Is that your comeback to 3% of all the teams nationally u15-u18 send a crazy amount of kids to D1 schools?Oh yeah the data is flawed and not everyone can afford it and it's a cash grab of course the 3% of teams NATIONALLY sending what was the % again to D1 schools is irrelevant - I guess.
It's but one of six standard comebacks:ECNL is expensive!There are non-ECNL players on current D1 rosters!ECNL does not guarantee a spot on a college roster someday!ECNL clubs roster more than 18!Playing time is limited for non-starters on ECNL teams!Changing teams will make my daughter sad!
Current NJ/PA/NY players in national team pools:U14 (3)-NJ: PDA-PA: PF (formerly of SJEB); FC Bucks-NY: noneU15 (4)-NJ: PDA (x2)-PA: PF (x2)-NY: noneU17 (3)-NJ: PDA-PA: PF (x2)-NY: noneU18 (1)-NJ: none-PA: FC Revolution-NY: noneU20 (2)-NJ: PDA; MF-PA: none-NY: noneU23 (2)-NJ: PDA-PA: none-NY: (Club Team Unknown)So all of you who are keeping track who think your daughter's team is the greatest and your daughter is the greatest on that team and there's no way she isn't national team caliber, spanning 9 years of players there are only 16 girls competing with our national team pools. And for all of you ECNL haters, all but one of those girls comes from an ECNL team. It's where the best of the best play. Please stop putting it down. Whether you think it's over priced or your daughter likes her own teammates too much to leave, it's still the cream of the crop. Deal with it.
How did that U17 team do lately?
Applied Teams TBD – since these tournaments don’t publish their listAnd it’s more of a guessing game.MANHATTAN SC KICK-OFF CLASSIC 2015Morris United STA Spring Invitational 2015NJ Wildcats Spring Kickoff InvitationalMAPS 2015 SPRING CHALLENGE [GIRLS]2015 Jefferson Cup Girls Weekend (U10-U14)New Jersey Cup 2015Match Fit Academy FC Invitational 20152015 PDA SPRING KICKOFFEDP CUP 2015 SPRING [U11-U14]-------------------------------------16th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup5/22/2015-5/25/2015Girls U13DMS Soccer GU13 Academy (NYW)Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue (MD)Bethesda SC Academy 2001 White (MD)Boston breakers Academy GU13 ECNL (MA)Herndon Youth Soccer Hooligans (VA)Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies (NYE)Medford SC Hurricanes (NJ)Smithtown Stars (NYE)Waza FC East 02 Juniors (MI)-------------------------------------ECNL U14 SHOWCASE & JR ECNL EVENT GREER | MAY 9-10, 2015PRE-ECNL U13 DIVISIONEast Meadow Soccer Club Pre-ECNL U13FC Virginia Pre-ECNL U13MatchFit Pre-ECNL U13PDA Pre-ECNL U13Penn Fusion SA Pre-ECNL U13Atlanta Fire Pre-ECNL U13Bethesda SC Pre-ECNL U13Birmingham United Pre-ECNL U13Carolina Elite Soccer Academy Pre-ECNL U13Concord Fire Pre-ECNL U13GSA Pre-ECNL U13Maryland United FC Pre-ECNL U13Mclean Youth Soccer Pre-ECNL U13Ohio Premier Pre-ECNL U13Richmond United Pre-ECNL U13West Florida Flames Pre-ECNL U13Vardar Pre-ECNL U13Ohio Elite SA Pre-ECNL U13
It is the strongest league. It excludes many players.
You tell me, 4:36. Here's what I've found going back a little over a year:u17 vs Korea Republic 7-0 Winu17 vs Korea Republic 4-1 Winu17 vs Japan 2-1 Winu17 vs New Zealand 2-0 Winu17 vs. China 4-0 Winu17 vs. Jamaica 8-0u17 vs Mexico 1-1 (Loss in PKs)u17 vs. Canada 2-0 Winu17 vs. Guatemala 7-0 Winu17 vs. Trinidad & Tobago 8-0 Win
What happened is shortcuts. teaching headers and set plays and first to the ball without demanding skill in passing thinking and and bringing the ball the down and the ability to make your way out of tight spaces with your feet and IQ.This takes too long. easier to teach concept of booting the ball down the field and step to the ball.Teach the skill and IQ first then the headers and first to the ball mentality and set pieces.So many clubs just go right to the second part without taking time on 1st part because they want to win the game so that can brag on these blogs about how good their team is and for the coaches to stroke their own egos and line their own pockets by attracting players to their club because of the early win loss record.Parents say this team must be good after all they win a lot of games and they enter the highest tournaments.Unfortunately ,this is conversation starts at u9 and continue through the youth experience.It will never change until developing difference makers is profitable for the club.The model is all wrong.
Bubble players on ecnl npl should pack up now. Only way your gonna get more minutes is if someone gets injured. Sad but true. Or you will get a email stating during the off season you can come to your trainers special technical training for $250 for six sessions. Its not mandatory but its highly recommended. Why don't you do this great technical training during the season. The season that costs $10000. Can you say pay to play. Lol. But make sure you make the checks out to the trainer personally. Or you can pay cash.
Really 9:08?I think you are off your rocker.Which teams do not team from bottom up? Which teams do NO tech training whatsoever, go right to the set piece simulation and full field scrimmage?You like to watch a team, then imnagine their practice sessions, but the link is not right in your mind.
Every team is working on skills in practice.passing and receiving, 1st touch, moving off the ball, and combination play.How do you practice being first to the ball anyway?I'm sure every coach wants his players to be first to the ball right?that cannot be a negative, but other than encouraging and motivating your players as to its importance, I don't see how you can practice that.And after watching most of the teams on this site, I have yet to see any with a whole lot of intricate set piece plays so I doubt they are spending an inordinate amount of practice time on set pieces.What a ignorant comment.
9:53 Do you know the answer to that question 3% of all clubs nationally pushing what % of their players to D1?All that money must be worth it.
Before you call the 3% flawed again. Just looking at the NJ/NY/PA State CupsECNL teams represent 5% of the teams that are playing for a state cup.I think that's apples to apples.
Day 1 @ the Super Y finalsNorthern Virginia Majestics 0:2Rage SC VA Alliance 0:5 Long Island Rough RidersGold Soccer Academy 0:2 Grand Rapids Crew JuniorsDDYSC Wolves 1:2 Orlando City SCAtlanta Fire United 0:1 WAZA FC EastAnnandale United Majestics FC 2:2 Patriot FC
Can someone pls explain "pre ecnl" to me? Which league do these teams play in now ? What is the point of having that designation in their name ? And do any new teams ever join ecnl or is it always the same ? Thanks.
I saw this post about Greer SC. The list of teams attending are all ECNL teams. Why are there no NON Ecnl teams attending. I am reading many posts about cost for ECNL. These NON Ecnl team seem to do more travel by attending more tournaments. Wouldn't the cost be just a high for these teams?
6:571. Northeast Girls NPL - pre-ECNl flight2. point = team identification3. No new teams - Only NEW players as they are ready to switch -so instead of trying out for ODP and train a few times a year - they made a league for these players to participate in. You can read this board for the pros and cons based on opinions.
8:09 It's a u14 Showcase/ECNL jr event.
GS Points AwardedLooks like my projection @ December 4, 2014 at 4:47 PMwas spot on. The Flight value dropped by 350 from Begining of Seasonto the End.Waiting for New England NPL toaward points.-------------------------------------------NYCSL NPL U11-U14: FALL 201Girls U13 NPLFlight Ranking Value: 6,6504498 NEW YORK SC NPL-01 (NYE)1950 STA NPL-01 (NJ)3440 NJ CRUSH FC NPL-01 (NJ)2776 MANHATTAN SC NPL-01 (NYE) 1543 INTENSE SOCCER ACADEMY NPL-01 (NYE)1286 MASSAPEQUA SOCCER CLUB NPL-01 (NYE)0601 QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE NPL-01 (NYE)0000 NEW YORK RUSH NPL-01 (NYE) -------------------------------------------New NYE Top 10WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTONEAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZNEW YORK SC G01 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '01ISA 01 NPLALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNLMASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIESSACHEM SPEEDMANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDESABA BROOKLYN CITYNew NJ Top 10STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCHPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAXPLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY STORMNJCSA GALAXYMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPTSF ACADEMY 01/02GNJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMINEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUEATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE
0000 NEW YORK RUSH NPL-01 (NYE) Wow, that’s a lot of zeros, do more zeros equal more points?
@12:49Does your team play the way they practice?-Soccer Nut-
After all points awarded for fall leagues GS in NJ should look like this:1) STA2) Storm3) Wildcats4) AJAX5) MF NPL6) MF Pre-ECNL7) Dragons
I wish they would freeze the points for awhile. I keep having to change my order for the number on the foam finger.
