And why throw out the baby with the bathwater? Use what is well done and useful and leave the rest behind.
this make s me so mad too, I really hate the ecnl and these coaches have no idea what they are talking about. They are minions too. I hate, hate, hate. My daughter will go to another school, these coaches are horrible people. And if PDA get the da, then I will have another excuse to hate them.
relax. ECNL, DA, ...it affects a small number of players and it sounds like six of one or half dozen of another. One copies the other and then the other copies back, round and round.
1:04 I agree with a lot of what you said, except for where you stated that "ECNL has hurt ODP". In reality, ODP has hurt itself more than any outside venue. Extremely poor communication from officials to parents and the decision to take more players, with the sole reason being not to turn away dollars is what has really hurt a once great product.
Honestly- the ECNL is a whos - who of women's soccer. US Soccer would be very foolish to completely ignore them.How can you say these coaches have no idea what their talking about? You may hate these coaches and hate the ECNL... but I'm sure you are going to hate the DA too. The top ECNL coaches will just move over to the DA teams. There are only so many A and B licensed coaches. There is jealousy, ignorance, and downright stupidity on the board.
I don't think that dude was being serious.Hey 113 are you attending the U.S. Training centers? 80 percent are ecnl kids.
If you are so in the know 131, why don't know whether us soccer will or will not ignore them?
Is that part of the issue 136?
No, anyone can be recommended, but they better be good enough or the coach will lose credibility going forward. I think the ecnl clubs could send more kids, the ones that don't last are always from other leagues.
What should be the ultimate sport of the masses is becoming this precious, rarefied country club at the competitive levels.
It makes no sense to have ECNL and DA for girls. Both organizations have the same program. It sounds like US Soccer wants elite girls in the DA so ECNL will be watered down or cease to exist all together.
ECNL claims to be focused on college. DA claims to be focused on professional athletes. These are very different goals.
correct 2:09because DA has only had boys so far...how many girls do you know going pro without college?
I do not claim to know where they will get their customers. That is just the customer they claim to want.
There are plenty of players for both the DA and ECNL.Perhaps not at the younger ages, but by U15, town teams start disbanding as quality players move on to higher level play.If a DA siphons off 5 of the best ECNL club players, they can easily be replenished by new recruits or NPL players. The ball will keep rolling along, the coaches will still get paid, the quality may drop a little bit, but the process will still work.
Great conversation. Very interesting, it is changing for sure, however we could not find the Olympic qualifier on TV last night, real weird. I know it was streaming, but not on regular TV. Anyway love the remainder of edp open cup and NJ Cup match ups coming up. should be interesting path to regionals via the US club cup this spring. Nice field, great teams. Also edp open cup remains a challenge and the winner of that group will be solid.
most of the boys in DA go to play in college, so I don't think anyone can argue that the DA is not a recruiting tool for colleges. Did any women on the US team not play in college?
235 Are you serious ? EDP Open Cup very weak. The remainder will NOT be "solid" really ?
Gee 1:36 would that happen to be because most of the coaches are related to ECNL in some way or actual ECNL coaches. Certainly not going to cut off your nose to spite your face. You just earned the stupid post of the day.
The point is there will be no reason to have ECNL anymore. As stated if you read between the lines the federation is looking to take over the job of developing and showcasing those players, the DA will be the new ECNL, with only certain clubs qualified, and no pay to play so all are eligible to try out,so there will be no reason to have an exclusive league below the new exclusive league. After the DA all those below will play in the next competitive league which will be based on strength of individual teams, with pro and relagation, not exclusive to certain clubs, the DA will provide that. The ECNL will of course argue against that idea at every turn to keep the $$$ flowing, but they will no longer be necessary. Just the hard truth.
Hate to break it to you but not all of the boy's DA teams are required to be free. Some are very costly if they are not affiliated with an MLS team.
258 you are a moron. My daughter plays for a south jersey club and there are three in the camp and trust me, no ecnl blood here. Maybe if your daughter was any good, her coach would recommend her. Don't blame everything on ecnl, you sound like a baby.
4:38 -But it's got to be someone else's fault, right? Who can I blame for this? ECNL, DA, ODP, USSF, Wall Street tycoons? It's just not possible that my kid isn't good enough.-Bernie Sanders
4:11 even if all the DA clubs are not free, it still replaces ECNL as the exclusive league of clubs. Why would the 2nd tier need to be made up of only certain clubs? The college coaches will be attending the DA events 1st and foremost. the 2nd tier clubs will not have the exposure so why in the world would parents still put up with larger rosters, traveling great distances to play on B and C Teams,etc. and all the scams if it's not even the top level or top exposure?
Here's what I'm getting out of this dialog.ECNL parents: We're the best! We're the best!Non-ECNL parents: Ha ha! The ECNL is done with! Here comes the DA!ECNL parents: Who cares? I'll just move my kid over to the DA. Where she'll be the best again!Non-ECNL parents:
ECNL parent here. My hope is that the ECNL will exist in some form so that there'll be a high level of soccer available that will also allow my daughter to play high school ball. Leave the DA for those whose goal is the WNT. ECNL can remain as a second tier of future college players.Yes, yes. I know that high school ball is considered garbage compared to club ball, but she is looking forward to it, so that means I am looking forward to it.
Not so many non ECNL parents probably even on here. This forum is for over involved, over paying, uber-egotistical, hyer-competitive parents...in other words, ECNL parents (maybe or maybe not soon to be DA parents - same difference)
Everyone who is more involved than me is psychotic. Everyone who is less involved than me is a disinterested parent.Everyone who pays more than me is stupid. Everyone who pays less than me isn't committed.Everyone who has a bigger ego than me is a douche. Everyone who has less ego than me lacks self-confidence.Everyone who is more competitive than me is psychotic. Everyone who is less competitive than me is a disinterested parent.At least the ECNL parents aren't repetitive and boring, 6:12.
8:54No. Because they are already at trainings. Took less than 1 week.
I of course know some nice folks in the ECNL but some of the parents....very arrogant competitive bores indeed...and definitely repetitive...I know what they are going to brag about before they open their mouths.
7:28 Same here. Love the arrogant "sorry your daughter didn't make it post". Have to admit, the practices are much better than my daughter's current team.
Let's be honest, a good ECNL club with good connections will do everything to get a DA. All done...
Can't imagine training with an ecnl team always leads to a positive outcome. What if player shows up and can't hang with the other girls on the team. Instantly written off. Talk about a confidence diminisher prior to tryouts.
Why would it be a a good idea to try out in that situation?
5:49Bravo! Enjoy the ride.
Early tournamentsaw the Manhattan listHow about MAPS spring challenge and STA - who is attending?
