be open to all teams who can earn entry to those events anAlso elimination of ECNL will restore USYSA State Cup winners, and Regionals and Nationals as another great avenue for exposure for those teams who can earn their way there.Same thing would be true for identification. Remove US Soccer Center and all the other Id outfits that are all watered down with a lot of mediocre talent and get back to ODP with 1 avenue where all the best players try out and only the best make it to Regional and National Teams.
boca on to semi finals in edp open cup. 1-0 versus Barons.
8:20 I disagree strongly.... You have just described what is wrong with both ECNL and our educational and economic system. It is not acceptable for highly skilled players or highly intelligent students to be denied success based on the amount of money they have. Could be why we lag behind most first world countries in both soccer and education. Your post is the very definition of elitist.
Delco flights are a joke. GS is a joke as well.
We lag in soccer because our best athletes do not play soccer. As they are measured, the US probably does lag behind many countries. But the fact is we are the most innovative country in the history of the world. I can teach a monkey calculus, but innovation takes more than that.
The ECNL is bush league compared to the status seeking that goes on at an Ivy league school (or better yet, an Ivy league reunion). Not bitching about the arrogance is fine but it won't make it disappear. These people are better than you - you need the right credentials to make eye contact.You will also find some amazing people of extremely fine character.
8:11Yea? I'm sure plenty have. Silly question. Many parents just don't know what they are getting into.
PrincetonFull-ride (including tuition plus room & board) for families making $54,000 a year or less. Free tuition for families making less than $120,000 a year.StanfordFull-ride (free tuition, room & board) for families making less than $65,000. Free tuition for families making less than $125,000.DartmouthFree tuition for families making less than $100,000.So Yes, a family making less than 125k or 100k a year can get a full ride at some top schools.Player A, B, & C - identical skill size when it comes to soccer and all three are 3.98 studentsPlayer A - parents can afford ECNL andany schoolin the country.Player B - parents can afford ECNL but make to much money to go to princeton for free sothey have to go to a state school.Player C - can't afford ECNL but can get a free ride to princeton based on family income.Player B parents are the same ones that get killed with this scholarship programs payand pay more so player C can play. Player A has not a worry in the world.let me go back to one of my previous postsSoccer was not going to get my kid into her school of choice her grades will then she will walk on and make the soccer team no strings. But in order to do that she has to mentally tough. GS 4 Life
It is no joke out there. These students should use their valuable time and energy wisely in college as they look to the future. Have a great player but the reality is, IMHO, her time will be better spent pursuing other opportunities in college than more soccer. I know many feel it is important and my player may ultimately decide it is important as well. We will see.
I believe many of these ECNL programs subsidize families who can't afford the tuition. They do not turn down the truly talented.
Yes, 9:52within reason
And it's not from the players 18-24. They hold fund raisers for that exact purpose.
Well I am glad you are so sure, 2:54. Considering I know no one who has done this, or even he's d of anyone who has done this, I am not sure at all.
You would have to out of your mind to turn down an ECNL spot. It is so incredibly amazing and worth every penny. Impossible that there could be a better choice for your player.
So often it is logistics, 11:03Longer drive can be tough on families, more so than the $$.
Longer drive can definitely be a reason along with you have to be nuts to just shrug off paying $10,000. That's not chump change to most people.
I was gently mocking the thought that no one turns down the ECNL. I guess it did not come through on line. There are several reasons a family might decide it is not the best choice n the end. Time,$$$$, distance, travel. You try out for some teams, evaluate your choices and make the best one. Best option might be the ECNL or a different team. Depends.
When will we know what clubs got the DA? Anyone have a timeline on that?
Ecnl parent here. In a nutshell, for your kid to play here you have to have thick skin, money to spend and a lot of it, and a ton of time to devote. Oh and connections help. A lot.
What kind of connections???
Another academy player signs in Europe with Schalke. I believe that's 4 now who have rights owned by major clubs - Borrusia, Arsenal, Chelsea & Schalke. Keep saying the boy's DA is a failure.
Thank you, 12:21. That's the most honest assessment I've seen on here. Folks have tons of legitimate reasons why ECNL is not for them. And if they had the choice, they'd prefer that ECNL did not exist so that their child could play against the ECNL players, instead of those players being walled off in the ECNL. And if they did say that, the ECNL folks would likely say "I hear you, and I'm sorry about that. But at this time ECNL is where my kid will most consistently face the toughest competition as well as having the best visibility with college coaches."But the non-ECNL folks never say that. Instead, their pride f---s with them and they end up attacking the ECNL instead. But the arrival of the GDA will not change this appreciably unless the GDA accepts a lot less players than the ECNL did. More players equals more money so I don't see this happening.
The gda will sell their wares like all the others. If they have enough satisfied customers they should be able to make a go of it. Certainly seems to be no shortage of customers for high level girl's soccer.
BDA Clubs U15/U16NORTHEAST DIVISION & ATLANTIC DIVISIONby (Girls League)of all the clubs that have a girls team 10 belong to a club league and 3 are individual. Which do you believe the GDA will go with? Ig your club is not ECNL or NPL good luck unless you are the PA Strikers who will get an invite 100%(ECNL) Albertson SC (Great Neck, N.Y.)(ECNL) Bethesda-Olney (Bethesda, Md.)(ECNL) Continental FC DELCO (West Chester, Pa.)(ECNL) Players Development Academy (Somerset, N.J.)(ECNL) Richmond United (Richmond, Va.)(NPL) Everton FC Westchester (Scarsdale, N.Y.)(NPL) Oakwood Soccer Club (Glastonbury, Conn.)(NPL) FC Boston Bolts (Waban, Mass.)(NPL) Seacoast United (Hampton, N.H.)(NPL) NJCSA (Aberdeen, N.J.)(RCL) Empire United (Rochester, N.Y.)(EDP) Beachside SC (Norwalk, Conn.)(PAGS) PA Classics (Manheim, Pa.)(n/a) BW Gottschee Academy (Queens, N.Y.)(n/a) New England Revolution (Foxborough, Mass.)(n/a) Montreal Impact FC (Montreal, Quebec)(n/a) Baltimore Armour (Ellicott City, Md.)(n/a) Philadelphia Union (Wayne, Pa.)(n/a) D.C. United (Washington, D.C.)(n/a) New York Red Bulls (Harrison, N.J.)
Just wondering did PDA play today and how did they make out?
@ 6:48 PMI'm not trying to be rude but why do you care if they played today or not?
I always hated people who answer a question with another question.
NJ Wildcats Averbuch loses to NJ Rush Blue 4-2
PDA played Bucks, so I assume they won easy.
Any PA State Cup games today? Still can't believe the Wild Bunch lost to the Rush. Wildcats must have been missing some key players today.
You mean Rec Cup?
No we we weren't missing players. We take our losses and move on. NJ Rush was better.
11:37 talking some truth. NJ Rush is and always will be a great team. I am sure home field for Rush helped today. Something is wrong because looks like Wild Bunch have given up about 15 goals this season in their last 5 games. Maybe they are trying something different with defense or moving players around. Everything changes in about 3 months anyway with birth years. We will see where all of these teams fall out when we meet in November in showcases. I am positive many of these teams will be different. Many teams still do not know what they are going to do. This spring is sort of tune up for November when you think about it and the showcase season. And most teams will have 5-10 new players.
NJ Rush Blue is a big strong team that is tough to play. It looks like they gave Ajax all they could handle this week in SC (0-1)and have some nice wins at U14. They play out of different locations, what do you mean home field advantage?
Daughter not still on that team.
If they would combine the NJ State Cup with the PA State Cup and make it all one event, then it would a true REC CUP.
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