That was quick. from Number 1 in the country to number 3 in the state.Got Soccer is not a ranking system.Just keep up the points so you can enter top tourneys with the big boys.
9:08 isn't ignorant at all. Just not making point. How about I try. I don't care what you're doing at practice. There are teams that do exactly what 9:08 said on game day. I'll leave that to you to figure out who.
Does anyone know which teams have been accepted to the champions league??
9:08- and your point is if a team is first to the ball and converts restarts on game day that is somehow a negative.I repeat that was a totally ignorant comment.
Pre-ECNL is a made up name. Not a true part of ECNL. It is only used by the NE.
9:08 and 2:03-also while it is important to practice bringing the ball down and there are times where that is appropriate, if you watch the college game you will see at least 75% of the time air balls are headed not brought down.there just isn't as much time and space at that level.Players at the next level must be able and willing headers. Particularly for defenders at the next level they must be very strong in the air or they will not see the field.
4;39while I agree with you-I thought the post was in response to the article about what's wrong with our teams at the highest level. -Soccer Nut-
4:39 your point is correct, but the percentage of head balls in even much higher in relation to the % of air balls brought down and controlled in th womens college and pro game.I have been to over 100 womens college and pro games and have watched many more than that on TV and I can say without hesitation that the number of air balls brought down and controlled with the chest or thigh is maybe, maybe 3 per game on average at that level, while I have never seen one of those games where there were not at least 40 or more headers.
And i must say, the commentary of 9:08 was not far off in my opinion.-Soccer Nut-Being able to do the brawn without the beauty is a tragedy in my eyes.I once witnessed a team dominate another team and when the score was high enough, they attempted to play keep away. They failed miserably.They couldn't do it.
Yes, and you will not be a defender at the D1 level if you are not aggressive and proficient in the air.Not a chance.
Adults can head the ball until they pass-out, but children should refrain from power-headers, most do not know how to do it correctly anyway, and some that I have seen are truly cringe-worthy. Bringing the ball down, and keeping control is hard to do, but I prefer she does that, for now.
4:56Who said they are mutually exclusive.
That's exactly why many of the D1 women's games are unwatchable. Who wants to watch a brute fest with balls being headed randomly about the field. Watch France, Japan, or Brazil's women play and then get back to me. USWNT moving away from that type of game. Heading comes into play, but nowhere near the amount of import you're putting on it. Yes, executing set pieces is VERY important, but it loses some luster when you spend the rest of the time banging balls up the field and defending, being made to chase by players who play under control and with poise. JMO
From the articleAs big as this country is and for how many kids that are playing – and this isn’t a statement on [U-20s coach] Michelle French or Jill Ellis before that – this is a statement on how in a country so big, with so many kids playing, can we not produce players that have the savvy, like a Vero Boquete, or a Kim Little. When you see some of the best players in the [NWSL] in terms of how they are on the ball and their skills set on the ball, a lot of them are foreigners.Vero-closeupAnd that’s the sophistication – and maybe we have those players and they aren’t getting picked, I don’t know. But it just seems to me that we’re not sophisticated enough at the youth level. When you look at those U-17 and U-20 teams, we don’t have enough game-changers in there.In the past, we’ve been able to get away with just being athletic and strong and fast, because so many of these other countries hadn’t been developing their players. But you’re seeing more sophistication from the Japanese, from teams like the Nigerians, that in the past you weren’t seeing that consistency. As they increase the funding all over the world, that’s going to be the case.Even against a country like North Korea, where they have such a small population. And maybe they didnt have a pacey player that was going to take on and beat the whole team, one of those type of game-changers, there was obviously a comfort on the ball and a sophistication for holding the ball. And the US ended up chasing most of the game.
4:14 Not just NE see belowARSENAL FC - GLENN PRE-ECNLSAN JUAN SC SPIRITS 02 PRE ECNL ST. LOUIS SCOTT GALLAGHER ILLINOIS - PRE-ECNL 01/02SLAMMERS FC G01 PRE-ECNL
NPL team takes over top spot in New JerseyCongratulations, STAThis team was BURIED by this blog 6 months ago.Time to just chill out with the team critiques, folks.
when you don't value GS, it doesn't matter who's on top.STA should probably send out their marketing literature to try and attract their players to their team.It is the biggest joke.Not saying STA is not a good program,just saying stop with the GS nonsense already,
0:37 only nonsense when your team is down the table.Bet you were the same one asking when they were adding in the npl points hoping your team would move back up.You are so predictable.
STA.You are ranked higher than Wildcats. Are you a better team?GS is a joke.
They played the same amount of EVENTS. So why wouldn't they be. They were more successful and didn't have the benefit of getting EDP points 3 times in the same year. If GS was good enough to put Wildcats ahead of Storm then it has to be good enough now that STA is ahead of Wildcats. I am talking in the GS Universe of course.STA EVENTS1 EDP Cup 2014 Fall [U12-U14] 2 National Championship Series u11-u14 3 NYCSL NPL U11-U14: FALL 2014 4 Morris United STA Fall Kick Off 2014 5 EDP LEAGUE FALL 2014 6 2014 PA Classics Mid-Atlantic Cup:7 The Morris Showcase Cup-Girls 8 Match Fit Academy FC Invitational 2014 9 15th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup 10 New Jersey Cup 2014 11 Morris United/ STA Spring Invitational 2014 Girls 12 NYCSL NPL SPRING 2014 NJ Wildcats EVENTS1 Bethesda Tournament-Girls2 2014 WAGS Tournament3 National Championship Series u11-u14 4 2014 Spirit United Kickoff Classic5 EDP LEAGUE FALL 2014 6 Match Fit Academy FC Invitational 2014 7 15th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup8 PDA Spring Kickoff 2014 9 New Jersey Cup 201410 2014 Jefferson Cup Girls Showcase11 EDP LEAGUE SPRING 2014 12 EDP LEAGUE FALL 2013
8:51It's a nick name....are these teams playing in a pre-ECNL league like the NE?
So GS gets the right top 7 teams after the fall season but the order is not what most think is right. So what? It is not a perfect ranking. And let's not sit here and argue who is better based on these points because it is a waste of time. We should argue who is better based on results.
Rankings look good. STA plays a much better game than Wildcats.
5:48 NE(NorthEast) only has a flight with in a league. Most of these other teams are playing NPL and whatever leagues work for them I guess, since I am not that familiar on CA
North Ewst is still interesting to me. Who are they sending to IN? Their top flight Pre-ECNL like most of the other NPLs or their NPL (development) flight?
if STA can honestly say they are better than Wildcats then congrats but i think they would never say that. from other peoples words."Wildcats won a diluted state cup" STA didn't even make it to the finals."wildcats won a EDP league that doesn't have PDA or Matchfit playing in it. STA finished 3rd. not to mention the last 3 times Wildcats have played STA the games weren't even close. thats what Gotsoccer tells me. NJ from the outside looking in looks all screwed up. glad my daughter plays in another state.
Super Y League 2014 FinalsPTS Group A6 Grand Rapids Crew Juniors3 Gold Soccer Academy 1 Patriot FC 1 Annandale United Majestics FC PTs Group B6 Orlando City SC4 Rage SC1 DDYSC Wolves0 Northern Virginia MajesticsPTs Group C4 Long Island Rough Riders4 WAZA FC East 3 Atlanta Fire United0 VA Alliance Grand Rapids (MLS) and Orlando City (MLS, ECNL and Super Y Team) look to have locked up a Semi Spot.PtS Team GD4 LI +54 Rage +24 Waza +13 Gold Soccer -1 3 Atlanta +1Gold Soccer needs to beat Annandale for a shot, Rage needs to Gold Soccer to lose + LI and Atlanta to tie with win vs Orlando City a tie might even be good enough. LI and Waza both tied at the top of Group C with LI and Atlanta winner probably going through while Waza also has a legit chance playing 4th place VA Alliance.