5:12, no different than the Northeast NPL which is probably the best NPL league in the country. Depending on the size of the DA, the ECNL will become somewhat like that. For the DA to reach it's mission, there will have to be enough DA clubs. The Federation and the ECNL are meeting today. Should be more details leaked after that happens.
Is that a happy or hostile meeting?
"Northeast NPL is probably the best NPL League in the country"?What are you smoking? Did you not see how low the teams from NE-NPL were flighted at Jeff Cup? And how terrible their records are when they step outside of that league/cocoon in tournament play.
@2:48 really. So NJCSA number one rank in NJ. SJEB ranked 2 or 3. Pipeline and SAC from MD, again top 5-10, Beachside from CT 6 ranking in CT. So YES, very, very great teams left. I also see Boca playing NJCSA in next round. Did your team lose already is that what it is. I love this field, I love the outside NJ teams involved. The winner will have to fight some great teams to live this single elimination rounds.
12:27 I am not the same poster, but aside from a few games, it's a very strong league. Not sure about the best in the country though. How they were situated at the Jeff Cup doesn't change that for me.Aside from accusing 11:23 of using drugs, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@138My daughter's team played most of the remainder of EDPOpen rounds. The only exception is NJCSA. The rest of the teams my daughter's team has beaten several times. Her team was not entered for this, why is beyond me. My point is, there are no strong teams left. NJCSA should walk away with win. But my daughter's team will be playing NJCSA in future and it will be a good game. We will win.
@1:59. great information. I think it is good field, but not the best. NJCSA should win it, but I don't know about that CT team too well. SJEB have been weak lately. And also not sure about that other MD team, we know Pipeline and they are decent. Boca has beaten NJCSA before in state cup bid last year, shut them out. I also see Barons lost to boca twice. What do you think about Spring us club cup field?
1:45pm again even now that you have dropped from"one of the best leagues in the country" to "still a very strong league" I still can't agree with you. A very strong league compared to what? They are the weakest of the NPL leagues by far if you look at the out of league games of their top teams and that is the reason that Jefferson Cup has flighted their top teams accordingly. If youa re going to make those kinds of statements you have to have something to hang your fat on and NE-NPL just doesn't measure up vs the other NPL Leagues.
"One of the best leagues in the country"??? You said it 6:09, compared to what? Which league in Region One would the teams in the NPL dominate in? Actually the poster was probably making the statement tongue in cheek, couldn't possibly be serious.
12:57 I am not the original poster, but other than the Wildcats who could be 4th, which NPL team would compete for a top spot there?The top 3-4 teams are better than any of the rest. This is my opinion, but i can't think of any non-ECNL team better than their top 3 in that league.All of this is moot in the Fall.
12:27, your frame of reference is obviously just U14. The league covers 5 age groups.
So Ajax, Dragons and MF-NPL are better than any NPL team in NJ, NY,PA,Conn,Mass,MD. Va.,other than Wildcats? Again you are way off in this age group. As far as the U14 year so far I don't think Dragons or MF-NPL would even rank in the top 10 in Region 1 among non-ECNL NPL Teams, much less in the top 4 as you suggest. Both os those teams are very, very weak this year at U14. In fact they will be exposed dat Jeff Cup even in the lower flights they are in as a mere shadow of what they were at U13 year.
In 2014 I believe Both MFA and PDA teams won an NPL championship. If it's a crappy league that would not happen. Original post was off a bit, but the NE NPL is a strong league. Impressive being that it's a league with 100% B teams.
IS the commitment to an NPL team in terms of time, cost and travel the same as an ECNL team or is it less at clubs like PDA and MF? Serious question. I know ECNL would be out of the question but unsure how it compares to the NPL level.
Cost does not matter. Its the feeling that you are a part of something and that maybe someday your daughter could be on the top team. Then there are days where your daughter's team may even beat a good non-ecnl team and give you some bragging right. Don't get too excited though, tournament officials will still realize what league your in and put your team in F3 to F5.
NE-NPL competition is horrible this year at U14. MF and PDA NPL teams not nearly the same teams or personel as those teams had at U13 so please stop using U13 results for those teams for any comparison. Using the current year U14 results and tournament flightings show how far those 3 have fallen compared to NPL teams outside of their league.
First of all why are the teams different from last year? Also, what have the teams done this fall to not get higher seedlings? GS can't tell the story because these teams were never highly ranked.
And yet they were clearly top 5 teams at the end of last year.
NPL costs are generally less but it depends on the club.Travel is the difference. STA has one of their teams in CA this weekend I believe. Those trips get very expensive.
Is a trip to California clear before you commit? Must you go on such a trip if you commit to the team cause that is just not an option.
12:01 - You haven't seen any of them play. The top 3 are clearly as good or better than any NPL team in the area.If you have seen them, then your opinion would be different.I know these are all opinions, but you should see the teams play before you say anything of substance.
Clearly top 5 last year? Against what teams or league is that based upon? Looks like the self substantiated hype got caught by a dose of reality. Totally respect the girls that play on the NPL teams and the work they put in, but unrealistic parents take away from what is a good thing.
Not sure what you mean by cost does not matter. I suspect it matters to the club. Do I just show up with my little soccer budget, hand it over and say there you go? Pretty sure they would send me on my way!
Well first off the MF-NPL Team is completely different from the NPL Team at U13 as the parents from that NPL team last year stated many times on this blog 9 or 10 of the best players from last years NPL Team combined with the best players from last years pre ECNL U13 team to form the current U14 ECNL Team, so how can you claim any credit from what that NPL team accomplished at U13 as pretty much the entire starting team moved on.
I have seen them play and I have seen them at training and they are not the same team.Please accomplish something with your new group and stop trying to live off last years teams accomplishments.
Congrats to FC VIRGINIA UNITED PREMIER ABGC NPL '01 for defending their NPL title and earning a trip to Colorado. They join De Anza Force ECNL from the Nor Cal NPL and Omaha Elite Girls Academy MAROON 01/02 who also defended theirMidwest Developmental NPL league as the first three teams to qualify.
Which FCV team is that? FCV United Elite or FCV Asburn Heat?
I dont know but why are they not playing a spring NPL slate?
2:56, Seems like sccording to records those 2 NPL teams beat every other non ECNL team in NJ. Clearly they were top 5. But what happened?
11:28 Every other NPL team in NJ? So your simply talking about top five in NJ? Sorry, I misunderstood the original post. So let me get this straight. The ECNL "A" teams go to San Diego and the top ECNL "B" team goes to Colorado?
So who is this FCU team that beat-up the #1 ranked team in NJ yesterday??? NJCSA Elite seemed like the favorite going into the final.P.S. They also best Ajax 3-1, where is this team from??
LOL parents defending their kids U13 legacy. I understand you are proud, and your kids are good players, but do you really feel the need to do that here?What's the plan for next year?