Screwed up? Please elaborate. What is wrong with Jersey?
STA and Wildcats don't let the haters bitter that their own teams are down the table stir up a fight between you two.You are both doing a great job playing at a highly competitive level outside the 2 big names.There will always be those inside and outside the 2 big clubs that will attack you as long as you are competitive without going the usual route.It's like the crabs down in the bottom of the bucket pulling down any crab who gets close to climbing to the top and getting over.
1 (1) So Cal Blues - Baker 2 (3) PDA - 01 Pre-ECNL 3 (6) Legends FC - 01 4 (8) New England FC - Elite 5 (9) Solar Chelsea SC - Red 6 (2) Dallas Sting - 02 Higginbothom 7 (4) East Meadow SC - Hotshotz 8 (7) Washington Premier FC - 01 Black 9 (10) Eagles SC (CA) 10 (5) Jacksonville FC - JFC Storm 01/02 11 (12) Braddock Road YC - Elite 12 (11) Tophat SC - 20 Gold 13 (13) Challenge SC - 02 Red 14 (14) Cincinnati United Premier - Gold 15 (22) FC Virginia - Pre-ECNL 16 (15) Match Fit Academy FC - Pre ECNL 17 (17) FC Dallas - Youth 02 Premier 18 Michigan Hawks - 02 19 San Diego Surf - EGSL Academy 20 (16) Boston Breakers Academy - ECNL 21 (18) Sachem SC (NY) - Speed 22 (19) Real Colorado - National 23 (20) TSC Hurricane - Parker 24 (24) Lake Forest SA - Girls Select 25 (23) La Roca Premier - FD
1:42, what’s with the stupid list? Are you really that insecure that you need to cut and paste a list from another website to justify your existence?
2:23 How come you didn't say anything about my Super Y posts or my NYCSL GS points and GS State ranks and how I got the projection right? But this one you think you know me?Classic.We have many different lists what's wrong with seeing them? Like what else is there to talk about - I'm obviously like you - can't stay away.
Here are you happy I didn't just paste a list this time? What you are now going to say Super Y stinks also because your team (you are a coach) or your kid's team isn't involved.Love the league or Not - It's champion will be the 1st North American champion (because they do have teams from Canada) at this Age Group.Rage SC (PAGS)Long Island Rough Riders (Summer Select)Patriot FC (PAGS)Valkyries FC (Summer Select)SABA NYC (EDP)Parsippany SC (EDP)Super Y League 2014 Finals – UpdateGroup WinnersA: Grand Rapids Crew Juniors B:C:Wildcard:B Standings – Orlando City 6, Rage 4 – Winner today wins group – loser has shot at Wildcard.C Standings – Waza 7, LI 4, Atlanta 3 – Waza wins group if LI and Atlanta tie, LI Win group with a win and Waza is the wildcard. Atlanta Win and Waza wins group and Atlanta alive in wildcard pending OC vs Rage result – OC Win and Atlanta is in a wildcard – Rage win and Atlanta OC will be decided by tie breaker if OC and Rage tie Atlanta in as wildcard.Patriot FC (PAE) has been eliminated.Rage (PAE) still aliveLI (NYE)This LI team is a combination of EM and Albertson players?I read EM is having issues – so does LI become the ECNL club or does EM merge with another club like FSA and SoccerPlus?
Super Y League 2014 Finals – FINAL 41. Grand Rapids Crew Juniors2. Orlando City SC 3. Long Island Rough Riders4. WAZA FC East
As I just finished watching the MLS cup with my daughter, why do players continuously flop waiting for a call. At this age I have seen some girls do this, is this being taught at the clubs, by parents or just our girls watching this on TV from the professional level.
Come on 1:42. Don't rain on 2:43's parade.Let them bask in the glory that is GOT SOCCER.It may change tomorrow before the clubs press release, but at least they had their moment.If you have a conversation with a coach, they will tell you all about the merry go round of GOT Soccer.Thank GOD my kid can be seen without going through this merry go round.
6:44 - We also watched the game - did you happen to catch the Florida - Virginia College cup today?I love the way Virginia plays, Florida plays a nice game as well. I hate flops, but that's just a player trying to give their team an advantage. Just like players that try to get in your head when your playing with words or by pinching or grabbing you. At the higher levels there is not a huge gap between teams everyone is fast so some players look for any advantage.Like I said I am not a fan - but the ref needs to give the yellow when he sees a flop or when they review the games the MLS needs to give yellows and fines after the game to stop the crap.I hate it but I understand it.
7:07 same thing as the Uruguay world cup game. Handball to stop a sure goal to make them take a PK - red card or not if it's a goal its over, handball and they still have a chance - PK was missed and they advance playing a man down.
fyi - I am both 7:07 and 7:10
How can PDA be ranked number 2 and they can't even win a high level tournament? Freaking Joke, these rankings. Please stop putting them up. They are a complete joke. When teams start playing for National Titles, we will then have a better idea of the rankings. JMO
8:15 Which National title?
8:15 One more thing - how do you think rankings work? They look over the body of work 2014 League Play Pre-ECNL Number 12014 Region1 Tournament Runner Up2014 US Club NJ State Runner Up2014 League Play EDP Central Number 12013 NJ NCS State Cup ChampionHow do you compare?
Teams that did not apply for JeffersonCREW JUNIORS ELITEGreater Binghamton FC 01 SELECT NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITEFSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01CFC WEST ORANGETeams that I couldn't identify - they may have applied they may not have.CALVERT CREW WHITENJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZTOPHAT 20 GOLDBRYC 01 ELITECINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLDBOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNLATLETICO FC GIRLS '01YMS BANSHEESMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPLMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLCREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITEALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNLTSF ACADEMY 01/02GPA CREW ACADEMY BLUENJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMIMASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIESMANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE
Teams that applied to a tournament the same day as Jefferson.Using these teams - Your top 8 would be the top flight - so for those that like to rank - I know it's not NJ but it should be fun.Delco makes it easy no guessing who applied just check their site. Manhattan and Jefferson make a big production. FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 FC VIRGINIA UNITED '01 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON WORLD CLASS FC '01 HAMM NPL PDA AJAX PDA DRAGONS PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACKNEW YORK SC G01RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICACFC ARSENAL SKYNJCSA GALAXYHARFORD FC UNITED THUNDERHMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRITCREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH BLACKPIPELINE BLACKPENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNLPENN FUSION SA '01G NPLPA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01SACHEM SPEED1776 UNITED FC XTREMES
My Top FlightBased on list provided:FC Virginia Pre-ECNLPenn Legacy Black (PAGS Champ)Penn Fusion Pre-ECNLSTA (Good GS stats)PDA Dragons (NPL 1st + win vs Ajax)PDA Ajax (Beat NYSC)NYSC 01 (NYCSL NPL 1st)Sachem (Region 1 Champ)Next 8 no particular orderWORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICACFC ARSENAL SKYNJCSA GALAXYHARFORD FC UNITED THUNDERHMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRITCREEKS SOCCER 01/02 KRUSH BLACKPA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01
10:40 making 1 changeWC Charlton in top flight they beat Dragons - so I bump Sachem out
MF has 4 kids who have been with the national teams from U16-U20 over the past 6 months. PDA has at least as many. Virginia had 3 NJ kids play 90 minutes today. ECNL teams need a lot of players, you always have 3-5 kids out and another 3-5 dinged up.
11:24 did you see the game - i thought they were going to tie it late.That rocket didn't miss by much.
Felt bad for the Virginia goalie. I hate seeing girls cry.
"8:15 One more thing - how do you think rankings work? They look over the body of work 2014 League Play Pre-ECNL Number 12014 Region1 Tournament Runner Up2014 US Club NJ State Runner Up2014 League Play EDP Central Number 12013 NJ NCS State Cup ChampionHow do you compare?"Are you kidding me we are ranked very high in the GS rankings.what compares to that!
My Jeff Cup BreakdownsTop bracketFC VAPDA AjaxPenn LegacyPenn FusionCreeksSTAWorld Class CharltonRage ?( #2 in PAE) 2nd BracketFC VA UnitedWorld class NPLPDA DragonsNEw York SC1776Pa classicsHardfordPipelineTo me it seems like a week Jeff Cup. Yes there are strong teams but could be better. No Wildcats?
You do know that is not Creeks 1st team
8:03 you can't make a statement like that without the facts.I said there were Teams that I couldn't identify - they may have applied they may not have.Jefferson keeps their list top secret so they can tweet their results.The world Cup doesn't even keep their team list hidden - I get they want to tweet their flights, but why keep your list top secret? Delco doesn't, MAPS doesn't? If you truly are the number 1 tournament you wouldn't care.Teams that may have applied:CALVERT CREW WHITENJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZTOPHAT 20 GOLDBRYC 01 ELITECINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLDBOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNLATLETICO FC GIRLS '01YMS BANSHEESMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH EAST NPLMATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNLCREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITEALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNLTSF ACADEMY 01/02GPA CREW ACADEMY BLUENJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMIMASSAPEQUA LIL' ROWDIESMANHATTAN SC G01 PRIDE
8:03 I only question 2 of your top flight picks Creek (B team) and Rage? Rage middle of the pack in PAGS and didn't qualify for Super Y Semi-Finals. Not worthy of top flight - 2nd or 3rd for sure depending on team list.Also, PDA Dragons are having a better season than PDA Ajax overall plus NPL. NYSC also needs to be considered based on the list provided for their showing in NYCSL NPL but their FC Stars and WAGS showing tells me they are not ready yet.I'm a big GS guy - but you must truly believe in the rankings.
8:03- STA ranked higher than Wildcats. Ajax beat Wildcats.Agree good to have Wildcats in your bracket. They bring a lot of GS points and don't win games in these big tournaments.
"8:03 you can't make a statement like that without the facts."I made that statement with the facts I have. If those other teams have applied it blows everything up . 8:20 - didnt know that was creeks 2nd team. 8:34 - rage based on #2 PAE ranking.Not sure which PDA was North and South
Dragons would get slaughtered in top flightLets be honest.But they should get their shot at it, I suppose, since others have
8:34, I agree NYSC is not ready, so if your daughter’s team ever plays them I suggest:1. Play all of your 12-18 players, they need the experience.2. Only play with a deep-sweeper, no goalkeeper necessary.3. Actually, you don’t even need 11 players, 7 will suffice.4. Make sure you play keep-away after you score your 10th goal, its more polite.5. Give them words of encouragement after the game, they are good kids, and need your approval.Thank you!
9:37What are you basing your statement on?
9:37 to support 9:50's questionFall 2014Dragons beat Ajax 1-0Dragons tied MF NPL 0-0Dragons tied CFC Aresenal 2-2Dragons lost WC Charlton 0-1All 4 of these teams are solid.There have been no games in the fall that would suggest your claims. You must know something, would you like to share?
9:42Maybe the below looks ready to you?When playing teams in top flights:W1, T1, L4, GF6, GA23, GD -1710/12/2014 TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA) 0-310/11/2014 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD) 3-310/11/2014 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA) 2-18/31/2014 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA) 0-58/30/2014 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ) 0-68/30/2014 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA) 1-5
Super Y Semifinal 1 Long Island Rough Riders2 Grand Rapids Crew Juniors In ProgressWAZA FC East at Orlando City SC
Long Island rough riders and rage sc job well done girls . The competition in Tampa fla was good it's always good to gage your skills against girls from around the country to see were you stand and see what you need work on to better yourself on the pitch . Great experience for these girls .
9:37. NJ teams just happy to make top bracket. Look at the Wildcats, they have been to 3 major tournaments and have 1 win.
12:33,What that list tells me is they are a top-flighted team, win, lose, or draw. But let’s see where they are placed in the spring tournaments, they might not be ready, as you have stated.
1:03 It's the -17 goal Differential in six games that tells me they are not ready. They were given a shot. Wildcats on the other hand Using Bethesda, WAGS & Spirit for Wildcats since you brought them up they have a -2 Goal Differential in 9 games. Both have only 1 win but -2 compared to -17 is a huge difference in my opinion. I said the same thing about 1776 UNITED FC XTREMES. They played Bethesda, Discover and Spirit. They also have 1 win in 9 games with a -6 Goal Differential (the 3-0 win helped them alot). All I am saying is that all 3 have been top flight teams,butonly one has earned the right to continue as a top flight team. Wildcats W1, L1, GD -21776 W1, L5, GD -6NYSC W1, L4, GD -17I'm not saying anything bad about the team, but when you lose 4 games by more than 3 goals -that tells me you are not ready. Just looking at the stats nothing more.Same goes for AJAX - how can AJAX be ahead of Dragons when Dragons won head 2 head and finished ahead of them in the table. Just looking at the stats to either support a point of view or blow it up.
Rage has no chance of top bracket at Jeff Cup. At this point PF better hope they can squeak in there.
preliminary Top flight for new Region One Champions League:1 BRYC #2 VA2 -PWSI #4 Va3 -NJ Wildcats #2 NJ4 -Greater Binghampton #1 WNY5 -1776 United EPA6 - Ukranians EPA7 -South Shore Select #2 Mass8 Loudin #3 team in Virginia9 -victory Express #3 in WPA10 Century V #2 in WPASo much for ECNL and NE_NPL being only place to play moving forward and teams outside that league have nowhere to play and will be left behind.Comparable in level and depth with pre-ecnl and blows away B teams from ECNL clubs in NE-NPL League moving forward.
Where did u get that? I think there are going to be 32 teams in 4 regional leagues.
Yes, but that will be top flight of 12.there will be groups of 8 in 2nd flights as you say.
also said there will be semifinals between top 2 tams in each group of 6 in top flight then a final, with winner getting wildcard to Region 1 tournament and if winner is already state cup champ than it will move down the line to finalist, semifinalist ,etc, but wildcats will come from this league as in the past.Excellent competition and depth in this flight with wildcard to region 1 tournament a nice complement.Well done Region 1!
Is this the Champions League that is replacing the old Region 1 Directors Premier league? Played in that league around 10 years ago and it was very strong. Is it going to be 1 or 2 games in a day? Used to be 2 games per day on a saturday and you had a travel partner and 1 date to host 2 other teams from out of state.It was 4 trips and 1 home date to play 10 very strong teams.then #1 seed vs #4 and #2 vs #3 in semifinals at Kirkwood Del facility over 1 weekend.
Not according to what I have read on reg 1 web site but I hope you are right. There aren't 32 elite teams in reg 1 outside of the ecnl. Much prefer the top 12 play play each other and not be divided up based on geography.
GFA in national finals tomorrow 9am, playing under Valkries but GFA group and head coach. Here they come
2:25Can you for one second take the FC Stars results, and put them to the side, NYSC was not ready for that event, its obvious. Let’s look at the rest of the fall season as a whole, they have a +26 GD in all games, and are in 1st place in NPL, not too shabby. I like their style of soccer, they play possession, and work the ball through the mid-field, to their wings, its a winning strategy, they just need to execute better.
2:56 - " Comparable in level and depth with pre-ecnl"Makes me laugh. that was a joke right?
The Region 1 Champions League divisions have not even been released.
first it was edp and its region 1. they so desperately need to live up to the big girls.
In my opinion, this list (below) is stronger than EDP division this season and would slot between the ECNL and EDP (close to ECNL):1 BRYC #2 VA2 -PWSI #4 Va3 -NJ Wildcats #2 NJ4 -Greater Binghampton #1 WNY5 -1776 United EPA6 - Ukranians EPA7 -South Shore Select #2 Mass8 Loudin #3 team in Virginia9 -victory Express #3 in WPA10 Century V #2 in WPA
4:21 NJ Wildcats, BRYC, PWSI & SS are nice.GB is solid - the EPA teams can not win outside of PALooks Stronger than EDP Central. Good for these teams.So what will Nj Wildcats do? Play NPL, Region1 and EDP? or are they saying see you later to one of the leagues?
would like to see Penn Legacy join this group and prove they can play with the top teams in a league format.
Both will only be 6 tams in EDL Flight this spring so only 5 games.