Pick up team. Girls are from few different teams
Who is living on U-13 laurels? From what I see the 3 NPL team from MF and PDA are still the better non -ECNL teams in NJ. Both in quality of play and training. Let's not have Got Soccer points cloud your vision.
FCU is made up of girls from NJElite.
10:27 That's a funny post. So basically your saying that three crappy teams similar to the one that got smoked 5-0 Bethesda, is better than these other crappy teams? Your "B" and "C" teams are just that, only difference is your willing to pay a lot of dollars so you can mentally process that your kid may not be good enough. But look at the bright side, there may be a couple days where the "A" team coach pretends he's interested in a couple of the players on your daughter's team. Most likely right before tryouts.
5 1776 UNITED FC XTREME 0 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAXand how did that mighty 1776 team do vs GRAND RAPIDS CREW JUNIORS 02 PREMIER GOLD (MI) what was it 1:4 -I think PAC had a better showing wait that was 0:5. Oh yeah my bad also U13.5: MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NE NPL U14 0: VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM U14the same VEP that beat NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL (NJ) 3:1 at a Regional event - yeah that's U13 that doesn't count except for FC Frederick from MD and Loudoun from VA, I forgot.Some one explain to me the turnover these teams have?Are you telling me 1776/MJ Wildcats turnover more than 5 players a season? That would be 25% of the roster and that would make a difference anything less is just an excuse same as the ECNL teams saying they are using their complete rostersat non-ecnl events. The girls are playing 11v11 now it'sall the sameunless the roster has a massive turnover
Please don't compare the new U14 MF NPL Team to Wildcats current U14 Team. They are not even in the same class, as the Tournemant Directors have shown by how they flighted those teams.As far as quality of play and training and preparation just look at the level they compete at and the recent improvement and direction of the current teams.
11:44 Third party comparison of individual games at U13 year are not indicative of current makeup and level of play of teams at current U14 year. The point is we have 7 months of results at current U14 year and plenty of games to consider. If a team has added 3 or 4 players that play regularly or start(and or dropped 3 or 4 players) than yes it is a completely different team and different chemisty than it was at U13. That's why last years results are not considered in this years standings in any sport at any level. Teams often make huge strides forward from year to year and not only from the new players added or dropped. It is also due to returning players growing/maturing/improving. Teams also drop precipitously from one year to the next for similar reasons even with only a few personel changes. Again we see this at every sport especially at this age where young players are going through growth spurts and significant physical and mental growth and changes.Only current year results count to rank current teams.
There a pamphlet handed out to both MF and PDA parents when they first join the organization. Page 37 has the official instructions on how to respond to losses and save face. Here are a couple.1. We did not play our best players2. It was a tournament and we don't look to win those (unless your FCV or a Boston team.3. Our coach was trying new formations.4. My daughter was sick and she is the only one that really plays well.5. The non-ecnl team we lost to was using guest players.6. The refs kids play for non-ecnl teams and called everything against us.7. Some of the girls on the team don't like the new girls that actually have skill
12:12 Thanks then explain to me and 11:59 why PAC, FC Frederick, GPS, McLean, Loudoun to name a few are getting special treatment by the tournament directors as their u14 results say they should be in lower flights? None of these teams outside of their league are above .500I call it the way it is and NJ Wildcats are a great example one year they beat all the PDA teams the next they lost to all of them and now they haven't played any of them - I'll continue with this example.As you can see from the below it didn't matter what year these teams played it was a good game. So know you want me to believe that NJ Wildcats are that much better because at u14 it's a different year? PS. your comment on standings i don't buy since none of these teams are in the same league to throw away previous years,watch a game they always bring up previous meetings when teams don't play each other every year.04/06/2014 PDA STORM (NJ) 2-010/26/2013 PDA STORM (NJ) 1-208/24/2014 PDA AJAX (NJ) 1-306/01/2014 PDA AJAX (NJ) 2-004/12/2014 PDA AJAX (NJ) 1-109/15/2013 PDA AJAX (NJ) 1-108/25/2013 PDA AJAX (NJ) 1-010/13/2012 PDA AJAX (NJ) 1-205/04/2015 PDA DRAGONS (NJ) 0-106/15/2014 PDA DRAGONS (NJ) 1-0
They are all equal to me. Tournament director obviously looks at GS points as the guiding factor. No other reason the top 5 GS New Jersey teams are ranked as high as they are.
11:59, just cause Wildcats are able to pull the wool over tournament directors eyes doesn't make them a better team.
17th Annual FC DELCO Players CuporPDA Girls College Showcase Grls U14 InvitationalTo the PDA/MF parents where do you think the college coaches are going to be?The PDA event is an ECNL event that has some top clubs from around the countrythat will bring some of their U14 teams. Just use Jeff Cup and PDA Kickoff to prepare your teams for the ECNL Playoffs/NorthEast NPL playoffs and the Girls Showcase since you will have ECNL teams in your flight all about the showcase you guys will just have an early start.Below are you potential Girls U14 teams at Delco.Albertson Lightning Albertson SC Fury '01 ECNLAlbertson Soccer Club FURY WESTArsenal (PAW)Bayside FC RI Strikers 01/02G-ZimmermanBeadling SC EliteBeadling Soccer Club U14 Girls PremieBethesda SC Force 01BSA Celtic Celtic 01 Girls WhiteCentury V 0102 GoldCFC ArsenalCleveland Futbol Club 01-02 RoyalColumbus Crew SC EliteDC Stoddert Blue Metros 01DMS Socce GU14 AcademyFC Westchester Elite 02 NavyQuickstrike FC Elite NPL 02GPS New York GU14 Lady KnightsHMMS Eagle FC 01 SPIRITISA 01 NPLKirkwood Academy 01/02LaGrange Soccer Club RageLDC United Crew 01-02Massapequa Soccer Club NPL Lil' RowdiesMontgomery Soccer Club Blaze WhiteMount Laurel United FuryNew Jersey Rus 01 Girls BlueNHP Wildcats Lady JaguarsNJ Crush FC TsunamiNJ Crush FC Tsunami 01 NPLNJ Wildcats Averbuch-NPLNJ WILDCATS GALAXYPenn Legacy 01 Black F14Penn United Force '01Penns Forest F.C. RevolutionPipeline SC RedPipeline SC BlackQuickstrike FC Elite 02'age United Soccer Club CometsSeacoast United Elite -CS- 01/02South Shore Select U14 EliteSUSA FC Long Island Alliance g01SUSA FC Long Island G01-02 BlueSUSA FC Long Island United G01Victory Express Premier ~ U14 GirlsVictory Express SC Platinum U14Waza FC East 02 BlackWNY Flash Academy Girls 01/02Yardley Makefield Soccer Banshees
You are making no sense how in the world is gotsoccer points or rankings responsible for Wildcats NPL being in top flight of Bethesda or Jefferson Cup and PDA or MF NPL Teams being flighted much lower.Wildcats NPL are only #5 in NJ, all the NJ teams ranked above them in Gotsoccer, #2 Galaxy, #1 NJCSA Elite, #3 SJEB, and #4 NJ Rush Blue are all flighted lower and have been consistently in top tournaments. Saying Wildcats are flight 1 due to Gottsoccer ranking makes no sense.If you look at the results from these recent tournaments then you see why teams are flighted as they are. Would it make sense to flight Wildcats NPL lower after they reached finals in the recent Bethesda Flight 1? Would it make sense to flight these other NJ teams higher based on their recent tournament results? Or are you saying we should include the results from U11-U13 that you list above to flight current tournaments at U14?
11:59 That is your opinion... In my opinion, I would take MF NPL to win 8 out of 10 games. These 2 teams have never played each other... I have seen them both play good teams and my money is on MF.
Now that's a bold statement! Since you are using past results didn't Wildcats NPL beat them soundly 4-0 last time they played? Even with their Youth National Player Ringer guesting?
3:28 interesting bringing up u13 and not acknowledging they might have a different team these days,only when it favors your side well played.
And not least the gall of claiming their B Team is superior to Wildcats NPL Team while their MF A team, the U14 ECNL Team just played in the same Flight 1 bracket as Wildcats NPL Team at Bethesda 2 months ago and MF ECNL Team failed to advance out of their bracket while Wildcats NPL Team advanced, then after winning their backet they won their semifinal game and advanced to tournament championship game beating both the teams that defeated MF ECNL Team, BRYC Elite and Bethesda ECNL on their way to the finals.
They didn't play their starters in that one. We have been over this how many times?
Oh I forgot about all the tournaments the Wildcats won over the last year. Um....? No that's not it. Oh yeah they won the State Cup this fall. Oh, no they lost to a highly ranked team. Oh no, they must have lost to an ECNL team or a PDA or MF team. Oh no, that's not it. They just do well in tournaments but lose in the finals. Oh no, that's not it either.Smoke and Mirrors. Yeah, that's it.
3:20Averbush wins 7, with 3 ties. I am being generous to Match Fit.
8:48 - Averbush would have to get very lucky to win 3 of 10 - You haven't seen both teams play. But your opinion has the same value as mine. I am being tough on Match Fit when I say they would only win 7 of 10 games.
Why do you say I havent seen them play?
Well actual results are more meaningful then the opinions of your parents and coaches who are a bit biased. Question did MF U14 ECNL Team even score a goal in Flight 1 at Bethesda in November? I know they were shut out 2-0 by Bethesda ECNL and 2-0 by BRYC Elite there, both teams Wildcats beat that weekend, but of course your parents and coaches opinions are more accurate then those recent results when both teams played in the same flight a couple of months ago, LOL.
They may have scored in the 3rd game at Bethesda but not sure. Think they won 1 game 1-0.
Yes MF ECNL had 1 win at Bethesda, they beat the Cleveland FC Team that didn't win a game there.
NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH-NPL11/13/2015Bethesda Premier Cup Girls - Finalist 10/10/20152015 WAGS Tournament - Did Not Place 9/20/2015NJ National Championship Series - Did Not Place 8/22/20152015 Spirit United Kickoff Classic - Did Not PlaceRESULTS:0:5 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)1:3 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 3rd ECNL Metro Division 6th ECNL Northeast Conference1:2 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE) 1st EDP South D1Let's look at the wins:2:1 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE (VA) 3rd CCL (behind Beach FC & FC Frederick)1:0 BETHESDA SC EXPRESS ECNL 01 (MD) 2nd ECNL Ohio Valley Division 4th ECNL Mid-Atlantic Conference3:2 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) 4th ECNL New England Division 7th ECNL Northeast Conference 0:0 CENTURY V 0102 ELITE (PAW) 8th USYSA National League 1:1 TRIANGLE FUTBOL ALLIANCE 01 G (NC) 6th Southern Regional Premier League 8th USYSA National League 2:0 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) 5:0 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA (PAE) 6th EDP South D1
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NE NPL U1411/13/2015Bethesda Premier Cup Girls - Semi-Finals 9/4/2015FC Stars Cup 2015 - Semi-Finals RESULTS:0:3 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA) 3rd ECNL New England Division 5th ECNL Northeast Conference0:0 DAVIDSONVILLE DYNAMITE (MD) 2nd WAGS D11:1 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE) 5th PAGS D15:0 VICTORY EXPRESS SC PLATINUM U14 (PAW)1:0 ALBERTSON FURY '01 ECNL (NYE) 4th ECNL New England Division 7th ECNL Northeast Conference1:0 RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE) 3rd EDP North D1
I'm not a Jersey parent, and not a huge Wildcat fan either. But how can you deny the results they had this fall against teams that are consistently F1? Didn't they beat BRYC at Bethesda? A team that beat PL lost 1-0 to FCV at Wags. Really need to stop looking back at U13 results and living in the past. Size and speed of girls change drastically at this age, along with girls stepping up and suddenly making a larger impact on the team. I hate to give the Cats much credit, but they are a stronger team.
Earliest possible way this is settled is the PDA kickoff.
Question for the blog:Every team has players that do well against weak opponents, but struggle playing the tough ones. What can a coach do for a player where the opposite is true? The player excels against quality, but completely fades into the background when facing the cupcakes.
Sounds like a motivational issue. But would rather have that player than the opposite type frontrunner.
What's the board view: does a team that advances in tournament by winning a shootout actually win the game, or should it be treated as a tie, with the team advancing on a tiebreaker, ie, the PKs?
Wildcats gonna claim shout losses now?
PK winning team advances while loser goes home.No one remembers it was a shootout if winner goes on to win tournament or State Cup/Regional/National Event. If you have ever witnessed a shootout elimination at an event there is definietley a winner and a loser.
11:38, wildcats would be properly seeded at the PDA tournament like last spring. Not in F1. Don't think they would attend a tournament like that especially since their will be no chance for GS points.
Wildcats last attended PDA Spring Tournament at U12, not last year.