If 256 is correct, that is an impressive list of teams & will/should be quite competitive. I have seen 9 of those teams, few of them multiple times (the local ones) all are legit top teams. I hope that comes to fruition.
5:00What EPA teams are you talking about. Penn Legacy, YMS, Rage, and HMMS have all won tournaments outside PA this fall. Legacy, Penn Fusion, and PA Classics all won at Jeff Cup last spring with 4 more PAE teams as finalists or semi. Who do you think is incapable of winning and why does it matter where?
3:30NoCan't put aside the NYSC Labor Day weekendYou have struggled vs Crush FC - and they have had a difficult time in first flights this calendar year.
Who hasn’t struggle in top flights, and you’re just being mean not letting us have a Mulligan on Labor day weekend, just mean. Its okay, I forgive you.I have love for everyone, because I am secure in the knowledge that my kid is getting the best training, but let me say that again, THE-BEST-TRAINING.Results vary for all teams, personal progress is the key, and I am over-joyed at my kids abilities, she has a bright future.
4:21 Penn Legacy is playing in the champions league.
Great to hear!They certainly belong in top flight as well.
Looks like its a slow day for stupid, and bitter comments, maybe its the rain?
11:28 And yours has a lot to do with soccer bravo.USL Super Y 2014 Championship WAZA FC East 2:1Grand Rapids Crew Juniors
If you add in Penn Legacy to top flight of new Region 1 Champions League that is a ery impressive list indeed.South Shore Select MassBRYC VaNJ WildcatsPenn Legacy EPAPWSI VaGreater Binghampton WNYKind of puts to rest the argument that you have no choice but to put your child in the long line of A,B, and C Teams and inflated rosters and drive all over your state in the ECNL clubs to play vs elite competition each week.Between Region 1 Champions League and top flights of elite tournaments these teams will see plenty of tough comp week in and week out.Kuddos to USYSA for putting together something to counter the efforts of the ecnl clubs to create a monopoly and force all parents to accept whatever they sell us(inflated rosters, players sitting out games and tournaments,costly travel flying all over the country at 12-14 when no one is yet evaluating the girls just to raise the exposure of their clubs banner) in order to have our child play high level soccer.Refreshing!
12:44 yes looking at recent tournament results and flights there is plenty of comp for our best teams at WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup, FC Delco, Spirit, etc without spending the big bucks to fly to San Diego, Chicago, etc to play many of the same teams and level of competition you see at WAGS Cup Flight, Jeff Cup and these other top tourneys right here in Region 1 area.Totally unnecessary added expense for the families.
I think that looks like a very good league. Makes sense for the best of the non-ECNL clubs to battle each other. Competition to the ECNL can only be a good thing.-An ECNL parent
1:11 - Exactly the point.A monopoly is only good for the clubs who are IN ON IT, NEVER GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS AND PARENTS.HAVING CHOICES AMONG MULTIPLE GOOD OPTIONS IS ALWAYS THE BEST FOR THE PARENTS/(JUST AS IS TRUE FOR THE CONSUMERS IN ANY BUSINESS).
Agreed-Competition is healthy for all and keeps the clubs honest.when the clubs have leverage we see they will take advantage of the parents for more $$$.Once they can convince you that you have no choice but to sign with them and accept their terms, then you need to check your wallet.
yes but this league will also travel and spend big bucks.So you are not getting away from that.And dues is about the same as an ECNL club, so whats so different.Some ecnl clubs take too many girls-see PDA and Matchfit but some stay with 18.If ECNl is the best then i guess this would be the second best option for a league, but every year competition may vary.My understanding is that a couple of these clubs, including Tophat, Calvert and Bryc are being considered for ECNL status. If they eventually go then it just goes to show you that USYS will continue to fight a losing battle against the ECNL and US Club soccer.One more club in NJ-Preferebley down south would be nice.
1:29- not saying Region 1 Champions leaguewon't travel.I am saying non-ecnl teams in region 1 won't travel beyond region 1 area until it is necessary for showcasing the girls-travelling that distance now only showcases the clubs brand at parents expense. if you are correct about all the top clubs joining ecnl eventually,than all of us parents and players alike will lose as having comparable choices give us the leverage to chose. a monopoly only benefits the ecnl clubs and they will continue to take advantage with inflated rosters, unnecessary travel beyond region 1, and the like..As far as Calvert and Tophat, they are not among the teams listed for Region 1 champions League so no effect there.Can you explain how a club like Calvert Crew, which doesn't have teams at this elite level across the board would qualify for ECNL?Hopefully you are not the one making these decisions for ECNL Membership.
I too would be very surprised if Calvert is being considered for ECNL membership as it only has one elite team and the rest of the teams, and the club itself, doesn't have the pedigree ECNL typically looks for.BRYC has the pedigree but because it is so close to two other ECNL clubs (McLean and FC Virginia, and three if you count Bethesda), I don't see them being offered ECNL membership (unless ECNL kicks McLean out, like the McLean boys were kicked out of Development Academy).Tophat would seem a good addition to ECNL, even with the other Atlanta area teams.
1:46.First my child doesn't play on an ECNL team.second : what travel are you referring to. My research shows that all ecnl games are in the region?There is some travel via tournament play but that is the same for region 1 teams if the individual club decides to test themselves against better competition in different states. see florida, see chicago for non ecnl teams. Some teams even venture to SanDiego.Most games for both leagues will be played within the region.Every year clubs petition to join the ECNL- if you could see the list you would be surprised how many clubs in the NJ area are trying to get into the mix.Its not altruistic, it is business, period.One side of their mouth is talking about how ecnl is not needed for the consumption of the parents on the club and with their other side, they are trying to procure fields and the necessary requirements to get into the league.I donot know if Calvert will get in, I only know that they have petition to get in.Would like to hear what clubs in NJ are trying to get in.You would laugh as I am sure their are parents on here talking about why ecnl is not needed because their club told them it wasn't needed, meanwhile, the same club is trying to gain entrance.
Have to laugh at parents , even ecnl parents shilling for ecnl clubs to continue trying to monopolize highest level of competition.Aren't they aware that competition and choices will benefit them as well.I think to some of these parents it is so much about ego and elitism they don't care if they get hustled.
2:07.I am curious , If you are a top 3rd kid on an ECNL team.Where is the hustle?
2:03 I'm going to piggy back on what you said.If a NON-ECNL club is accepted and your kid's team is now ECNL - how many of you leave? Same Coach, just everything else that is ECNL is added. Extra Roster Spots - eventual post season trip to Seattle with Finals in VA
No the travel is not the same.the ecnl clubs at U12 and U13-U14 are travelling to chicago and san diego,etc. at great expense to the parents to play the same Illinois and Ohio teams that were in the WAGS Cup flight and Jeff Cup.How does this benefit the players and parents.It is an unnecessary cost to the families and only the club benefits as they are exposing their brand.when the girls are U15-U16 it is fine especially if the players have interest in schools far from region 1 but not a needed expense at U12-U14.And the point isn't whether other clubs are trying to gain entrance to ecnl.The point being made is that it is a positive for all families and players if there are options like region 1 Champions League presented by USYSA to offer comparable choices to ECNL for us.How does having only 1 league that is stronger than all others yet limits membership in each area to 1 or at most only a few teams and therefore has only limited spots for players a benefit to players and families?How are the players on the B and C teams better off in NE NPL than if they could play in a champions League that was comparable with ecnl in competitive level and balance?Only the clubs involved fear this competitive balance being restored as well as choices for the families of high level young players.
2:12 Only unnecessary travel applies to families of players in top 3rd of roster.But what about the middle and bottom 3rd?That is by far the majority of the team.
2:18I am curious, what ecnl club traveled to Sand Diego, except for a national championship at the u14 age.Furthest travel I can see at this age is chicago for PDA. Nothing since AugustMatchfit and Worldclass have not traveled long distances. This was the first question I asked regarding these organizations. can you give me some specfics because i could not find it in my research.Other major teams( non ecnl ) including teams from NJ will travel. some seem to travel constantly to enter many tournament through out the region and beyond, it just depends what team you play for and whether or not the team decides to test their chops nationally at various tournaments. or regionally.2:18The question I have- Is one or two nice trips to say florida or chicagot better than 10-12 regional tournaments stays, some as far as VA.That one is up for debate.I am not seeing the travel part of your argument, I only understand the large roster argument ,if your kid is not a top player on the team.I am not trying to be Jacka$$ , I am just trying to figure out fact from fiction with regards to arguments For or against.Competition is always good but for this one, I am just worried about placing my daughter on the right team within the right league.