BRYC is 3rd place (CCL) similar to YMS - sold CCL is a great league as Beach FC and FC Frederick is 1 & 2 (both in lower flights). You guys talk like the Jeff Cup directors know what they are doing. Mr Not from jersey 10:21 - look at my post @ 9:47 those wins came vs bottom of the table teams - you make it sound like other teams couldn't duplicate what the Wildcats have, MF NPL was my sample both beat Albertson, both had ties vs teams not as strong (Century, TFA, HMMS, Davidson), both lost to ECNL teams, both beat EDP teams, however MF NPL beat Victory Express 5-0 and NJ Wildcats NPL lost 1-3 Regionals. oh yeah u13 but that only counts for FC Frederick, my bad.11:38 I agree with other posters - PDA shot themselves in the foot by taking down the GS points from that event, they will not be a top event at u14 as teams that need GS for placement in events like GPS MA NPL will not come to this event. We can say GS is wrong but when placement depends on it or appears to depend on it.10:48 penalty kicks are used to break ties for the big boys and girls why would it be different for kids to advance a team? 11:01 100% spot on.Tournaments use guest players - I would change my stance if they said only rostered players play then that's a different story - this is why I like league play/state/regional/national events all others are scrimmages and friendlies played for a medal and a pic on the club's website.11:02 which is crazy talk if you look at last year's F2 (thanks for link), on paper a very solid flight they would never show up - much easier to beat upon MD & VA teams asall the PA teams have known for years. They travel to VA, MD and avoid PDA & FC Stars to play some tough NJ,NY,MA,CT,NH teams.Last year -this year will not be as good: A: FC Stars West (MA), World Class (ECNL), South Shore (MA), PDA AjaxB: PDA Dragons, MF (NJX), STA NPL, NYSC NPL
I wish they would go to PK's and eliminate any form of ties in soccer. Americans like to have a winner and a loser, anything else is like kissing your sister (and I don't mean your half sister from Lancaster). It adds an exciting element to the game. By doing this you would also see teams dedicate more time to making sure the keeper gets her work in, not to mention more work on technical side of shooting.
Lancaster, funny.If its good enough for the pros, it good enough for you. In soccer, there are instances were a shootout is required to name an advancing or winning team, end of story, debate, saga...and yes I have one of those half-sisters, to each their own....
12:29 I agree - i think a tie should remain a tie in league play - and an extra 5 minutes x 2 regardless of how many goals to determine a winner when a winner is needed to advance.
1:39, not sold on the extra time concept, keep convincing me....
The reason I like the extra time instead of the golden goal which I hate more than playoffs - is that it rewards the team that is more fit or that is deeper, i don't think subs should be allowed either - you go with 11 for both 5 minute periods so even if you score in the first 10 seconds you still have to play out the full 10 minutes and If still tied then PKS. the Pro game (3 subs only)90 minutes30 minutesPKSYou need to be fit and deep to be a champion or recover quickGirls Tournament Games80 minutes (re-entry)10 minutes (no subs)PKs
Anyone have feedback from the US Soccer-ECNL meeting yesterday? Everyone said there would be a big anouncement but the silence today is deafening.
3:21 I also hate the "Golden goal" rule. Especially when the golden goal can be the result of an arbitrary call in the box by a one eyed referee with glaucoma. But would love to see the second extra time be played with two less players on the field (9v9). Saw this done at a boys tournament and it was pretty frigging exciting.
I like that 3:55
Blasphemous, and heretical talk, 9v9 is so strange, I cannot any further, need to relax.
4:25 That's what they said about getting rid of the neutral zone trap in hockey, the three point line, the 24 second shot clock in basketball and when women first started playing soccer.
What about the former NASL form of shootout, also known as the American style soccer shootout? Each attacker is given five seconds to get the ball in the back of the net starting from 35 yards out. The attacker may dribble in and maneuver and the GK is free to roam and come off the line to challenge.
5:10 sorry, but that's not soccer.This is youth soccer the 9v9 on an11v11 field frees up a ton of space after 80 minutes of soccer will make the world of difference -as i said i like that as long as their is no golden goal.
3:55 here. It did free up a lot of space and both sides had opportunities to score, with keepers saving the day on both sides. Unique thing that each team approached it differently as far as formations. Team that went with just three defenders ended up winning the game. Both teams were tired, so it made for a lot of passing into open space.
About tiebreakers, I went to a definitive source, my daughter, who is a Keeper (I know, so is everyone's daughter), her preference is as follows:1. 5 min periods, reducing side by 2 every period until a victor;2. 5 min periods until a victor;3. Kicks from the mark;4. 1 v. 1 shootout NASL style.Kicks from the mark are like a train wreck. Did you ever notice at a tournament when the kicks go down, everyone flocks to the field to watch the horror?
I heard NJX pulled out of Match Fit, I did not see anything out there on this. Can this be confirmed?
Heard much unhappiness with training and players ready to bolt at both come tryouts. There will be big changes all around this spring.
8:33 Daughter said she would love to play a 5 minute period with two less players on the field (as long as it wasn't her being pulled). Trouble with the concept is that most tournaments schedules are too tight to allow for extra time. Can you imagine the parents going crazy during a PDA/MF game that goes into extra time? How fun would that be?
Not as much fun as watching the EM parents after their defeat in wildwood today.
9:17 just go their website: You are late to the party. All these NJX girls will most likely try out for PDA."Match Fit Academy FC Girls will field birth year teams out of our home base of Morris Catholic High School from 2008 to 1998 (U8 - U19)"
Lol 11:05Pretty sure the EM coaches head was going to explode!!
I think that is the 3rd game in a row that DV Academy has lost to the Maryland team DCFA. The DV team is from LI and has some EM players, but not all, it's a mix of some others. Seems to me that the teams don't line each other too much, lots a pushing and immature stuff from DV, Long Island's best on display for all the world to see, pathetic.
Please don't talk Futsal on the soccer blogs. Start a separate blog for that crap. Futsal is great for practice. Playing all these tournaments is a joke. Ask any college coach their real thoughts on it, at least the ones that aren't cashing in on it. Doesn't translate to outdoor.
8:29I know that you know that we have gone over this, and yet you feel compelled to advertise your ignorance, are you bored today, not enough slush to keep you busy? Your comment reeks of an uneducated, and totally clueless parent, my condolences, to your daughter. My daughter trains with Futsal over the winter, as a supplement to her team practices, and I can tell you that it has improved her foot-skills, and her tactical vision, and its a great tool to help you learn how to get out of a double-team, or crowded space. I am not a huge fan of these tournaments, they are a cash-cow, but my daughter enjoys it, and she stands-out against her teammates at practice, she just does, and I absolutely love that she does.
11:05. you are what's wrong with the sport. it's pathetic that you think it's fun to watch 14 year old girls disappointed because they just lost a big game.we have three of the best futsal teams in the country in our area, and you want to ridicule the teams. the only problem with this weekend's tournament was the big blowouts.if you were there watching the games maybe your daughters team.it looks like you're not smart enough to realize that these teams can beat each other on any given day, this year DCFA is on top of their game. Good for them.let's see if they can win the national championship this year
Thank you 8:29. Great training aid, but who really cares about small sided indoor games? If you want to get the same physical effect without them actually playing futsal, just smack the girls on the knees and ankle with a broomstick every couple days. That should get them ligaments ready for springtime play just like your doing now.
Unless you want pay to go all the way to California this July to play youth futsal, consider yourself lucky you did not advance.
I agree futsal is a great for winter training and just playing it to keep conditioning up as well, but it does not translate to the outdoor field sometimes it actually hurts because the physical aspect of the game is missing in futsal and when a player transition's back from futsal to outdoor you can sometimes see the hesitation on winning 50/50 balls when a much more physical/aggressive player comes at a futsal player. Either way it does have it's benefits as my daughter continues to do it as a offseason training.
someone posted few weeks ago about futsal scholarships at UNC I think, is that true? LOL
There is a new money making gimmick in PA, its called the Philadelphia Futsal Academy. Putting the word "academy" next to the word futsal is an extremely clever way of making parents believe there is something special going on. Futsal has definitely been good for our daughter and fun to watch her team play, especially since she has always been surrounded by good players. Have to say that we have no regrets about holding her out this year, she badly needed the break.
Question ? Your daughter gets an $8000 scholarship to play at a top D1 school. School costs 50+ a year. Do u fork over the rest just for the opportunity? Do u let her take a student loan for the opportunity? Or do u say thanks but no thanks and send her to a state school?
12:32 opportunity?The question is200k education less 32kvs80-100k education at a state schoool?Dude if money is an issue have her go to a CC for 2 years and then transfer you'll save a ton of money and she still graduates from the state schoolor you say F it and spend.
Depends on the school, if your daughter has dreams to continue to play in college and she chooses the school she likes are you as a parent going try your best "Yes". Sorry but we do it now in Youth Soccer why can't deny it at college level also.
That's a tough one. Its is an honor to know your daughter is getting looks from D1's, but is there a possibility of that $8,000 going up to 15,000 or 20,00 the next year? Or will it be a only a one year scholarship deal. Hate to see any kid tagged with that much loan money out before they even start. Colleges do use the bait and switch more than you would think. Many will give as much as $20,000 the first year and offer half that or nothing at all the second year.
How about you emphasize education even more than athletics, and push her to do better in school now so that $8,000 soccer scholarship gets coupled with an equal or greater academic scholarship.
12:32You know there are parents of non athletes that "fork over" that amount for college, right?Decision is the same - pay for a great out of state education at an expensive and prestigious school - or pay less - and maybe not have them attend their first or second choice due to financial constraints
1:48 Of course. I agree whole heartedly but I was curious as to what others would do in this situation. We spend so much time and money on youth soccer to what end? Am i going to pay to play in college because that's what I'm sure a lot of kids end up doing. At some point in time we need to look at the big picture. Private colleges are out of control compared to state schools. I know so many people who wished they never borrowed money for college. Its one thing to spend a couple of grand per year on youth soccer its a whole different game to spend 30-40 thousand on a school to play D1 when chances are you can get a similar education at a state school for 1/3 of the price.Again. just curious as to what others would do. There is no right or wrong answer.
Does not sound like the meeting between the ECNL and US Soccer went very well. Hostile takeover in the works.
Glen Crooks posted something about it on Twitter.
They modeled a league on the boys DA and it tuned out to be a good model. Now US soccer will do their own girl's DA an it does not seem shocking that they were not wiling to just give their model over to another group. IT was always risk the ECNL took. You cannot patent a league structure. If you could, they would have not been able to make the ecnl look the boy's DA anyways. I guess we will see if there is room for both. Seems to be no shortage of willing high level soccer customers.
Again this will be another swing change for the current group of girls in this age group if USA Soccer DA and ECNL do not get along.
4:44 The DA on the boys side is money - we have 2 players on top 10 teams in the WORLD and 1 is just 17 years old and playing. We've had great players before but not at this level. Need to give props to ECNL for the first true ECNL girl she was fabulous last night vs Puerto Rico - not the greatest team but she's also only 16/17. The DA will improve soccer even more - because it has the federation's stamp. All the top players will come over - that's a given just like they did to ECNL. ECNL was nice but now it's D2 and just like all the ECNL players that wouldn't play for NPL same will happen with DA. The only question is which of the ECNL teams will burn their bridge with the USSF? I say none they would be stupid if they didn't apply for DA status. I can see the ECNL going away and the clubs playing NPL as tier two, that's a better platform in my opinion. Each league runs itself with their champions advancing. When do you think we get the news?
Don't see how if affects the age group outside of the kids involved in these programs.
The ECNl is very successful at what they do. No argument there. They also seemingly wanted to be in effect the girls's Da for US soccer. Seems US soccer is not on board with that. It is problematic for us soccer to abdicated their supposed mission and responsibility to another organization.
Look their is going be two scenario's 1. US DA looking for National Pool Players (Cuts out: ODP, NTC, ID2, PDP, etc.) | 2. ECNL looks for College Bound players. Just realistically pick one your daughter wants, if she tries DA but knows in her heart she can't get to the National Pool level but wants to play College she can still you go back to ECNL. Am I saying this in a easy way or is it to hard to comprehend.
Why does it cut out those programs? IF they can continue to get customers they can continue to stay in business.
This DA news is the best news for nj soccer. Boys DA has 4 DA teams including the red bulls which is one of the top teams in the country. I am excited that while PDA will still be a DA it will lose ots stronghold/monopoly on the market. For the 48 girls per age group that make it this will be phenomenal. Now ecnl and npl will battle. This may channge the structure of power within the club ranks. And maybe will clean up the lack of coaching professionalism that our kids have to endure.
Not at PDA but they don't seem to be any danger. Were they not one of the top clubs before ECNL came along?
keep it real for a second - players that moved to an ECNL club moved to that club because they were at the top of the pyramid. PDA is great but players came over because of the ECNL league at the older ages that will stop if they are not DA. This is not a knock on PDA or ECNL just how it is.NJCSA - Boys DAFC Copa - Sky Blue Reserve TeamPDAMatch FitRed Bulls?In NJ you will see the current 50 players on the 2 ECNL teams move around and this opens the door for another 50 players to play at the same level - HOW is this a bad thing? PAPA ClassicsLVUCFC DelcoPennFusionFC BucksIn PA you take the 54 players and add spots for another 46 to play at the same level - In just 2 states you've added 100 players to the pool and I haven't even touched NY, MA, MD, CT & VA how is this a bad thing.1. Top of the Pyramid league playing 30 games2. training 4 x per week3. 10 months out of the year the same as it has been4. travel across the USA5. exposure to WNT staff6. exposure to collegesor1. D2 league playing 30 games2. Can play HS3. Same cost4. exposure to collegesWhich do you pick for your top tier player? Not even a choice.ECNL had it's run and their commish saw this coming that's why she split.Now US CLub needs to pump up it's NPL and let ECNL become like the ASL
Some tweets on the subject - I won't post namesSources say ECNL-USSF meetings lasted ~3 hrs & were heated at times. The fed remains committed to going it alone on new #girlsDA project#USSoccer said coaching behavior was largest concern w. #ECNL - Federation acknowledged it is a minority of coachesHave obtained #ECNL Meeting Summary w/ #USSoccer who "had already determined that any collaboration would not be of assistance"
What do you mean by coaching behavior ?