2:18Why do you still care about ECNL you have your R1 Champions League. A league of equal competition as you call it. Enjoy andif you win it then you can deal with the unnecessary travel to WV or is it OK?We can also have players from PDA South and MF NPL join NJ Wildcats and Players from PF can now joing PL. Enjoy the league.
Does someone have an official list of teams in Division 1 of the Champions League or are we still all guessing what teams will be in it? I can;t find anything on the Region 1 website.
Guessing/speculating at this point. Someone put up a list of teams which were really strong/competitive but who knows what final group of teams will end up looking like. ECNL & soccer freako parent. I hope this happens, will be good for all of us.
Yes, the point is it will be good for ALL of us, both within and without ECNL as it will give us multiple choices and create more competition between the clubs and more spots at elite level for more of our players.
Region 1 CHAMPIONS rules say that it must be your main league. No concessions are given off the Region 1 schedule for any other league's game or ANY TOURNAMENT GAME - just for State Cup play96 teams will be accepted (if that many apply)
Region 1 is dinosaur league with no flexibility.I think you will find it very difficult to work around your tourney schedule.
Might very well be why some teams have not applied to some tournaments.Region 1 knows the weekends of the big events, so could schedule around them.Its only 7 games (Saturdays) over 2 1/2 months....
speaking of us club soccer.Has anyones daughter been chosen to try out and then make the cut?Teams that have girls representing them.I would be curious to find out.
This is a new Region 1 champions League and home and away games will be given to teams who will then set up their days and times within the allotted time frame to play the games.amazing to see how fearful some are of this new league and the opportunities it will bring.Who has anything to fear I wonder?
I thought you said previously on this site that ECNL league allowed no flexibility and that is why the pre-ecnl teams didn't play state cup?
who?The parents don't give a hoot. they are so ingrained in their ECNL that they are hoping other talented girls stay region 1.So if not them then who?Sounds like wishful thinking about a league that is trying to recurrent themselves because the older teams are moving away from region 1.You need to look beyond u13. sounds like your first time to the party.
Come on now! There are constant changes and new options coming along every few years, just as ECNL is a concept that came along only in the last few years.ECNL wasn't the first "new league" and it sure won't be the last.To call a new region !champions League a dinosaur is a bit disingenuous.After all there are just as many strong teams outside of ecnl in region 1 as there are inside ecnl, and providing an option for them to band together to make their own topflight league is only logical.Plus for USYSA is gives them a chance to keep market share among the strong teams and clubs outside of ecnl.There is a new Region 1 Director and staff in place and they seem to be on the ball and are being proactive. This isgood for everyone and all the strong non-ecnl's should to sign on.
9:17 I agree - For me it has always been ECNL, NPL, National League Region1 and Super Y. All Region1 did was re-brand their Premier/Colonial/Northeast leagues into a D1/D2 pro/rel system.PS. Also a fan of EDP - EDP had a chance to put a strangle hold on Region1 leagues and still might if they play their cards right.Since, it's winter and slow, i will annoy everyone with updates to the Spring majors. Like I said Jefferson, PDA and Manhattan hold out their list while Delco, NJ Cup and EDP normlly don't as of today.Below are the APPLIED teams with GS National rank # for the tournaments that don't hide their Applied lists.------------------------------------16th Annual FC DELCO Players Cup5/22/2015-5/25/2015Teams Applied36 Boston Breakers Academy GU13 ECNL (MA)40 NJCSA GALAXY (NJ)88 Pipeline Soccer Club Black (MD)92 Massapequa Soccer Club Lil' Rowdies (NYE)126 Waza FC East 02 Juniors (MI) - Super Y Champs???140 Smithtown Stars (NYE)150 Medford SC Hurricanes (NJ)242 Bethesda SC Academy 2001 Blue (MD)401 DMS Soccer GU13 Academy (NYW)702 Bethesda SC Academy 2001 White (MD)1299 Herndon Youth Soccer Hooligans (VA)------------------------------------ECNL U14 SHOWCASE & JR ECNL EVENT GREER | MAY 9-10, 2015PRE-ECNL U13 DIVISION4 FC Virginia Pre-ECNL U1313 East Meadow Soccer Club Pre-ECNL U1330 PDA Pre-ECNL U1366 Penn Fusion SA Pre-ECNL U13133 MatchFit Pre-ECNL U13181 Maryland United FC Pre-ECNL U13242 Bethesda SC Pre-ECNL U13249 GSA Pre-ECNL U13312 West Florida Flames Pre-ECNL U13332 Mclean Youth Soccer Pre-ECNL U13348 Carolina Elite Soccer Academy Pre-ECNL U13639 Atlanta Fire Pre-ECNL U13407 Concord Fire Pre-ECNL U13411 Vardar Pre-ECNL U13428 Ohio Premier Pre-ECNL U13672 Ohio Elite SA Pre-ECNL U13820 Richmond United Pre-ECNL U131167 Birmingham United Pre-ECNL U13-----------------------------------
9:26 I believe it is more than rebranding the old Region 1 Directors Premier league and the Colonial leagues..I think the new management at Region 1 recognizes they have to be more flexible this time and adjust to the realities that they are no longer the only game in town.Maybe if they can get out in front of that they can make it work as ECNL is now showing some of the same signs of self importance and "we are the only game in town" that allowed US Club to make their move in the first place.It will be interested to see how this plays out as always.If the parents can only get smart enough to realize we hold all the cards because we control where we spend our $$$ then we can demand a reasonable system for our kids.Maybe the bloated roster scam will finally be the final straw and wake us up rather than accept that nonsense at the expense of our children.
There will always be a big market for lower cost soccer alternatives to some of these super expensive clubs and leagues. It is much too fun a sport to be dissuaded by cost.
9:53Well said!We do control the dollars and a bloated roster is not good for the development of our kids.Any team that carries more than 18, when they have a second team to bring kids up to the big team when kids are hurt or when kids have earned the right, is nothing more than more dollars in the pocket of the club. But I blame the parents for this new phenomenon in Youth soccer. Remember not all ECNL teams do this but certainly enough do it to make it an issue. For the the most part it is directives from the club that impose a 22-26 person roster. The coaches do not necessarily want the headaches of telling a talented young girl that she has to sit out this week. You will hear nonsense about every practice is a battle and girls will compete hard knowing that their spot is in jeopardy. This is propaganda. Simply sitting a player on a roster of 18 is all the motivation my daughter would need to get moving or get going to another team.If you were to remove the financial benefit that these clubs derive from carrying 22-26 players, you would quickly see a new movement back to an 18 player roster.I don't fault the club, its a business, I fault the parent, that has to be the one to tell their daughter, that they have to stay home this weekend.They put themselves in this spot.Your daughter will not reach her full capacity, playing 25 minutes a game no matter how competitive the practices are.Remember you have one shot at watching your daughter grow up and play soccer, wouldn't you rather see her on the field for 65 minutes rather than 25 minutes at a time.-Soccer Nut-
9:53 I agree with you on a bunch of things - but one. The parents do hold the keys and the parents have spoken on which direction they want bring their kids. I come on this board to talk soccer at this age -I don't care if it's ECNL or some other league as long as it's this age. My kid is in a great place and she has improved a lot over the past 2 seasons. If I see the results - i don't care if they want to make a buck or 2. If I didn't like what i saw we could always leave no strings.
Soccer nut 10:48 aka your friendly neighborhood GS guy - I wouldn't bring my kid to a big club if all i cared about were minutes. Extra minutes don't make your kid better. Her team 15 or 26 players (roster size doesn't matter tome) combined with good training, being able to make them more technical and explaining tactics is all I can ask for - the rest is on her. If she improves what's to complain about (she's not the star) she willplay college soccerone way or the the other (scholarship or not) if she doesn't then the money isn't worth it and it's time to leave
soccer nut - I'm not calling you 10:48 and friendly neighborhood GS guy - that would be me. Sorry.