Since my son played DA on the boys side, I'm going to throw in my two cents worth. Some of this I posted before, so sorry if it seems redundant. I keep seeing some on here speaking as if a club awarded Academy rights will change the fortune of all the players on the club. Academy training is incredible, with game speed being second to none at any age group and there is no doubt that its a direct ticket to some free college money. Although the players on the field are ultra competitive, they manage to still look at each other as teammates and pull for each other during practice and games. They were all extremely well mannered and almost all great students as well.As for the parents, they are also ultra competitive and unlike the players, absolutely do not pull for each other. Who can blame them though, two thirds of the team that was on my sons U15 team, was gone by U17. The point being that although we would like to believe that all these players are great because they've been trained by Academy coaches since U14, they were actually players brought in and originally trained by other clubs (something ECNL has also been accused of).Yes its true, Dortmund signed the young Christian Pulisic from PA Classics. But lets not forget that his dad is also one of the Academy coaches and was instrumental in Christian getting the best instruction possible. Christian also never had the fear of losing his position and trained at the position that best suited "his skill set".What I'm reading on this board and hearing from so many is excitement that really will only affect a select few. When my son tried out for the academy team there where over 70 boys trying out for two spots and my son was lucky enough to be one of two selected. 68 others had to go back to their original teams or find new ones. Not one player from the "elite" team (team below academy) made the academy team that year or the next. If you look at most of the clubs that have Academy teams, you'll find that their secondary teams are not that great. One of the reasons is that players cut for the academy teams would rather move on to another club than accept a move down to the lower team. This was not a post to quash the excitement of the coming DA program, my daughter will be right alongside yours trying out. But to realize that the DA program will bring some of the very same things that we criticize the ECNL for. ECNL will be a step below the actual Academy teams themselves, but they will still be considered an elite league over non-ecnl teams and any secondary teams under the DA flag.
What changes some fortunes in the boys Da is that some of the teams are funded. That will be a very great difference between the boys side and the girls side and the size and quality of the player pools will likely reflect that difference.
7:40 I agree with everything but your hit on the Dortmund player - I think it had a little more to do than his dad playing him where he wanted. Dude he 17 playing with Dortmunds first team anyone could have coached this kid the out come would have been the same.
7:49 we pay nothing changes -the only thing that changes is the payable to DA instead of ECNL club or it may be the same.7:40 There will be more opportunities for players in a DA than ECNL since it will have more clubs from our states. That by itself is a great thing. The players that stick will be the same players that play ECNL currently plus a few of other kids.I just love the drama that it causes - let's say NJCSA becomes an Academy team almost all those players will be replaced at one tryout or let's NJ Wildcats become a DA most of those players will be replaced and the coaches might even be replaced if they don't have the proper license level.
I read a tweet that said the USSF will forgo any DA clubs in NJ, its too complicated there.
Its not complicated. Put out your product and if there is as market for it, you are in business.
The Girls academy will be separate and distinct from the ECNL money train.Us Soccer shows no love to the league and its founders.The encl. is told to get on the train or wave bye-bye from the platform.Money and power- Now you see it-now you don'tSoccer Nut
7:52 You are right about the Pulisic kid. Not only is he playing for Dortmund at a very young age, but I can remember when he was a U17 tournament MVP, and he was only 15. 8:03 Not sure where your getting all these DA teams from? Currently there are three PA east clubs carrying the ECNL banner, where did you read that there would be more than three DA teams per state? I see a lot of people being very disappointed when the DA arrives and they find out that it is a cup of tea not brewed for many. My daughter plays for a non-ecnl team, so would be a huge change in atmosphere for her as well.
If the top girls go to the DA's , it will give more opportunity to others. The ECNL will start to be watered down. The top coaches will also go to the DA's.
The biggest reason that the Federation thinks they can just take the ECNL's lunch money is because there are enough ECNL clubs who also have a boys DA. They have that hammer. We have no details yet, so it's hard to fully judge the merits. We can judge the method, which is playground bully.
Nope -not playground bully at all. USSF realizes that although many things are built through capitalism and money, purity of sport and coaching is not and will not be one of them If your daughter has ever played for an ECNL team, one quickly realizes that the coaches/trainers with some exceptions -are average at best and although the league has been a catch basin for a collection and pooling of talent, the product on the field, although better than it was, is still inferior technically. Money is most certainly the driving force here and not the game itself. Don't get me wrong, I am not so altruistic as to think that all the problems will be solved by the DA but I do know that the ECNL clubs have served its Masters well. And it has done well in preparing its athletes for college ball but it indeeds falls short in providing a platform of technical excellence to our most talented.Soccer Nut
I asked my daughter this morning, if this da Academy comes to fruition would you like to try out.she said yes definitely and seemed excited about it. then I explain no lacrosse, no high school soccer, no futsal. she quickly changed her answer.she is in a good place right now, she's playing well she's on a good team. I can't justify moving her in case it is a better place to be down the road.I personally think you would get more girls trying out from non Ecnl teamssomeone told me the DAage groups or every other year, so will this affect our girls in 2017 or 2018.
The ECNL realizes that they can build a brand that caters to the very good player for college and will be still able to provide a pathway to the Adult national team for the very few exceptional players who decided not to go Academy. When you think about it, this is 99 percent market share. The 1 % will find their way to DA eventually. Both models will co-exist. It does not mean that every ECNL club will say no to the DA if Academy status is offered. Some will certainly jump ship. Those clubs that feel that they can make more money by being an ECNL club will stay status quo. Those clubs that have built their own brand will certainly try to convince parents that staying out of the DA is better for their child. In the end, the ECNL league certainly hopes that the DA stumbles along so that they can continue to make MONEY and maintain their brand of exclusivity.Soccer Nut
Like 9:04 mentioned the DA is every other year. So how many girls do they carry from each year? Do they only field 1 team per age group?
Did match fit lose boys DA? I dont see them on the site any more.
The da won't pull it off and hopefully my kid will be in committed to college by the time they try to get things going. Based on what I'm hearing , maybe in year two or three they begin to have some momentum , but our kids would be to old to even play for them. Imagine having a younger child and going there at 12 to play on a u14 team with 35 players? I wonder what type of play time you will get? At least you get to practice 4 times a week , that sounds like fun for a 12 year old. Let's hope these guys don't try and take over all the other youth sports in America that dominate the world...
yes, Match fit lost their USSDA status. According to MF, they gave it up voluntarily but I'm not convinced of that. I think the reason had to do with providing free soccer, which is what the USSDA wants' but they're not giving clubs money for the program.
Unfortunately the Soccer Nut is correct (again). It comes down to where is there money to be made and even with the DA as a competitor, will there still be money to be made. Do not see ECNL going away or really losing much steam, at least over the next two or three years. Question for you guys. With FC Bucks struggles being so great, even to the point that they had a hard time even fielding a U14 team by the end of last fall. Would they totally lose their ENCL status if LVU did become a DA club? PL Parent
So what happens if your kid goes to all the training centers and is one of the top players, but chooses not to play for the da and stays with ecnl or npl. You would assume they won't like that and she will get cut from their program even though she may be one of the best of the best. Or will they even continue the Tc s ? What about all the girls in states that don't have a da close enough for girls to attend? They have a lot issues to deal with. I'm sure the college coaches are asking questions too and realize it's going to make their jobs even harder, especially after the Byc that effected them too. Next thing they will try is to not allow college soccer.
The DA is good for people like soccer nut and others who believe that socceris more important than any other aspect of a child's youth experience. More so than friends, high school sports, family vacations, summer time fun and maybe even college. Soccer is the most important thing in the world to some right now. I'm pretty sure my kid is really good, but I will never allow the DA to take my kids youth away. I would rather pay for ecnl or npl and let her play multiple sports and enjoy her time being a kid. The 30k she may be able to make playing professional is not a goal worth pursuing, but getting into a good school is and that is the end game for 99 percent. Good luck DA.
Well said 11:16. Enough smug talk about how the girls technical skills are lagging behind the world. So-freaking-what??
What about track? Some of the greatest soccer players in the world also run track. Makes sense if they are that fast and helps them get faster. This is an awesome sport and can also lead to other options for kids if soccer doesn't work out. If the DA takes this away too and a kid gets 4 concussions and can't play physical sports anymore, they still have a college option potentially.
I hate to say it, but now I want ecnl to win out. I think this is over reaching and not playing HS soccer is crap.
To repeat a phrase uttered before:If you care about the sport more than I do then you are fanatic and it means you care about nothing else for your child.If you care about the sport less than I do than you are neglecting your child' soccer education and are not doing right by your kid.You must care the same way I do in order to be consider a normal healthy parent.
Everyone talks about how the DA will take away HS soccer and other sports. The ECNL doeesnt take away HS soccer but does take away every other sport. You have no time to play any other HS sport if you play for ECNL. ECNL practices 3 times a week and plays 2 games a weekend. that is 5 days out of a week.
So what happens to girls who get scholarships to HS to play soccer?
The handwriting is on the wall. ECNL is a dinosaur.Those who will lose major $$$ are in denial on this site but the fact remains if it is no longer exclusive than ECNL makes no sense. Once the DA becomes top of the pyramid all others will be placed in a competitive arena and each team will rise or fall(promote or relegate) besed on merit rather than club affiliation. When ECNL stopped sending their teams to state cup, regionals and nationals and those events started to get watered down and became irrelevant as major events over the last 2 years there was no way they were going to be allowed to overreach like that with no consequences.There is always a day of reckoning for overweaning pride.
ECNL stopped sending their teams to those things because the ECNL events were better quality play and better attended by college coaches.
Let me look at this picture closely and compare - which is working right now. Girls U16,U17,U20,U23 and WNT - have dominated the world and performed great at the biggest stages World Cup, Olympics, CONCAF etc. (No DA just a pyramid of top to bottom leagues - with identification programs NTC, ODP, PDP etc) - Great College Programs and PlayersBoys: U14/15, U16/17, U18 U20 MNT - Struggle against third world countries. (DA Program pyramid with MLS teams) NOT WORKING USSF To me the DA will hurt what the girls have accomplished since the 90's - it provides the best female athletes to stick with the sport up until college. Boys fade and lose interest by High School. I hope all this DA talk for girls is for the better not for the worst.
I could care less about ecnl and do believe they have their issues too. All I'm saying is don't try and change the world of these girls for the 1 percent that ultimately make it and who reall want it. My daughter is the 1 percent now. Who knows what happens in the future, she could be one acl injury away from not playing or many other things can happen. I want my daughter to have a life outside of soccer and they won't allow it with the way want to run the show. This has nothing to do with protecting ecnl and again could less what league it is. I just want it to be a high level without owning my kids life.
Here is the good news folks, this won't effect our age group. They will be going into sophomore year at high school when the da starts and it will be a shit show first year out. If it works out, maybe junior year would be the best time to make the move, but you will be playing for a u18 team and your kid probably has already been committed to a school, or very close. Why would anyone want to go da at that point and lose out on last two years of HS to sit on a bench with 35 girls. And practice 4 days a week and travel to practice. What about senior year parties, forget it, she will have no life. And don't bother planning family vacations, there won't be any except when they decide it's time. Maybe, if she is in the top 1 percent in the country, not your state and the natl team is calling you. What will you gain at that point, a name to brag about to your friends?
11:45 That post might be the most honest post on here. The posters before you are making suggestions that because some of us are "too serious" about our daughters playing soccer, that we are taking away from them being a student and the chance to be with theirs peers. Almost all parents love seeing their child succeed in the multiple arena's they feel comfortable in. Success in school and building healthy relationships with their peers is paramount to anything they achieve in soccer. I can only speak for myself and not for the others on here, but I'm sure most of us let our daughters make the final decision on where they go (as long it meets our financial constraints). Some players are extremely driven and have a myopic type of focus, no different than a young musician or a child prodigy in school. Would we be so quick to criticize those parents also, or accept that the child may be gifted beyond his or her peers?PL Parent
They really should start the DA at U12 or U13 maybe U14 and add a year every year until they get to U18/19. Most of the best players at U15 today and above already have solid college offers, and the ones who don't may not want to leave teammates and coaches. This really only goes for clubs without a DA, as the ones who do will just move their ECNL rosters to the DA. I
How will clubs like MF and WC survive? I can see PDA getting a DA if they want and they could afford it, although it will be painful. I'm just not getting it, most of these clubs pay dearly for field and facilities and this cost money, big money. If the DA charges for the girls side and not the boys side, there will be hell to pay and lawsuits to follow. Soccer nut, tell us why it's okay to pay for girls and not the boys side? And if they do charge, why can they demand the same that they do on the boys side when it's free? Confused
we have decided to move to lacross, this soccer crap with the federation is a turn off. And it's easier to get a scholarship anyway.
Any timeline for when US Soccer will make their announcement about the DA roll-out?
Match Fit at its best. Holding private tryouts, offering spots to players for next year. Calling players from other clubs. Not telling anyone who is coaching. STAY AWAY from this Sh** Show
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