GS guy You are mistaken if you think you can't have both. There is no magic bullet with regards to these ECnl clubs if your daughter is a quality player she can have great coaching and significant playing time. I know of a few girls who were number 16-20 on one Ecnl team that went to another ECNl team and became ID players at u14 and u15 level. The difference was a chance to play and a coach with a different view point. -Soccer Nut-
I agree -but my point is if the kid is improving every year and they are 16-20 why would you move them?I do agree with you minutes are very important. But if the kid is improving in their current environment why would you disrupt that and trust a coach you are not familiar with - the wrong coach can kill confidence regardless of their resume, do you not agree?
11:38 that may be your personal family situation, but let's be honest, I have heard too many stories of parents who are at a loss of what to do because their child is leaving the field crying and distraught in the car after games and tournaments because she didn't play/didn't dress/ played very little and they are afraid to leave because it's ECNL Team/club and they are convinced a non-ecnl option will not prepare or showcase her.As other comparable options arise(as they always do in a competitive market, just as ECNL option came along , so will others) these parents and their players will be more at ease leaving a situation that is not healthy or positive for their daughters development.Maybe playing little and sometimes not even dressing for events/games /tournamentsIs OK by your daughter(if you are not posing as a parent), then she is the exception I think, most kids are not thriving and are dealing with confidence and self esteem issues in the situation you describe.there are other places where your daughter can develop and improve while still dressing and playing every game and gaining in confidence and self-esteem/self worth and game experience.
Because if they are quality ' they can have it all. If you do your research on the coaches and team inside or outside the ECNL you will be surprised at some of the quality that is around. The bottom line for me is that my daughter who is still a little girl will never be told by me that she has to stay home this weekend Or that she is only getting 25 minutes a game. Not when she can play for another quality team inside or outside the EcNl and contribute significantly in beating the team that gave her little playing time. You must remember that clubs are building teams not players. Player development is a byproduct of the coach building his team. Sometimes a great player simply doesn't fit into one coaches system and her playing time and development can suffer because of it. If your daughter is a quality player find a place where both the technical work and playing time is provided. -Soccer Nut-
10:56 and 11:38 putting out more propaganda by ecnl administration as soccer-Nut so accurately describes it in his 10:39 post.Hey 10:56 and 11:38 answering your question, how about your child is not a racehorse. What about factoring in her having a positive experience as well as developing her skills.What good is a partial soccer scholarship if she is back home by October of her freshmen year because she is not well adjusted/self assured enough to handle the stress of college life along with the demands of being a D1 athlete and being away from home for the first time.Wouldn't be surprised if some of these young girls have anxiety issues by the time they go off to college because of the way some of the parents treat them like performers with only the performance considered.Is that our main responsibility as parents.So sad that it is often about the ego of the parent and what they failed to achieve as athletes themselves in their youth.
11:51 just speaking in general terms players 16-20 were brought up. So i'm speaking in regards to 16-20.If the kid is unhappy you leave - I would for sure. But what if the kid is okay and is improving I would stay?Just because a new league pops up doesn't mean that's an opportunity. That's an opportunity for more clubs/teams to join - if they do then yes more opportunities to showcase and I agree different coaches can view a player in different ways. But what happens if teams don't join?
Wow- 2 very provocative posts!It seems that the worm is finally turning on this site and it is no longer the domain of the simpletons and miserable stone throwers.
12:01 I don't know what you are, but I repeat soccer Nut's 10:39AM post is spot on in my opinion.
12:11pm all the way back when you were #2 you were outed as a PDA parent/staff, that has not changed in all your subsequent manifestations. Or should we say infestations.Better hope you can keep fooling them.
12:04pm- but they ARE joining.It looks like most of the teams that can compete at the highest level and are not currently ECNL clubs are signing up for the new Region 1 Champions League.why wouldn't they?It is the same reason your club signed on to be an ecnl club.Joining with other strong clubs/tams to have top level comp week in and week out in league play.
12:16 How come you didn't say that when I was sticking up Super Y and defending Rage PA? Hmmm? Looks like the only person I'm fooling is you pal - Don't forget I was also EM guy a few days ago. But you can call me Shill, forget EAG12:19 So is this now an apples to apples compare when when we talk D1 scholarships. We can just keep it to NJ/PA/NY/MA that 10 Clubs we can compare them to R1 Champions league now. ~Shill
I really don't understand all the name calling, it gets in the way of proper discourse.-Soccer Nut-GS guy brings a perspective that is valuable- His discussions are very reasonable.This is my second time around. I am neither for or against the ECNL. As a matter of fact my older daughter played for an ECNL team.My younger daughter does not and she is more talented than my older daughter. But if I thought the right coach and situation presented itself , I would consider what ever was best for her, either outside or inside the ECNL.Quality is dictated by team, coach , system and collection of players-not by league.
12:33 the more teams that can provide a good option at the elite level for our kids the better.there are only so many spots on the few ecnl teams.If region 1 champions league can provide another 12 teams where the comp is tough each week then that provides another 196 slots for our top prospects in region 1 without sitting on bloated rosters or B and C Teams waiting for a call up to ecnl team that most likely will never come.That benefits all of our youth soccer families.The only ones who would argue against this is the ecnl clubs owners and management.
12:55 you forgot the GS Guy/Shill.He will certainly argue against it.
12:57 before I give my opinion - don't we want people to play devil's advocate sometimes. So much fun if we all agree. 12:55 couldn't agree more about more options. It's good to have these options otherwise it would be a 12:57 world where we all agree on everything (nothing wrong with this).But i disagree with you on one thing. You are making the point that these R1 teams are NEW. They are not new and in fact are quality teams. What makes you think that these B & C players would get a crack. Isn't the argument that the r1 teams are equal to ECNL or close.~GS Guy/ShillPS. I'm going back to anonymous better that way -we can concentrate on u13 soccer.
I have been saying this all along "Quality is dictated by team, coach , system and collection of players-not by league."Sticking to the NorthEast Division of ECNL at this age CFC Delco and FC Bucks are two teams that have some room to grow - Albertson has been playing better and with the EM question and what happens to the club could benefit Albertson if the team splits or it could benefit R1 Champions league is they join or it could be none of the above club stays together or merges with another
1:10 I think you misunderstood my post 12:55pm. I never said the teams that would benefit from joining Region 1 Champions League were "New".What I said was the League itself was "New" in response to someone saying it is a dinosaur and inflexible with scheduling,etc..My point was that there is a NEW region 1 director and new staff in place and they seem to have learned that they need to be more flexible now that there is competition out there and I don't think it is fair to assume they won't do so.Never meant to imply that the strong non-ecnl teams were new.
12:55PA guy(s) where you at, I need your help.Would girls on the PA ECNL B & C teams have a shot at significant playing timeon the teams listed Penn Legacy, 1776 & Ukranians.For the NJ posters would girls on the PDA and MF B & C teams make the only team listed the NJ Wildcats and get significant playing time?I'm sure these team have full rosters already if they are about development, or are they about wins and only roster 15 to 16 girls so they get max exposure? All the ECNL teams roster 16+ dress 18 and go for the wins no secrets. So the question is can girls 16+ on ECNL teams and all the Girls on B abd C teams play for New Jersey Wildcats, Penn Legacy, 1776 & Ukranians if travel wasn't an issue? These were the only teams listed. NYE didn't have any.So when you say 196 roster spots? what are we really talking about 5, 10?
BTW- The Region 1 Champions league is new this spring.The old league was the Region 1 Directors Premier league. So new League, new format, new leadership at Region 1.why don't we all give it a chance as if successful our children and families will be the ones to benefit.Clearly more competition will be a positive, as it is also clear that if the status quo continues the ECNL Clubs plan to squeeze us for more and more money for less and less playing time.Only the free market and choices will protect us from greed.That will never change.
4:50 here - follow up question so if we are talking about only a few roster spots where are these girls better off? I know the answer ""Quality is dictated by team, coach, system and collection of players-not" So what if where they are is better in their opinion? We come on here and try to out them as having a motive or assuming they are uninformed?I know I am trying to generalize individual situations and sometimes it just doesn't work.
4:54 I will play along - since you didn't answer my question i will ask another. You want parent to move their kids from teams playing in ECNL/NPL for the chance that the team they are trying out for will make the NEW Champions league? What if they don't? Then you want them to move their kids to a team already playing, what happens if the team is relegated to D2 and then the following year isn't accepted time to move again?Just for the Record all the did was re-brand they took Colonial and Northeast and are now calling it D2, the Premier became D1 and are using Pro/Rel as a selling point. I hope it takes off and someday i would love to see a Youth Lamar Hunt open cup
4:50 not saying that there will be 196 NEW rosters spot on these already talented teams.Am saying that for the players currently playing on these non-ecnl teams and for any that come to fill their open roster spots Region 1 Champions League will provide a comparable league in quality and depth of quality to ANY league out there including ECNL.The proposed top flight listed for Region 1 Champions league would be much stronger and deeper than this falls lineup in EDP, NE-NPL or EDL league will be this fall.there would no longer be a need to fight over the few spots at ECNL teams and those that don't make it would no longer have to sit on bloated rosters or drop to B and C teams or feel they were settling for a lesser level of league competition. I think you really understood just fine and are trying to spin things with your posts to confuse the issue.Simply put, it will level the playing field and create 2 leagues with top level competition across the board and that means many ore of our players will be getting the benefit of that high level of comp each week in league play.
If the league flies this spring and people see it is successful than there will be more options for next fall at the elite level.Have to wonder about the motives of anyone who is throwing stones at this attempt to get another top league off and running?
5:04 No SPIN you said "if region 1 champions league can provide another 12 teams where the comp is tough each week then that provides another 196 slots for our top prospects in region 1 without sitting on bloated rosters or B and C Teams"Back to my Point 1 NJ team and 3 PA teams, I understand it's pro/rel so are you telling me that NYE, MA, CT, NYW, VA, MD, DE, RI and NH can't take a spot in D1 and that it will become full of NJ, NYE and PA teams.NO spin - but with Pro/Rel there is no guarantee that the team stays at that level. With ECNL and NPL there is.
5:08 Okay you win I agree with you, there you happy. I hope the league takes off and expands to 32 teams.PS. I like the Pro/Rel idea
the proposed top flight of Region 1 League certainly stronger than this falls EDP or NE-NPL flights or what EDL will offer this spring.No question that any of the teams who play in those leagues would be more challenged in the proposed Region 1 Champions League week in and week out.All the splitting of strong teams between EDP, ECNL, NE-NPL, EDL only serves the businesses of these leagues as they cut up more and more $$$.Getting many of the strong teams into 1 league as Region 1 League is proposing will benefit the players and teams and eliminate travelling long distances to play one sided games that are non-competitive.As parents we all see this and I hope know this splitting into many separate leagues/divisions is not conducive to the most competitive situation for our players and teams and we have a chance to change it here.
5:08 I think we know who has the motives. List appears, trying to sell league hard - doesn't like talking if some has a different opinion and if they do they are accused of throwing stones & spinning because they have a motive. Well played.
5:11 Are you serious? -If it takes off and more very strong teams join in future seasons than the top flight will EXPAND beyond the original 12 teams. They will not have to drop strong teams if more join down the road.More strong teams will only make it better and the travel less demanding.For example, more strong teams joining in future seasons will allow Region 1 to make it more central geographically in each division, so they may have say 4 divisions of 6 or 8 teams each with each of the 4 division consisting of teams from say 2 or 3 adjoining states so as to reduce travel, then the top 2 of each division will make a postseason playoff in a central location over 1 weekend at seasons end to determine the overall champion and wildcard to Region 1 tournament. So let's day the central division may have 2 teams each from NY, EPA and NJ for instance, another south division may have 3 teams each from Maryland and Virginia, a north division will have the Mass and Conn and WNY Teams,etc.Again I find it hard to believe you are doing anything but trying to confuse the issue.
Yes, only non-competitive teams will be relegated.And that is how it can be kept competitive across the board.But I agree if it grows and more strong teams come on board in any age group they will continue to expand the top flight into more divisions and make the travel less.Only makes sense.
Finding it hard to understand why any soccer parent would have a problem with what this league is proposing.How would a league bringing together all these good teams that are currently spread out with 2 or 3 playing in each league a negative for the players and teams.
Anything that improves the quality and competitive balance of the leagues and of the league games week in and week out is a positive.After all we are already travelling anyway.
Region 1 league goes spring/fall rather than fall/springIt is 32 teams in each FLIGHT, so yes, 4 divisions of 8 in the top tier.Then 32 second and 32 third division teams.Not sure where you get the number 12 from
Yes, spring /fall.But I think you may be surprised when the flights some out.
Next year wildcats will compete with Pda and MF b and c teams.... all those teams should be good competition.
Region Champ League's div and flights should be released in the next few days
9:55 may be right - in that for this initial season they may not have gotten the desired 96 teams. (May not be 32 in top flight, divided 4 ways)We'll see - I hope you are right - that we hear something soon.
Since my daughter's team will be in it, I'm looking forward to seeing the teams in the new Champions League. However, I hope they don't try to force 32 teams into the top flight as realistically there are not 32 non-ECNL teams at that level in the region. Region 1 will have to dip pretty far into the pool to reach 32 teams, resulting in more blowouts and lack of challenges for top teams. If they do 12 top teams like was suggested on this board earlier, that would be much better.
There will NOT be 32 teams in top flight.the Top FLight will be very competitive for the top teams in the Region.
@2:21pm - The 20-23 roster players are the girls selected from the all the teams in each PDA's age group. ECNL teams are created from the selected players from those teams. (i.e. U14 PDA girls have 3 teams - Splash, Madrid, Hornet from those 3 teams the players are selected for the ECNL team. So pretty much they are roster with PDA but can are playing for both teams. Girls will always have the opportunity to be selected.
If the ECNL Teams are selected from the 3 teams at that age group in the club, then why the need to have rosters larger than the allowed 18 for each team?Why not bring up a player from the B or C Team to play with the ECNL Team if there are a few injured players unavailable on the ECNL Team for a certain event?Do we really need extra players sitting out games on each of the 3 teams because they each have rosters above the allowed 18?Aren't the B and C Team players supposed to be working to get that shot to play with the ECNL Team at some point? wouldn't it be rfair to give them that opportunity when there is an injury to a player on the ECNL Team.Roster movement is certainly allowed between the teams from the same club.
But players can listed on rosters for two teams, correct? If so, maybe the teams are simply using the larger roster space to list all those players who could conceivably play up or practice up often. If a player is getting good B team minutes, and just a few A team minutes, what is the problem with rostering them on both teams?
The reason for the large roster is to assure they field and give enough opportunities to other girls. Not every girl selected on a ECNL roster can make it every tournament or other sessions. Other obligations come into play like other sports, injuries, school. It's PDA and Match Fit's model, not all ECNL/NPL clubs follow this model though. ECNL discussion shouldn't even be around this blog, wait until U14 and when your daughter decides she want to play collegiately. At 11/12 majority of girls do not know what yet.
So....one says Champions League will allow teams to schedule their own games, home and awayOther says league will set up the games - and we assume they will schedule around a select number of tournamentsI guess we'll see. The website seems to say it will be more rigid
I think region 1 champions league is a farce, and a desperate attempt to find a home for misfit teams, enjoy your 3rd rate experience.
Let's not punish the new Championship League. They are trying to assemble the top Non-ECNL teams from each state. Sounds like a decent idea. However, NPL is attempting to do the same. In NJ, 3 of the top 5 teams, PDA North and South and MF NPL will not be in that league as those teams will stay with their club in NPL. That will leave the Wildcats and STA to join the Championship league if they chose. Kind of like EDP?
Except that South Shore Select MassGreater Binghampton WNYPenn Legacy EPABRYC VaPWSI VA1776 EPAUkranians EPAall of whom are NOT playing in EDP will be playing in region 1 Champuions League.That along with some other strong teams will make the top flight much stronger than EDP or NE-NPL.Who will be playing in the 3rd rate league as you call it this spring?Maybe NE-NPL, a league made up of ecnl club B Teams when all is said and done.
12:16 that would be fine if it wre true.Problem is very few of the B Team players are getting brought up and the extra players on the pre-ecnl roster are not paying at all with B and C Teams.And there are extra players above 18 on all the rosters of all 3 teams, not just the A Team.
You should probably cite a source on that allegation, 2:14.
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